Warning!! Fake Yonex Seller in California!!

[bluejeff]

Hi, people, I would like to warn you if you are buying yonex racquets, (MP-77, MP-88, and MP-100 only), there is a big fake yonex seller in California.
This dude has sold many people many racquets........and the thing is you can not return the racquet to him.

He always claims that his racquets are real..........and once you return the racquet to him, he would all the sudden claim that you have returned a fake racquet to him in order to gain the refund, DUH!! Therefore, he will not give you the refund nor the racquet you return to him!!!
(this is not my case, this is the other buyer's case)

The thing is his racquets are so fake!! even the logo isn't right......and the length of the racquet isn't right........no mp bump........no engraved serial number......and many more...................

That's really smart crime though!! because if you return the evidence to the criminals, they will destroy the evidence and then you have nothing to back you up!!

I am not going to say the name of him, but people should watch out for that.
I am also on my process of contacing Yonex,Inc, and corrresponding companies.

Anyone who wants to see high quality of Fake Yonex MP-77 pictures should contact me. Since I have a Sony F707 with full accessories, I can take good pictures for sure.

The way I think this thread should belong to the market forum is because this is a sell/buy topic, but if I am wrong, Kwun, please forgive me and move this thread to the right place, thanks.

[kwun]

bluejeff,

sorry to hear that. love to see the pics of the fake racket. does it have a CH prefix by any chance?

i understand that you may not want to reveal the name of the seller, how about let us know if the seller sells through his own website or through ebay, etc?

[Winex West Can]

That's not going help us and actually includes all sellers in California. Can you be a little bit more specific (e.g. he sells on eBay or he has an online store or he is located in XXXX, etc)?

Actually I would suggest that you post pics of the fake racquet so that other posters know what to look for.

[trademark14]

the guy from ebay right? i thought his racquet were fake but werent sure. I almost buy from him also cus the auction ends pretty cheap. the only reason i didnt buy from him because he didnt provide acurate detail about his racquet. In his description for MP88, it said 2UG4, and there isnt a Yonex MP88 2U.

Lucky i had doubt about him. I'll just spill his ID....************

since you said he's scamming people, why not just say it so people will be aware

[bluejeff]

you got the name right:)

[bluejeff]

I will post the pictures later........it's kind of late now.......(3:30AM)
but here are the partial details I sent to Yonex USA, Inc. descirbing the condition:

Note: I bought the MP-77 (2U)

1. it's much shorter than my other yonex long racquet, but all MP-77 racquets are should be long and they should be the same length
2. the grip is thin and plastic, not the same feel as other Yonex racquets
3. it doesn't have the musclepower frame/bump on it
4. the color of the racquet cover(silver instead of gold letters of muscle power) isn't right and the material is different, it's cheap plastic again.
5. "CH" mark on the "shaft"; it should only appear on the handle in the serial part, not on shaft.
6. the logo of Yonex is different from my other racquet, it's copied logo with twisted lines/edges printed.
7. the cone of the handle is not straight, it's twisted.
8. the weight of this racquet is lighter than my 4U racquet, which is definetely a fake! (2U should always be heavier than 4U)
9. the serial number on the handle is printed, not engraved.

[bluejeff]

OK here are all the pics, I just can't sleep without this!!:mad: :mad:
Picture1:
Look at how bad the quality is on the carrying case

[bluejeff]

Picture2:
The top is my MP-88's true carrying case
The bottom one is the fake case with silver color only on lettering.

[bluejeff]

Picture3:
see how bad is the packaging of the handle
It's a loose plastic bag instead of a nice shink-wrap.

[bluejeff]

Picture4:
See the "CH" on the shaft?
that's fake!!
Also, notice the yonex logo on the handle, the two triangles are too far from the circles!!!
:mad: :mad:

[bluejeff]

Picture5:
See the "CH" logo printed on the handle? that's fake!!!
It shouldn't be there.

[bluejeff]

Picture6:
The serial number is nicely "printed" on the shaft, it's NOT ENGRAVED!!!
Fake!!
(Plus it's shinning glossory):mad:

[bluejeff]

Picture7:
top is my MP-88 with the Muscle Power String Bump
the bottom is the fake MP-77 without the String Bump
Fake!

[bluejeff]

Picture8:
Left: my MP-88
Right: fake MP-77 with fuzzy Yonex logo

[bluejeff]

Picture9:
see how sharp it is on the connection of the shaft and the handle?
It can actually cut my hand!!:mad: :mad:

[bluejeff]

Picture10:
It's much shorter than my MP-88!!
MP-77 should be the same length as MP-88!!

Top: Fake Yonex MP-77
Bottom: my MP-88

[bluejeff]

All right, that was quite a ride, now I can sleep well. :)

ToKwun:
Please let me know if you want more pictures from any angle you desire.

To People:
I make the pictures to be small size just to save the bandwidth for kwun, but if you want pictures in 2560x1920 in Tiff mode, let me know and I will send them to you
(if you really want 15mb/pic)

I did those pictures on my pink bed with my pillows, hope that's all right.

:o zzzZZZZ..........

[bigredlemon]

Originally posted by bluejeff
Picture3:
see how bad is the packaging of the handle
It's a loose plastic bag instead of a nice shink-wrap.
Of course it uses a different material.. it uses "TATANIUM" instead of "TITANIUM"--there's the problem! :p

[Neil Nicholls]

If you bought the racquet using eBay, you should inform eBay that there is a criminal operating on their site. You may end up getting a refund or some payment through their Fraud Protection Program.

You said that you were contacting Yonex and others, but didn't specifically mention eBay.

regards,.
Neil

[bluejeff]

In fact, I have contacted Paypal, Ebay, and Yonex USA, but the seller insisted that he is selling realy Yonex Racquets, and Ebay & Paypal people don't know Yonex Racquets that well.:mad:

Another thing is, the fraud program on Ebay cost $20, and you will not also get the shipping cost$15, so I will lose $35 if I use that program.

I'd rather dispute the credit via Citibank though:)

[bluejeff]

By the way, I didn't see that "Titanium" thing:p
Now that becomes the FakePoint#11.:)

Thanks! bigredlemon!!:) :)

[swijaya0101]

maybe you should inform the police in the location (if you are coming from the same city)

FYI, i heard from lots of my friends in Indonesia that Yonex is going to sue anyone found selling fake racket (in Indonesia) for around USD$110,000 ... maybe that should be the case in California.

[Cheung]

Originally posted by trademark14
Lucky i had doubt about him. I'll just spill his ID....************

since you said he's scamming people, why not just say it so people will be aware The name was edited because anyone can make accusations on a webforum. When names are written, there is a potential for libel. It'll be nice for BF to able to keep away from the lawyers.;)

[Cheung]

Originally posted by bluejeff
Picture4:
See the "CH" on the shaft?
that's fake!!
Also, notice the yonex logo on the handle, the two triangles are too far from the circles!!!
:mad: :mad:

Just to point out, Yonex sold in China have the suffix "CH". I seen many of these on a trip to China. Gong Zhi Chao's shop also sells Yonex racquets with this suffix. I'm not very much into racquet details but I doubt so many shops would sell the same variety of Yonex racquets which are fake.

Bluejeff, that's not to say I do not think your racquet is a fake. Just pointing out Yonex does have genuine racquets with the suffix "CH" on the shaft.

[Winex West Can]

Bluejeff,
Very sorry that you got scammed. Based on the pictures that you posted, the racquet is definitely fake. That is too bad since that seller actually managed to sell a lot of Yonex racquets via eBay. I noticed that there were only two complaints though. You should post your comments on his eBay account so that other buyers are more aware.

BTW, that person actually did not post actual pictures of the racquet but rather scanned catalogue pics. Since he is based in the US, Yonex US should be able to investigate and lay charges againsts the fellow. All they needed to do is follow their procedure which is to pose undercover and order a racquet from him and basically document the process via video (ie. video tape the opening of the shipment and verification process).

BTW, good pictures. Similar to the ones posted by Emjay who bought a fake MP99, also CH-designated but the YY logo is better.

[Stevick]

Hi all, I have got a MP100, but my muscle power bumps are not like the MP-88, or Mp-77, they are more similar to the fake ones you've shown, but dun think mine is a fake.

[bluejeff]

Stevick:
I suggest you find a Authorized Yonex Dealer and have him/she to inspect the racquet for you. I don't make any assumptions unless I see the real thing.

Cheung:
That CH on the shaft acutually isn't smooth as picture looks.
It's more like an ink printed letters:)

I can't inform police about this yet since the seller has no contact information nor mailing address,......it could be hard.

The seller is living at Los Angles, CA and I live in Columbus, OH, which is a very very long way.............

So, I have informed Yonex USA about this, and I am going to see what they are going to do.

[LazyBuddy]

bluejeff,

Clearly, this racket is a fake.

If u still has the "bar code", maybe u can send a copy to Yonex. I am sure they will have some use on that, if they decide to investigate such case. Also, see if the "bar code" matches with the invoice or not. Either yes or no, send a copy to Yonex, too. They might get some information as well.

[bluejeff]

the barcode of what? I am not understand this one.
Did you mean by the serial number on the handle? or the barcode on the wrap?

Anyway, I will let Yonex-USA & Ebay to handle this, since I am an individual and I guess the Police wont' believe me evne if I say this is a fake racquet. I have to have Yonex, Inc to back me up on this.

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by bluejeff
or the barcode on the wrap?


Barcode on the wrap. I think 1 of ur pics shows the bar code.

Check whether this bar code match with ur invoice or not. If yes, u have proof for "fake", if no, let Yonex check wether they were sell the real ones with that particular bar code to that guy or not.

[Cheung]

Yonex USA may have no power as the seller most likely is not a retail outlet.

[bluejeff]

I have also sent the information to Yonex Japan, just to let them know about this.

[badmint0nplaya]

this person.....is still selling now(on ebay i checked) i read...only 1 complain(on badminton rackets) all the other buyers didn't complain....but probably don't know they are fake.

[bluejeff]

Yes and No...............
He has sold about 40 MP100,88, and 77 on ebay already, and you guys can see how much feedback he has earned so far on this 40 sales.....less than 10 buyers has put the feedback.................

You may wonder why, why there are only so few people put the feedback..........
Here is the answer, he abuses the ebay feedback system, once you put a negative feedback on him, he will put a negative feedback to your accout as a revenge!:mad:
That's why I didn't bother putting up a feedback toward his account..............

For those people who put up a Positive feedback are probably Yonex Newbie......and they have probably not seen a realy Yonex before and therefore couldn't tell the difference.............

[trademark14]

Originally posted by bluejeff
Yes and No...............
He has sold about 40 MP100,88, and 77 on ebay already, and you guys can see how much feedback he has earned so far on this 40 sales.....less than 10 buyers has put the feedback.................

You may wonder why, why there are only so few people put the feedback..........
Here is the answer, he abuses the ebay feedback system, once you put a negative feedback on him, he will put a negative feedback to your accout as a revenge!:mad:
That's why I didn't bother putting up a feedback toward his account..............

For those people who put up a Positive feedback are probably Yonex Newbie......and they have probably not seen a realy Yonex before and therefore couldn't tell the difference.............

HAHA you're right...i never leave any negative feedback on anyobody account even i get a poor service or bad product because i dont want to get a negative feedback myself, for complaining.

[kwun]

bluejeff, thanks for the picture, they are very informative. looks like you have a genuine fake racket. sorry that you acquired it. but think about this way, now many more people will be more informed.

we now have two cases of fake Yonex racket with CH suffix on it. i have also seen another fake MP77 in real life before. so buyers beware.

the other fake racket was a MP99 described in this thread.

http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=83507#post83507

[Ernie]

sorry for leaving the original topic for a little bit...


I was trying to find who that guy was... and while i was checking out those badminton items on ebay.com, i have seen a couple of very cheap brand new top of the line Yonex rackets ...which are like...almost half of the original price usually sold in stores. Is there a way to make sure that those are real Yonex rackets? Can do you guys protect yourselves from being cheated?


(sorry...I am just an unexperienced online shopper...)

[bluejeff]

Kwun, do you think it is a good idea to move all of above pictures (and the fake Mp-99 pictures) to a certain section, such as Q&A, and that way, people can see the difference between the fake & real racquets without constantly starting new threads?

Just a suggestion..........:)

[kwun]

BJ,

yes. good idea. there are quite a lot of questions on fake rackets and there are a lot of info in the forum. i will see if i can have one page that links to them, or merge all of the threads into one.

[Neil Nicholls]

i never leave any negative feedback on anyobody account even i get a poor service or bad product because i dont want to get a negative feedback myself, for complaining.

and this is how bad sellers continue selling

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by bluejeff

You may wonder why, why there are only so few people put the feedback..........
Here is the answer, he abuses the ebay feedback system, once you put a negative feedback on him, he will put a negative feedback to your accout as a revenge!:mad:
That's why I didn't bother putting up a feedback toward his account..............

For those people who put up a Positive feedback are probably Yonex Newbie......and they have probably not seen a realy Yonex before and therefore couldn't tell the difference.............

That's very true. A lot of ppl were worried about the "neg. feedback", so, they just keep their mouth shut.

Here's another possibilities:

Fake transaction: He can ask his buddies (who might even be part of his business) to get into some "fake trasaction" with him and gave him very good feedback. This way, with solid "reputation" being established, he can trick newbies and making his claims (real yonex being sold, but the returned ones are fake to cheat for refund) more "trust worthy".

[swijaya0101]

at ebay, negative feedback can be removed with $$$$$$

as for LazyBuddy idea, i think it's quite costly ... as seller must pay for initial value + final bid value ... total is around 4-6%

maybe it would be better if buyer ask for the serial number of the racket that the seller is going to sell (i should do this the next time i put a racket on ebay :D) ... by doing this, you have a black and white proof when you are going to ask for refund :)

FYI, A friend of mine gave me a fake Yonex (he bought it from Johor, Malaysia) ... I am sure that you cant tell that this MP-100 is fake .... mongoose + modius have seen this racket ... and they dont believe the racket is fake until I told them.

Seriouslly .... the fake racket above is very easy to be detected ... the one that I have, is having a very good finish ... no defect ... everything is the same. However, when I open the grip (the rubber) ... I can see clearly that the wood is hollow at the center and is made from poor quality wood. When I strung the racket at 24lbs, the frame is leaning towards the left side ...

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by Ernie
sorry for leaving the original topic for a little bit...


I was trying to find who that guy was... and while i was checking out those badminton items on ebay.com, i have seen a couple of very cheap brand new top of the line Yonex rackets ...which are like...almost half of the original price usually sold in stores. Is there a way to make sure that those are real Yonex rackets? Can do you guys protect yourselves from being cheated?


(sorry...I am just an unexperienced online shopper...)

Errr... Since bluejeff did not metion the seller's name / ID, I don't think I should metion it either. However, with the information "Los Angles, CA", I think u can easily figure out who is person is, by "location".

As for online shopping, buyers might take relatively higher risk of being "cheated", since u can not see the actual goods before paying the bill. However, my suggestions are the following:

1. By from reputable dealers. Even though, their prices are not necessary be the cheapest, but u can guarantee for good services and good quality of product. The trust worthy dealers won't risk their reputation by selling fake stuff.

2. When u see unbelievable prices, think twice. Of course, it's always good to get the same product by saving 50%. However, u might think twice is that worth the risk. To somebody, maybe yes, but to others (including me), it could be no. Remember, online discount is not like the dept. coupon, if u don't like it, u still can return it. Ebay shopping most are "sold as it was", soooo, u know...

3. Save ur invoice, package, and the seller's ad. In case something happened, gathering as much proof as possible, and fight for ur rights. However, no guarantee to get ur $$$ back, and need a lot of time to deal with it.

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by swijaya0101

as for LazyBuddy idea, i think it's quite costly ... as seller must pay for initial value + final bid value ... total is around 4-6%



My idea is costly???

Sending a copy of the barcode (on wrap, as seen in pic) and a copy of invoice should not cost too much, right? :confused:

[swijaya0101]

I mean the following is costly ... :D


Fake transaction: He can ask his buddies (who might even be part of his business) to get into some "fake trasaction" with him and gave him very good feedback. This way, with solid "reputation" being established, he can trick newbies and making his claims (real yonex being sold, but the returned ones are fake to cheat for refund) more "trust worthy".

[LazyBuddy]

I see, i see...

However, if that's the normal business transaction (say, when he gets the fake rackets from his dealers, or distribute fake bulk orders to ppl like him), they can "help" each other just as a "bonus".

It's true that using ebay instead of directly using paypal might cost them a little bit more, but I am sure they can gain huge profit on the "fake" stuff. Plus, "good" reputation can be a good weapon and "proof" to argue with customers, who find out the rackets are fake. They can very easily create an image of "customer's fault" or at least "isolated case" with fairly small amount of money.

[Qidong]

Look like someone give him good ratings. How about contact the people who gave him good ratings and send them what to look for in a faked rackets?

[bluejeff]

Guess what?
I have contacted two ebayers who bought his racquets, and here is what happened:
(Names are shown as masked "xxxx" at the end)

lovejennyxxxxx: He returns the racquet and then, kexxxxxxxxxx refused the
refund because kexxxxxxxxxx said it's a fake return !
Think about this in terms of logic. Why do we want to do that? we don't get
any profit for that!! He got a negative feedback from kexxxxxxxxxx as a
revenge.

beyond7xx: He just recently contacted me and realized that the racquet is a
fake. However, he has already placed a positive feedback to kexxxxxxxxxx because he didn't it's a fake. Nowhe has already filed a fraud/dispute report to
Paypal and Ebay, too. We are emailing each other everyday about this issue
now.

bluejeffmo (myself): I called kexxxxxxxxxx this afternoon and he insisted on what he sent me is a real one. And the funny thing is, he even told me that he flied
to Japan for these racquets. However!! he doesn't have any proof nor
receipt!!! and the other thing is, the racquet itself, says "CH" on it, and
that's the country code for "China"!! You can never find any CH racqeuts in
Japan stores.

The seller insists on people are returning him fake items, so I need more people to support me. So, if you have bought the item from him, please contact me ASAP.

[Laurence]

Wow, I am really glad that BF members are finally speaking out!!!

However, I hope that members do not lose their confidence when buying on eBay as I have been selling GENUINE Yonex products on eBay over the last year. As a vendor, my sales have been severely and negatively affected because of this criminal. Actually, there are TWO sellers on eBay who sell fakes . . .

I know someone who bought a FAKE Yonex MP100 from the person in question on eBay. It is the same batch being sold in China for approx. US$40 each. At the same time, he did not leave the seller with negative feedback for fear of retaliation (receiving negative feedback) . . . sigh

Suggestions when buying on eBay:
1) Look at the feedback
2) Email the seller and ask questions (serial #, version, specs, etc...)
3) Ask if there is a return / exchange policy
4) Look at the photo to see if it is downloaded off Yonex web or if it is a photo of the actual item

[Qidong]

Actually if someone sells a brand new MP100 starting at 1 dollars and no reserved in ebay, there got to be something wrong. Even if it is not fake, I will really doubt if the racket is a stolen one.

[trademark14]

Originally posted by Qidong
Actually if someone sells a brand new MP100 starting at 1 dollars and no reserved in ebay, there got to be something wrong. Even if it is not fake, I will really doubt if the racket is a stolen one.

I dont think that is true at all. People on eBay sell starting at $1 because it cheaper to list on eBay.

Listing your item on eBay cost money. If you start your item at lower than $9.99, there will be a cheaper fee. There is a range for price for starting bid. And also eBay CHARGE you for having resevere price as well.

The main reason people start bid at $1 because it draws more bidder. It doesnt neccessary mean the price will end at a lower price than that of a higher starting bid. So far i sold all sort of electronic with starting bid at $1.

[Qidong]

Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone. But just cursious, I understand that if the final bid is 30 dollars for a MP100 and you didn't set any reserve, then you have to sell your rackets. You will end up losing money, or leave a bad mark in ebay. Is that true? It may be ok for a used racket. But for a brand new MP100, it is kind of risky.

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by Qidong
But just cursious, I understand that if the final bid is 30 dollars for a MP100 and you didn't set any reserve, then you have to sell your rackets. You will end up losing money, or leave a bad mark in ebay. Is that true?

The trick to prevent such lost is a "fake transaction". I am not encourage ppl to do that, but just heard this from a friend:

One person trying to sell some software package cost hundreds of $$$ in market. He forgot to set the "reserve price" (too much confidence, maybe), and found out the final bid is way much lower than he expected. To prevent the lose of profit, he asked his friend doing him a favor: bid for a little bit higher price at the last 5 min (i.e. current highest bid is $100, and his friend put $105, etc). Then, they claim finished such transaction via personal check. This way, even though the seller lost small amount of $$$ for posting, and % going to ebay, etc, but he prevented a big lose on his stuff.

I heard later on this person successfully sold his software by a much higher price days later (he has an unopened package, but did not specify in the 1st post). So, even though he lost several $$$ in the 1st try, and kinda "tricked" teh 1st buyer, but to protect his own profit, he did it very successfully with no "bad mark" gain.

[trademark14]

hmm...just letting people know how ebay work. nope, not offended...but yea you have to sell the item at whatever price it end if there isnt a resevere. but usually it doesnt end in a low price...people tend to bid last minute. most bid at the last 10 seconds. so far i have seen any new MP racquet ended for under $110.

[kwun]

that's the problem when dealing with almost anonymous sellers via mail. there is no proof that he sent you the wrong stuff. and with marketplaces like ebay, the seller has little to lose.

[bluejeff]

I am going to hunt him down at all cost anyway:mad:

But the first thing I am going to do is to unite all past buyers and then charge him.
Geez, pissed me off!!

The seller insists that he sent me the real product, and refuses to give me an address for return. He said that the one I have on hand is a fake (without I sending over)...............isn't that ridiculous??? How can he tell without looking at it?
Definetely cheating & lying..............!!!

By the way, thanks for all of the support. You guys are the best!!:)

[cooler]

The best policy is to buy from an authorized dealer. It may cost more at the beginning but in the long run, it cost less because u know u got the real thing, u get warranty, and prolly an exchange option too if u find it later u don't like it.

[n00b]

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:16:32 +0800 (CST)
From: "xxxxxxx /ÅËÉÙ»ª" <xxxxxxx> | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: xxxx@xxxxxx
CC:
Subject: price of MP77




I just supply MP77, MP99 and MP100, and all the prices are USD50.00/pc.

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> tell me the prices of ti-10, mp77, armortec 700

[kwun]

noob, what is the point of this message?




Originally posted by n00b
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:16:32 +0800 (CST)
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To: xxxx@xxxxxx
CC:
Subject: price of MP77




I just supply MP77, MP99 and MP100, and all the prices are USD50.00/pc.

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> tell me the prices of ti-10, mp77, armortec 700

[n00b]

i thought if you people were trying to spot this person selling fake racquets for $50, i got a similar mail from him when i asked him from the price of racquets. just to give him his email address for contact

[bluejeff]

wow
50/each?!

Geez!!

That probably means the cost of producing a fake is lower than $15................

[Cheung]

Originally posted by n00b
i thought if you people were trying to spot this person selling fake racquets for $50, i got a similar mail from him when i asked him from the price of racquets. just to give him his email address for contact check your pm ;)

[xsleepyaznb0ix]

hey
ive had some dealings with buying products on ebay. i never buy using paypal since i dont have a credit card so i use money orders. now reading all this ive found that using money order is safer in a sense that i have his home address or business address i can use to report incidents like this.

[bluejeff]

but the down side is, you are not protected from Ebay's fraud program if you are using money order.
Also, you can not dispute the transaction if you use Money order.

[swijaya0101]

qidong,

the racquets that ppl (including myself) put on ebay are for starting bid $1 are the one which can generate demand ... even if you make a lost, it wouldnt be much ... and i am sure most of the sellers are expecting this person to tell his/her other friends.

bluejeff,

you can try to do a charge-back with your credit card company ... if your credit card company is coming from a reputable bank, (eg. citibank, standardchartered, etc) they will investigate on the issue and surely they will refund your money if they found out that the seller is selling fake rackets. On top of that, the seller must pay additonal cost normally between USD$25-75.

[bluejeff]

swijaya0101:

yeah, I have already filed with Citibank, now i just need to fill out a report and mail it to them in order to get the refund processed. :)

To All:

I have kept on looking for past buyers........and so far I have more than 5 people confirmed that the racqeuts they received matches with my pictures.......they are all fake.........
Now I wonder what would ebay, Yonex, and credit card companies do..

[bigredlemon]

Originally posted by bluejeff
Now I wonder what would ebay, Yonex, and credit card companies do..
I'll tell you what they'll do...

http://www.wncftv.com/images/news/jail_bars.jpg

[bluejeff]

bigredlemon:
HAHAHA~~~~
that just cracked me up ~~~!!!!!

Anyway, good news everyone!!!!
After contacted Yonex Japan and Yonex USA last weekend be emailed, Now they started calling me and showing that they care about this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess this guy is going to earn free meals in jail !!!! good for him!!:D :D

[Winex West Can]

Originally posted by bluejeff
Yes and No...............
He has sold about 40 MP100,88, and 77 on ebay already, and you guys can see how much feedback he has earned so far on this 40 sales.....less than 10 buyers has put the feedback.................

You may wonder why, why there are only so few people put the feedback..........
Here is the answer, he abuses the ebay feedback system, once you put a negative feedback on him, he will put a negative feedback to your accout as a revenge!:mad:
That's why I didn't bother putting up a feedback toward his account..............

For those people who put up a Positive feedback are probably Yonex Newbie......and they have probably not seen a realy Yonex before and therefore couldn't tell the difference.............

I think you should post a feedback on his account. Right now, it only shows Lovexxxx being the only one. So what if he post a negative one against yours. If I see another buyer with similar comments (i.e. racquet is fake/rip off) for the same seller, that would trigger a warning alert. The seller's comment on Lovexxxxx's post was she was the only one and all the other buyers are fine with the purchase!

Actually, you should also talk to the other buyers too about posting similar comments as it will be hard to dispute multiple buyers as opposed to one buyer.

BTW, it is good that Yonex USA will be taking an interest in the case. As for the buyer's information, he is also registered for PayPal and that needed a confirmed address.

[Neil Nicholls]

Dfinately post negative feedback, leave no doubt about his activities, but do not be abusive.
Other eBayers must be warned not to buy from him.

Don't worry about getting negative feedback yourself, eBay will clean it up when they find out the truth.

[Neil Nicholls]

Definitely do it also. (curse those laptop keyboards)

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by bluejeff

Anyway, good news everyone!!!!
After contacted Yonex Japan and Yonex USA last weekend be emailed, Now they started calling me and showing that they care about this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Good for u.

I think with all the information on ebay and paypal, Yonex should be able to hunt down this guy easily. I really want to see what this guy's face expression, when he try to explain all his racket are "real" to the Yonex representatives.

Let's clean up this bad a$$ in ebay, and happy shopping online.

[Winex West Can]

...I have also e-mailed him expressing interest in his auctions but wanted to know details of the racquet and so far he has not responded.

[mosi99]

I also bought MP77 from this guy, and it looks a bit different than Bluejeff. I don't know much about racket so not sure if it is fake.
1. The cover is gold (not silver), and there is a 77 in there.
2.It says "Muscle Power 77 SP" in the shaft, instead of CH as shown in the picture.
3.The edges doesn't look rough as shown in Bluejeff's picture.

1 thing that concern me is that it is 2U and G3 grip. I checked at the Yonex.com and they don't have the G3 version (only G4), but I also read somewhere that MP77 has the light version or special version. I just wonder if mine is the special version (SP). Bluejeff, could you measure the length of you MP88? coz MP77 should be longer than the regular racket by 1cm (or so), and they should be the same length as MP88. any other clues to spot fake MP77? My closest Yonex dealer is about 3 hours driving from my town.

[LazyBuddy]

Mosi99,

Is that possible u post some pic about this racket?

1. A pic of head: we need the check the MP bump

2. A pic of shaft: we need to check the "MP77 SP"

3. A pic of the cone: try to show the 2 serial # (1 on the cone, 1 on the shaft, close to the cone)

4. A pic of the butt cap: logo

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by Winex West Can
...I have also e-mailed him expressing interest in his auctions but wanted to know details of the racquet and so far he has not responded.

lol..

maybe all ur questions are "right on the point"... He's scared that u r from Yonex US... :D

[mosi99]

I have been trying to take a good pictures, but they always look blur. I have a Canon S30 digital camera. Any suggestion on the setting? Using the 'auto' mode which I always use doesn't take a good picture on details. It sucks...

[LazyBuddy]

I have the same cam. And I think it's pretty good.

U can use some light color paper or sheets as background. Say, white or light blue, yellow something. Also, take the pic in a room with bright light, but make sure the light is not directly shine to the racket/background.

Also, u need to set the setting to be 640*480 and use maybe M1 or M2 in order to post on this site. Of course, the quality won't be great, but should be clear enough for us to exam the features.

[LazyBuddy]

Here's some pic I took using S30.

http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8628&highlight=8500

At that moment, I made a big mistake by using a "shinny" white paper (back of a calender) as the backgroup. I am sure the quality should be better if u use a white sheet or something.

However, even with that, u can clearly see the characters on the shaft.

[bluejeff]

Originally posted by mosi99
I also bought MP77 from this guy, and it looks a bit different than Bluejeff. I don't know much about racket so not sure if it is fake.
1. The cover is gold (not silver), and there is a 77 in there.
2.It says "Muscle Power 77 SP" in the shaft, instead of CH as shown in the picture.
3.The edges doesn't look rough as shown in Bluejeff's picture.

1 thing that concern me is that it is 2U and G3 grip. I checked at the Yonex.com and they don't have the G3 version (only G4), but I also read somewhere that MP77 has the light version or special version. I just wonder if mine is the special version (SP). Bluejeff, could you measure the length of you MP88? coz MP77 should be longer than the regular racket by 1cm (or so), and they should be the same length as MP88. any other clues to spot fake MP77? My closest Yonex dealer is about 3 hours driving from my town.

1. If it's all gold, it's a fake; the real one should have mixed gold and silver letters.
2. So, you have the SP version, huh? that would be LIE#12 from this seller then, because he told me all of his racquets are straight from Japan and they are all the same. Glad to know this!! :)

Try to take your pictures with some help from your chair, bed, pillows.......that's how I took mine. Also, I used a tripod, lens-hood, and filters. By the way, the camera I have is a Sony F707.

[bluejeff]

By the way, here are the dimensions in case anyone needs this:

MP-88 (real racquet): about 67.5cm
MP-77 (fake racquet): about 67.0cm

the fake one is 0.5 cm shorter than the real one.:mad:

[kwun]

mosi99,

SP simply means that it was sourced from southeast asia and not a US model. there is a chance that yours may be a genuine Yonex but not from the US. we will have to look at the pictures first.

G3 is ok, just means that the grip is larger, there are G3 models from Yonex. so that's not a conclusive indication it is a fake.

the cost of a genuine Yonex SP model is lower in Asia and provides similar/same performance. (to be debated... :) )

as for the digicam, try not to take the picture too close to the racket, stand back a foot or two, then you should get better quality shots.

[bigredlemon]

if this guy gets put away, i hope it'll act as sufficient discouragment to the others. But i wont be suprised if another one like him will pop up to take his place when (if) he gets locked away.

[cooler]

S30 is a decent dig. camera so it should have a macro (closeup) setting.

[bluejeff]

I have informed many past buyers, and now people started to know they received the fake ones!! :)

I have 7+ people on the list now, and this list is growing like a snowball!! (bigger and bigger)

If you a buyer of him and you are looking at this page, please email me asap.

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by cooler
S30 is a decent dig. camera so it should have a macro (closeup) setting.

Correct.

Use the button on the upper right corner, to adjust the zoom setting, too.

[mosi99]

I measured the length of mine, and it is actualy 66.5 cm. I think Bluejeff's measurement should be 1 cm shorter :)

Anyway, I'll try to take these pictures tonight. Lazybuddy, you suggested the background. Could you suggest on the camera setting? (manual mode, flash off, white balance, etc) that can give us decend details. i noticed if I use flash all I got is just a white picture/overexposed.:mad:

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by mosi99
Lazybuddy, you suggested the background. Could you suggest on the camera setting? (manual mode, flash off, white balance, etc) that can give us decend details. i noticed if I use flash all I got is just a white picture/overexposed.:mad:

I use "auto" setting.

To min. the size of the pic. I use 640*480 and M1 (or M2) for quality setting. I took my pics (links above) in my living room, under bright light (5 100watt light bulb). If ur background is good in reflecting light (i.e. shinny wooden floor), u might need to use a very light color (white, yellow, light blue, light pink, etc) sheet or something as ur backgroud.

Set ur zoom, and don't press the button too fast. Sometimes, it might take 1sec or 2 to let the cam adjust (auto, and wait for the little green block to cover ur main object) to the best performance.

[bluejeff]

Originally posted by mosi99
I measured the length of mine, and it is actualy 66.5 cm. I think Bluejeff's measurement should be 1 cm shorter :)

Anyway, I'll try to take these pictures tonight. Lazybuddy, you suggested the background. Could you suggest on the camera setting? (manual mode, flash off, white balance, etc) that can give us decend details. i noticed if I use flash all I got is just a white picture/overexposed.:mad:

That means the seller has two versions of fakes.
All MP long racquets should be 67.5 because it's long!!
66.5 is the normal length for normal racquets and yours is also a fake.

mosi99, if you don't believe me, ask anyone in here how long should the long racquet be, and people in here will tell you 67.4-67.5cm.

I got the the official dimensions from Yonex, too. If you are interested in.

[mosi99]

I am certainly interested in the official dimension from Yonex. That would be an absolute proof that what I got from that SOB is a fake. Okay, how do we take action on this?

[bluejeff]

Originally posted by mosi99
I am certainly interested in the official dimension from Yonex. That would be an absolute proof that what I got from that SOB is a fake. Okay, how do we take action on this?

Greetings, everyone.

Today, I would like to tell everyone that Yonex has officially asked me to send the racquet over to the Yonex-USA's headquarter locating in Torrance, California.

Once they have the evidence, the japanese rep there told me they are going to take it with the law. That is, a lawsuit:) !!

So, if you every doubt that you have received fake racquets from this seller, please visit www.yonex.com , there is a contact page with mailing address and phone number. Please send the racquet back (and the ebay's page as the proof of purchase) to them in order to support Yonex, Inc.

For more questions, please contact Yonex-USA via www.yonex.com, they response emails and phone calls very quickly.

PS: This is so cool! I got the moeny back and I also get to sue the guy!!:p
By the way, I don't know if Yonex is going to honor me a new racquet for being a good guy? :p :p (I hope so.......Let me pick.....Now I want a MP-99:p)

[TrunkZ69]

good job!! all your hard work is gonna pay off. i hope this guy frys for this one:D
as for the new racket, the mp99 is a good choice ;)

[LazyBuddy]

bluejeff,

Congrats!!!

Finally, ur rights is being protected. Even if they send another racket as bonus, I think u r 100% deserve it for all the hard work and braveness u put into this matter. Most important, u r the one trying to hunt down this crap, and clean up our e-business community.

I can't wait to see (if I ever get a chance), what that guy can "explain", when Yonex rep. search his stock, and discovered all the fake junks. Let him try him best to stay calm, and try to make the police believe all the rackets are real bah...

Hope u already pass on the message to the fellow buyers on ur list. I am sure, they deserve their rights and $$$ as well. Once all 7,8 rackets being presented in front of Yonex and that guy, let's see what is going to happen.

Guess this will teach that "cheater" a lesson, about never attampt to ripp ppl off, and think everyone out there besides him is stupid and has to shut up to avoid trouble.

btw, hmmm... can I get my hand on ur new MP99??? :D

[fizk1970]

hmm..I'm curious, how does someone make a fake racket? Not that I'm interested in this business, but if that guy sold 70 rackets then he must he having a small factory somewhere. Are there fake rackets available in Asia? May be he bought these rackets from somewhere else and selling it on ebay, real culprit may be someone else. Whatever it is, I'm glad bluejeff is pursuing this matter and others who bought fake racket from this guy should do the same. Good luck bluejeff, you deserve to get a MP 99.

[kwun]

it will be from some factory, my guess would be either China or Taiwan as there are many racket factories there and it will be easy to spin a few more with different paint job and then sell them to the public.

as for how this seller managed to get them, that'd be interesting to find out also.

[bluejeff]

Is there any member in this forum is a Law major or a lawyer?
I wonder what's the charge of selling fake products?:confused:

(Hope it's the electric chair :P )

[trademark14]

Yeah, im quite sure it'll be electric chair or lethal injection.

[cooler]

there's no better place on earth to sue someone than in the USA.

Beside, we came across a similar situation with racquetdoctor. I think Yonex found him and terminated his business.

http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2939&highlight=racquet+doctor

[cooler]

bluejeff, u mean u got your money back from ebay?
I thot the seller would had gotten the money from the sale before you initiated all this action. You mean ebay without the money for certain period of time after the sale?

[bluejeff]

I got the money back via Citibank (since I used the credit card).:)
But you can also get the money back via Ebay, too. It will just take longer (about 30-60 days).
Ebay offers the 100% fraud protection as banks, please visit:
www.ebay.com and click on "help" on the top.
Then, type in "fraud protection" in the search field, and follow the link it gives you.
:)

[mosi99]

ooohhhh, I just checked the ebay site and we have to file a complain within 30 days after purchase. Mine has been 60 days, and I just realized that it is fake from this forum now.:mad:

I did contacted Yonex USA, and they asked me to send them the racket if I want it to be inspected, and they will return the racket after that. They don't say anything about what action they want to take though.

About the racket dimension, I did measure my other racket (Pointfore brand) and the length is ~66.5 cm. So Bluejeff is right, my MP77 is the same length as regular racket. It is a fake!!!!

[bluejeff]

Originally posted by mosi99
ooohhhh, I just checked the ebay site and we have to file a complain within 30 days after purchase. Mine has been 60 days, and I just realized that it is fake from this forum now.:mad:

I did contacted Yonex USA, and they asked me to send them the racket if I want it to be inspected, and they will return the racket after that. They don't say anything about what action they want to take though.

About the racket dimension, I did measure my other racket (Pointfore brand) and the length is ~66.5 cm. So Bluejeff is right, my MP77 is the same length as regular racket. It is a fake!!!!

I think it's valid within 90 days, please check out this page
http://crs.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?crsstartpage
Good luck!! or you may try to contact the credit card company.

Yonex USA will only do one thing, drive that dude straight to jail!!

[Qidong]

Originally posted by kwun
it will be from some factory, my guess would be either China or Taiwan as there are many racket factories there and it will be easy to spin a few more with different paint job and then sell them to the public.

as for how this seller managed to get them, that'd be interesting to find out also.

So not just the seller, these factories need to be take care of also. Hope the Yonex company can also track down these factories. Otherwise they can find other sellers to sell rackets for them.

[Loser]

I am in Canada and bought one of these fake Yonex MP100 from probably the same eBay seller. Does anyone in Canada have the same problem???

I tried contacting the seller, but he does not return my emails.

The bastard broke my heart - MP100 with cheap wrapping, CH model, and serial numbers that aren't even engraved.

Does anyone have a contact for Yonex in Canada??? or can I go through Yonex USA?

Finally, what good will it do if Yonex will only inspect the racquet and send it back to me - I am PISSED because eBay should shut this guy down!!! This is FRAUD.

:mad:

[Winex West Can]

Originally posted by Loser
I am in Canada and bought one of these fake Yonex MP100 from probably the same eBay seller. Does anyone in Canada have the same problem???

I tried contacting the seller, but he does not return my emails.

The bastard broke my heart - MP100 with cheap wrapping, CH model, and serial numbers that aren't even engraved.

Does anyone have a contact for Yonex in Canada??? or can I go through Yonex USA?

Finally, what good will it do if Yonex will only inspect the racquet and send it back to me - I am PISSED because eBay should shut this guy down!!! This is FRAUD.

:mad:

Your best bet is Yonex USA since the seller lives in the States.

[swijaya0101]

loser,

to ebay, the seller will help them generating money ... i am sure yonex wont replace your racket, but i guess, they will try to track this guy down and fine this seller.

my suggestion is to email the matter to ebay again, and CC the email to the newspaper, television email address (i found this effective everytime i made a complain)

i believe most of the companies which produce the frame are coming from Taiwan (for better grade fake) and China (for poor grade fake) ...

[bluejeff]

Originally posted by Loser
I am in Canada and bought one of these fake Yonex MP100 from probably the same eBay seller. Does anyone in Canada have the same problem???

I tried contacting the seller, but he does not return my emails.

The bastard broke my heart - MP100 with cheap wrapping, CH model, and serial numbers that aren't even engraved.

Does anyone have a contact for Yonex in Canada??? or can I go through Yonex USA?

Finally, what good will it do if Yonex will only inspect the racquet and send it back to me - I am PISSED because eBay should shut this guy down!!! This is FRAUD.

:mad:

Loser, if the seller sold you the racquet is kevinxxxxxx from ebay, then yeah, it's the same person. Please email me your details, so that I can have you to be on the list. I am trying to unite us (buyers) to form a group to fight against the seller.

Also, when did you buy the racquet? You may try to call your credit card company to dispute the transaction. For more information, please look at the posts before, or you may email me for help.

[Winex West Can]

...noticed that the seller is no longer listing on eBay. He has probably gone underground although I noticed that there is now a new seller who has a number of Yonex racquets up for bid at really, really low prices.

Different location but uses pictures from Yonex website and a new eBay member since May 21st.

[TI-SP-SS dude]

I've been looking in Ebay, and i've just seen someone selling very cheap rackets.
His/Her user name on Ebay is grillhamilton
Check out these items:
MP100 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3613091114&category=2919
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613651338
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613651338
MP99 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3613108827&category=2919
MP88 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3613107947&category=2919
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613651512
Ti 10 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613111641

He also has other non-Yonex rackets on his auctions.

Notice that he has the wrong picture for the Mp99.
ANd, it's teh picture of teh mp99 and mp88 is the same.
Also...The pictures look like they were taken off some online store.

I also ran across someone trying to sell Mp99 and MP100 in a badminton forum a week ago. He used was selling both for only 50 dollars. And expressed clearly that he had an abundant amount in stock and was willing to sell right away. I e-mailed him and he e-mailed me back the next day. The next reply to him i asked for pictures and the serial number. And i havent heard of him since.

[cooler]

tisp ss , u should know that u get what u paid for, that's how a free market system work

[TI-SP-SS dude]

yes, it would seem perfectly normal if these were used rackets, however, they are brand new!

[bluejeff]

Here is the latest update about my fake racquet case
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1. The credit card company, Citibank, has reversed their attitude about this fraud and refused to give me money back. NOw, I know, Citibank, only cares about if the item arrives or not, they don't care about the quaility. So, even if I received the fake racquet, it is still a racquet and they are not going to do anything about it. This is a lie about their "100% online fruad protection policy", and I am telling you people, if you guys have a citibank card, this is what's gonna happen.

2. The seller, still no response, many of us buyers tried to contact him by both emails and phones.......no response......so I guess he is gone with a full pocket of case.

3. I have sent the racquet over to Yonex-USA last Friday, and now I really hope they can do something about it. Really really hope so......otherwise I just lose my money and time..........and still get nothing.......not a thing......................................:( :(

[LazyBuddy]

bluejeff,

Really feel sorry about the "citibank card" issue. These days, soooo many banks claim 100% protection or satisfaction, but could not back up their words when things happen. However, if u can settle down the Yonex case, maybe u can present the written proof (indicate u got a fake product) and test ur luck again.

This sucks...

[bluejeff]

well, the thing is, Citibank doesn't care if it's a fake racquet or a real racquet because it's a racquet !!

Also, they wanted me to return the item to the seller if I want to do the dispute. Now the problem is, the seller is already gone!! and there is no address on the shipping label and shipping box!! No receipt!! No information!! and I guess this is the hole of the security of Citibank!

[cooler]

sorry about the outcome bluejeff. Consider yourself lucky coz u still have a useable racket although a fake one. Also, i doubt yonex USA would give u a new racket for your effort, they dun want to start a new trend where people could trade in a fake for a real yonex. Would uncle sam give u a real greenback for a fake one in return?
Citibank is not an expert in merchandising, so it is your word against the seller, therefore even steven in their eyes, therefore, no action taken. Of course, u can sue the seller in small claim court, but this will cost u equivalent of many many real yonex rackets and playing time :(

[bigredlemon]

you could always sue Citibank for misrepresentation *or* breach of contract. The cost of filling a claim will probably be about as much as what you paid for the racquet but at least you'll have interesting story to tell your friends. :)

I'd pay $50 for a story like that!

[Winex West Can]

Originally posted by Winex West Can
...noticed that the seller is no longer listing on eBay. He has probably gone underground although I noticed that there is now a new seller who has a number of Yonex racquets up for bid at really, really low prices.

Different location but uses pictures from Yonex website and a new eBay member since May 21st.

Hmmm...after this post, the new seller now list his auctions with a pic. taken with a digital cam.

Pic wasn't close enough to tell whether racquet is fake or not but the thermal bag shown is suspect as I don't think Yonex would identify the model number on the bag itself.

Can someone who has a normal MP99 bag verify?

[jsunsun]

For those who knows the details of a mp99, the picture that Winex West put up doesn't even have the proper number of black protruding bumps(whatever those are called) on the frame near the "T" area (~5 and 7 O'clock). From the picture, looks like it has only 1 or 2 bumps on each side, while my mp99 has 4 on each side.

[chungg]

Originally posted by TI-SP-SS dude
I've been looking in Ebay, and i've just seen someone selling very cheap rackets.
His/Her user name on Ebay is grillhamilton
Check out these items:
MP100 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3613091114&category=2919
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613651338
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613651338
MP99 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3613108827&category=2919
MP88 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3613107947&category=2919
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613651512
Ti 10 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2919&item=3613111641

He also has other non-Yonex rackets on his auctions.

Notice that he has the wrong picture for the Mp99.
ANd, it's teh picture of teh mp99 and mp88 is the same.
Also...The pictures look like they were taken off some online store.

I also ran across someone trying to sell Mp99 and MP100 in a badminton forum a week ago. He used was selling both for only 50 dollars. And expressed clearly that he had an abundant amount in stock and was willing to sell right away. I e-mailed him and he e-mailed me back the next day. The next reply to him i asked for pictures and the serial number. And i havent heard of him since.



It seems this guy keeps selling his raquets on ebay, the interesting thing is, his pics of mp100, mp99, and mp88 are all the same! And his description of mp88 is a 2U raquet! I would really like to know how he could prove he's selling a genius 2U mp88:p Also, looking into his bidding history, you will find usually his bidder are those without any feedback or only one feedback, one of his winner's only feedback even comes from him. I think we should watch out this guy too.

[Laurence]

. . . The problem with eBay is that they have inadequate protection for the Buyer

Any Joe Blow can go on eBay, list 10 fake Yonex racquets for sale . . . make a quick $1000 and do it again with another ID!

These fly-by-night sellers are extremely difficult to prosecute, unless Yonex actually gets involved. Questionable if they will.

eBay should do MORE to protect buyers and sellers of legitimate goods. Requiring sellers to leave a deposit would be a start, or limiting the number of items that can be auctioned at once from a seller is another suggestion.

Truth of the matter is, eBay is a business, and the more people sell - whether it is genuine or not - they still make money!

[swijaya0101]

absolutely agree with Laurence ...

Laurence, i thought every sellers are required to provide their credit card? Shouldnt that be enough? :p

[reenignelivic]

I think ebay is established to be a place buyers can get stuff at a lower price than the retail stores. If ebay does alot to protect the buyers, the sellers are not willing to sell their stuff at low price any more....

If you bid stuff at ebay, you are paying less for more possible risk...

Buy your racket from a STAR ebay seller or buy it from a retail store guys...

[bluejeff]

I have a MP-99 .... and the bag is not like that!!
(the bag is the regular mp bag as my mp-88)

[bigredlemon]

Originally posted by reenignelivic
I think ebay is established to be a place buyers can get stuff at a lower price than the retail stores. If ebay does alot to protect the buyers, the sellers are not willing to sell their stuff at low price any more....

If you bid stuff at ebay, you are paying less for more possible risk...

Buy your racket from a STAR ebay seller or buy it from a retail store guys... ebay was established for rare collectors to trade. That's what the guy who founded it said in his autobiography. He explcitily mentions that it was designed with counterfeiters in mind, since fakes are very common for the kind of stuff he was trading. It certainly was designed to promote fraud.

[reenignelivic]

Originally posted by BRL:
ebay was established for rare collectors to trade. That's what the guy who founded it said in his autobiography. He explcitily mentions that it was designed with counterfeiters in mind, since fakes are very common for the kind of stuff he was trading. It certainly was designed to promote fraud

Thx BRL. Good to know ebay promoted fraud originally. (Maybe still doing it =P)

[bigredlemon]

Originally posted by reenignelivic
Thx BRL. Good to know ebay promoted fraud originally. (Maybe still doing it =P) "wasn't" :p

[Laurence]

He's ba-a-a-c-c-c-k-k-k!!!!

For all of you who want to get revenge:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3615068506&category=2919


Yes, he's back and obviously he is not scared . . .

[badmint0nplaya]

hrmmm//maybe him and the other sell grillham** i 4got how 2 spell it r like partners in fraud crimes..lol...oh well..lets see what will happen now.

[LazyBuddy]

Well, seems more newbies fell into his trap. The sad thing is, they also seems very happy about the purchases.

Wonder what they will feel, after "bluejeff" updates his list, and start to contact them... :(

[bambini]

selling price for fake yonex in manila is Php1500 or US$30. the mp77 in question is a fake. before buying expensive yonex rackets, as for tips on spotting a fake.

[Winex West Can]

Looks like there is another fake MP100 up for bid and based on the seller's description, I don't think he knew that the racquet is fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3615543533&category=2919

Check out the logo on the butt cap.

[cooler]

lousy stringing job too, turning an isometric frame into an oval.

[bambini]

only a fool can be victimized by this FOOL! stop that crap man! do you believe in karma?

[SONGBOY]

Originally posted by Winex West Can
Looks like there is another fake MP100 up for bid and based on the seller's description, I don't think he knew that the racquet is fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3615543533&category=2919

Check out the logo on the butt cap.

YES. IT's fake racket.
because it's old logo model buttom the cap.

[bluejeff]

Sigh......It's hard to take the seller down due to lack of support of past buyers.......
I am afraid that he might be able to continue his business of selling fake Yonex racquets to people...............

[reenignelivic]

Looks like to me it is hard to prove that the racket he is selling is fake since he can always argue that he send you the real one but you use a fake one to get money back.

I have an idea to scare this seller away. Whenever this guy selling racket on ebay, you win the bid with all cost. Then, report to ebay that you believe the pictures that seller posts showing the racket is fake. Of course, you shouldn't pay for the racket if it is fake. Most importantly, no one will be cheated cause you are the highest bidder.

I don't know what ebay would respond to your action, however...

[Pointfore.Ca]

Not sure if this would be an option either, but it would be interesting. Win a racquet and have them ship it directly to Yonex USA for them to look at. This way Yonex may want to get involved, if they care enough at least. And this way you will never have touched the racquet so the seller cannot claim that you've switched the racquet.

I'm so glad that no one copies Pointfore racquets! :D

[bigredlemon]

But how would you convince him to ship to "Yonex HQ"?
:p

[Pointfore.Ca]

Errr, well you just put in the address of Yonex USA... He probably doesn't know where it is... because I definitely don't. :)

[Winex West Can]

I don't about you guys but I filed a complaint with eBay regarding the three sellers involved (g****, k****, t****). Don't know if they will investigate along with Yonex since I mentioned that they (eBay) might want to get Yonex USA involved to do the determination.

[bluejeff]

I have contacted Ebay about this issue for months.....and obviously they don't care about this.........they just wanted me to contact the seller and solve this problem by ourselve.......

And Yonex-USA hasn't contact me yet........not sure what they are going to do.......I have already sent my fake racquet to them for 3 weeks ago.

[bluejeff]

Oh my GOD!
The seller has been nailed!! Finally!!!
Ebay has kicked him out of business!!
YES~!!!

[cooler]

Originally posted by bluejeff
Oh my GOD!
The seller has been nailed!! Finally!!!
Ebay has kicked him out of business!!
YES~!!!

how can u be sure because he or they can sell under different name and address months later.

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by cooler
how can u be sure because he or they can sell under different name and address months later.

I agree.

However, that's all ebay can do. Some action is always better than none. Just hopefully, this seller will be scared away, or run out of address very soon. :D

[racketguy]

Hi badminton fans at Badminton central!! I'm new here at badminton central forum. Two months ago, I bid on Ebay for a MP100 racket and found out that it was a fake MP-100 CH. The moment I hold the racket, I can tell right away it's a fake one because I have another MP-100. Doing the comparison I found out that:

1) The plastic wrap on the handle have the word "TATANUM" instead of Yonex. I don't think Yonex is that stupid to miss-spell their name wrong since it's their trademark.
2) The racket is a little bit shorter than regular MP-100.
3) It's MP-100 CH instead of MP100.
4) The serial number is painted rather than engraved on the shaft.
5) The grip is a piece of loudsy plastic rather than the cushion feeling of Yonex.
6) The seller's name is discussing around BF with KeXXXXXX. He is even asking me to post his feedback.

So watch out when you guys want to bid on Ebay.

BTW, My brother recently sent me some Yonex MP-77 from Malaysia, and they are authentic Yonex MP-77 SP (2U/G5). I play badminton 3-4 times a week at Sunnyvale Community Center in Sunnyvale, CA. I'm selling it for $100 with BG-85 string. Let me know if anybody wants it. I can send the pictures and Serial Number of the racket.

:rolleyes:

[b4dminton]

Hey bluejeff,

I read you were trying to contact yonex inc. about the fake rackets going around. What is the company's word on this? Can they provide some refund or something?

[bluejeff]

Hey bluejeff,

I read you were trying to contact yonex inc. about the fake rackets going around. What is the company's word on this? Can they provide some refund or something?
They said they will do their best to catch the fake sellers, and that's it.

Refund? No, I don't think so, because it's not their fault at all. They didn't sell the fakes, so they shouldn't and they don't need to do that.

[whitedude2020]

i were writing a seller on ebay,i asked him about the authenticy of his racquet. He mentioned that the real ones have metal t-joint. A fake one won’t have that. IF you
X-RAY it, you would be able to see the metal t-joint i guess.
Have anybody heard about that??


here is the letter he wrote me:
I gaurantee my racket authenticity.As long as you haven’t taken the plastic wrap off, or string it, you can always send it back to me.That will give you a peace of mind to buy one from me.Now, to answer the question, my racket is authentic, otherwise I wouldn’t guarantee it.
One of my customer talked to a service shop in San Diego and a personnel there said it’s fake.She checked with Yonex Japan, and it turns out that my racket is authentic.My other customer took my racket to a dentist to have it X-RAY!!My racket has metal t-joint. A fake one won’t have that.



Beside, I’m selling more than 300 rackets already, and a lot of my customer were local who came to pick it up.

They also had access to authentic Yonex dealer, so I wouldn’t last this long, should I sell a fake ones.



But like I said at the beginning, I guarantee it, and as long as you didn’t do anything to it (take plastic wrap off, string it) , you can always send it back to me for full refund.

[kwun]

search, please?

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19141&highlight=ray+joint

[Xuser]

Just my 2 cents here. Seems like Yonex and ebay are not or cannot take any action. The best defence is the best offence: Be an educated buyer.

[bluejeff]

Just my 2 cents here. Seems like Yonex and ebay are not or cannot take any action. The best defence is the best offence: Be an educated buyer.
Well, I have emailed Yonex, Inc about this fake thing going around, however, Yonex is not participating the Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) Program, so no one is nailing those fake sellers out.

Here is a list of companies in the VeRO, meaning that they can nail anyone out and they can request user's info for the legal actions. I am sure the situation will be much better if Yonex is in the VeRO, but too bad they don't want to participate.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html

[whitedude2020]

does anybody know how much the wholesale price is on the yonex at800 is. If an ebayer can sell the real racquet on ebay for $135, how much is he paying for it and how.

In order to purshase yonex racquets at wholesale price, dont one need to have permission from yonex. I heard that it is hard to obtain that license from them.

If somebody could find out the wholesale price we could sort out the fake ones on ebay since they wouldnt be selling under that price unless it would be stolen from somewhere
just a thought

[LazyBuddy]

does anybody know how much the wholesale price is on the yonex at800 is. If an ebayer can sell the real racquet on ebay for $135, how much is he paying for it and how.

In order to purshase yonex racquets at wholesale price, dont one need to have permission from yonex. I heard that it is hard to obtain that license from them.

If somebody could find out the wholesale price we could sort out the fake ones on ebay since they wouldnt be selling under that price unless it would be stolen from somewhere
just a thought

The price (wholesale or retail) is different everywhere. Therefore, such "reference" is not very accurate.

[whitedude2020]

does anybody know any ebay sellers who sells fake racquets?

if anyone have recieved fake racquets so they know the sellers are fake 100% we could get back at them buy contacting bidders on the fake racquets, that way the sellers would not sell as many fake racquets

[bluejeff]

does anybody know any ebay sellers who sells fake racquets?

if anyone have recieved fake racquets so they know the sellers are fake 100% we could get back at them buy contacting bidders on the fake racquets, that way the sellers would not sell as many fake racquets
Obviously you didn't read the "ebay auction watch" thread:rolleyes: , which is a sticky thread in RED inside this section of the forum.

[david14700]

Hi Bluejeff

I noticed that it's been about six months since you contacted Yonex regarding fake rackets. What was their final word on the matter? Did they actually say that they couldn't (or wouldn't) do anything about it?

Here in Europe there seems to be a similar problem, but in countries like the UK, it's even bigger because there are more players. I'm wondering if it's worth my time to bring this up with Yonex Europe.

David

[bluejeff]

Hi Bluejeff

I noticed that it's been about six months since you contacted Yonex regarding fake rackets. What was their final word on the matter? Did they actually say that they couldn't (or wouldn't) do anything about it?

Here in Europe there seems to be a similar problem, but in countries like the UK, it's even bigger because there are more players. I'm wondering if it's worth my time to bring this up with Yonex Europe.

David
Well, they only told me that they will acknowledge that, but I think it would be nice to notify them again. As there are more people telling them the same thing, the better chance they will react on this issue.