Chandra & Sigit will 'divorce'

[jkusmanto]

This is the lastest news from PBSI.

Chandra will play with Halim in Singapore Open and Indonesia Open.
Meanwhile Sigit has no partner yet.

According to one of PBSI directors, the reason is because PBSI has a short of double player. So PBSI trys to break Chandra-Sigit to make a new pairs.
The director also said that Chandra has a very good result when he played with Tony and also very good with Sigit. So Chandra can also play his best with Halim.
For Sigit, they try to look for another player.

What a news. :eek:

[whizkelv]

How old are these 3 players?
Why split Chandra-Sigit?
Wny pair Sigit with the youngster instead of Halim?:confused:

[jkusmanto]

I just red the news from to day Kompas daily.

But in Indonesian.

Here is the news (http://www.kompas.com/kompas-cetak/0308/01/or/466418.htm)

I will look for the English one.

[Qidong]

Originally posted by whizkelv
How old are these 3 players?
Why split Chandra-Sigit?
Wny pair Sigit with the youngster instead of Halim?:confused:

Both Chandra and Sigit are 28. Look at the WC. Only Chandra/Sigit and Sony are left in the quarterfinal. I think they start worrying about the next TC.

[AKFT]

Seems like they are giving up the bird in hand for the 2 in the bush.:confused:

[yowkee]

According to one of PBSI directors, the reason is because PBSI has a short of double player. So PBSI trys to break Chandra-Sigit to make a new pairs.


It doesn't sounds like a valid point to split them. Chandra is a very talented double player (as Kim of Korea). The other talented indon player is Tony. They could partner others (Chandra/Sigit, Tony/Halim) to form very strong pair, and IMO, Chandra/Tony is the strongest MD pair.

But Tony choose to retire and leave. PBSI had no choice but keep trying to form 2 competitive double pair. But it isn't sound good to split Chandra/Sigit, Chandra could still play very well with others like Halim, but not Sigit.

Men's double world is in transition now. Kim/Ha, Lee/Yoo and Chandra/Sigit are aging. But the younger pairs didn't catch up yet. May be Chinese youngers would be the next to rule MD?

[Cheung]

Why can't Trikus play more men's doubles?

[sayakeren]

That's so sad to see such a great team has to be set apart because of lack of players. I'm really hoping that Sigit will get a good partner, because otherwise he's in danger of not being able to participate in Indo open since the deadline for registration is July 31st!

Anyone knows whether Sigit has got any partner? Or is he out of the competition because of no partner?

[whizkelv]

This appears more like a political move within PBSI.
While Chandra is the most skillful of the trio, both Sigit and Halim are equally good. I would term this as a sacrifice of Sigit for Halim.
The coach would rather to let Sigit without a partner than Halim.

[SmashingBird]

That IMHO is gay, sigit is the most electrifying player and most entertaining player to watch in the circuit...leaving him without a partner is unfair:mad:

[kwun]

there are actually some history to it. be your own judge whether it is fair or not after you've learned all the history.

Candra/Sigit was a pair back long time, in fact, they were the 1997 World Champions. at that time, i think Tony Gunawan was Halim's partner.

however, after the 1997 WC. Sigit was banned for drug for i think two years. as a result, the Indonesian coaches put Candra and Tony together and Halim was left without a partner for the duration of the ban, and i think it was around 2 yrs.

after Sigit finished serving his ban, Halim was partnering with Sigit, however, there are some fundamental imcompatibilities in their style so Sigit and Halim never got very far in tournaments.

after Tony/Candra won the Olympics, Candra / Sigit decided that they want to play together because they are good friends. so Halim then had no choice but to play with Tony. and it turned out that they are a great pair and have won the AE as well.

then the unthinkable happens, Tony decided to retire and play for the US. Halim once again is left without a partner. so we are now seeing him playing with Trikus. but Trikus' main game is mixed and while they had some results, they haven't been exactly great. i actually haven't see Halim's name for a while, i wonder if he is still active or just hanging around doing nothing.

so poor Halim, he is always the one who is left without a partner. perhaps this move by PBSI is to make up for those...

[sayakeren]

Hi guys, I tried to translate the news into English. I hope it helps.

Candra Will Play with Halim

Batam, Kompas - Sigit Budiarto is not registered as Candra Wijaya’s partner in two upcoming badminton tournaments: Singapore Open and Indonesia Open, which will be commenced in August 18. In these two tournaments Candra has been listed to partner with Halim Haryanto, while Sigit’s partner has not yet been decided.

The vice president of PBSI (Indonesian Badminton Association), Indra Kartasasmita, commented that the split of Candra dan Sigit, who won in this year’s All England, is to make a trial on having a new men’s double formation. "Halim (since Tony retired from the Indonesian national team in the end of 2001) has never had a stable partner, so we need to give a chance to him. Meanwhile, Candra had had a good record when he was partnered to Tony Gunawan and to Sigit. So, we’d like to see how will it go if Candra and Halim are partnered,” justified Indra, Saturday (31/7).

The limited number of men double players in PBSI (only five of them) has led to reformation, which often brings victims, and now Sigit is. Without a partner, Sigit is in danger of not being able to participate in Sanyo Indonesia Open, which will be conducted in Batam Island, 26-31 August, after the Singapore Open (18-24 August).

“If in 5 days Sigit still has no partner, it means that he’s not going to play in Indonesia Open since players’ names must be registered to IBF by Thursday, August 31," said the Chairman of Sanyo Indonesia Open, along with Chris Triwinasis, the Public Relations Director of Indonesia Open, in a pers conference located in Batam.

[jkusmanto]

Sayakeren or kamukeren ;)
Thanks and terima kasih

[sayakeren]

Makasih kembali, jkusmanto. I just thought that it's gonna be more fun for all of us to discuss the news from the same understanding of the issue :).

From the news, Kwun's right. I think PBSI pities Halim for not playing in such a long time while he's actually in the top board of Indonesian team.

[jkusmanto]

Originally posted by sayakeren
........... I just thought that it's gonna be more fun for all of us to discuss the news from the same understanding of the issue :).

Absolute, Sayakeren.
I have looked for the news in English, but unfortunately I couldn't find it.



From the news, Kwun's right. I think PBSI pities Halim for not playing in such a long time while he's actually in the top board of Indonesian team.

I think the decision of PBSI is not goed for Sigit. Especially if Sigit (with Chandera) win the world title.

I am wondering, why PBSI not try to pair Halim with Trikus, like in TC.:confused:

[SmashingBird]

actually i knew about all the history of sigit/candra and tony/halim switching partners and all but i never knew they were FORCED to played with different players, i thought they CHOSE to play with whom ever they wanted, but i know, and yes indeed it is very unfair for halim but spliting candra/sigit up at this stage of their careers seem kinda weird cause they are both quite old and probably wont play much longer, this WC might be the last time we see them together:mad:

[sayakeren]

Originally posted by SmashingBird
actually i knew about all the history of sigit/candra and tony/halim switching partners and all but i never knew they were FORCED to played with different players, i thought they CHOSE to play with whom ever they wanted, but i know, and yes indeed it is very unfair for halim but spliting candra/sigit up at this stage of their careers seem kinda weird cause they are both quite old and probably wont play much longer, this WC might be the last time we see them together:mad:

Well, let's see then. I supposed that Sigit still has a chance to play with Chandra again if Chandra/Halim doesn't make a better match than Chandra/Sigit. I'm just wondering whether PBSI has got another partner for Sigit.....

[kwun]

we are in the Olympic qualifying period. i think it is quite risky for PBSI to be playing musical chairs with the players. so what happens if after the Sing/Malay/Indo open that Candra/Halim is a complete disaster?

[sayakeren]

Originally posted by kwun
we are in the Olympic qualifying period. i think it is quite risky for PBSI to be playing musical chairs with the players. so what happens if after the Sing/Malay/Indo open that Candra/Halim is a complete disaster?

I also can't understand why PBSI decided to do so. IMHO, Halim was doing quite well with Tri Kush in the past, although not a bombastic one. I presume they can do better than that if they are being given more time.

Kwun, answering your question whether Halim is still around, yes he is. His last participation was in Korea Open. Ever since he was separated from Tri Kush, he was partnered to Yulianto Alven in Korea and Japan Open, but the result were poor. Maybe that's why PBSI tried another luck by partnering Alven with Luluk in WC, while leaving Halim unpartnered (again).

IMO, Candra/Sigit shouldn't be separated since they are in their top position currently. While for Halim, I hope he can get another good partner soon so that he doesn't have to 'steal' Candra from Sigit. Otherwise, I'd love to see Halim and Tri Kush to play together again.

[dlp]

I thought Sigit really struggled in the mens semi for the first half of the match, if the chinese pair hadn't froze a bit and made many errors at a game and 8-2 up they would have won. As usual Sigit had his arm heavily taped and seemed to only play hard in bursts when he needed to, so perhaps he is not looking to play long term???

[sayakeren]

Originally posted by kwun
we are in the Olympic qualifying period. i think it is quite risky for PBSI to be playing musical chairs with the players. so what happens if after the Sing/Malay/Indo open that Candra/Halim is a complete disaster?

PBSI will play another musical chairs, I reckon. If PBSI can play that game in such a short period to Candra/Sigit, why can't they do the same thing in the future if they see Candra/Halim is a disaster?

Anyway, I put faith on Candra. He's been so flexible playing with different partners.

[mongoose]

I was hoping that they will split Candra and Sigit up to partner younger and up-and-coming players to groom them.
Just like the way they partnered Tony Gunawan with Rexy Mainaky in the Thomas Cup just before Rexy retired.
See how Tony's game improved dramatically after that!
IMO they should forget about short-term gains and go for the long-term goal of developing young doubles pairs instead.
Its sad to see Indo men's doubles coming to such a state... :(

[Cheung]

I think dlp has touched on a good point. Sigit seems to have a lot of injuries. He may not last till the Olympics.

As for the points thing if Candra/Halim doens't work out, the closing date for entries of the two tournaments are after the WC.

So if Candra/Sigit had done badly in the WC, the entries could have been changed.
Now that they have done well and will gain a lot of ranking points, that gives PBSI even more leeway to experiment with a Chandra/Halim combo. If Halim does badly in the two forthcoming tournaments, then Sigit will be back (after having a little more rest as well). Candra will be match fit.

If the Candra/Halim combo well, then the partnership will be continued. The way I see it, Candra will at least get to the Olympics with either one or the other. If he parters only one person (and doesn't do well), then Indonesia may not even get a pair into the Olympics. By having two partners, PBSI will be able to 'choose' which pair will offer the best chance of getting into the Olympics.

And are Eng Hian/Flandy really going back to PBSI??

[yowkee]

It is confirmed that Chandra would "divorce" with Sigit. And surprisingly, according to this Malaysian Chinese news article (http://sports.sinchew-i.com/content.phtml?sec=3&artid=200308080080) (note: in mandarin), the split might be suggested by Chandra?! Sigit only knew about it before WC final, and he is informed by Indonesia media. What a cruel news to him!

Any latest news from PBSI?

[sayakeren]

http://www.kompas.com/olahraga/news/0308/06/172223.htm --> In Indonesian.

I'll be back ASAP for the English translation.

[Kaffie]

Hmm...so it was Candra who initiated the divorce. :(
And Sigit will not be coming to the Singapore Open.

[swijaya0101]

actually, this is not new ....

last year, chandra has ever complained to PBSI regarding sigit.

[sayakeren]

Hope this helps. My impression when reading this news: Sigit has been very patient in handling this issue, yet he still feel that it's unfair for him.

Jakarta, KCM

Indonesian badminton players, Sigit Budiarto admitted that he cannot understand why he’s being split from Candra Wijaya.

Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto, the Indonesian men’s double badminton player who won in WC 1997, were declared to be split while they were just proceeding to the final round of Birmingham’s WC.

It seems that their participation in WC 2003 was their last performance as partners. Soon after the final round had concluded, these partners were told that they will not play together anymore. According to Sigit Budiarto, he was being informed about the decision by the head coach – Christian Hadinata, the double’s coach – Herry IP, and Candra Wijaya. “I had just realised that the decision came from Candra himself. He didn’t tell me anything about it before,” Sigit said.

Sigit revealed that he doesn’t know anything about this internal decision of PBSI, even more about Candra’s personal request. “I didn’t know anything about it before the WC. I knew it from the mass media when we’re already half-way in the tournament,” he said.

Apparently, this news had pushed Sigit to play at his best in the tournament to prove that he’s still a competent player. He played fiercely and made it to the final by beating the Chinese team in the semi final round with such a hard effort. “In the final, I played at my utmost, but I was confused by our weak defence. More, they could turn off our hits easily,” Sigit said.

At that time Sigit started to realise that there’s something wrong with their play in the court. In the third set when the score was 10-14 for the Danish’s advantage, he pumped his mettle to chase the opponent until they were able to reach 13-14. However, the mistake they did had cleared the way for the Danish to win the title of world champions. Sigit confessed that he was injured when he fell down in the third set. “I don’t want to be accused as looking for excuses. But soon after receiving the medal, I could hardly walk,” Sigit revealed.

In such condition he received the official tidings from his coach about his split with Candra.

Sigit was even more disappointed when he knew he was registered to the Singapore and Indonesia Open with no one listed as his partner. Meanwhile, Candra Wijaya has easily got Halim Heryanto, who hasn’t got any partner yet since Tony Gunawan left to the US, as his partner. “Playing doubles is not that easy. We can’t set partners for doubles just like that because we also have to know our partner’s characters,” Sigit commented sorely.

Sigit refused the rumour about his laziness to practice in PBSI. “I only know badminton in my life, how can I be lazy about it? If people said so, from what perspective do you see it considering that different people have different characters?” Sigit argued.

He only hopes that PBSI will be more overt on this issue. He refers to any issue in general, including those about the player’s earnings or about treating different players differently.

Born in Yogyakarta, 24 Nov 1975, he’s one good badminton player with the most complete strokes Indonesia has. He often plays acrobatically by receiving the shuttle through his back or between his legs. Indeed, his impulsive emotion often upsets his partner. Sigit was also once punished for drugs.

Sigit confessed that he will not play in the Singapore Open, which will be commenced in August 19. Regarding the Indonesia Open, he said that he still can see a chance for this problem to be solved. “Say it that I’m injured, but I will not retire as a player. My only target at the moment is to play in the Athena’s Olympic 2004,” he said.

[sayakeren]

Briefly, yes, it's confirmed that Candra/Sigit are split by the personal request of Candra. Yet, there's no further confirmation on why Candra wanted it to be so.

Candra will play with Halim in coming tournaments while Sigit has his name registered in the coming Singapore and Indonesia Open without no one listed as his partner!

[jkusmanto]

It is very funny, and I don't understand:confused:
After Sigit back from his punishment, Candra asked PBSI to joint him to Sigit, because Candra fond that played with Sigit was the best for him and especially they were best friend.
And now Candra will "divorce" from Sigit.... :confused: :confused:

Sigit talked about earnings (money) and about the differences of treating (racism, in Indonesian).
Wauuu.. :eek: It can be blow up.
At the end of the story, maybe it will trigger Sigit to move to abroad, like the others.

[jamesd20]

All i can say is that i hope he comes to england. However i dont believe he will move as he says his wish is to play in the olympics, at which point he wouldnt be able to play withany other nationalteam for x number of years. Personally i hope he stays and brings a young member of the indonesian team and with a drive and determination brought from the heartache of this split, plays like his talent shows he can and prove candra wrong.


I think he is one of the most talented players I have ever seen, talent being something that cannot be coached. the speed of his reactions he has to have his racket by his side then create a defense into an attack is unbelievable, his speed and anticipation atthe net is second to none. I hope he finds a partner who he "clicks with, although he may have to play harder and more concentrated than ever, due to having a weaker partner, that can only be good, for us the viewer. as said before i would love him to play to his full potential and win the olympics.

Maybe candra, who's oncourt demeaner appears calm cool and calculated got upset with the flambouyance and on off nature of his game, despite enjoying a sucessful partnership before, candra will be ok, he has had different partners and come up with the goods before and i am confident he will again. halim, i feel sorry for him as he has had a stop start carreer, the two have a similar, unflappable nature on the court,which i believ could be very successful, good luck to everyone.

[jhl]

I thought I read a report recently by a Singapore journalist that Candra and Sigit had a quarrel after losing the world final and they would split.

[LazyBuddy]

Originally posted by jhl
I thought I read a report recently by a Singapore journalist that Candra and Sigit had a quarrel after losing the world final and they would split.

But what I heard was, Sigit was told about the "news" (or, a secret plan?) before the final even started... :rolleyes:

[sayakeren]

Originally posted by jhl
I thought I read a report recently by a Singapore journalist that Candra and Sigit had a quarrel after losing the world final and they would split.

Yes, they quarrelled after the champ was over, but about they're being split it was decided before the final (so the Sing's news is partly right).

In the 'secret meeting' between Candra, Sigit, Hadianto, and the coach in the hotel where they stayed at that time, Candra was reported as bursting out towards Sigit because he couldn't stand Sigit's way of missing a lot of practices. Sigit also couldn't stand his feeling as being treated unfairly.

I'll give you guys the news later on.

[protomedea]

Originally posted by sayakeren
Yes, they quarrelled after the champ was over, but about they're being split it was decided before the final (so the Sing's news is partly right).

In the 'secret meeting' between Candra, Sigit, Hadianto, and the coach in the hotel where they stayed at that time, Candra was reported as bursting out towards Sigit because he couldn't stand Sigit's way of missing a lot of practices. Sigit also couldn't stand his feeling as being treated unfairly.

I'll give you guys the news later on.

Can you elaborate more on sigit's feeling about being treated unfairly? Unfair in what way? Feels discriminated?

[sayakeren]

basically sigit feels unfairly treated by not being informed about the decision from the first time. Instead, he knew it first from the rumours in the mass media.

Sigit said:

"If PBSI has a plan, it's meant to be discussed with those involved, in this case is myself. But it's not. I'm just suddenly not partnered to Candra anymore ...... They also have to 'play' fairly because this is all about sport!"

"If they already plan to separate Candra and I, they supposedly plan with whom I will play then. But it's not! Instead, they told me to find my own partner!"

(Adapted from bolanews.com)

Therefore, Sigit feels that he's being treated unfairly because he's not being informed from the first time (PBSI took him for granted) and they also didn't prepare the plan well that they left Sigit without partner. I think it's not gonna be this bad if they already set who's gonna play with Sigit afterwards, although of course they should inform him from the first time.

I read the news about the secret meeting btw the four people after the WC was over, but i cant recall where I read it. Hopefully I can find it and send the news 2u.

however, I have a feeling that PBSI might not want to disturb Sigit's concentration on the WC' matches. That's why they decided to keep silent until the champ over. But somehow, the news was spreaded out before it was meant to be spreaded.

[Adel]

Originally posted by kwun

so poor Halim, he is always the one who is left without a partner. perhaps this move by PBSI is to make up for those... [/B]

Sorry a bit late.... but yes, I absolutely agree. Halim is always getting screwed by the decision of others.