how many of us are flat footed badminton players?

flat-footed-ness is usually associated with non-athleticism. i was told that Chinese athletic schools will reject students who are flatfooted. i wonder how that actually affect a game.

extremely!

so i can blame my crappy badminton ability on it! :D

this might be a silly question, but how can you tell if you're flatfooted?

around the centre of your foot, it should arch upwards

my friend played badminton and is now running on x-country... hes flat footed...

if flatfootedness is viewed as non-athletic.. shouldnt asthmatic people also be viewed as non-athletic? ive been hospitalized from asthma a few times wen i was younger, now i run a 4-5 miles at a quick pace without crapping out at all.. but i can still feel the asthma

with enough training and determination... one can overcome these limitations, theres no doubt you have to work alot harder than those that dont have these obstacles.. so dont give up people!! theres is hope for everyone if youre willing to give it some WORK.. go people!! lolz

i noticed that when i play badminton and on the ready stance, i really have to deliberately lift my heels to be "correct". i have to lift it so much it feel quite unnatural, but other tells me that is just normal clearance...

I've been trying to stand on the balls of my feet from yesterday and before I know it, I find moving a little more easier but with additional stress on the muscles. Feels really unnatural but that's how it's done, I suppose.

Lol, reading this thread just made me realize that I'm not handicapped. Always thought something was wrong with my leg, it isn't flat like most people I know. I've been trying lately to stand on the balls of my feet during badminton, I find that sometimes I'll do it without meaning to, or sometimes when I DO remember to stand on the balls of my feet, it feels really unnatural. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I don't think it'll affect players in anyway, does it?

I’ve thought about posting a topic like this before since I have flat feet and wondered what the experiences of other players were.

I know the US military traditionally considered flat feet some kind of a handicap (I don’t know if they still do). During the Vietnam War, I was exempted from the draft because of my feet. The only problems I noticed while growing up was that if I jumped down from the top of a fence or a table, my lower legs would hurt when I landed (so maybe between all the marching and jumping over obstacles, the military wisdom was that we would be a liability). Otherwise, I’ve been running and playing badminton for many years with no pain.

Most information available is about the possible injuries that flat feet can cause, not only to the feet, but also to the knees and back. What I would really be interested in is the results of any study done on athletic performance, or I would like to hear what top international players, coaches, or trainers have to say about it. No matter how much I work at it, movement around the court has always been my biggest problem, and I’ve always wondered how much it is due to my feet. It may also account for why I’ve never been much good at jumping or leaping.

I found this brief statement at the site flatfoot.com. Especially note what I highlighted:

“The foot is comprised of 26 bones, the foot serves two distinctly different purposes. As the heel strikes the ground, the foot must be a soft supple shock absorber. As the foot passes through the gait cycle, it must become rigid to provide an effective lever with which to toe-off. The anatomy of someone with flat feet is deficient in that the foot cannot ever achieve rigidity a normal foot can. Therefore, a person with flat feet must expend extra energy and skew the foot to toe-off. The rigidity of the foot is lost, and it becomes a much less effective lever for toe-off. This process is repeated with every step you take.”

The way I read this, people like us would have a special problem with the start of the step. Our feet don’t respond as well when pushing off.

I’d like to see more comments, and if anybody can post anything about the effect of this condition on athletic performance, particularly badminton, or if anyone can quote from top players, please do so.

I have flat feet and i have to admit that i move slower than some of my friends who aren't flat footed BUT the two best players in the club i play in are flat footed. i think flat footedness will become a factoron what level of skill you are playing at. for example: if you're a weekend warrior like us i don't think it will really matter because the level of play isn't what it's like for the pros. we play decent badminton at my club. we smash, return smashes, lunge for drops etc... but we are definitely not good enough for the pros. with our level of play it would be possible to keep up with the normal footed people. the real difference i can see between the normal footed and flat footed people is potential. if flat footed wanted to make a career out of badminton then they'll probably not get far but if you just play in the clubs and join local tournaments then i think it shouldn't pose such a problem.

I'm definitely not flat footed - I have really high arches - however I am really slow about court now :( . I've got to do someone footwork drills (if I can learn any from anywhere) to improve my speed.
I think there are some exercises for increasing the retention of the muscle between the heel and ball of the foot; I did foot scrunches when I had problems with my achilles and it helped a lot with my balance.

BTW, here's a pic below of someone with flat feet

Originally posted by Californian
The way I read this, people like us would have a special problem with the start of the step. Our feet don’t respond as well when pushing off.
Ive had this problem about pushing off but I tried to rectify it by changing and improvement of technique. Other things like timing to move just as the opponent hits the shuttle or doing the split step with both feet landing simulataneously on the ground have a much greater bearing on acceleration...IMHO, of course. I also think it is less of a problem in doubles than in singles.

I would support the view that it doesn't have a big influence on most amateurs playing.

High level players, maybe..but a survey would be needed.

This might seem somewhat strange, but I believe I have half a flat foot in my left foot but my right foot is completely normal. Heredity probably plays a minor factor in this but not completely, as both of my parents are normal footed (?)

The Varsity singles #1 and doubles #1 of our high school team last year had flat fleet (one doubles partner had it, the other didn't). They reached CCS preliminaries, for those not in California, it's basically like the regionals. My personal injection is that it does contribute to non-athleticism but not as pronounced as some might lead you to believe. The flat footers' obstacle is to work around this by developing their own personal style.

i am surprised to see (so far) nearly 40% of all responsed are flat-footed. i had thought that the % of flat-footed players are less than that.

but i too think it is not really a sign of handicap. it is just that flat footed players need to pay more attention to stay relaxed and spend more effort at foot movements...

i am "the most flat footed person my physio has seen" but it doesnt affect me that much, you just make loads of noise but the movement is not afected too much,

i dont agree that you cannot keep up with others if u r flat footed, i am not brilliant, but im in the top 8 in my country, and i am able to keep um

Originally posted by shuttleguru
i dont agree that you cannot keep up with others if u r flat footed, i am not brilliant, but im in the top 8 in my country, and i am able to keep um

i think "cannot keep up" is too strong. perhaps "takes more effort" is more accurate.

i was also told that flat footed ppl are slower but last longer. i am not sure how accurate that one is though.

The percentage of BF members reporting that they have flat feet is quite disproportionate to that estimated by medical journals of the population who have the condition; c.10% of people are thought to have true flat feet, of which a very small number have rigid flat feet (where a proper arch is not developed as the person stands on their toes), and about 1 in 10 of the population have mobile/physiological flat feet where the arch reappears when the big toe is extended upwards or when the said person is standing on their toes. Probably nobody here has rigid flat feet, as it would be very painful to play badminton. There isn't much literature on specific disadvantages of having flat feet; indeed much of it suggests there are none, save an increased susceptiblity to injury.
So to those who think they have flat feet try the following tests:

i). Wet your feet and then stand on a flat, dry surface that will leave an imprint of your foot. If your foot leaves a nearly complete imprint, as in image 1 below, you have flat feet.

ii). Lift your big toe up and/or stand on your toes; if your arch does not appear, you've got problems :confused: . If the arch does appear and you leave an imprint like image 1, you should try using a straight shaped shoe with an antipronation post or footbridge, that is, a dense material along the inner edge of the shoe to prevent excessive pronation. Specialised running shops often sell this type of "motion control" shoe.

Incidentally, I thought I had posted a query about having hammer-toes, and the effect this might have on agility about court (?). I know there are some BF members who have studied medicine; anyone know anything about this condition (i.e. treatment, how it affects performance etc.)?

Originally posted by shuttleguru
i dont agree that you cannot keep up with others if u r flat footed, i am not brilliant, but im in the top 8 in my country, and i am able to keep um

You're in the top 8? Is your name any of the following?

England, NationalRankings; position 8:

Nicholas Kidd (Men's singles)
Graham HURRELL (Men's Doubles)
Leah TARRY (Women's singles)
Emma HENDRY (W.'s Doubles)
Chris ROE (Mixed Doubles)
Lesley PAINE (Mixed Doubles)

If not, would you mind clarifying which rank you currently hold?
-Sorry for thread-jacking.

Thread jacking posts are strongly discouraged and run the possiblilty of being deledted...The above two posts will most likely be deleted after 24-48 hours.

Originally posted by Kurodo
my friend played badminton and is now running on x-country... hes flat footed...

There are lots of running shoes which are meant for people with flat foot who overpronates. These shoes, known as Motion Control shoes, are very firm, and they provide extra support to prevent your feet from rolling in as you're running. If your friend chooses his running shoes correctly, he wouldn't be at any disadvantage while running cross country.

However, badminton is a different story. There are no badminton shoes (at least I haven't heard of any yet) which prevents your feet from pronating if you have flat foot. It probably is fair to say that badminton players who are flat footed will be at a much more disadvantage from runners who are flat footed. (unless a special pair of orthodics has been ordered from a Pediatrisian)

By the way, here's another note of interest. While we're in the topic of comparing running and badminton, note that in running, if you're flat footed runner who overpronates, you have a very high chance of suffering from various running injuries (from achilles tendenitis to runner knees) if you don't wear a good pair of running shoes that prevent you from over pronating. But from all the discussions above, it seems that in badminton, people who have flat foot do not have a higher probability of receiving injuries while playing badminton.

I have normal arches on my feet and I don't think being flat footed is a handicap. Have a question though... Do any of you also get callouses from playing? I've developed ones under my big toe and the balls of my small toes. How do i prevent this? Socks? Shoes? Sorry to digress...:rolleyes:

I am definitely flat-footed and I always thought it was because I was too heavy as a kid and just weigh myself down so the arch disappeared. :D anyway, being flat-footed for me just means I have to train my leg muscles a little more to compensate for it. I think that is why I have an abnormally large calf and shin when compared to other people.

For the flat-footed people, you might like to know that Kung Fu Legend Bruce Lee had flat feet (he was also exempted from military service because of this) and his athletic ability was legendary. I used to think that I myself have flat feet as well, but the wet test indicates my feet are normal. Nevertheless, my arches are very shallow and I don't run as fast as my friends who have higher arches.

Since we're talking about feet, I wonder if anyone develops corns or calluses after a badminton session? I have very skinny feet and my big toes tend to develop corns after a badminton session. Does anyone know how this can be prevented? My shoes fit very well and are very comfortable (YY SHB89) and I wear Thorlos padded socks.

i've feet that r rather flat too.
but that doesn't stop me from playing badminton and it's not really true that one will experience pain on his feet (flat) after rigorous or continuous exercise.
has to depend on ur threshold of pain too.
in some of my country's army cases, those with severe flat feet are given less-demanding postings... but most of them go thru the same kind of training too.
anyway, i myself had taken part in half-marathons before and i see no prob with it.

btw, to test whether u have flat feet.
go to any swimming pool, go dip ur feet in, then put in on the concrete surface besides the pool...
u will witness for urself as to whether u possess total flat feet or not.
if the whole feet area is wet, u are most likely to be one.

My feet look just like the one in the picture showing the inner foot. Real Flat. You can't even slide a paper under it. What Arch?!?

then sad to say, u really have flat feet. but that shouldn't stop u from daily rigorous activities...

does ur feet give u any significant movement problems?

i know that i'm flat footed, but, as a junior i was one of the top long jumpers in the country. 6.30 metres when i was 14 yrs. i think that flat footedness (for me) increases muscle fatigue, so if ur really fit, then im guessing u wouldnt feel any problems.

im from california and i work at the athlests foot we have a machine that tells you if you have high arches or flat feet and it tells you if you pronate(roll in when you walk or run) or suppenate(roll out).then if you roll in you want a shoe that has a stability post on the inside, its a grayish colored hard dense foam on the inside of the shoe what it does is it controls the motion of rolling in and forces you to walk or run straight. A lot of time ill have pediatrist(foot doctor) recconmend high arch insolse for people with flat feet , at first it may feel quite uncomfortable because it feels like something is poking your foot but it builds up your arch and then you get used to it .

If you find that your feet has no arch (aka flat-footed) or a high arch, it is best to go see a foot specialist a "Podiatrist" (pod as in foot) who will recommend a custom built in-sole for your shoes (these are not the same as the ones off the shelf).

The Podiatrist will make a cast of your feet in a "neutral position", and then create a rigid to semi-rigid in-sole for your footwear. Each pair or orthodicts are made specifically for dress shoes (ex/ women hi-heels), everyday walking shoes, athletic footwear, etc. because the support of the in-sole depends on the level of flex required and the activity.

At first, it will feel like a rock in you shoe, but after a few weeks/months, you don't even notice it until you take your shoes off and walk around bare feet. Wearing the orthodicts during badminton did not decrease my level of play nor decrease my mobility.

This process is not cheap, and it will depend on if you are a youth and your family's medical coverage. If you are still growing (a youth), you may need a pair of orthodicts every year, otherwise every two years for an adult, or based on your level of wear & tear on the in-soles. When I got my feet first casted, I got 2 pairs at a cheaper price. The only time I notice it is when I get a new pair of badminton shoes and it takes 3-6 sessions before the orthodicts is firmly seated into the runners.

I forgot to add...

The orthodicts can be easily taken out from one badminton shoe and slipped into another, it is not permanently placed in one shoe.

what effect does the custom orthodicts have? does it "heal" the flatfooted-ness? or just more comfortable?

i think it is the latter. orthodicts would help redistribute the stress profile of the subject foots to conventional shoes.

Originally posted by kwun
what effect does the custom orthodicts have? does it "heal" the flatfooted-ness? or just more comfortable?

More the second, it basically minimises the amount of overpronation of your foot relieving stress on the foot/ankle/ligaments in the area (if you want a detailed explaination of why overpronation is bad look it up or read the rest of this thread). Why are custom ones better? When you first start, you usually get an orthotic that is molded to your foot but only raises the angle slightly as Break-My-String said at first they are damn painful (in most cases) and you can't handle a complete correction (assuming you have really flat feet (like me :P)). Then you either get your first set modified, or get another set with a better angle.

In my case it has healed the effect of the flatfootedness to a certain degree ...

PS Flat feet have been shown to case serious neck and back problems in fact getting orthotics a couple of years after I first got mine clear up a lot of my dad's neck problems.

thanks. sounds like something that i should be looking into.

Originally posted by kwun
thanks. sounds like something that i should be looking into.

Note, I can't emphasise enough though at the start it will be incredibly painful. When I first got mine I was 16 and after about two weeks they hurt so much I gave up on them and stopped wearing them. I only started wearing them again because I realised that I couldn't even stay standing without pain when I was shopping with my gf (though it was a good excuse to get out of it ;P) so I started again. If this thread has convinced you to get orthotics, well you'll probably hate us for a month or two and think we're just sadistic, don't say I didn't warn you ;)

PS when you first get them, I don't recommend playing baddy in them, give your feet time to get used to them before you try that.

Here ! Here! Don't try playing badminton with your first set of orthodicts until you are very comfortable in them (ie/ you don't even notice you are wearing them).

The one down-side of wearing orthodicts (as I had posted earlier) is, at home, I don't wear shoes in the house, so you don't get any support. You may need to get a new/clean shoe for "in-house" use only.

The orthodicts is about 2/3 the length of your foot, it basically starts at the ball of your foot and goes to your heel, there is nothing under your toes.

When you start buying new shoes, you will need to try the shoes on with the orthodicts, and try shoes starting a half size larger than usual. Yes, that means most of your existing shoes will no longer fit.

fortunately i don't wear orthodicts. I was curious, do orthodicts increase wear on the shoes?

Based on what expert say.. let it be natural if you are a flat footed. Its not so good to wear ortodicts.. it will make your hips and spine unbalanced.

Originally posted by cooler
fortunately i don't wear orthodicts. I was curious, do orthodicts increase wear on the shoes?

I have tried various badminton shoes with orthodicts and usually the outside sole, uppers, or the inside sole (where the toes are) wear out first.

The only time I had the heel support fail with the orthodicts was when the shoe was trying to be ultra-light and the honey-comb design under the heel was poorly designed (I had an identical pair without the orthodicts and the heel support failed also).

Originally posted by ants
Based on what expert say.. let it be natural if you are a flat footed. Its not so good to wear ortodicts.. it will make your hips and spine unbalanced.

where is the expert(s) quote?

I'm not too sure if this question would enhance your survey, Kwun?

Of the players who responded they were "flat-footed"...

How many of you wear orthodicts?
If yes, is the orthodicts custom-made or off-the-shelf?



For myself, I am flat-footed & wear custom made orthodicts.

I am flat-footed, and its true you tire more easily. You also wear out badminton shoes faster and you have frequent foot callluses. I got over this problem by fitting a pair of customized foot orthoses. Now I don't have to use knee braces and I don't have anymore pains on my knee. The orthoses are quite expensive at HK$1380. They make a cast of both your feet and use a computer to map your feet. They have this service in the US but I believe it is even more expensive over there.

Originally posted by Break-My-String
... <snip>
Of the players who responded they were "flat-footed"...

How many of you wear orthodicts?
If yes, is the orthodicts custom-made or off-the-shelf?

<snip> ...

I'm flat-footed and wear off-the-shelf "Superfeet" brand insoles from SportChek. Having SOME form of arch-support greatly increases mobility on the court.

-dave

wood_22_chuck / taneepak,

hm... very interesting and interested. can you tell me more?

I'd been playing for about a year with stock insoles before I discovered the "Superfeet" recommendation on this forum. After hard games of badminton, I do experience knee and feet soreness. Climing stairs was PAINFUL later in the day, and the next day.

On court, it would be painful to lunge to the front for a drop, and I would hesitate to reach, if I had to bound more than two steps.

The Superfeet insoles have a hard molded "cup" at the heel area with arch-support, underneath a foam (?) sole. The foam sole is your-foot-length, but the mold is goes from your arch to your heel, so maybe half-a-foot to a third-of-a-foot. Not 12 inches, but your foot-length.

The improvement is remarkable. Pain-free. No knee pain/soreness nor foot soreness after/during the game. Lunging for drops is "trouble-free" i.e. I don't sub-consciously hesitate to go for them. At around CAD 30 a pair, they work well for me.

I even bought a pair for my leather casual shoes that I've never worn for a year, because the inside sole is extremely flat, and I'd get foot soreness after an hour of use/shopping.

Overall, I think if you're flat-footed, you do need RIGID support at the arch area, not the soft cushiony types that shoe salesperson would try to sell you. I was quite surprise, as it was counter-intuitive to me at the time. If I do get knee/foot discomfort again, I'd look into custom orthotics ... but for now, I'm extremely happy with my CAD 30 insoles.

Oh, I forgot to mention, when inspecting the entire insole, I noticed the soft foam insole is made in Canada, but the hard cup arch support is made in the US, and patented, so I'm sure you can get them there.

Hope this helps.

-dave

Superfeet actually are pretty good I use them at the snow since it's a complete, utter *#%$ing pain in the arse to put your orthotics into boots and I just leave my superfeet in the boots permanantly.

Are they as good as custom orthotics, nope definately not. Is it worth a try since they are only 10-20% of the cost of custom orthotics, absolutely. If you can, get them made up at a shoe store that actually has a certified boot fitter (forgotten the proper US name for it), or funnily enough, go a snow store that has a boot fitter on site (which a lot of owners are) and get them made up there.

What's the difference simply put? Superfeet provide support in the shape of your foot, basically they take a computerised mold of your foot and make a set of insoles to match. Custom orthotics provide correction, taking a mold and making changes to improve your foot position.

thanks for the info guys. i will try it out and see whether it makes a difference for me.

Foot orthotics are not arch supports. They are used to correct wrong striking angles of your feet, which can cause foot fatique, pain in the knees or back. Foot orthotics correct slightly the angles your foot strikes a walking or running surface. They make standing, walking and running more efficient and comfortable.
They come in full length as well as 2/3 length.
It is true that you might have to discard all your existing shoes, because the orthotics require more space in your shoes to accommodate it, or that your shoes are not rigid enough for the orthotics to work as intended. Air cushioning shoes and shoes with too soft heel and shoe bottom are no no. Yes, you will require another foot orthotics for home use, but this can come in the form of slip-ons.
You can buy custom made shoes to fit your foot orthotics. I don't do that. Instead I take my foot orthotics to shop for new shoes. For badminton shoes, try the anti-twist shoes from Mizuno or Yonex. The shoes must not twist, must not bend in the middle, must have stiff heels and the insole of your shoes must be flat to ensure it does not alter the correction angles of your foot orthotics. You have to discard the insoles of all shoes to accommodate your foot orthotics. You also need to allow your body some time to gradually adapt to it.
Despite all these bother, I am a great believer in foot orthotics My wife and son are converts (they both have abnormally high archs), and the foot orthotics have got rid of their knee pains.

Do you have any pictures of the superfeet? I myself is flat footed.. but i don't wear any insoles.. so far its good for me. I was told that if you were to wear orthodontics or insoles , you have to wear both sides. Better still don't wear any because it will affect the positions of your spinal joints due to uneven leg lengths.

Do you have any pictures of the superfeet? I myself is flat footed.. but i don't wear any insoles.. so far its good for me. I was told that if you were to wear orthodontics or insoles , you have to wear both sides. Better still don't wear any because it will affect the positions of your spinal joints due to uneven leg lengths.



Which one? Pecheur is referring to ones that is molded to your sole.

I used one out of the box, readily available at local "sportmarts" here in Canada.

-dave
p.s. I wonder if Kwun tried em out. Any reviews?

Which one? Pecheur is referring to ones that is molded to your sole.

I used one out of the box, readily available at local "sportmarts" here in Canada.

-dave
p.s. I wonder if Kwun tried em out. Any reviews?

the one out of the box.

i tried out the superfeet. both the blue and green versions.

i used the blue ones for badminton a couple of times. the problem i found with them is that the insole folds quite easily, especially on a hard lunge. there seems to be a lack of adhesion between the insole and the sole and i was not prepared to glue it on without much experimentation.

i use the green one for daily use, it was originally not very comfortable. but it has done little more than that to me so far.

so i don't have very conclusive reviews. perhaps i should try it on badminton again.

the one out of the box.

I'll take a picture of them when I get home. Don't have the box though.

Fold quite easily? Hmmm, I trimmed the length but left a bit extra at the tip, so it's REALLY snug against all sides of the shoe. I think it even curls up slightly at the front. So I don't experience folding, although I feel that it "lifts" or separates from the shoe insole on sideways lunges.

-dave

Okay, here you go. One very used Superfeet insole pic.

Wonder if this'll now show up on the streets of KL's night markets :D

-dave

I'm just talking about fits.
Eggroll told me that one of the feature of yonex's lady shoes is that they are made for foot with less arching.

Huh? (This is to lengthen the msg to over 15 characters.)

-dave

didnt someone here said flat footed mean a foot with less than average arches? Beside less arches, ladies yy shoes is narrower and a bit more toe-in.

Do you have any pictures of the superfeet? I myself is flat footed.. but i don't wear any insoles.. so far its good for me. I was told that if you were to wear orthodontics or insoles , you have to wear both sides. Better still don't wear any because it will affect the positions of your spinal joints due to uneven leg lengths.

It is true that foot orthosis, which are used to correct foot over-pronation or over-supination, come in pairs. These devices are not off-the-shelve insoles; they are customized for each individual. People with flat feet usually suffer from over-pronation by as much as 10 to 12 degrees vs the normal 6 to 8 degrees that is when walking. For high impact sports like badminton, flat feet over-pronation could be even worse, with increased stress on your feet and achilles tendon.
Aside from orthotics, you can buy antipronation shoes, but I doubt if they make such shoes for badminton. Or you can try arch support, often with wedge under inside of heel and big toe joint. Both are not true orthotics and are more like band-aid.
Orthotics, if correctly prescribed and made, will allow your feet to be more energy-efficient, i.e. you can walk the whole day without tired feet. They also save on wear and tear of the shoes. I used to wear off my badminton shoes every 6 months before orthotics. My year-old badminton shoes, bought a month after I had orthotics fitted, are now almost as good as new.
Despite its initial high costs, using orthotics will pay in the long run (except for growing children).

This is a really interesting subject for me as I studied this area for my degree dissertation. I am not flat-footed but developed patellar tendonitis because I collpase the arch of my arch my foot when lunging. Foot orthosis have been a real help to me. In effect, by building up the arch support in your shoe, you are creating anti-pronation badminton shoes.

However recent research has suggested that if you are flat-footed, you should not try to correct this by the use of orthotics in your shoes. The assumption has always been that pronation causes internal rotation of the tibia, which in turn stresses the knee and hip joints. Research has been conducted that now supports the theory that the foot merely follows the actions of the tibia. Controlling pronation may therefore increase the resistance against tibial rotation and cause more stress of the tibia and knee.

This is a really interesting subject for me as I studied this area for my degree dissertation. I am not flat-footed but developed patellar tendonitis because I collpase the arch of my arch my foot when lunging. Foot orthosis have been a real help to me. In effect, by building up the arch support in your shoe, you are creating anti-pronation badminton shoes.

However recent research has suggested that if you are flat-footed, you should not try to correct this by the use of orthotics in your shoes. The assumption has always been that pronation causes internal rotation of the tibia, which in turn stresses the knee and hip joints. Research has been conducted that now supports the theory that the foot merely follows the actions of the tibia. Controlling pronation may therefore increase the resistance against tibial rotation and cause more stress of the tibia and knee.

Not true for me, as I was suffering from severe knee pain for years until I corrected my flat feet with orthotics last year. I used to wear heavy duty knee brace when playing badminton and always developed callus on my soles; and all my shoes had a pronounced wear on one side of the heel and I just couldn't walked for any extended period of time. I had to buy a new pair of badminton shoes every six months because my right shoe would always have accelerated wear on the insole. Since fitting orthotics I am no longer using any knee brace; I can now walk for hours without inflamed soles or callus and without feeling tired.

I *love* this thread!! u all are nswering a lot of questions for ppl out here who know nothing of badminton but are curious about flat-footedness. :D

Here's my question. I know my son is flat-footed. He's been seen by an orthopedist, and the findings were actually that not only are his arches flexible but that they - combined with his all-over flexibility - are indication of a gift... that "this kind of flexibility is what separates the really good athletes from the rest." But a year or so later, knowing that he has what i've always considered a cute little run, my mother pointed out that it's because of his flat feet. That had never occurred to me before! I don't care if he becomes an athlete or not. I only care that if he *wants* to be an athlete, that he can be. So with the doctor's ok, i don't do anything special for his feet. I just buy him expensive :eek: shoes from stride rite, basically the only place that sells wide sizes for kids, and try to find ones w/ good arches.

Since u all are him years from now, do u suggest doing anything at this young age or just letting his little body develop naturally like i've been doing?

I *love* this thread!! u all are nswering a lot of questions for ppl out here who know nothing of badminton but are curious about flat-footedness. :D

Here's my question. I know my son is flat-footed. He's been seen by an orthopedist, and the findings were actually that not only are his arches flexible but that they - combined with his all-over flexibility - are indication of a gift... that "this kind of flexibility is what separates the really good athletes from the rest." But a year or so later, knowing that he has what i've always considered a cute little run, my mother pointed out that it's because of his flat feet. That had never occurred to me before! I don't care if he becomes an athlete or not. I only care that if he *wants* to be an athlete, that he can be. So with the doctor's ok, i don't do anything special for his feet. I just buy him expensive :eek: shoes from stride rite, basically the only place that sells wide sizes for kids, and try to find ones w/ good arches.

Since u all are him years from now, do u suggest doing anything at this young age or just letting his little body develop naturally like i've been doing?

Why don't you ask your orthopedic surgeon if your son's feet overpronate more than the usual tolerances for flat feet, and if so, would he recommend any correction using foot orthoses for your son?

oh yeah im semi flat footed i guess...when i was a kid i dint hav flat foot at all....but now seems that im developing flat foots..man im afraid:mad: isnt there any excercise...to improve this thing?whats foot orthosis?

Foot orthoses are custom-made insoles to correct biomechanical leg and foot malalignment. To make a pair of foot orthoses you must first take a foot cast, which would usually involve casting by plaster of paris bandage, taking a foot impression and by computer laser scanning.

I have read the above posts (like crazy), but I still somewhat "guessed" that, since we are all wearing a badminton shoes (I suppose), would flat feet really matter that much? (I wouldn't say none, but I would "guess" (again) to difference is not huge)


Once we arel wearing shoes, the force should be distributed evenly and nicely, isn't it? Then, now, is there still a huge difference when you jump?

PS: I have heard that, flat feet people should not stand for a long time (say, 10 hours) because of risk of passing out. I don't know much about it, but that's just the "durability" issue......since we don't just stand there in badminton games, I guess that's not very important in here....

I have read the above posts (like crazy), but I still somewhat "guessed" that, since we are all wearing a badminton shoes (I suppose), would flat feet really matter that much? (I wouldn't say none, but I would "guess" (again) to difference is not huge)


Once we arel wearing shoes, the force should be distributed evenly and nicely, isn't it? Then, now, is there still a huge difference when you jump?

PS: I have heard that, flat feet people should not stand for a long time (say, 10 hours) because of risk of passing out. I don't know much about it, but that's just the "durability" issue......since we don't just stand there in badminton games, I guess that's not very important in here....

The ideal neutral position (biomechanically) for the foot is when the ankle is in neutral position and the plane of forefoot is parallel to that of the hindfoot. Flat foot usually means pronated foot which means it is not in an ideal biomechanical position. People with flat foot just get tired more easily than people whose feet are in an ideal biomechanical position. They also tend to get all sorts of foot problems like bunion, callus, metatarsalgia, leg tiredness, knee pain, heel pain and sometimes lower back pain.
I will use a car's wheels and tires as an analogy. You may have your car fitted with new tires, properly balanced and inflated. If your car's front wheel alignment is out of alignment, analogous to foot malalignment, your new tires will not perform their best. In fact, your whole front suspension system will be adversely affected, resulting in heavy wear and tear and possible breakdown. Your new tires will also show uneven and pre-mature wear. :)

After my ankle injury for right foot, it became very weak. Doctor says it's because i put too much stress on it (playing badminton) while it was still injured and the tendons were loose. Hence, it became flat. Then i got those special insoles for correcting alignment etc. After a couple of months, i noticed arch higher, but my right knee is in great pain. If i had another chance, i wouldn't have gotten that. The knee hinders me greatly now, and if only...

After my ankle injury for right foot, it became very weak. Doctor says it's because i put too much stress on it (playing badminton) while it was still injured and the tendons were loose. Hence, it became flat. Then i got those special insoles for correcting alignment etc. After a couple of months, i noticed arch higher, but my right knee is in great pain. If i had another chance, i wouldn't have gotten that. The knee hinders me greatly now, and if only...

Normally, people do not fit customized foot orthoses for an ankle injury or for any injury from sports, unless the injuries are caused by malaligned foot. Anyway, can you give more details about the special insoles that you used? :confused:

The custom made Orthotics are amazing. They're not cheap but they're
really worth it.

Several months ago, after a tournament I got a foot pain that I could barely walk but continued to play more because I wanted to train for another upcoming tournament but my foot hurt so much I had to stop.
Went to see a doctor who told me to rest, when I rested the pain seemed to go away but it came back everytime I started playing again, so bad that I couldn't even stand for a period of time. It was very frustrating.

Finally, I went to see a Podiatrist whom my friend recommended and
guess what? my pain was related to being very flat-footed. He prescribed
a pair of custom made Orthotics for my sport shoes (to raise my arch)
and I wear them ALL THE TIME, it's now been 2 months since I first wore them and I've been playing for about a month now, the pain doesn't
disappear overnight but it slowly goes away. I still have a little pain
but that's nothing. I even played in a tournament last weekend and still
okay with it.



what effect does the custom orthodicts have? does it "heal" the flatfooted-ness? or just more comfortable?

The custom made Orthotics are amazing. They're not cheap but they're
really worth it.

Several months ago, after a tournament I got a foot pain that I could barely walk but continued to play more because I wanted to train for another upcoming tournament but my foot hurt so much I had to stop.
Went to see a doctor who told me to rest, when I rested the pain seemed to go away but it came back everytime I started playing again, so bad that I couldn't even stand for a period of time. It was very frustrating.

Finally, I went to see a Podiatrist whom my friend recommended and
guess what? my pain was related to being very flat-footed. He prescribed
a pair of custom made Orthotics for my sport shoes (to raise my arch)
and I wear them ALL THE TIME, it's now been 2 months since I first wore them and I've been playing for about a month now, the pain doesn't
disappear overnight but it slowly goes away. I still have a little pain
but that's nothing. I even played in a tournament last weekend and still
okay with it.

You will see more improvement over the next 6 to 10 months. Based on my own experience I achieved optimum improvement after about 12 months. I used to be weighed down by heavy duty knee braces. I don't use them now. I cannot for the life of me understand why there are so many players, young and old, wearing knee braces, who never give custom made orthotics a second thought and who are seemingly happy with knee braces that don't really cure the problem. I think it is more a case of penny wise pound foolish. :D

Erm, I am very flat footed, I used to get knee problem wearing normal badminton shoes, but now I just use a pair of New Balance cross trainer meant for flat-footed ppl, and it worked fine for me.

I got this from a book that was written by Dr. Allan M. Levy in 1993
, he is team Physician for the New York Giants and formerly, the New
Jersey Nets and New York Islanders.

" Flat feet:
Bones, muscles, and tendons under the foot create an arch in most people.
Some people, however, are born with "fallen arches," or flat feet. Contrary
to popular belief, flat feet are not a problem for athletes. In fact, flat feet
usually are more flexible, have greater range of motion, and are better able
to absorb the shock of running and jumping.

It is the athletes with high arches who are more injury-prone. An unusually
high-arched foot is more rigid and has less range of motion during quick,
agile movements. Also, a foot that's precariously balanced on the heel and
ball has poor shock-absorbing ability.

Many children start off with flat feet, but the vast majority develop normal
arches as they grow. Until recently, flat-footed children were frequently
treated with orthotics and perhaps surgery to create a higher arch. But
few studies have shown that wearing a particular shoe or arch support
can make a significant difference in the development of an arch. Most
doctors now feel that flat-footed people should not limit their activities
and do not need special treatment. Seek medical care only if your feet
hurt."



how many of us are flat footed badminton players?

flat-footed-ness is usually associated with non-athleticism. i was told that Chinese athletic schools will reject students who are flatfooted. i wonder how that actually affect a game.

well im not flat-footed but according to the chart on the 1st page im just normal footed so i guess thats good. i mean being flat-footed can slow down those who dont try and overcome cause ive seen like special shoes for people with flat feet but i dont really think that its a big deal if your flat so yea thats my 2cents worth.

Its too bad eh? Most people in the poorer countries of asia have flat feet because they wear slippers and sometimes go barefeet. Proper running shoes and a foot doctor can help. They add pads to your shoe and help support your feet.

i am surprised to see (so far) nearly 40% of all responsed are flat-footed. i had thought that the % of flat-footed players are less than that.

Bear in mind that this is a self-selecting sample to some extent. It's like those internet movie reviews (eg. the reviews on Amazon.com DVDs/videos): people only ever bother to rate a movie if it's one of their favourites (or occasionally if they hate it), which gives misleading 4 or 5 star ratings for just about every film.

People who ARE flat-footed will be more likely to read this thread and vote than people who are not.

Jaguar,

That's a very interesting article. Thanks.

His idea certainly runs contrary to traditional thinking.

I used to be a regular here on BC, but I have been away for a long while and have changed my "name".
This post is very interesting to me because I have foot problems and have spent large amounts of time researching my injuries and their causes. I don't have flat feet, but my little sister does. She is a phenomenal athlete--a collegiate national racquetball champion, a collegiate softball player and an All State basketball and volleyball player in High School, and a pretty darn good badminton player.
I say this in response to posts regarding flat footed athletes possibly being inferior. I think "flat footedness" has about as much influence on an athletes capability as the color of her/his eyes does--meaning absolutely nothing. All great athletes had to work hard to become great whether thay have flat feet, high arches, brown eyes, or asthma.
My other point is that no two feet are the same. My own two feet are not the same. One has a higher arch than the other. Every person has different feet and orthotics/orthoses are going to have a different affect on the wearer depending on many, many factors--including the skill of the podiatrist who made them. Some people will get lucky and have an over the counter shoe insert work for their situation; however, if you have a foot that needs an orthotic, chances are you need a good podiatrist to cast and make or have made your particular type of insert.
The earlier post that had the three different types of feet that you could match by stepping in water and then onto a paper or something is a good general measurement, but it is not always accurate. I have a normal, good arch by that standard. However upon further observation by my very capable podiatrist, I found out that I have a nearly perfect arch--until I walk or run, and even then it is perfect until my "push-off" in which I severly overpronate. Over time, and with training to run a marathon (because there is not one single badminton court in the town I now live in) my foot developed a severe inflammation and resulting pain. The cause of the pain was the constant, repetitive motion of running. In years of badminton and racquetball, I never injured my foot because the motion is not constant and repetitive--it is varied.
My podiatrist also is making me some custom sport othoses now. I will wear them when I run, and when I play racquetball until my foot is healed. After that I will only wear them when I run. These orthoses will cost me $275.00 (US), but they are guaranteed to last 9 years. Each year I will need to take them back to a podiatrist for a quick, cheap ($20.00) refurbishing because the soft cushioned part will break down. This seems very reasonable to me.

thank God im not flat-footed, just have a normal feet..... but if u are really interested in such games, being flat-footed wouldn't be such a problem!! right guys??....:D

Yeah I realised I had flat feet after seeing an orthopedist (whatever he's called). Anyway the flat feet apparently is the culprit for my extreme back pain (together with my scoliosis, S-shaped spine). I was lucky that the flatness hadn't gone into the extreme where nothing else can be done.

I wear a pair of orthotics now (was very expensive in Canada, C$400--about S$200 in Singapore). It's just shoe inserts made from plastics and customised for yr feet. I have no more pain when I am running long distance.

My friend got away just with those generic gel shoe inserts you can find from many sport stores (Dr Scholl's stuff).

But I don't see it as helping my badminton :)...was kinda hoping though.

But I have to carry those orthotics when buying a new pair of shoes. And not so many places in Asia (Singapore) to get customised shoes. The "New Balance" store in Canada (Toronto) have those for flat feet, wide feet, or whatever feet you have. Their court shoes I heard are very nice too.....


Aki

how many of us are flat footed badminton players?

flat-footed-ness is usually associated with non-athleticism. i was told that Chinese athletic schools will reject students who are flatfooted. i wonder how that actually affect a game.
I'm flat-footed. I have been playing active badminton for a little over a year now. A few months ago, I started taking up advance badminton training and usually experienced pain in my arch after doing a couple of drills. I tried looking for badminton shoes designed for flat-footed athletes but to no avail. I also have come acrossed the "flat-foot insole" but haven't tried it yet. Anyone who has used this product? Can it help with my arch-pain problem? Can anyone recommend a good badminton shoes that best fits flat-footers?

Thanks!

I'm flat-footed. I have been playing active badminton for a little over a year now. A few months ago, I started taking up advance badminton training and usually experienced pain in my arch after doing a couple of drills. I tried looking for badminton shoes designed for flat-footed athletes but to no avail. I also have come acrossed the "flat-foot insole" but haven't tried it yet. Anyone who has used this product? Can it help with my arch-pain problem? Can anyone recommend a good badminton shoes that best fits flat-footers?

Thanks!I have the same problem any recommendations anyone?
Actually my arc is up when im sitting down and me feet arent touching the ground, but when I stand up, they still go flat. When I move back-left to hit a shuttle, I have hard time because my left foot tils outwards. also my right foot is albeit lower than my left about half an inch giving me slight back pains sometimes.. but this I love badmnton and this isnt going to stop me from playing :-D

Are there any special shoes out there?

GOSH! when i voted in the poll, i had entirely misunderstood the question! (now i realise! :o :mad: ) i was thinking of 'flat-footedness' as just an expression to mean the player is not on constant move about the court in chase of the shuttle. well, it's the term my father always uses when he reprimands me on my stone figure when on court :o.. but i think i've set my mentality right now and am dy-ving for every shot :D

my apologies for messing up the poll! i have normal feet :o

im REALLY flat footed...to tell u the truth...even after i got my orthodics (the cheap dr sholl ones) i couldn't see a BIG amount of change in my athletic abilities...i just felt a little more bouncy on the court and i could control my rythm better....so yeh...

Guys,

Are flat-footed people like me more prone to injuries like anke sprain? I hve been playing badminton for over a year now and as of today I have had 3 ankle sprain already. Does anyone here have any articles to contribute regarding this matter?

Thanks!

I was out injured recently for a couple weeks with a knee problem, which I'm told was caused by the fact that my fallen arches resulted in too much pressure on my knee. The recent increase in the amount of training I did must have just put that little bit extra strain on my knee I guess. I got prescription insoles and I should be fine now. I would advise anyone who thinks they may have flat feet to get it checked out. It can be solved very easily and it's not worth getting injured.

i noticed that when i play badminton and on the ready stance, i really have to deliberately lift my heels to be "correct". i have to lift it so much it feel quite unnatural, but other tells me that is just normal clearance...
well i'm flat footed as well but the best way is to try to stand on the balls of your feet. I know tat its not as easy but after doing a lot of jumping exercises, you'll notice it. The only way to overcome this is just always trying your best and keep going since theres no other way. As for the ready stance, just get into a position that feels comfortable since there is real right way for flatfooters from my view

nope I disagree that flat foots are prone to ankle injuries yadidadida....
However I do agree they have less shock absorbance and prone to more back injuries compared to normal people....
I am extremely flat footed and big foot too... (size 12 and I am 177cm only...)
I never experience any leg problem... but I have an extremely soar back from time to time.....

i'm a very flat footed person but i do not think it affected my movements in anyway. i do think, your feet starts to feel great pain from standing more than an hour straight without resting your feet:D

I don't think flat foot should matter because aren't you on your toes and heels all the times anyways during the games?

I don't think flat foot should matter because aren't you on your toes and heels all the times anyways during the games? Nope it does matter..... because the arch is virtually touching the floor.... and your foot is naturally pronated (bend inwards) all the time... So I guess if your muscles are weak then you are prone to great injuries to your ankle and knee...

Nope it does matter..... because the arch is virtually touching the floor.... and your foot is naturally pronated (bend inwards) all the time... So I guess if your muscles are weak then you are prone to great injuries to your ankle and knee...
yeah i agree, i dont think flat-footed people are hindered in terms of movement but i believe it does take up more energy. Personally, (without sounding arrogant) i am a relatively good mover - so my coaches tell me and i am flat-footed. Its the same with table tennis, as i play for the county and my movement (which is very important) isnt affected at all.

BUT. it is still true that some countries wont accept you at a professional level and the militaries generally do the same. :crying:

Wish the US military will not accept you because you are flat footed

Wish the US military will not accept you because you are flat footed
You wish that? why?

Yup I'm flatfooted alright... But I've been trying to walk like a normal person (I'm not syaing that flatfooted people are abnormal but like walk like people without flat feet) and I'm kinda getting the hang of it lol...

My wife and I have been using his book for 8 or 9 years now. As a flatfoot myself (not severe, I just have a lower than normal arch), I have never noticed any problem traceable to my arches. Dr. Levy's account of flat feet match my experience exactly.
BTW, I'd recommend his book for almost any athlete. There's a lot that is relevant to badminton players, including the sections on sports injuries and the excercises that can help prevent them.
I got this from a book that was written by Dr. Allan M. Levy in 1993
, he is team Physician for the New York Giants and formerly, the New
Jersey Nets and New York Islanders.

" Flat feet:
Bones, muscles, and tendons under the foot create an arch in most people.
Some people, however, are born with "fallen arches," or flat feet. Contrary
to popular belief, flat feet are not a problem for athletes. In fact, flat feet
usually are more flexible, have greater range of motion, and are better able
to absorb the shock of running and jumping.

It is the athletes with high arches who are more injury-prone. An unusually
high-arched foot is more rigid and has less range of motion during quick,
agile movements. Also, a foot that's precariously balanced on the heel and
ball has poor shock-absorbing ability.

Many children start off with flat feet, but the vast majority develop normal
arches as they grow. Until recently, flat-footed children were frequently
treated with orthotics and perhaps surgery to create a higher arch. But
few studies have shown that wearing a particular shoe or arch support
can make a significant difference in the development of an arch. Most
doctors now feel that flat-footed people should not limit their activities
and do not need special treatment. Seek medical care only if your feet
hurt."

how many of us are flat footed badminton players?

flat-footed-ness is usually associated with non-athleticism. i was told that Chinese athletic schools will reject students who are flatfooted. i wonder how that actually affect a game.Heres a test.....get a brown paper bag, the kind you find at a grocery store. Wet your foot...dont soak it, just make sure its moist. Then step on the paper bag. You can see from the impression if ure flat footed or not. If youre normal, there'll be a curve in the middle.....if youre flat, there'll be a round print like a shoe print.

I was born flat-footed. This was never a problem in the many sports I played when I was young. From young, I was at various times the school champion sprinter, 100 x4 relay runner, long jumper, hop-step-jump competitor, high jumper, school player in soccer, cricket, field hockey, and rugby union-but not badminton as I deemed it too sissy at that time. I even played division 2 soccer in Melbourne. Despite my flat foot I was told I had flexible feet. But that was ages ago. After almost 5 decades my cartilage in my knees doesn't lubricate anymore. In fact in one knee it is almost gone. :crying:

I happen to have a flat foot too, I don't get back aches from playing badminton though. But do get it when running long distance, even though I'm running on the ball of my foot. Should I wear a heel cup and ball of feet cups?

hop-step-jump competitor

can also be called triple jump...
well at least you must have a good physique, even if your knees are not as new:o

Im flat-footed but i havnt found a giant problem with moving etc, although it does mean that they can hurt a bit after a lot of prolonged play, although, wearing especially thick socks helps that a lot. Plus ive gotten used to it. I wish i could use it as an excuse though....:(

I have normal arch on my feet, but they call me flat-footed whenever I play badminton and other sports! :D

That's funny, I'm actually flat footed, but I'm extremely athletic, playing sports my whole life. I also have a walking idiosyncrasy that I'm known for, I walk on the balls of my feet. All throughout high school I was known as 'Tip Toe' but it never really bothered me, it is just how I learned how to walk.

I'm flat-footed, it doesn't seem to affect me much, i think i've gotten used to it, becuase i don't even use special flat foot insoles for my shoes, i last longer than many people without flat foot and short sprints i go faster but longer spints i'm slower because of my shorter legs :p and i also recover slightly slower because of my weight compared to others

this might be a silly question, but how can you tell if you're flatfooted?

Wet your feet and place it on the ground. If the whole foot appears, you are flat footed. Only 65% of your full feet shoudl appear. That is normal. Flat footed is not a disease. Consider yourself lucky that you don't haf HongKong Foot.

Consider yourself lucky that you don't haf HongKong Foot.
:eek: :eek: and that is??

Sorry for my ignorance but what's the connection between flat-footedness and non-athleticism? Doesn't that even give more traction when barefoot? :confused:

I'm flat-footed, it doesn't seem to affect me much, i think i've gotten used to it, becuase i don't even use special flat foot insoles for my shoes, i last longer than many people without flat foot and short sprints i go faster but longer spints i'm slower because of my shorter legs :p and i also recover slightly slower because of my weight compared to others

well ... guess i am in a similar case as yours ...

i'm also flat-footed (really flat :o ) ... i used to experience a lot of pain after badminton practices especially when u start to run around a lot ... but got used to it after pushing myself to play regularly ...

i think weight really plays a part :( ... it hurts more if i accidentally stamped on the ground to retrieve a "net shot" (pardon me ... not really into technical terms yet) ... :confused:

I checked out www.flatfoot.com (http://www.flatfoot.com) and did the "wet test" to see if I really am flat-footed. I was surprised to see that I am not, because I checked the soles of my shoes and I have abnormal tread-wear :confused:


SHOE BREAK-DOWN & TREAD WEAR
http://flatfoot.com/images/footdiagramseries05.jpg A symptom to watch for is abnormal shoe wear. People with flat feet typically have shoes that break down the inside wall of the heel counter and outsoles (tread) that excessively wear down on the outside edge of the heel as well as the inside edge of the forefoot.

My shoes are like that! So how can this be?

It could be your footwork too. Most recreational players tend to stand too tall when they play and not consistently on their toes. When you move back to retrieve a punch clear, you probably dragged your heel alittle (wearing down the outer heel part) instead of springing back sideways.

I checked out www.flatfoot.com (http://www.flatfoot.com/) and did the "wet test" to see if I really am flat-footed. I was surprised to see that I am not, because I checked the soles of my shoes and I have abnormal tread-wear :confused:


SHOE BREAK-DOWN & TREAD WEAR
http://flatfoot.com/images/footdiagramseries05.jpg A symptom to watch for is abnormal shoe wear. People with flat feet typically have shoes that break down the inside wall of the heel counter and outsoles (tread) that excessively wear down on the outside edge of the heel as well as the inside edge of the forefoot.

My shoes are like that! So how can this be?

:crying: I recently started soccer(football) this summer and my ankles are killing me!

I was suggested to buy arch implants in my shoes but after reading about things like this i was concerned.

I was wondering if ne1 had some suggestions.

The first time i found out i was flat footed at my doctors office he didnt suggest nething.

HELP!:crying:
PS i would rather recieve an emailed responce rather then through the fromns at hemker24@yahoo.com

hiya ... actually its more towards how used to it are you ... I am also flat footed (real flat !! :crying: ) but i kinda got used to it so i can wear most of the cross training, badminton or even basketball shoes.... The main thing is that you dont feel pain of strain on your sole ...



:crying: I recently started soccer(football) this summer and my ankles are killing me!

I was suggested to buy arch implants in my shoes but after reading about things like this i was concerned.

I was wondering if ne1 had some suggestions.

The first time i found out i was flat footed at my doctors office he didnt suggest nething.

HELP!:crying:
PS i would rather recieve an emailed responce rather then through the fromns at hemker24@yahoo.com

hiya ... actually its more towards how used to it are you ... I am also flat footed (real flat !! :crying: ) but i kinda got used to it so i can wear most of the cross training, badminton or even basketball shoes.... The main thing is that you dont feel pain of strain on your sole ...

ok... so y am i the only one on the team that has really painful ankles?:confused:

ok... so y am i the only one on the team that has really painful ankles?:confused:

sorry .. i was trying to answer your question as to if u need an arch implant in your shoes ...

i meant that you do not need one if you think u r comfortable with your shoes now ... if not then u can try using the implant.... but take precaution as its pretty dangerous when u r jumping/ running around with your new implants cos u might not be used to it yet ... i tried but felt even more pain ....

I'm flat-footed and I was recommended an insole from Spenco from the orthopedist specialist i went to many years and have been wearing them ever since. Its cheaper than those custom made types which cost about USD$180 a pair! I have tried both the arch cushions and orthortic arch support and both are very good!


http://www.spenco.com/prod_footcare_greenarcus.html

The orthopedist specialist also mentioned that flat-footed people should maintain their body weight as light as possible especially during old age so that there is not too much pressure on the feet. Yes it is true, when i was at 68 kg, every step feels like your feet is breaking apart after walking for a short period of time. Now with regular exercise and healthy diet, have dropped 10 kg and I don't feel pain on my sole when walking for a long period of time.

Im flat footed but it doesnt really affect my badminton play.
I wear those pads you put in ur shoe, they are uncomfortable and sometimes painful at first as it feels like some bits are moving in ur foot but it gets better.

I dont think that flat footed people are non-athletic.

Wow :eek: .. u lost 10kg?? ... care to share your formula? hehe ... i can never seem to lose weight ... :crying:



I'm flat-footed and I was recommended an insole from Spenco from the orthopedist specialist i went to many years and have been wearing them ever since. Its cheaper than those custom made types which cost about USD$180 a pair! I have tried both the arch cushions and orthortic arch support and both are very good!


http://www.spenco.com/prod_footcare_greenarcus.html

The orthopedist specialist also mentioned that flat-footed people should maintain their body weight as light as possible especially during old age so that there is not too much pressure on the feet. Yes it is true, when i was at 68 kg, every step feels like your feet is breaking apart after walking for a short period of time. Now with regular exercise and healthy diet, have dropped 10 kg and I don't feel pain on my sole when walking for a long period of time.

hey man,

i feel the same way. never think that flat-foot makes one non-athletic :) ... its just that we need to work harder in means or methods to make us more comfortable thats all ... flat foot does not affect one's skills ... probably only slowing down our movements when Pain comes into the picture :( ...


Im flat footed but it doesnt really affect my badminton play.
I wear those pads you put in ur shoe, they are uncomfortable and sometimes painful at first as it feels like some bits are moving in ur foot but it gets better.

I dont think that flat footed people are non-athletic.

how do i tell am i flat footed or not?

hi ... very simple to check ...
just simply rest your sole on the ground and check if there is an arch at the inner side of your foot .. meaning if u r looking at your right foot, then the arch should be visible at the left side...

if there isnt any arching then welcome to the flat footed club :p


how do i tell am i flat footed or not?

hi ... very simple to check ...
just simply rest your sole on the ground and check if there is an arch at the inner side of your foot .. meaning if u r looking at your right foot, then the arch should be visible at the left side...

if there isnt any arching then welcome to the flat footed club :p

Oh! Okay Thz Alot

hi ... very simple to check ...
just simply rest your sole on the ground and check if there is an arch at the inner side of your foot .. meaning if u r looking at your right foot, then the arch should be visible at the left side...

if there isnt any arching then welcome to the flat footed club :p

That's not actually a good test.

Many people do not see a visible arch -- at least, not what they imagine an arch should look like. And so they falsely believe they are flat-footed.

A better test is this: stand on your tiptoes. If you can do this comfortably, then you are not flat-footed.

If you want more visible proof of an arch, see the shape of your footprint when your feet are wet. You are not flat-footed unless it leaves a complete foot outline.

I am flat footed, not those serious type but still hurt when running long distance. I am looking for sport shoe insole for flat footed quite sometime.

Can any kind soul tell me where can I get one in Singapore? :)

how many of us are flat footed badminton players?

flat-footed-ness is usually associated with non-athleticism. i was told that Chinese athletic schools will reject students who are flatfooted. i wonder how that actually affect a game.

it affects everything - a flat-footed player is always a split-second or even a second late gettng from one place to another. and you just by listening to a player's footsteps during a game if he or she is flat-footed. their whole foot touches the floor with every step making it sound like their stomping around the court. it's curable though. you only need to practice walking around on tiptoes and doing footwork drills. one thing that really helps is doing that thing we usually see in movies where soldiers in training run through a field covered with tires. it's guaranteed to fix flat-footedness. :)

i really dont think flat feet play any role in making u crappy or good....im flat feeted, i won western ontario conference last year....but it affected my knee alot, my knee cap was rubbing my other bone due to a enlarged muscle in the inside of my legs like the groin area but lower......i had to go to physio....they teach me to do excersise to make my outer bum muscle to be stronger so it will balance the two muscles....after a month i was fine....if you are flat feeted i suggest you get orthopedics...they have helped me alot, i just wear them when i play sports. i think u can get just as much speed as people wiht an arc, the effort difference is minimal....and what the guy above me say, i dont think that fixes flat footedness lol, that just makes u build ur leg muscles when u play badminton and play on ur tiptoes more easily, doesnt fix ur flat foot.

Yes, but I am actually pretty good at sports. Its weird I know. :confused:

me not flat-footed :) I play badminton and love to jump like a monkey all the time haha lol

I'm not flat-footed, I like jumping alot as well (probably because I'm only 145cm :crying: :crying: :crying: ). :) :D :p

im flat footed.
it sucks cuz most times when i play badminton, my feet will ache soo much that i have to stop and let it rest. i dont find that having flat feet makes me slower but causes more pain.

feet ache? why? do u have orthodics? cuz i do and when i tie my shoe super tight they hurt wiht the orthodics in them...

fortunately,i have a normal foot..i guess for those flat footed people who love the sport will have the chance to enjoy the game more.(by not thinking the false news that they couldnt be athletic coz theyre flat footed.)they still have the right to play whavever sports they like and love.period.;)

I strongly agree with what Baddict 2006 said.. Me myself has flat feet but i still enjoy the game by thinking the positive side. I used to think negatively and it deeply affected my performance.. but when i change the thinking of mine, so does my performance.. It got better den ever

It's all in ur mine.. hahax

Oops.. *mind.. wrong spelling

I strongly agree with what Baddict 2006 said.. Me myself has flat feet but i still enjoy the game by thinking the positive side. I used to think negatively and it deeply affected my performance.. but when i change the thinking of mine, so does my performance.. It got better den ever

Look into ordotics, I'm sure they can help you.

Look into ordotics, I'm sure they can help you.

What is ordotics? :confused:

What is ordotics? :confused:

Sorry, my bad, I forgot to check over what I wrote. It's orthodics.

IM not flat footed but I now have shin splints on both legs. Left leg is constantly aching.

Im training 4 times a week, running on Saturdays plus normal roster.

IM not flat footed but I now have shin splints on both legs. Left leg is constantly aching.

Im training 4 times a week, running on Saturdays plus normal roster.
Shin splints are almost invariably a symptom of biomechanical problems in the foot.

Regular high-impact activity will aggravate the condition, but is unlikely to be the original cause.

Like you, I had shin splints. I got some custom-made orthotic insoles and the problem has almost disappeared.

Although you do not have flat feet, you almost certainly have a biomechanical problem in your feet and legs. Once a joint is out of alignment, it cannot cope with normal loading and shin splints are a typical development.

Knee pain is also often caused by incorrect joint alignment in the walking gait. For example, external rotation of the lower leg combines with internal rotation of the upper leg to cause stress on the knee. This is the condition of being splay-footed. The reverse can also happen (pigeon-footed).

All of these problems have their source in the feet and walking gait.

After training las night my legs were aching and hurting. This morning both ankles are stiff. I am going to get better inner soles for my baddie shoes and see what happens.

Take antinflammatories as well. Exercises and Ice.

I cant rest for the next two months, playing in three tournaments.

hmm is it true if you wear slippers and sandals alot you can GET flatfeet because of the lack of cushioning? or is it heriditary and stuff

That is true it can lead to flat feet if you wear shoes without a lot of arch support.

That is true it can lead to flat feet if you wear shoes without a lot of arch support.

Isn't it something you're born with? :confused:

hmm is it true if you wear slippers and sandals alot you can GET flatfeet because of the lack of cushioning? or is it heriditary and stuff

True (or completely) flat feet are hereditary and depend on the bone structure of the foot. This form of flat feet is relatively rare.

Partial flat feet can develop from other biomechanical problems, such as ineffective use of the small arch-supporting muscles. These are most easily corrected at an early age using orthotic insoles.

The best way to avoid children developing flat feet, however, is to get them running around barefoot in lots of natural outdoor environments, such as woods and beaches. Flat feet are almost non-existent in tribes of people who do not wear shoes (eg. the Masai, whom many experts consider to represent the peak of biomechanical perfection in human walking and running).

is there a way to cure Flat-foot without expensive orthodics

is there a way to cure Flat-foot without expensive orthodics

No.

(Or at least, rarely.)

They are not that expensive. Mine were probably top quality (included a sophisticated orthotic assessment), but only cost £200 - £250.

Your feet are a good thing to invest in ;)

No.

(Or at least, rarely.)

They are not that expensive. Mine were probably top quality (included a sophisticated orthotic assessment), but only cost £200 - £250.

Your feet are a good thing to invest in ;) Dude thats expensive i am 15 and i just bought a NS 9000X and i think i will wait a while before i ask my parents anything big again...

Dude thats expensive i am 15 and i just bought a NS 9000X and i think i will wait a while before i ask my parents anything big again...
Well, fair enough.

But before you buy another expensive racket, perhaps think about your feet!

Also, note that parents are often willing to spend much more money on medical expenses than on presents ;)

it affects everything - a flat-footed player is always a split-second or even a second late gettng from one place to another. and you just by listening to a player's footsteps during a game if he or she is flat-footed. their whole foot touches the floor with every step making it sound like their stomping around the court. it's curable though. you only need to practice walking around on tiptoes and doing footwork drills. one thing that really helps is doing that thing we usually see in movies where soldiers in training run through a field covered with tires. it's guaranteed to fix flat-footedness. :)

SO do you think it is actually possible to cure flat feet? - is this from personal experience. - I always wanted good strong arches instead of having the "flattest feet I have ever seen" to quote the physio we had when I was 16!!! - tried various insoles & exercizes but in the end she told me just to go out and play and not think about it.
Kind of agree with your first point unfortunately. Not so sure tha you could "cure" my flat feet but I would like to be proved wrong -Jamie

fortunately,i have a normal foot..i guess for those flat footed people who love the sport will have the chance to enjoy the game more.(by not thinking the false news that they couldnt be athletic coz theyre flat footed.)they still have the right to play whavever sports they like and love.period.;)

Thank you for your comments - you are lucky that you have normal arches. I have severe flat feet and always felt kind of embarassed about it - so am not that into posts about how you cant join the army if u have flat feet etc. Have had enough remarks about it - it was the joke in our team when I was at school and the physio said she had never seen such flat feet as mine! Guess it did make me slower and after 20 minutes the aching was always bad - but like you say I just have to enjoy it as far as possible. Cheers mate,
Jamie

True (or completely) flat feet are hereditary and depend on the bone structure of the foot. This form of flat feet is relatively rare.

Partial flat feet can develop from other biomechanical problems, such as ineffective use of the small arch-supporting muscles. These are most easily corrected at an early age using orthotic insoles.

The best way to avoid children developing flat feet, however, is to get them running around barefoot in lots of natural outdoor environments, such as woods and beaches. Flat feet are almost non-existent in tribes of people who do not wear shoes (eg. the Masai, whom many experts consider to represent the peak of biomechanical perfection in human walking and running).

So do you think having flat feet is a disadvantage then, - in temrs of performance - I think we all accept it does not look too great and I say that as a someone with severe flat feet...JAmie

im flat footed.... never realised until now, it explains a few things.

So do you think having flat feet is a disadvantage then, - in temrs of performance - I think we all accept it does not look too great and I say that as a someone with severe flat feet...JAmie

In my view, true flat feet are a disadvantage in badminton, because they:


Reduce the shock absorption that arches provide;
Reduce the ability of the feet to push off from the ground, and therefore reduce the speed of movement.I believe that persons with flat feet are at greater risk of developing joint problems, because of the lack of normal shock absorbing actions of the feet. I think these persons should be especially careful to choose low-impact exercise in preference to high-impact exercise wherever possible.

I am not an expert on this subject, however, so you may take my opinion lightly ;)

From experience, I know that it is possible to increase force absorbtion abilities in your lower legs, as well as using that force to push off powerfully. These things are trained while doing plantar flexor stiffness drills, which primarily work the calves, but develop the muscles in the feet as well.

That leads me to this question - are most cases of flat feet really just cases of poor conditioning of the lower legs? I'm thinking that perhaps some people just haven't developed their force absorbtion ability, so whenever their feet land it slaps the ground instead of landing quietly.

It just seems that a lot of people say they have flat feet as an excuse for why they move slowly or inefficiently on court.

That leads me to this question - are most cases of flat feet really just cases of poor conditioning of the lower legs? I'm thinking that perhaps some people just haven't developed their force absorbtion ability, so whenever their feet land it slaps the ground instead of landing quietly.

It just seems that a lot of people say they have flat feet as an excuse for why they move slowly or inefficiently on court.
I think your analysis/guess is spot on.

Like I said, true flat feet are comparatively rare. Even doctors sometimes misdiagnose flat feet, or fail to explain that they only mean partial flat feet.

My flat feet were due not to any fundamental problem; they were due to my under-developed muscles and poor neurological control of the feet. This goes way back to when I suffered severe ME and could not walk for some months. I believe that when I relearned how to walk, I did not learn very well.

To a considerable extent, physiotherapy and orthotic insoles have resolved the problem; I no longer seem to have flat feet.

I strongly advise anyone who thinks he has flat feet, to have a proper assessment with an orthotist/podiatrist. Consulting a physio can also be helpful.

Do not assume that, because you have once been labelled as "flat footed", that you possess an incurable conditon. In most cases, so-called flat footedness responds well to simple treatment.

so what kind of exercizes did you do - was it hard - I would really like to get a good arch in my feet aesthetically as well as for health reasons

so what kind of exercizes did you do - was it hard - I would really like to get a good arch in my feet aesthetically as well as for health reasons
I didn't do many exercises; they were not difficult.

For me, it was necessary to learn how to arch the foot correctly. Insoles helped a lot too.

I think you are unlikely to change the visible shape of your feet much, however. Mine don't really look any different. It's more about learning to use the small muscles in your feet, and not about changing the shape of your feet.

The exercises I was thinking of are force absorbtion drops - they are the most basic and fundamental of plyometric exercises.

It begins with with a small hop into the air or stepping off of a low box and then landing on both feet. What you should aim to do is land softly and quietly. Think of how a good gymnast lands after performing some kind of move - they "stick" the landing and are able to stay balanced. This is a pass/fail type of thing, either you have a good landing or a bad one (e.g. your feet slap the floor, they make a thumping sound or you lose your balance). It's all about progression - once you get good at the landing, you can increase the difficulty.

The first progression is to add some movement. Get your body moving forwards, backwards, sideways or spinning as you land. This way you'll be teaching your body to land and absorb forces coming in multiple directions.

The second progression is to vary your landing positions. Initially, you can start with the squat position. Later, you can add such positions as the split squat (lunge), wider or closer stance squat, and eventually single leg landings.

Finally, the third progression is to increase the loading by increasing the momentum that has to be stopped while you land. The first method would be to add some weight to your landing. The second would be to increase your speed at landing either by dropping from a greater height or using a heavy elastic band to "slingshot" you towards the ground. This stage is considered very advanced, and it would be best to have a decent level of strength (typically a mininum of 1.5x bodyweight squat) before trying these.

What's interesting is that a lot of these skills are seen in young children playing at a park. They'll run, hop, jump off the play structure, etc. I guess the thing is that these days a lot of kids might choose playing video games over playing in the park, so these abilities may be less developed than when tv or computers weren't around.

Thank you for the advice - actually quite different to the apporach I was given to trying to develop my arches when I was a teenager. Hopefully it might help us out.

Don't really agree that we use being flat-footed as an excuse for being slower though - when I was I was by our coach told I had the worst case of flat feet she had ever seen which has made me pretty self-conscious about it (although I do agree it looks terrible:mad: ). So - with this negative perception do not really agree with you saying flat feet are used as an excuse for being slow. Assume you do not have flat feet yourself - so from my experience of severe discomfort when playing it does slow you down when it the (often severe discomfort) starts. Obviously you think there are ways of improving it which is great...so as I said, that is great. Equally there are some people with flat feet who just have to get on with it as well as possible.

I am extremely flatfooted. But I find that the use of orthotics can help and most of the time it doesn't bother me when I play badminton, unless I forget to put them in. Then it hurts.:crying:

Thank you for the advice - actually quite different to the apporach I was given to trying to develop my arches when I was a teenager. Hopefully it might help us out.

Don't really agree that we use being flat-footed as an excuse for being slower though

You don't use it as an excuse, but some people -- who do not have true flat feet -- do.

is there a way to cure Flat-foot without expensive orthodics
I used to have flat feet and then I bought a pair of Birkenstock sandals. The first three days of wearing them were TORTURE -- the bottoms of my feet swelled so much that my "arches" were the only things hitting the ground -- but after that, I started to notice an arch developing. Many years later, my arches are quite pronounced and rather lovely. Your Mileage May Vary, but it worked for me. Good luck!

I know flat footed people that doesn't make extra-efforts
are way less performing than normal-footed people (no offence on the word "normal"
I got the Normal-Type feet. A friend of mine (almost 6') cant
touch the ring of a basketball basket,
but I (5'9") can, thus due to his flat foot I guess,
He is kinda in-shape, too. It's not like i took an
example of a mega-obese guy ;)

Flat feet not as athletic?...

I can compete and sprint faster than the people with archs. Also i have an exceptional ability to jump quite far :)

Flat feet not as athletic?...

I can compete and sprint faster than the people with archs. Also i have an exceptional ability to jump quite far :)

thus due to your training, if you compete.
For sure, there are exceptions.
but the majority aren't as good

thus due to your training, if you compete.
For sure, there are exceptions.
but the majority aren't as good

Actually, i don't train at all. I just come out of nowwhere during school track and field or just gym exercises and beat everyone.

But like you said, there are exceptions.

my friend played badminton and is now running on x-country... hes flat footed...

if flatfootedness is viewed as non-athletic.. shouldnt asthmatic people also be viewed as non-athletic? ive been hospitalized from asthma a few times wen i was younger, now i run a 4-5 miles at a quick pace without crapping out at all.. but i can still feel the asthma

with enough training and determination... one can overcome these limitations, theres no doubt you have to work alot harder than those that dont have these obstacles.. so dont give up people!! theres is hope for everyone if youre willing to give it some WORK.. go people!! lolz

great speech, nice

You have to know that the person with an advantage and
that trains also can overcome other people. It will start itching you
to know you are flat-flooted, but blame your loses (if you lose a lot)
on other things, and try to focus on the game.. i once blamed every
thing on my wrist, then lol i knew it was wrong. Just some advice after
reading this thread..

get orthodontics for your feet, i have them just that they cost around 200-300 dollars lol! but it's worth it because yeah..

Interesting discussion and as a podiatrist and raqueteer, one close to my heart. You may be interested to know that those with pes planus have been shown to be high achievers.
From The Age (http://theage.com.au/articles/2005/07/13/1120934305771.html?oneclick=true)newspaper:

Flat-footed 'are high achievers'
By Harriet Alexander
July 14, 2005

Flat-Footed people suffer pain, cannot join the army and are perceived as physically inept. But research on flat-footed children shows they can jump 15 per cent higher than average children and have equally good balance and motor skills. The only area they performed worse in was "lateral hopping" - hopping sideways over a piece of string.

Dara Twomey, a University of NSW biomechanics researcher, decided to study flat feet after working as a physical education teacher for 10 years and noticing that more children seemed to have them.

She was startled by her results. "I was expecting to find that they would be worse (at jumping). I didn't think they would be able to take off the ground as easily."

Flat feet can be rigid, where there is no discernible arch, or flexible, where the arch appears when the foot is lifted from the floor. They can be caused by such factors as obesity and genetics, and people who have them are more likely to get foot, knee and lower back pain.

The study tested 54 children aged between nine and 12, half with flat feet and half with normal arches, with exercises such as balancing on one leg, hopping over a string and jumping. Each child was fitted with 17 retro-reflective devices between the knee and the foot, which monitored the interaction of their joints. and Flat-feet can jump higher

July 14, 2005

BEING flat-footed doesn't mean you are a nerd who shouldn't be allowed near a sporting field - in fact, it can be an advantage in some physical activities.

Dara Twomey, a University of NSW biomechanics researcher, has discovered that children with flat feet can jump up to 15 per cent higher than average in a standard vertical jump test.

The "highly detailed" comparison of 27 flat-footed children and 27 children with normally arched feet, all aged between 9 and 12, revealed that those with flat feet had stronger lower calf muscles.

No difference was found between the groups' ability to balance in normal standing, with eyes closed, on one leg, or on a wobble board.

However, the flat-footed children had difficulty with lateral hopping when asked to hop sideways over a low obstacle as many times as possible in 30 seconds.

Those with normal arches averaged 52; those with low arches only reached 40 hops.

"Further research is needed to determine why having low arches helps you to jump better, or why it hinders your lateral hopping ability," Ms Twomey said.

"But we now know that in terms of performance outcomes, there's no major disadvantage in low-arched feet."

The tests were performed in the UNSW Gait Analysis Laboratory to determine if flat feet affected children's performance of gross motor skills.

Retro-reflective markers were put at key points on the children's bodies to present three-dimensional images on a computer screen.

The children who took part in the research believed having flat feet was a physical disadvantage, and this might be affecting them psychologically, Ms Twomey said.

"Their perception was that they weren't able to perform as well ... their perception is wrong," she said.

"Children with flat feet may be disadvantaged by the stigma."

Having flat feet certainly hasn't stopped the Natoli twins from excelling in sports.

Daniella and Chiara, 13, participated in Ms Twomey's research.

They have played waterpolo and netball since they were four and their team, the Opals, won the Randwick netball competition for first grade under-13s.

"It's not a big issue for us," Daniella said. "After netball, my feet just get a bit sore."

Imelda Natoli said her daughters' feet "haven't inhibited them at all".

Of course flat feet can also be caused by ankle ligament damage - not unknown in badminton players and in these cases, the condition is considerably more disabling.

Another thought on foot problems and badminton. Having recently changed my court shoes to Yonex from a substantially cheaper brand, I have sustained two lateral ankle sprains which have kept me out of action for several weeks. The Yonex shoes have substantially more lateral support and whilst this helps stability in most instances, when the ankle is inverted significantly, the lateral rigidity of the shoe actually increases the lateral ankle movement and produces a significantly worse ligament sprain/tear.

Anyone else had similar experiences?

MR

i have a problem, when i dont wear my customized orthos from my doctor i over pronate but when i do while playing badminton i under pronate... is this because the orthos werent made for sports?

What you must understand is pronation is a neccessary part of foot function. You say you over pronate normally when walking, yet under pronate when playing badminton. Your feet are doing different things! During a badminton game you will predominately be on the balls of your feet with your heels off the ground - in that position your subtalor joint will be supinated which effectively 'locks' the midtarsal joints and allows your foot to act as a rigid lever. The pronatory movement occurs when you need your foot as a shock abosrber - when you jump smash and land on your feet then fall back on your heels for instance. When walking your feet will be more relaxed and end range pronation is more likely to occur. What you describe is a perfectly normal function of the foot. Generally speaking, in most cases I would not advocate wearing your orthoses during play as this will possibly lead to ankle inversion sprains especially where the devices are high arched fully compensated orthoses.

my friend played badminton and is now running on x-country... hes flat footed...

if flatfootedness is viewed as non-athletic.. shouldnt asthmatic people also be viewed as non-athletic? ive been hospitalized from asthma a few times wen i was younger, now i run a 4-5 miles at a quick pace without crapping out at all.. but i can still feel the asthma

with enough training and determination... one can overcome these limitations, theres no doubt you have to work alot harder than those that dont have these obstacles.. so dont give up people!! theres is hope for everyone if youre willing to give it some WORK.. go people!! lolz

Haha, I have always been an asthmatic and I have flat foots. I have to train harder than everyone because of my asthma but I'm still able to play loooong games. The new point system is better for asthmatic imo. Makes the games shorter.

Even if I'm gasping for air and my chest is burning(can't breathe), I never give up and it's giving results.

NO PAIN NO GAIN.

i believe the army dont accept flat footed people too!

I dont think flat-foot causes problems all the time. There are some of the best badminton and squash players who are flat footed. Some of my basketballers are too.

It's just that if you are, you may want to consider careful selection of your insoles (preformed or custom-made) or shoes. Moreso if you have recurrent injuries in the hip, knees, legs, ankle and foot. Definitely, a visit to the physiotherapist, podiatrist, biomechanist or sports physician may help with your gait assessment (bring your shoes!). See the topic "Footwear and My Feet" at http://sportsnmedicine.blogspot.com.

I still believe flat footed people like me can be very active in sports!

I am flat footed and I kinda move around the court like crazy when im on the offensive and the opponent hitting the shuttle deep into the corners. Im very active.... But does flat footedness have any relations to knee pain?? After a two hour session of badminton, I find that when I do a lot of lunges to hit the shuttle say from a steep drop at the net, the next day my knees especially my right knee (Im right footed/handed) has a little pain. But this pain goes away the next day. This happens every week but wasnt sure if only flat footed ppl have this pain. Just a thought.

Goku999,
You need to have a physiotherapist or podiatrist look at your feet and your footwear. Bring your old shoes to them. Most of my athletes who had such problems solved them with proper insoles, addressing the muscle imbalance issues (hamstring & quadriceps), patella mobilisation, core stability (back / pelvis). You may also need to address your footwork and approach. Cut down on the lunges if you can. Dont work hard on it everyday. Ice after training regularly.

I suspect that you would be having patellofemoral joint pain syndrome with possible patella tendinopathy. You can have a look at some of the articles in my blog at http://sportsnmedicine.blogspot.com on knee pain.

Regards,

sportsdoc

Goku999,
You need to have a physiotherapist or podiatrist look at your feet and your footwear. Bring your old shoes to them. Most of my athletes who had such problems solved them with proper insoles, addressing the muscle imbalance issues (hamstring & quadriceps), patella mobilisation, core stability (back / pelvis). You may also need to address your footwork and approach. Cut down on the lunges if you can. Dont work hard on it everyday. Ice after training regularly.

I suspect that you would be having patellofemoral joint pain syndrome with possible patella tendinopathy. You can have a look at some of the articles in my blog at http://sportsnmedicine.blogspot.com on knee pain.

Regards,

sportsdoc Thanks for the info doc :).
I have been wearing an insole (orthoheel) for flat feet in both shoes for bout a year know. As before I had foot pain near the arch whilst running or jumping etc. I wear it also whilst playing badminton. If the pain gets worse then I may consider a knee strap.

Thanks

hello!
Jagshemash?

ok guys, i've found a book in my dad's cabinet called "Corrective gymnastics" (on my language though), my dad used to teach sports medicine for future coaches and therapists.

It says that preventive action is very important when it comes to flat feet. Therefore, strengthening your feet musculature is important. These changes on feet are usually caught in their first phase which makes it possible to confront this deformation and in most cases people can stop any further development of flat feet. Of course, if it's some higher degree of deformation, it's best to go to your doctor and have a robotic splint made. Because people don't have exactly the same feet and deformation.
Besides getting your splints made, it is recommended to walk bare feet on rough ground, such as gravel, especially when you go to the seaside on a vacation. :)

I'll scan later today a few pages of the book for you to see the exercises mentioned.

Later dudez and dudettes

here are only the first 4 pages. 10 more the go.

yea on pg 1 those feet r gross LOL >.<

Hi, I found this blog about these new insoles for flat feet (overpronation). You may want to check it out. Here is the link:
http://myflatfeet.blogspot.com/
The insoles are thin, don't have arch support but raised wedge under the big toe. That does the trick and builds up the muscles in your arc and also controls your posture. Neat.

Me not flat foot!

Ok I know this is an old thread but i just have to say this. I've played volleyball for seven years, starting in high school. I'm a guy and I jump pretty high so my legs take a pounding during games. Playing for my college club team, I began suffering from foot soreness and patella tendonitis (basically pain right below the kneecap). I thought it was Jumper's Knee, so I bought all kinds of fancy knee braces. The braces helped but didn't solve the knee pain.

I always knew I had flat feet, but didn't think it was a serious problem. Two days ago I went to my doctor for a regular checkup and mentioned the knee pain. He asked me to stand barefoot, and was horrified at how flat my foot arches were. Basically the entire bottom of my foot was flush to the ground and my ankles were severely pronated. The good doc wrote me a referral to a podiatrist to get some custom arch support insoles.

However, I had a v-ball tourney scheduled for today so I wanted to address the problem immediately. I stopped by a Walgreens and bought an arch support half-insole, it kinda looks like this... http://www.myfootshop.com/images/products/893_orthotic.jpg
They're light as a feather and only cost 9 dollars, put them in my volleyball shoes, played 4 matches in the day.

WOW. I just finished the tourney (my team won), I'm relaxing expecting the usual foot soreness and knee tendon pain, and theres NONE!!! My legs feel tired but my feet and knee joints feel like I spent the day swimming, not jumping 2 feet into the air and crashing down hundreds of time in a few hours. THIS HAS BEEN A REVELATION. I will wear arch insoles for the rest of my life and I can't believe I didn't start wearing them years ago.

My advice for every flat footed person on EARTH... it doesn't matter if you play volleyball, basketball, badminton or poker, GET ARCH INSOLES. Stop by any pharmacy like a Walgreens or Eckerd or Rite Aid. There will be different styles, gel insoles, foam or rubber. Try 'em on and get the one you like. It will only cost about ten dollars and it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Any flat footed person here have a job as a waiter or clerk where you have to stand all day? Get arch insoles and say goodbye to the pain forever. (Well you still have to work at the job but at least your feet won't hurt anymore. I work at a supermarket so I know the pain)

Last point: Your podiatrist can make custom insoles for you, but they'll probably be hard plastic; fully rigid insoles aren't as comfy. Plus I don't think typical health insurance covers custom insoles. Instead of playing 100+ dollars for a custom rigid insole, grab the ten dollar foam ones that are nearly as good and can flex with the shoe.

Ok I know this is an old thread but i just have to say this. I've played volleyball for seven years, starting in high school. I'm a guy and I jump pretty high so my legs take a pounding during games. Playing for my college club team, I began suffering from foot soreness and patella tendonitis (basically pain right below the kneecap). I thought it was Jumper's Knee, so I bought all kinds of fancy knee braces. The braces helped but didn't solve the knee pain.

I always knew I had flat feet, but didn't think it was a serious problem. Two days ago I went to my doctor for a regular checkup and mentioned the knee pain. He asked me to stand barefoot, and was horrified at how flat my foot arches were. Basically the entire bottom of my foot was flush to the ground and my ankles were severely pronated. The good doc wrote me a referral to a podiatrist to get some custom arch support insoles.

However, I had a v-ball tourney scheduled for today so I wanted to address the problem immediately. I stopped by a Walgreens and bought an arch support half-insole, it kinda looks like this... http://www.myfootshop.com/images/products/893_orthotic.jpg
They're light as a feather and only cost 9 dollars, put them in my volleyball shoes, played 4 matches in the day.

WOW. I just finished the tourney (my team won), I'm relaxing expecting the usual foot soreness and knee tendon pain, and theres NONE!!! My legs feel tired but my feet and knee joints feel like I spent the day swimming, not jumping 2 feet into the air and crashing down hundreds of time in a few hours. THIS HAS BEEN A REVELATION. I will wear arch insoles for the rest of my life and I can't believe I didn't start wearing them years ago.

My advice for every flat footed person on EARTH... it doesn't matter if you play volleyball, basketball, badminton or poker, GET ARCH INSOLES. Stop by any pharmacy like a Walgreens or Eckerd or Rite Aid. There will be different styles, gel insoles, foam or rubber. Try 'em on and get the one you like. It will only cost about ten dollars and it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Any flat footed person here have a job as a waiter or clerk where you have to stand all day? Get arch insoles and say goodbye to the pain forever. (Well you still have to work at the job but at least your feet won't hurt anymore. I work at a supermarket so I know the pain)

Last point: Your podiatrist can make custom insoles for you, but they'll probably be hard plastic; fully rigid insoles aren't as comfy. Plus I don't think typical health insurance covers custom insoles. Instead of playing 100+ dollars for a custom rigid insole, grab the ten dollar foam ones that are nearly as good and can flex with the shoe.

Good point indeed, I don't use custom insoles but I use custom orthos for my feet and if I had to spend a 1000 dollars on my feet. I will..just because it's part of your body and you want to take care of it. I would agree with you on the arch supports because they are fairly cheap and from the sounds of this product it seems to be quite good. Here I will also suggest a way to relieve from high arch, flat feet,etc. The answer is...custom orthos. I know they are very expensive, ranging to the few hundred dollar mark. To be honest I have to say using these my feet don't get sore after a 30 minute walk around the streets. They help me in badminton because of the support on my feet. And if you have a health insurance that covers medical things such as braces, orthos for teeth,feet etc. Try to ask if that company will cover the cost of the orthos. I just think that custom orthos might be better than the arch supports, I may be right I may be wrong. I thought about this, everyone has different feet so a typical arch support might not be able to support everyone's need. So that's why I suggest trying custom orthos. Or just buy these arch supports to see how they go. And yes..definately get these arch supports if you don't want to spend too much on custom orthos.

i actualy think flatfooted does have to do with athleticism. if your born to be a good athlete. you really dont need to be taught to move on your tippy toes? lol i forgot what the front of ur foot is called.

i actualy think flatfooted does have to do with athleticism. if your born to be a good athlete. you really dont need to be taught to move on your tippy toes? lol i forgot what the front of ur foot is called.

The balls of your feet possibly?

My advice for every flat footed person on EARTH... it doesn't matter if you play volleyball, basketball, badminton or poker, GET ARCH INSOLES. Stop by any pharmacy like a Walgreens or Eckerd or Rite Aid. There will be different styles, gel insoles, foam or rubber. Try 'em on and get the one you like. It will only cost about ten dollars and it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Any flat footed person here have a job as a waiter or clerk where you have to stand all day? Get arch insoles and say goodbye to the pain forever. (Well you still have to work at the job but at least your feet won't hurt anymore. I work at a supermarket so I know the pain)

Last point: Your podiatrist can make custom insoles for you, but they'll probably be hard plastic; fully rigid insoles aren't as comfy. Plus I don't think typical health insurance covers custom insoles. Instead of playing 100+ dollars for a custom rigid insole, grab the ten dollar foam ones that are nearly as good and can flex with the shoe.Great, if you want to take a risk with your health. If you have a lower limb biomechanical problem and you feel the local supermarket can provide you with the same expertise as professionals who daily prescribe devices for problem feet and legs, that's fine, but it's not generally the advice I would give to those serious about their body or their sport. That said, there are a number of recent RCT studies which observe there is little difference in clinical outcomes for the treatment of plantar fasciitis with custom -v- prefabricated orthoses, although the latter type of device was not the kind you buy at the local Walmart. Much also depends on the ability of the clinician who examines you and their experience in dealing with a dysfunctioning foot in a high impact sport. My advice would be therefore, to seek out a podiatrist who specialises in sports biomechanics and can offer you all the various treatment modalities and give an indication of their effectiveness. BTW good custom orthoses are usually made from composite graphite and will cost anything between $400 and $1400 ;)

Great, if you want to take a risk with your health. If you have a lower limb biomechanical problem and you feel the local supermarket can provide you with the same expertise as professionals who daily prescribe devices for problem feet and legs, that's fine, but it's not generally the advice I would give to those serious about their body or their sport. That said, there are a number of recent RCT studies which observe there is little difference in clinical outcomes for the treatment of plantar fasciitis with custom -v- prefabricated orthoses, although the latter type of device was not the kind you buy at the local Walmart. Much also depends on the ability of the clinician who examines you and their experience in dealing with a dysfunctioning foot in a high impact sport. My advice would be therefore, to seek out a podiatrist who specialises in sports biomechanics and can offer you all the various treatment modalities and give an indication of their effectiveness. BTW good custom orthoses are usually made from composite graphite and will cost anything between $400 and $1400 ;)

That's true...I just need custom orthos--mine around around $200-$400 range. All I know it's customized and works 100% for me.:D I never heard about composite graphite =( maybe I should ask that store that makes custom orthos for me XD.

Hi, I found this blog about these new insoles for flat feet (overpronation). You may want to check it out. Here is the link:
http://myflatfeet.blogspot.com/
The insoles are thin, don't have arch support but raised wedge under the big toe. That does the trick and builds up the muscles in your arc and also controls your posture. Neat.Would absolutely not recommend these insoles - this particular blog is nothing more than a marketing ploy from the distributors of 'posture control insoles' a crank device which is claimed to work by stimulating the nerves in the feet. The insoles are marketed predominately by a Prof Brian Rothbart - a podiatrist who had his practising license revoked in the USA for fraud and misrepresentation. He now works in europe and sells these insoles, which he claims cures all ills from infertility to dental pain :eek: and uses the internet to promote them. Rothbart is a conman and snake oil salesman par extraordinaire. Avoid at all cost.

75% of runners are flat feet

how'd it affect? i'd been playing running all type of sports for years with flat feet but never given me any probs xD

I am flat footed, and I do find badminton shoes uncomfortable because of that. I use volleyball shoes which has more arch support, along with contoured gel soles

wouldnt arch support make you feel more uncomfortable? it's like something pressing against my flat sole <_>

wouldnt arch support make you feel more uncomfortable? it's like something pressing against my flat sole <_>

I guess it depends on the degree of how flat footed you are. Since it is more natural to have an arch, for me it feels better, and I can move better; admittedly though, you have to get used to it in the beginning, but the adjustment is still better than moving about a lot with the flat foot.

I had to wear customized orthopedic soles when I was a kid just to be able to endure sports activities, as my feet would really be in such pain, even from long walks without the support

I guess it depends on the degree of how flat footed you are. Since it is more natural to have an arch, for me it feels better, and I can move better; admittedly though, you have to get used to it in the beginning, but the adjustment is still better than moving about a lot with the flat foot.

I had to wear customized orthopedic soles when I was a kid just to be able to endure sports activities, as my feet would really be in such pain, even from long walks without the support

Same thing happened here-except it wasn't soles it's some thing you slide inside your shoe. Yes, at first the orthos will not feel that comfortable but you'll get used to it eventually.

A much more interesting question is how many players develop hallux limitus (loss of dorsiflexion of the big toe) which is much more indicative of adverse clinical pathology. Studies show tht high impact sports such as badminton, squash, sprinting & etc are more likely to cause functional hallux limitus where there is contributory fators like flatfeet and medially deviated subtalor axis, but players can also develop structural hallux limitus which is caused by trauma to the big toe joint and a resultant increase in tensile stiffness which may lead to osteoarthritis and eventual joint fusion. To check if you suffer from this, stand and pull the big toe upwards. You should have about 70-90 degrees of movement relative to the metatarsal. If not.....:crying:.....see your podiatrist!

i think mine's pretty normal but what really gets me is that mine pretty wide in front like duck's feet. it annoys the hell out coz its just absolute horror to find shoes that fits all-round. i have to tied the lace hard out so the shoes gripping my feet otherwise it will move forward/backward. u guys have this kinda prob? mine's prob very very wide so any shoes usually dont last long and its always the front outer side =(

If you have problem with your feet or you need knee braces, I would suggest you go to a qualified podiatrist and get a biomechanical examination. The podiatrist is qualified to treat your problem, somethimes with custom made orthotics.
I have had problems with my knees for years which forced me to use knee braces all the time. After seeing a podiatrist who made me a pair of cutom made orthotics, I no longer use any knee braces. Having used one pair of custom made orthotics for 4 years, I knew it was time to have a new pair when my right knee needed a knee brace. After fitting the new pair the right knee brace is now no longer needed.
I strongly suggest to any of you who have to use knee braces to have a proper biomechanical examination of your feet, ankles and knees by a podiatrist. Wearing knee braces is symptomatic of some biomechanical problem with your feet that distribute your body/impact load unevenly, hence the need for knee braces which are merely bandaids that do not solve and correct the root problem.

has anybody tried barefoot science?

I thought I was , but in fact I am not hehe, I am so glad .

If I step on water and tread a path on the floor, it will look flat.
Looking at the wear on the soles of my leather shoes, I'm not.

I'm confused! :confused:

Rothbart is a conman and snake oil salesman par extraordinaire.
Reminds me of a very well-known, very successful and very despised Chinese coach :p

I just want to draw everyone's attention to the best advice here:

If you have problem with your feet or you need knee braces, I would suggest you go to a qualified podiatrist and get a biomechanical examination. The podiatrist is qualified to treat your problem, somethimes with custom made orthotics.

A much more interesting question is how many players develop hallux limitus (loss of dorsiflexion of the big toe) which is much more indicative of adverse clinical pathology. Studies show tht high impact sports such as badminton, squash, sprinting & etc are more likely to cause functional hallux limitus where there is contributory fators like flatfeet and medially deviated subtalor axis, but players can also develop structural hallux limitus which is caused by trauma to the big toe joint and a resultant increase in tensile stiffness which may lead to osteoarthritis and eventual joint fusion. To check if you suffer from this, stand and pull the big toe upwards. You should have about 70-90 degrees of movement relative to the metatarsal. If not.....:crying:.....see your podiatrist!
To understand this, I need to see a theoretical medico-lexicographer first :crying:
Then... perhaps... a podiatrist :p

I've been given custom-made orthotics by my podiatrist, and it seems like that my flat-footed feet feels no pain at all, but the semi-flat footed foot hurts all the time when I walk.. and what the, no pain at all without orthotics, how funny :S.

i have a normal foot then..

I am flat footed myself but i didnt consider it as a handicap. I played basketball, soccer, and now badminton and was once a marathoner and my coaches would always praise my qickness. I do read some articles regarding flat footed and it says that balancing is the most common problem to people with flat foot. Probably its true since during my childhood i always have to bruise myself coz i always fall down during plays. But somehow, i must have developed my footwork during trainings in basketball. And it must be also be attributed to my ability to quickly read plays and therefore "anticipate" the movements to make. So i would say that being flat footed would be a disadvatage. Its not..Proper training is the key so that one would develop the agility, speed to respond in every play and learn to anticipate so as not to give your opponent a chance to put you off balance.

Once in an elementary school a doctor told me I'm flat footed and I should do calf raises. I guess the purpose was to strengthen the ankle and calf muscles and joints. Yes, flat feet are not so stable, but still I didn't listen to the doctor's advice. After those times I've had two ankle sprains and some shin pain, so I bought a wobble board and Super Feet Green insoles. I'm very pleased with the insoles!
Two minor ankle sprains are not that much and the pain in my shins and calves isn't that bad either, but before anything bigger happens I wanted to sacrifice some money on my feet :)

Once in an elementary school a doctor told me I'm flat footed and I should do calf raises. I guess the purpose was to strengthen the ankle and calf muscles and joints. Yes, flat feet are not so stable, but still I didn't listen to the doctor's advice. After those times I've had two ankle sprains and some shin pain, so I bought a wobble board and Super Feet Green insoles. I'm very pleased with the insoles!
Two minor ankle sprains are not that much and the pain in my shins and calves isn't that bad either, but before anything bigger happens I wanted to sacrifice some money on my feet :)

Superfeet are a great alternative to expensive custom orthodics if you don't have severely flat feet or bow-legs!

For years and years, I never knew I was flat-footed. It was until a couple years ago when I got back into ice hockey that I found out that I was both flat-footed and bow-legged at the knees. As you can image, the hard pounding of the skate blade just repeatedly sent shockwaves up my ankles to my knees and eventually my hips and lower back. I had minor issues with these areas when I was younger, but I guess getting into my mid-20's, the body has gotten more rigid and some flexibility or softness has been lost in the joints so everything was just magnified x 10.

Around the same time that I discovered these problems, my health insurance discontinued their coverage for custom orthodics and shoes, so I had to opt for Superfeet. They felt very strange for a while, but once I got them in both my skates (Superfeet Grey) and regular shoes (Superfeet Green), they made a world's difference to my feet. No more arch cramps or excessive swelling after a hard run or a long day of walking. My bigger problem though were my knees and the bowleggedness of them. Couldn't get rid of the shock going to the medial side of my knee.

So now with $500 out of my pocket for custom orthodics, my hope is that my knee pain will be reduced compared to when I wore Superfeet, which was in reality an improvement over not having any insoles at all.

But again, Superfeet are great. Even people without obvious foot problems find that they help improve stability and reduce fatigue!

I Have A Normal Feet Thanks God.size 9

I've got normal feet.But I don't consider myself that athletic.I'm only 13, 4'9", 70 lbs.My mile times are only average.My best mile time is 8:55.I guess that's good for a girl that's so short for a 13 year old.It's weird though,I'd imagine that if you wore flat-footed shoes,it'd make your feet flat.Currently for casual shoes I wear Converse All Stars *very flat-footed I might add*^_^And for p.e. I wear some fancy $60 Adidas running shoes.Idk,maybe if I did p.e. with my Converse they'd hurt more.

superfeet are good with people with flat feet? I'm super flat footed in my right foot, i almost have no arch whatsoever, and in my left i have a slight arch, my chiropracter (chiropractor?) said that she's pretty surprised that i dont have any large walking problems

anybody here have any superfeet testimonials?

superfeet are good with people with flat feet? I'm super flat footed in my right foot, i almost have no arch whatsoever, and in my left i have a slight arch, my chiropracter (chiropractor?) said that she's pretty surprised that i dont have any large walking problems

anybody here have any superfeet testimonials?

Refer to my post above.

But in general, yes they are good for flat feet because they don't have a 'sharp' arch support. Instead its longer and wider at the arch, but with enough support to 'neutralize' the angle of your foot. You'll understand how the arch is designed once you step on the superfeet. You'll feel a 'ball' under your arch and it'll require an adjustment period, but they're not like insoles made for people with high arches, in which case you would feel a sharp pain or as if something blunt is stabbing in your arch.

I've been wearing them for a couple years now and only just today have gotten custom orthodics.

Andrew, you should pick up a pair at SportChek, try em for a month and then return them within 90 days (or it might be 45) if they don't work out for you.

i dont really have any problems, since im pretty young *i think i am at least xD* it just gets tiring after awhile, since im basically rellying on my inner thigh muscles to keep my weight dissipating outwards

btw how much are superfeet?

i dont really have any problems, since im pretty young *i think i am at least xD* it just gets tiring after awhile, since im basically rellying on my inner thigh muscles to keep my weight dissipating outwards

btw how much are superfeet?

$39.99 per pair @ SportChek

haha..im flat footed..wat do that have to do with playing badminton?
lmbo

i can't tell for sure what i am but i think i'm flat footed since every surface area on the bottom of my feet touches the ground when i'm standing up straight. does flat food really make a big difference in performance wise? i can out last all of my friends in playing badminton.

flat feet for girl is common? I always experience bristers either playing badminton or running...:( but one thing for sure, i never let the pain stop me from doing these regular activites.

I think there is a danger here with people thinking they possibly have flat feet when infact they aren't clinically diagnosed with flat feet and never would be.....
You can have feet that appear a bit flat and still be quite normal.
I suffered with flat feet for years and the pain was unbrearable to the point where I was unable to play sport for 6 - 7 years and unable to walk any distance up half a mile without being in serious pain. So I suggest if you are unsure, changes are, you dont have flat feet to such an extent that it would be diagnosed as being so. However I now have prescription insoles for my shoes and I am able to do just about anything somone without flat feet could do. :D

My feet are incredibly flat, it wasn't until I went to buy some hiking boots someone noticed, I now have orthotics (expensive in soles). It's amazing how much it has affected my posture, I no longer get very painful knees or hips and a reduced number of headaches (my neck was twisting if I stood, walked or ran) I also play a lot more sport now and have become a lot fitter as I'm no longer in a lot of pain after playing (I presumed it was due to a lack of fitness before, despite not feeling out of breath).

my friend played badminton and is now running on x-country... hes flat footed...

if flatfootedness is viewed as non-athletic.. shouldnt asthmatic people also be viewed as non-athletic? ive been hospitalized from asthma a few times wen i was younger, now i run a 4-5 miles at a quick pace without crapping out at all.. but i can still feel the asthma

with enough training and determination... one can overcome these limitations, theres no doubt you have to work alot harder than those that dont have these obstacles.. so dont give up people!! theres is hope for everyone if youre willing to give it some WORK.. go people!! lolz

Good encouragement!!:)

are there any pro badminton players out there that are flat footed?

unfortunately, yes :mad:

still manage to somehow become victorious in my games though hehehe :D

so dats show doesn't mean u r flat foot or not... u still can become a good sportsman... oni my 2 cent...

I think there is a danger here with people thinking they possibly have flat feet when infact they aren't clinically diagnosed with flat feet and never would be.....
You can have feet that appear a bit flat and still be quite normal.
I suffered with flat feet for years and the pain was unbrearable to the point where I was unable to play sport for 6 - 7 years and unable to walk any distance up half a mile without being in serious pain. So I suggest if you are unsure, changes are, you dont have flat feet to such an extent that it would be diagnosed as being so. However I now have prescription insoles for my shoes and I am able to do just about anything somone without flat feet could do. :D

I'm flat footed and had the same problems. Even my back was really in pain whenever I walk. Then it became worse when I started jogging, pain was unbearable... my weight is an add-on to the pain!

Then my doctor advised to get shoe insoles for overpronators (I'm a severe overpronator). It doesn't seem to work and they are quite pricey too.... I was looking for a new pair of running shoes at that time and luckily the NB shop keeper was a runner himself knew a lot about being flat footed. He recommended one pair of running shoes designed for overpronators and since then I have no problems anymore.

About flat footed being associated with less athletic ability I think I have to agree but there's no reason for an overpronator to avoid an active lifestyle. We may not be as athletics as those with normal foot but in badminton it should not be a disadvantage.

I heard from my professor that flat feet people have less stability compared to normal feet. I don't see how that works since flat feet people have more surface touch.

I heard from my professor that flat feet people have less stability compared to normal feet. I don't see how that works since flat feet people have more surface touch.

I don't have a very good balance. Not sure wheter it's because of being flat footed or not because my spine is not straight, since I was born :D. Logically, a flat foot has more contact surface.

I heard from my professor that flat feet people have less stability compared to normal feet. I don't see how that works since flat feet people have more surface touch.

surface area don't matter. normal foot people have control over their body because body alignment is better so more stability.

more contact area is not good either. think about it. playing with your heals touching the ground cause you to be more slower.

What is flat footed? I've never heard of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_feet

left foot flat. right foot has arch. bunions starting to form on both feet, more on left. slightly crooked left knee, possibly caused by crooked left foot, or vice versa.

left foot flat. right foot has arch. bunions starting to form on both feet, more on left. slightly crooked left knee, possibly caused by crooked left foot, or vice versa.

Custom insoles might help you with your problem.

I found out 1.5 years ago I was heavily flat footed, when I was buying some sneakers (went to see a podiatrist afterwards). I suggest getting some mizuno's some of their shoes have some support for those of us that are flat footed. I find them to be really comfy, and have a completely different feel to my asics - in fact I cant bear wearing the asics anymore even though they are court shoes and the mizuno's Im wearing arent (Nirvana 4 I think it is).

the asics running shoes i have (not the newest one) have really go arc support for my flat-footed feet. does anyone know if asics badminton shoes have go arc support as well?

Custom insoles might help you with your problem.

I have custom insoles but badminton still puts a ton of pressure of my flat feet and arch area aches a lot after each session; especially my left foot.

I am definitely a flat footer :crying:

Not sure if it's a good thing but I'm actually on my toes 100% of time when I'm in motion such as running, walking, etc.. My wife has commented on how bizarre this looks but the only time my heels ever touch the floor is when I'm standing still or sitting.

Not sure if it's a good thing but I'm actually on my toes 100% of time when I'm in motion such as running, walking, etc.. My wife has commented on how bizarre this looks but the only time my heels ever touch the floor is when I'm standing still or sitting.maybe u were born to be a sumo wrestler:p

I am definitely flat footed. And I have been using insoles for regular shoes, but somehow never with my badminton shoes. Lately, I have noticed that my right heel hurts a lot. I have read that it's heel spur. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that I have flat feet. Do you guys who have flat feet suffers from lower back pain and knee pain? Now that I turn 30 all these pain shows up?! Maybe it's my imagination. Hahah!

heel pain is unlikely due to flat feet because it affects the arch not the heel. It may be a lack of cushioning in the heel area.

it seems like my heel pain started since i wore my new shoe. i must admit that i went to get a pair of adidas indoor sneaker because it looks good... but do you think the cushioning was that bad compare to a pair of yonex?!

it seems like my heel pain started since i wore my new shoe. i must admit that i went to get a pair of adidas indoor sneaker because it looks good... but do you think the cushioning was that bad compare to a pair of yonex?!

If you got the adidas indoor soccer shoes then that was a bad decision.

I'm flat footed too.. I run a pretty good on the 100m sprint.. lol

I am definitely flat footed. And I have been using insoles for regular shoes, but somehow never with my badminton shoes. Lately, I have noticed that my right heel hurts a lot. I have read that it's heel spur. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that I have flat feet. Do you guys who have flat feet suffers from lower back pain and knee pain? Now that I turn 30 all these pain shows up?! Maybe it's my imagination. Hahah!

I'm in a similar position! Hitting 30 end of March (and quite happy about it, don't know why!) but recently I have also been suffering from pains in my heels and sometimes knees and lower back.

I've been flat footed all my life (size 12s as well, so quite a big flat!) and only recently have I started to feel the strain. As it happens I'm very quick around the court and also very noisy as well, but my initial movement would be so much better and I'd use far less energy if I was able to dial this out.

I fear it will be stuck with me for good though!

hmm...I am flat foot, may be that's the reason my big toe is hurting after playing too much badminton?

hmm...I am flat foot, may be that's the reason my big toe is hurting after playing too much badminton?

hey...it also happens to me too. My toes get hurt each time after playing badminton. But once I switched to Mizuno shoes (those for flat footed type) my toe problem began to ease slowly.

hey...it also happens to me too. My toes get hurt each time after playing badminton. But once I switched to Mizuno shoes (those for flat footed type) my toe problem began to ease slowly.

Which Mizuno shoes? do you have the model code/name?

The way to cure it is to walk straight, sleep straight, sit up straight, and do everything with your back straight. The many reasons why people are flat-footed is because their feet carry too much weight. Needless to say, your feet will squash up into a pancake if you put too much pressure on it. It really affects your performance in badminton if you're flat-footed, not that a flat-footed person would be bad at it but after training or a match they will find that their feet ache. When I was a novice at badminton, I feet were swollen during my first week. XD