14 - 14 ( Set one point ). 2nd Serve on my side.

Baseline drive to the opponents court. They responded with a sharp fast drop shot ,
I lunge for the shuttle and send a tight net play over at the left side. Opponent responded with a tight netshot at the same spot. As i see the shuttle cross over my side nearly touching the top of the net. It look like an impossible recovery , i sweep the shuttle over like the Windscreen wiper. As i do that... i hit the shuttle twice in 1 motion , it hit the frame 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock. As soon as it bounces from the 9 o'clock frame the shuttle seems to be going out of the court..but the shuttle hit the TOP LEFT BAR that was holding the net and drop over the opponents court. There was an arguement , The Bar is on the line of the court . but since it was just a game , we won 15-14. For you guys... what say you? SO WEIRD.

Sorry for the ugly picture...

haha, i love the diagram! sounds like a lucky shot at a crucial moment, however as I understand it your shot is prefectly valid.

I think if the feather hitted the bar, the point should be counted as lost.

but I'm not an umpire, so I'm not completely sure...

Erm, If you hit it twice at 3 & 9 o'Clock that's a fault.

If you just hit it once & it bounced off the post going in then it's a fair (& lucky) point.

Well, if you hit the feather twice in the same shot, that's definately not a fault.

But I still think it is a fault to hit the post (maybe an umpire could confirm this?)

The posts are considered to be part of the net. Therefore the above is not a fault.

I think a similar question being brought up some time ago. "Is hitting the post then shuttle landing inside as a point?"

I think this depend on how much "taller" the post compare with the net. If i am not mistaken, I think either WWC or Badrad provided some explaination which I thought was very reasonable.

The post should be no extra length than the net height, to prevent such issue. However, many clubs using generic post (for volleyball, etc) for badminton net. Therefore, the posts are much higher than the net height. Then, things like this will happen. To me, I think if the post is same height as the net height, and the shuttle hit the top surfce of the post (top end of the post, which parallel with floor), then, it's good. However, if the shuttle hit the extra "height" which not suppose to be there, it should be considered as a loss, because if there's nothing blocking there, it will be surely out.

In my games, such cases happened once or twice, since our post are much taller than the actual net height, I just called it out, and ppl tend to agree with me.

Originally posted by seven
Well, if you hit the feather twice in the same shot, that's definately not a fault.



really? i never knew that..i always thought hitting the shuttle twice anytime was a fault.

about hitting the post, it's find as long as the post is part of the boundary lines and like LB mentioned, the post is no higher than the net height

Originally posted by yonexfanatic
really? i never knew that..i always thought hitting the shuttle twice anytime was a fault.

As long as it is all in one stroke, it is OK!

Of course you can't control the shuttle in one stroke and then hit it in another, that would be too easy!! :p

what if u hit ur partner's head and it goes over?

Nice Shot! and your'e quite lucky with that shot.

but its not a point... is it?

Originally posted by unregistered
what if u hit ur partner's head and it goes over?

That would be a fault of course!

Originally posted by seven
As long as it is all in one stroke, it is OK!

Of course you can't control the shuttle in one stroke and then hit it in another, that would be too easy!! :p

Nope, it has to be one clean hit.

so hitting it twice in one stroke it a fault as is "scooping" the shuttle.

There is no such thing as a "scooping" fault. That rule is obsolete. A stroke is legal stroke if performed in one movement, regardless of whether you hit the shuttle once of five times.

The IBF rules that apply are these:

It is a fault if, in play, the shuttle:

13.6.1: is caught and held on the racquet, and then slung during the execution of the stroke

13.6.2: is hit twice in succession by the same player with two strokes

I thougth that was the rule but this thread has confused me.

My best one has to be the moving to the back of the court playing singles and thinking it was out originally, upon seeing that it was going to be in hitting it between my legs blind because I was still facing the net standing on the back line square to the net and just giving it enough to go over the net.

And before you ask I hit my service into the net on purpose to appologise for the lucky shot as the guy on the other side had turned round and walked back to his receiving position as I was hitting the shot between my legs.

And again before you ask I have never been able to play the same shot again to the same degree of acuracy

VERY FLUKEY!!!

Originally posted by Dill
And before you ask I hit my service into the net on purpose to appologise for the lucky shot as the guy on the other side had turned round and walked back to his receiving position as I was hitting the shot between my legs.

why did you do this??? :confused:
if you play a lucky shot, so much the better for you, apologizing is OK but I can't see the logic in giving the next point away... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by seven
why did you do this??? :confused:
if you play a lucky shot, so much the better for you, apologizing is OK but I can't see the logic in giving the next point away... :rolleyes:

In the old days, a mis-hit is considered illegal and since it is no longer illegal, a lot of "older" players (no offense here, Dill) have considered any mis-hits or flukey shots to be points that are un-deserving. Being a gentleman, the right thing to do is to concede the next point.

I think this actually happen in one of the WC matches between PGade and Henderawan. Can't remembered who did what but I think it was Henderawan who serve into the net after winning a flukely point.

i can hit the shuttle under my legs in front and behind , hook up and sideways... practised about 2hrs to get it right....

Originally posted by Winex West Can
In the old days, a mis-hit is considered illegal and since it is no longer illegal, a lot of "older" players (no offense here, Dill) have considered any mis-hits or flukey shots to be points that are un-deserving. Being a gentleman, the right thing to do is to concede the next point.

I must be too young then!! ;)

Spot on WWC,

As I said it was hit after thinking it was out so the guy on the other side moved out of his base position to get ready to receive the serve from my side, I only hit the shot for fun and was not going to take any advantage gained by it.

Just like shouting "out" and waiting for the other guy to stop and then hit it back over the net, somehow it just does not seem fair and as such you cannot take any advantage unless you are a cheat or just want to win at all costs.


Yes, practicing shots like this is good if you are prepared to play them on purpose but they are of no practical advantage as you can only play them in very specific circumstances that do not occur often in game scenarios. Just like Gade's trick shot which was practiced but is not a fluke shot, you need to draw the line somewhere!

Great to be back.. been out of town for few days.

It was a definately a FLuke shot..in regards to the bar it is same height with the net. Anyway saw all your posts , the shuttle was hit twice in one stroke.

Originally posted by Mag

It is a fault if, in play, the shuttle:

13.6.1: is caught and held on the racquet, and then slung during the execution of the stroke



That is the definition of a scoop. . . .

this doesn't prevent you from hitting the shuttle twice in the same stroke though.

Getting back to what is potentially an amusing thread. I was once playing in a match where the opposition were not strong, but unfortunately we had a particularly weak team out. The other pairs were losing their games, but it was a one court hall with a deadline - any games not played after that would be halved. If we played all nine games my team would have lost 6-3 and gained no points, if I could draw out my games before winning them we might have to stop after game 7 thereby losing 5-4 and gaining the pont we needed for promotion. Dirty tricks? Maybe.

Anyway, I had won the first game 15-12 taking about 40 minutes to do so. I was leading the second game 10-0 and decided it would be a good idea to let them back in. The following 20 minutes was the most dire exibition of badminton I have ever had the misfortune to be a part of. I tried the tactic of just keeping the rally going, but that did not work because they were only good for about three shots before making an error, no matter how simple I made the shot.

I eventually progressed to 14-13 and with my serve remaining, obviously I needed to lose the point. I drove it into the net - but it hit the top of the net and was landing in. The opposing lady hit the shuttle - out. I just got to the shuttle and hit it over the net for her to kill, she hit it into the tape and onto my partners racquet where it bounced back into the tape and dribbled over the net at the opposing lady's feet. She looked really pissed off for having lost the game but not as pissed of as me for having won it. Final score 5.5 - 3.5, missed promotion by 0.5. Maybe I got what I deserved?

Originally posted by mindfields
Nope, it has to be one clean hit.

so hitting it twice in one stroke it a fault as is "scooping" the shuttle. Plenty of frame shots are not called as faults.

If the shuttle slides on the racquet during one continuous stroke, that is not a fault either.

The key point is one continuous stroke.