New survey on hand size and grip size

[Cheung]

saying G4..etc is difficult to get any meaning out of the data many people. Especially, when using G doesn't conform to an agreed standard.

So I propose using a little objectivity.

I would like to actually have the measurements of the following:

1) circumference (in cm) of the handle at a point 8cm from the very end of the racquet.

2) the distance (in cm) of your racquet hand from the tip of the 2nd finger (ie. thumb, 1st finger, then 2nd finger) to the 1st crease of the wrist. (this crease will the one closest to the hand)

3) the length of your 2nd finger of the racquet hand from the tip of the finger to the crease it makes with your hand.

And I would like the following data on your playing details:

4) Male or female

5) Formally coached by an international/national player or coach (ie one to one, and a duration more than 6 months of at least once per week))

6) Level of play reached - social, league, good league (but not national), national (also need to state country)

7) singles or doubles player


If you are shy about personal details, don't hestitate to PM me;) instead.
As the PM box may be full at some stages, be patient:)

What's the objective? to find out if any of these factors are related to grip size (or the other way round)

[timeless]

Here's my data:

Racquet: Yonex AT700
Original Grip size: Yonex G5
Over Grips: 1 thin grip over the original
Handle Circumference: 8.5 cm (+/- 1 mm)

Racquet: Yonex AT500
Original Grip size: Yonex G4
Over Grips: 1 medium-thin grip replacing the original
Handle Circumference: 8.4 cm (+/- 1 mm)

Hand Length: 20 cm
2nd Finger Length: 8.5 cm
Gender: Male
Country of Residence: Canada
Coaching: Some, but nowhere near the duration you mentioned.
Level of play: Social(?)
Discipline: Doubles & Mixed

I don't know what level league or good league would be. Definitely not national though. Badrad can probably give you a fairly accurate and unbiased assessment of my level. However, compared to asian standards, I'd probably just be social level :p. I'm guessing you'll probably need higher level players to volunteer their data in order to make any conclusions on optimal grip sizes so I'll kick things off by filling the lower end of your scale :).

[Cheung]

Forgot to mention, if anybody PM's me with their grip size, then that data is private and will not be disclosed to anybody else;)

[Cheung]

Originally posted by timeless
I don't know what level league or good league would be. Definitely not national though. :). Didn't you meet Kwun recently? Can we use his standard as a reference? :eek: ahem.

Let's say:
same as Kwun
better than Kwun
much better than Kwun

(only for those people who have met Kwun!):p

[Neil Nicholls]

Is there no option for worse than Kwun ? :eek:
What are you saying :D

[jamesd20]

Haha Neil!! Am sure kwun will be happy about that!;)

[kwun]

Originally posted by Neil Nicholls
Is there no option for worse than Kwun ? :eek:
What are you saying :D

because you just cannot get worse! ;)

[timeless]

Hahaha no way~!! :D
If Kwun is the bottom of that scale then what hope is there for most north american badminton players! I think Kwun's level is considered fairly high here if you scale it from absolute beginner to national level... definitely in the upper part of the scale(?). Unless the average level in asia is just that high... scarey. Now I'm really wondering what asian levels are like... and feeling really inadequate too hahaha... better put me down as a novice :P

[kwun]

last time i talked to Cheung, i am around level E in Hong Kong.

i think i should add all grandmothers to the the mix. then i can probably end up being a level B player, just right below the professionals.... ;)

[timeless]

Level E!?!?!?!?! Geezuz murphy... what's it go down to... Z??? :eek: :D Sheesh~!!

Okay I retract my data... not even worth hearing about my grip sizes then. Ugh... now I REALLY feel like a minnow in a small pond... or maybe a snail in a puddle hahaha :p. I wish I started playing badminton when I was 10 years old or something. *sigh*

Okay, darnit, I need to train harder!!! :mad: :) :mad: :)

[Pete LSD]

I believe Cheung's assessment. The level of play in Asia is very high compared to the entire North American Continent.

About a month ago I had a conversation with a very high caliber and competitive, 38 years old, player in VRC. He asked me why would I want to train so hard. I said I simply want to keep up with the B level players in HK. The guy laughed and said Level B here in Canada and Level B in HK are the same. I didn't say anything but really doubted his statement.


Originally posted by timeless
Level E!?!?!?!?! Geezuz murphy... what's it go down to... Z??? :eek: :D Sheesh~!!

Okay I retract my data... not even worth hearing about my grip sizes then. Ugh... now I REALLY feel like a minnow in a small pond... or maybe a snail in a puddle hahaha :p. I wish I started playing badminton when I was 10 years old or something. *sigh*

Okay, darnit, I need to train harder!!! :mad: :) :mad: :)

[Neil Nicholls]

1) range from 9.8 to 10.1 cm Average is 9.96 cm
2) 18.3 cm
3) 8.1 cm
4) Male
5) No (some 1to1 but not 1/week)
6) League - England (our County 1st team is in Div1 - below Premier)
7) League Doubles and Tournament Singles. Preference is for singles.

[Cerberos]

Hand length: 19.7 cm
MF: 8.5 cm

All my raquets have one thin extra grip, barely overlapping.
MP 100, G3: 9.7 cm
AT 700, G3: 9.5 cm
Mp 88, G4: 9.0 cm
Ti-3's, G3: Four of them, all approximately 9.5 cm

Give or take a few mm ...

Male

Coaching - nowhere near the stated extent

Level of play: Poor

Singles and doubles player, no real preference. I play doubles a bit more often, though.

[Cheung]

Thanks to Neil and Cerebros for putting the thread back on track. Before Neil's posting, we got more superfluous posts than data!!

[ants]

I'm just too lazy to measure my hand and the grip size :o

[Cheung]

Well actually, I'm hoping to do some statistical analysis on the data. Having more people contribute to a badminton related investigation would help greatly (just like Kwun's racquet number thread;)) towards the badminton community;)

If any BFer's are newer players, their data is relevant as well! (PM me with the data if you are shy)

As with any statistical analysis, the more data there is, the better the investigation....;)

So Ants, your efforts would be greatly appreciated):p

[ants]

Originally posted by Cheung
Well actually, I'm hoping to do some statistical analysis on the data. Having more people contribute to a badminton related investigation would help greatly (just like Kwun's racquet number thread;)) towards the badminton community;)

If any BFer's are newer players, their data is relevant as well! (PM me with the data if you are shy)

As with any statistical analysis, the more data there is, the better the investigation....;)

So Ants, your efforts would be greatly appreciated):p

Ok Cheung , i will post it once i do my measurement. No worries mate.

[bigredlemon]

I like small grip... so...

8.5cm (all racquets 8.5cm exactly after overgrip.)
19.3cm hand length
8.4cm finger
male
coaching: not really. Mostly monkey-see, monkey-do. ;)
as for level... hard to say. Not competitive.

[cappy75]

1. Grip size = 8.5cm (as thin as I could possibly make w/o stock grip).
2. Length of hand = 20cm
3. Length of middle finger = 8.8cm
4. Gender = Male
5. Instruction = No formal coaching
6. Skill level = social (high "C" to low "B")
7. Preferred type of games= Doubles

[timeless]

Cheung, did I miss it or where is your data set?? :)

I see a pattern emerging already... it already seems people are finding their preferential grip circumferences to be approximately equal to the length of their 2nd finger :).

[badrad]

1. 8.5
2. 18.5
3. 8.2
4. Old Man
5. None - NCCP Level 2.
6. Ladies Novice "D"
7. Ladies Doubles...:D

[Yozza]

1) circumference of grip (in cm):
MP99 3U G3: 9.1 cm
(Karakal PU Super grip replacing original)

New racket, not settled on grip size yet:
AT700 4U G5: 9.5cm
(Karakal Kumfy grip replacing original; feels a bit large, may replace with Super PU, which is probably 8.5-8.7cm)

2) distance from tip of middle finger to wrist: 19cm

3) the length of your 2nd finger: 8.5cm

4) Asian male

5) Formally coached: A (very) little, but nowhere near 6 months, more like a week or two.

6) Level of play reached - social

7) singles or doubles player - mainly singles

[sansan88]

Grip size = 88mm, Hand length = 185mm
2nd finger length = 80mm
Male, formal coaching about 3 months in preparation for
Singapore Under-18 High School tournaments (that was 20 yrs ago)
Played as Singles in tournaments because smashes or attacks too weak for doubles.
More of an arm player than wrist player.

[Grufey]

Racquet: Victor Fung-2000 Ti
Original Grip size: approx. Yonex G5
Over Grips: 1 thin grip replacing the original
Handle Circumference: 8.0 cm (+/- 1 mm)

Racquet: Yonex Ti-10 long
Original Grip size: Yonex G5
Over Grips: 1 medium-thin grip over the original
Handle Circumference: 8.5 cm (+/- 1 mm)

Hand Length: 18.3 cm
2nd Finger Length: 8.2 cm
Gender: Teenage Male
Country of Residence: Canada
Coaching: coached for 13months(.5hr/week, for the basics)
Level of play: Beginner
Discipline: mix of all 3 disciplines, in the order of MD, MS, MX

[bigredlemon]

Here's a plot of middle finger size (vertical) vs. grip size (horizontal.)

The data is all over the plots. A weak terndline shows that the smaller the finger size, the larger the grip that player use. Ironic isn't it? Note the large deviation of the data points from the trendline, which means it's most likely noise and not statistically significant. Someone can calculate the r^2 value to verify.

[Mag]

1) grip circumference: 10.5 cm
2) hand length: 21 cm
3) 2nd finger length: 9 cm
4) gender: male
5) no (not by a coach at that high level)
6) league
7) singles, doubles, mixed (preference is doubles)

[ants]

Sorry for the long reply. Here is my details.

AT 700
Original Size is G3
Grip removed , towel on wood 9 cm +/- 1mm


Gosen wpp 3500
Original grip 8cm


Hand Length 18.5cm
2nd finger 8cm
Male
No coaching
Regular Club player
Singles and Doubles player.

[viver]

I used to play with small grips. When using YY racquets the largest grip size would be 4. I may be mistaken since I have not been using YY racquets for a long time years, I believe there were grips size of 4.5/5. I usually go for the smallest grips available.


1) 8.5 cm
2) 21 cm
3) 9 cm
4) Male
5) 4 years with former international level players
6) Social level (would love to play at Kwun's level again)
7) Played singles, doubles and mixed doubles

[Cheung]

Thanks Viver. Which discipline would you say was your main one whilst learning the game under a coach, singles or doubles?

Can other BF'ers provide their data as well? The larger the dataset, the more meaningful the theories that can be generated.:)

Thanks in advance

[viver]

Originally posted by Cheung
Thanks Viver. Which discipline would you say was your main one whilst learning the game under a coach, singles or doubles?

Can other BF'ers provide their data as well? The larger the dataset, the more meaningful the theories that can be generated.:)

Thanks in advance

Both singles and doubles, though I preferred singles in those days. In the club where the training was most intense, there were no girls and therefore no mixed, though we were made aware some differences. I later learned a bit more about mixed doubles with a Chinese lady player, now in Australia.

[forrestyung]

1) 8.5cm
2) 19cm
3) 8cm
4) M
5) 8 years by former China team and Hong Kong team members until now
6) Social :confused:, I think I am a retired player
7) Double