Halim is showing some aging in appearance. his face looks like a 40yrs old man with receding hairline and he seems to have gained a bit of weight.

Candra is starting to lose his baby face.

neither of them are getting younger but their skills is still certainly one of the best. i wonder what form they will be in when it comes to Olympics time. Candra is lined up to be the first person to retain the Olympics MD Gold medal.

yes and I would not be surprised if he won the MD with Halim. Looking at the Copenghagen Masters their performance was superior to the other pairs and it looks like they are on the right track. But as I mentioned before in my opinion there are 4 pairs who are favourites for the oluympics... Lee/yoo, Kim/Ha, Candra/Halim and our own Jonas/Lars...

My vote goes to Halim and Candra. Well, i am more of a Candra and Sigit fan. How is Sigit and Trikus come along? I haven't been updated with with sources in the badminton world. I am feel so ashamed. :(

Sigit is definitely more creative than Halim, but Halim is more consistent than Sigit and makes fewer errors. That was always Candra/Sigit's problem -- their game would break down completely when Sigit went out of control.

Candra/Halim don't have quite the tempo and flare that Candra/Sigit had, but if the Copenhagen Masters is anything to go by, they produce less errors and are every bit as tough to beat. I'd say it's between them, Ha/Kim (if not injured), Lee/Yoo, and Jonas/Lars.

The next few tournaments will certainly be interesting to follow.

can I put my vote on the chinese pair?? Cai and Fu~ I think the speed of Cai and Fu are just as good as the combination of Halim with his smash and Candra being all round. So, what do you guys think of the "underdogs" from China?

Thanks~

its possible and seen last time in WC with Jonas/Lars as champions. But I think Cai/Fu needs more experience to gain the last step to the finals. They are to inconstant but with time they will gain experience and show their full potential.

from what I saw of the masters, Lars and JR were completely outpaced by Candra and Halim, and it looks like there is still quite a bit of room for improvement in their game!

I think Candra and Halim will definitely be very hard to beat in the Olympics.

Reaching top level with three different partners, Candra is really one of the greatest MD players for sure!! :eek:

Originally posted by seven
from what I saw of the masters, Lars and JR were completely outpaced by Candra and Halim, and it looks like there is still quite a bit of room for improvement in their game!

I think Candra and Halim will definitely be very hard to beat in the Olympics.

Reaching top level with three different partners, Candra is really one of the greatest MD players for sure!! :eek:

When being at the top for so long, it is easy to let things slide. I think the world championship event woke up candra, and halim as well watching on the sideline. I think the masters had showed what these 2 still got on reserve. i guess lars and JR need to pull their socks up a bit higher too to have a chance to break the candra/halim combo.

Candra: Seems to be letting quite a few simple errors get into his game, but still rock solid defence.

Halim: I think being with Trikus put him down. He didnt progrss very far and therfor decided not to play as many tournaments. After watching him play in the Masters, he doesnt seem the usual person that i say in the 2001 AE final.

To be honest, I prefer Sigit/Candra in opposed to Candra/Halim. I really enjoy the kind of showmanship and flair of Sigit whenever he steps onto the court. It's good entertainment, if you know what I mean. ;)

Still, it's a tactical thing - to forge a stronger pair and nurture another competent second.

Candra/Halim - more consistent, less mistakes, but also more boring. But if boring win you medals, then no one's complaining. Except me, perhaps.

i know it is probably too late to reshuffle the pairing of sigit/trikus again, but i wonder if it would have been a better choice to maybe put Flandi limpele together with sigit as it really is a waste to put a player of sigit's calibre witha mediocre player like trikus... i mean, if flandi can get into the world top five with a partner like eng hian, think of what he could do with sigit as a pairing?

A tough call on this one!

There is still time for the pairs to adjust to each other and test their combination at some IBF tournaments before the Olympics. Whoever can peak at the right time and maintain their form on the day and with a bit of Luck, will probably win.

So I wouldn't want to even rule out the Chinese at this stage.

Much as I like Sigit, every time I see him he's wearing more and more strapping and supports. He's falling apart.

That's the price to pay for a sport as demanding as badminton. I wouldn't be surprised that these pros will face many health issues after retirement, as a result of injuries and overused body parts during their playing years. Chandra, Halim, Sigit (especially) and . . . so on . . . will probably look like Coach Yao Ximing in Vancouver :). They burn twice as bright but also burn out twice as fast.

Originally posted by kwun
Halim is showing some aging in appearance. his face looks like a 40yrs old man with receding hairline and he seems to have gained a bit of weight.

Candra is starting to lose his baby face.

neither of them are getting younger but their skills is still certainly one of the best. i wonder what form they will be in when it comes to Olympics time. Candra is lined up to be the first person to retain the Olympics MD Gold medal.

then what do u guys think about the pair Tony/Candra??
i think the 2000 olympic game MD final was very cool.

personally, i think Tony gunawan is a very consistent player.
so when he partner with candra (also a consistent player), i think they makes a good form. however, Tony's power is not as powerful as the others, but i think his shots quality and placement is definately exceptional.

Correct me if I am wrong....Isn't Tony moved to US sometime ago? He won both Mix-double and men double in US open back in...forgot. I saw him recently training in Orange County Badminton Club. He isn't advancing to anywhere with all the...(profanity) badminton players in US. No, not you guys...you guys are professionals. :)

I went back to my hometown for the CNY and I got the chance to watch 2003 Rewind on the WC 03 and what a treat it was.

From the finals in MD, I can now see the wisdom in putting Candra with Halim instead of Sigit - the latter seems to be very very error prone compared to Candra and sorry to say that the Indonesians probably lost it because of all the mistakes Sigit made. Well, credits to Jonas and Lars for their great game but I think it was helped much by the camaraderie of oops made by Sigit. At his prime, I don't think Jonas/Lars and will stand a chance. Candra, on the other hand was simply dependable.

Sigh, who are we going to look for when it comes to showmanship now that Sigit is 'relegated' to Team 'B'? ;)

Bear in mind that argubably 3 of the top 5 pairs (2 korean pairs and Flandi/Eng) were absent at the WC. Depsite that Candra/Sigit would have lost in the WC semi to the young chinese if their opponents had played with more confidence.

Would you think it is wiser to pair Candra and Sigit back together as a pair, without being unfair to Halim?

Candra and Sigit were having a lot more success as a pair, and complemented eachother very well, with or without Sigit's flamboyancy.

In the current rankings, Candra and Halim are ranked at about 20. Candra and Sigit are still ranked at 38. Sigit and Tri Kush are ranked 22. The only other players inside the 20, are veterans Flandy and Eng (7), and the youngsters Alven and Hadiyanto(10). Given a bit of luck, any of these could go far in a tournament, but none so far that were as threatening as Candra and Sigit 12 months ago.

There are a few big tournaments to go, where big points are at stake: Korean Open, Japan Open, Asian Champs, Malaysian Open. Indonesian doubles are great to watch, it would be unthinkable for none of them to get a medal at the Olympics, but they are in a low patch at the moment. All the other pairs above are susceptible to lose to any of Ha/Kim, Choong/Lee, Lee/Yoo, Lars/Rasmussen, Cai/Fu.

I think Kim Dong Moon and Nathan Robertson already commented that after the Candra/Gunawan split, Candra and Sigit were most feared opponents in Mens doubles.

Alven and Hadiyanto look to have a promising future together, but I don't think they have it in them yet, to be dependable on.

I believe that Sigit / Candra pair isn't as strong as Candra / Halim althought S / C is a little more inconsistent than C / H. But I would choose power over inconsistency

interesting though, we always think that the Indonesian players are all interchangeable, but it appears that they don't always have synergy between each other.

let's put Tony back in the group, we have:

Tony/Candra - good
Tony/Halim - good
Candra/Sigit - good
Candra/Halim - doesn't look too good so far
Sigit/Halim - no good

never seen Tony+Sigit..

I think the pairing of Candra/Trikush would be great. They may have more firepower than Candra/Sigit. However if Candra/Trikush is paired up , Sigit/Halim will be a weaker pair. So there is no Balance.. anyway it will be exciting to watch the battle between Candra/Halim vs Sigit/Trikush.

hello last night i went to btm to watch the simulation of Thomas and Uber cup for Indonesian Team.......they resuffle the Md again.....Candra n sigit vs halim n trikus...but i guess it was just for this game only....halim n trikus won the first, while candra won the second, never watch the 3rd game...too tired...candra played very good, but sigit keep on making mistakes...guess it wasnt his nite....nevertheless..it great to watch candra to play with sigit again.....and one thing to add candra still so cute....hehhee....

hahaha..... yup i was at batam last nite too....
n yes... candra is still cute n boyish looking.... will post up his pic we took last nite here soon :p
he was playing well last nite.... think he may have won the 3rd round too.... too bad my friends they all say tired wanna go home..... *sigh*
so sad.... didn't get to finish watching the game :( :( :(

I agree that Candra have a boyish looking face. he is ok.. very friendly as well.

Originally posted by silvia
hello last night i went to btm to watch the simulation of Thomas and Uber cup for Indonesian Team.......they resuffle the Md again.....Candra n sigit vs halim n trikus...

Interesting. I didn't even know about such an event. I was at the Finals of the Singapore Nationals & Masters at the SBA Hall from 1 - 6.30 pm.

How did you get to know of this 'exhibition' match? I never travelled to Batam to watch a badminton match. I missed the Indonesian Open the last time as I wasn't sure how to get to the playing venue.

Maybe you can describe your trip there first by ferry, then by road to which location and the time taken. I suppose there is not problem returning by ferry if it is not too late in the evening? Hopefully I can make a trip there too when the next opportunity comes. :p

Originally posted by Loh
Interesting. I didn't even know about such an event. I was at the Finals of the Singapore Nationals & Masters at the SBA Hall from 1 - 6.30 pm.

How did you get to know of this 'exhibition' match? I never travelled to Batam to watch a badminton match. I missed the Indonesian Open the last time as I wasn't sure how to get to the playing venue.

Maybe you can describe your trip there first by ferry, then by road to which location and the time taken. I suppose there is not problem returning by ferry if it is not too late in the evening? Hopefully I can make a trip there too when the next opportunity comes. :p

for ur info.... silvia is an indonesian.... she's from batam :p

Originally posted by ants
I agree that Candra have a boyish looking face. he is ok.. very friendly as well.

yah he is very friendly too... we ask for his autograph n photo-taking with him... he agree n he smile all the way... so cute :D :p :)

Originally posted by silvia
hello last night i went to btm to watch the simulation of Thomas and Uber cup for Indonesian Team.......they resuffle the Md again.....Candra n sigit vs halim n trikus...but i guess it was just for this game only....halim n trikus won the first, while candra won the second, sounds like Thomas Cup tactics to me.
Flandy/Eng Hian 1st doubles, Candra/Sigit 2nd doubles. Candra/Sigit would be almost unbeatable at 2nd doubles.

with Taufik up at 2nd singles, this looks like an Indonesian team that can beat China;)

Originally posted by Cheung
sounds like Thomas Cup tactics to me.
Flandy/Eng Hian 1st doubles, Candra/Sigit 2nd doubles. Candra/Sigit would be almost unbeatable at 2nd doubles.

with Taufik up at 2nd singles, this looks like an Indonesian team that can beat China;)

yah i think candra pair up with sigit is a better combination than candra n halim

Originally posted by HoNgHoNg
for ur info.... silvia is an indonesian.... she's from batam :p

Thanks HoNgHoNg, can't blame me for she did not indicate her location in her profile. Since you are from Singapore and you were there too, supposedly at Silvia's invitation, perhaps you could help answer my questions??? :p Thanks in advance!

Originally posted by Cheung
sounds like Thomas Cup tactics to me.
Flandy/Eng Hian 1st doubles, Candra/Sigit 2nd doubles. Candra/Sigit would be almost unbeatable at 2nd doubles.

with Taufik up at 2nd singles, this looks like an Indonesian team that can beat China;)

Tricky, tricky! Another of Rudy Hartono's strategy? ;)

Provided the IBF ranking of these players is not disturbed. EG if Taufik is ranked higher than Sony, no way will they allow Taufik to play second singles. Which means that Sony can only play first singles if Taufik is not playing, a likely scenario if he is injured. In such a case, it will even be worse off for Indonesia.

Similarly, if Candra/Sigit is ranked higher than Flandy/Eng Hian, then the former pairing will have to play first doubles. Maybe the Candra/Sigit ranking will be lower at TC time since they have not been playing officially together since the beginning of this year.

Originally posted by Loh
Thanks HoNgHoNg, can't blame me for she did not indicate her location in her profile. Since you are from Singapore and you were there too, supposedly at Silvia's invitation, perhaps you could help answer my questions??? :p Thanks in advance!

ur questions? how to get there?
err... yup we took a ferry from spore harbourfront to batam.... as to how to get to the stadium.... i donno...
cos silvia's brother send us there in his car....
it's only my 1st time to batam... n all r in malay words... i cant understand :confused:

Originally posted by HoNgHoNg
ur questions? how to get there?
err... yup we took a ferry from spore harbourfront to batam.... as to how to get to the stadium.... i donno...
cos silvia's brother send us there in his car....
it's only my 1st time to batam... n all r in malay words... i cant understand :confused:

You are from Spore right? I thought Sporeans know some Bahasa?

Originally posted by ants
You are from Spore right? I thought Sporeans know some Bahasa?
Hi ants,

Very few of the young people (below 25) in S'pore are able to speak Malay let alone read. If they are Chinese, they have to learn their mother tongue, ie, Mandarin in school. Many struggle with English plus their mother tongue so a third language is not popular with many students. Perhaps only very simple Malay words are used among friends.

Anyway thanks HoNgHoNg!

This is already the third time they held such an event in Batam ,before that was 1996, 2000, if i am nt wrong...this competition is only to choose the best players to represent Indonesia for the Thomas and uber cup in jakarta ...and that night Sony wasnt present, i donoe the reason, so the first single was played by taufik against marlev(nt v sure abt the name..)...but i guess in actual they will put sony as first single. flandy and enghian as their first dbl..taufik will be fielded as second single..
so if China want to win against Indonesia, guess they have to take the first single and dbl...as taufik will surely secured a point for indo, as well as their second dbl no matter whom they fielded...if the score is 2-2, then china will have higher chances of winning, as their third single is much stronger than indonesia....
anyway regard to the qns of hw to get there...er take a ferry from houbourfront to batam centre( that port is nearer to the stadium...)(there are still 2 other ports..)...
the last ferry from btm to sg is at 9 plus....actually i dont really know hw to get to stadium..my bro or cousin or frens will always send me there..from secondary i studied here and now woking here so I am nt really sure abt the road there..sorry..maybe i asked my bro then tell u abt it.........and last year Indo open , i was just managed to watch the final..as i have to wk..argh...hope there will be next time............

Current world rankings

7 Hian/ Limpele

10 Hadiyanto / Alven

19 Trikush / Sigit

20 Candra / Halim

Are Candra/Halim likely to even qualify / be selected for olympics?

I feel the mens doubles has changed in the last year. Pairs such as the Malaysians, clark/robertson who have been around a long time have started to be consistent top ten performers. Paaske/Rasmussen emerged as a top pair.
In addition we see the emerging chinese pairs who can outpace anyoneon a good day.

Since teaming up Candra / Halim had their best event at Denmark , beating Laybourn /Steffenson, Robertson/Clark, Paaske/Rasmussen and losing the final to Ha/Kim. Their only other notable win since I think was against Lee/Yoo.

However they have lost to Alven/Luluk, Teerawiwatana/Panvisas, Lee/Yoo, Cai/Fu , Flande/Eng (twice), Robertson/Clark, Ha/Kim(twice)

Denmark was back in September, far from improving as a partnership they seen to have gone back since then and don't look a top ten pair.

Originally posted by ants
You are from Spore right? I thought Sporeans know some Bahasa?

u already said u tot only wat..... so it wasn't a confirm ans rite???
not ALL sporean noe bahasa lah.... somemore we r chinese, we don use malays, we uses mandarin n english more often

What the heck is the above suppose to mean???

http://photos.friendster.com/photos/84/77/2907748/2754542293220l.jpg
candra's pic taken in batam over the last wkend...... he's still cute isn't it??? :p :D

Originally posted by ants
You are from Spore right? I thought S'poreans know some Bahasa.

Originally posted by HoNgHoNg
u already said u tot only wat..... so it wasn't a confirm ans rite???
not ALL sporean noe bahasa lah.... somemore we r chinese, we don use malays, we uses mandarin n english more often

What the heck is the above suppose to mean???

Hi Spyboy,

Well you now have a taste of "Singlish" (Singapore-English) and the above is spoken in a rather teasing way as a form of 'joking' relationship.

If I may interprete what HoNgHoNg (HH) was trying to convey:

Because ants assumes most Singaporeans should be able to speak a little of the Malay language since they are so close to Malaysia where Bahasa (language) Malay is commonly used and Singapore has about 15-20% of its own population comprising the Malay race, HH retorted by saying it was a wrong assumption "you (ants) already said you thought (assumed) only, therefore it can't be a confirmation (it wasn't a confirmed answer, right??), Btw, the Indonesian language is very much like Malay, except perhaps with a little difference in the intonation. Even in Malaysia, one can find Malay spoken perhaps differently by some in the north, south, east and west. Not a few Malays have their roots in Indonesia.

HH went on to reiterate that "not all Singaporeans know Malay (bahasa)", which is true. The word "lah" or "lor", which normally comes at the end of a sentence is used as a matter of emphasis and this expression is borrowed from the Chinese dialects, which are many, including Hokkien (most widely spoken here), Teochew, Cantonese, Hakka, Hainanese, etc.

"Somemore, we are Chinese, we don't use Malay, we use Mandarin and English more often." Here, HH again emphasizes ("somemore" = Furthermore) that she is a Chinese Singaporean (not Malay) and she doesn't speak Malay (simply because she didn't study the language in school) and she uses Mandarin (common Chinese which is used in schools and in public) and English (which is the first language taught in most schools in Singapore).

The Chinese make up about 70% of the Singapore population. As mentioned before, they speak a variety of Chinese dialects (the language spoken in the respective provinces in China) brought about by their forefathers when they migrated to Singapore by sea from southern China more than 180 years ago to seek a better life. To make the Chinese understand each other better, a common Chinese language, Mandarin, was adopted and taught in the schools so that Mandarin now becomes the lingua franca among the Chinese. Strangely, the written form of the Chinese language is uniform and understood by all dialect groups. It is the spoken form that varies and is less understood among them.

I'm just assuming.. not confirming that All Sporeans know Malay Language. Just happen that most of the Sporeans i know , knows how to speak a little Malay. :)
Miss Spore alot.. haven't been there for ages... used to go there frequently every year. Hmmm i might want to plan to go Spore this coming June or July. Maybe can play with some of the Bfers.

Btw nice pics of Candra. :)

i'm sorry for the singlish i've used.... but it was well explained by Loh
thanks :p

Ants isn't wrong if he says that at least some Singaporeans understand and can speak at least basic Malay. Being neighbours to the state of Johore, some are bound to be able to speak some Malay.

It truly depends on the kind of people you interact with and how much you actually use the language. I have a lot of Malay and indigenous race friends when I was much younger and I tend to speak a lot of Malay back then and I also read a lot of those comics (Gila Gila or Gelihati, anyone?). Most people who speak with me on the phone don't really know that I'm a chinese!

In Singapore, official functions as well as the school are mostly conducted in English and Mandarin, it won't be a surprise that many don't know Malay at all. Take this school I work in for instance - a lot of the kids have really good English, a few actually sounded like angmoh! Yet, when it comes to BM... you can make your own assumption... ;)

Back to Candra and Indonesia - the language that they speak, it depends on which part of the country you're from. We have janitors here from Jawa Island that I have a heck of an understanding of what they are talking about to each other, while the canteen ladies from Sumatera could be understood easier, though still blurry.

The language used in 'Ada Apa Dengan Cinta?', is it the more common national type or is it a slang? Something like the urban or common tongue of Korea vs the village or traditional Korean?

Jkusmanto, your view please! :)

I tried listening to the coach of Indonesia when he bellowed out the instructions to Candra/Sigit during WC03 and I could understand nothing! :)

Candra's name is Chen Zhaoliang, isit?
I know Alan Budi is Wei Renfang, Susi is Wang Lianxiang. Halim?

Originally posted by silvia
This is already the third time they held such an event in Batam, before that was 1996, 2000 ...to choose the best players to represent Indonesia for the Thomas and Uber Cup in Jakarta.

Anyway regard to the qns of hw to get there...er take a ferry from houbourfront to batam centre( that port is nearer to the stadium...)(there are still 2 other ports..)...
the last ferry from btm to sg is at 9 plus....actually i dont really know hw to get to stadium..my bro or cousin or frens will always send me there..from secondary i studied here and now woking here so I am nt really sure abt the road there..sorry..maybe i asked my bro then tell u abt it.........and last year Indo open , i was just managed to watch the final..as i have to wk..argh...hope there will be next time............
Hi Silvia,

Thanks a lot for your response. I hope I'll be able to visit Batam Stadium (What is it called in Indonesia - the name?) some day to watch some of Indonesia's national players in action!

Originally posted by HoNgHoNg
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/84/77/2907748/2754542293220l.jpg
candra's pic taken in batam over the last wkend...... he's still cute isn't it??? :p :D

HOLY MOLY...are those white hairs I see?..he is only 29 or so isn't he..already with white hair..man, he looks old.

Thanks guys for your fascinating insight to the varied culture of South-East Asia.

Originally posted by wilfredlgf
....... Back to Candra and Indonesia - the language that they speak, it depends on which part of the country you're from. We have janitors here from Jawa Island that I have a heck of an understanding of what they are talking about to each other, while the canteen ladies from Sumatera could be understood easier, though still blurry.

The language used in 'Ada Apa Dengan Cinta?', is it the more common national type or is it a slang? Something like the urban or common tongue of Korea vs the village or traditional Korean?

Jkusmanto, your view please! :)

I tried listening to the coach of Indonesia when he bellowed out the instructions to Candra/Sigit during WC03 and I could understand nothing! :)

Candra's name is Chen Zhaoliang, isit?
I know Alan Budi is Wei Renfang, Susi is Wang Lianxiang. Halim?

There are hundreds of languages In Indonesia.
Like Wilfred said, it depends on which part of Indonesia they are from.
Peoples from the parts which close to Malaysia speak mostly a language that simular to Bahasa (Malay). How further to east how bigger the difference.
The national language is Bahasa Indonesia which has same root as Bahasa (Malay).

e.g.
If you go to Java, in general there are 2 languages that mostly peoples speak: Sunda by Sundanis and Java.
But you will also hear different Java's dialects, from Central Java, Yogyakarta and East Java.

Same as Singapore, the Indonesian Chinese speak also many dialects. In Sumatera they speak Hokkien, In Kalimantan (Borneo) they speak Teochew and Hakka. In another parts they speak Mandarin.
Chinese community mostly live in Sumatera, Kalimantan and Java.


And right :
Candra's name is Chen Zhaoliang, but in Indonesia is Tan Sau Liang.

Originally posted by dlp
Current world rankings

7 Hian/ Limpele

10 Hadiyanto / Alven

19 Trikush / Sigit

20 Candra / Halim



Maybe Indonesia's men double's could be said as a most solid one.
Since the era of Christian/Ade Chandra and Tjun Tjun/ Johan Wahyudi are gone in 70's .

There were Bobby Ertanto/Hadibowo, Kartono/Heryanto, Eddy Hartono/Rudy Gunawan (in the era of Sidik brothers and Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi), Rudy Gunawan/Bambang Supriyanto and Rexy/Ricky.
All of the doubles were coach by the magic hand of Christian.
The last double which coach by Christian were Candra/Sigit and Tony/Halim.
But since Christian retire form coaching, Indonesia's double's are also 'retire' from the top.

I think the Indonesia's double's are missed a magic touch of Christian.

Originally posted by SmashingBird
HOLY MOLY...are those white hairs I see?..he is only 29 or so isn't he..already with white hair..man, he looks old.

u r so damn rude..... those r NOT white hair....
those r juz reflective from the flash lights.....

i still think he is cute :p :D

Originally posted by HoNgHoNg
u r so damn rude..... those r NOT white hair....
those r juz reflective from the flash lights.....

i still think he is cute :p :D

HoNgHoNg, please check your private message box ;)!

Originally posted by Cheung
HoNgHoNg, please check your private message box ;)!

nothing inside leh :confused:

Originally posted by Loh
Hi Silvia,

Thanks a lot for your response. I hope I'll be able to visit Batam Stadium (What is it called in Indonesia - the name?) some day to watch some of Indonesia's national players in action!

hi loh...i cant remember the stadium name, i think its called tengku somting...but that stadium is a quite new one....next time maybe we can arrange to watch together if there is execiting tournament gg around.........cheers.....are u gg to jkt to watch the the thomas cup??.................

Originally posted by silvia
hi loh...i cant remember the stadium name, i think its called tengku somting...but that stadium is a quite new one....................

The stadium's name is "Tumenggung Abdul Jamal Indoor Sports Hall"
The area where the stadium 'stand' is Muka Kuning.

By the way,
Chandra Wijaya and Sigit Budiarto are back together for the Thomas Cup's simulation match in Batam.
Read here (http://badminton-indonesia.com/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=73)

Originally posted by silvia
hi loh...i cant remember the stadium name, i think its called tengku somting...but that stadium is a quite new one....next time maybe we can arrange to watch together if there is execiting tournament gg around.........cheers.....are u gg to jkt to watch the the thomas cup??.................
Thanks Silvia. I certainly love to watch the TC, although not for the whole series, maybe about a week up to the Finals. Please let me know if you have a group going to Jakarta as I'll love to join in too! Having someone around who is familiar with the place, culture and the language especially, will be of great help.

Hi Jkusmanto,

Thanks to you too for getting me the Batam stadium name. I'm sure you must be an Indonesian. What are you doing overseas? Won't you return to watch the TC in Jakarta?

Sorry for the multiple postings as my PC is not working properly - too slow lah!

Originally posted by Loh
.....Hi Jkusmanto,
Thanks to you too for getting me the Batam stadium name. I'm sure you must be an Indonesian. What are you doing overseas? Won't you return to watch the TC in Jakarta?

Yes Loh, I am an Indonesian Chinese.
At this moment I stay in Belgium, I am working here.
Actually I am planning to back to Jakarta for holiday this summer.
As you know, summer holiday in Europe is in July and August. So, it will be difficult to arrange for TC/UC which hold in May.

Anyone know the exact date when is Thomas Cup??? :confused:
i hope to get leave from work so i can go n watch :p :D

Originally posted by HoNgHoNg
Anyone know the exact date when is Thomas Cup??? :confused:
i hope to get leave from work so i can go n watch :p :D

TC and UC will be held on 07-16 May 2004 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Originally posted by jkusmanto
TC and UC will be held on 07-16 May 2004 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

oic... thanx
mayb i'll apply leave on the weekend to catch the quater, semi n final :D

Who thinks Chandra and Halim will qualify for the olympics?

Flandy/Eng, Alven, Hadiyanto will have their place booked....Sigit/Tri Kush and Chandra/Halim have to fight to gain enough points to qualify..

It is argued that Chandra and Halim have the most potential out of the 2 pairs...but Sigit and Tri Kush have performed ever so slightly better.

Looking at the upcoming Japan Open, Chandra and Halim are drawn against Sang and Zheng of China, Korea Open finallists...and so may lose in round 1. Sigit and Tri are drawn against Ohtsuka and Masuda of Japan. They should progress to second round, and have Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah barring any Handcocks;) in second round. Looks like the luck is against them this year...it makes the decision to break up Chandra/Sigit even worse. Whose fault was it again? Was it Chandra who asked for the break up? or the PBSI or whatever its called ;)

I don't think we'll see Chandra, Sigit, Trikush, and Halim in another Olympics after 2004 :( :( unless Tony Gunawan is called back to have one last go with Chandra in 2008 Beijing :rolleyes:

Looking at the draw, if Indonesia wanted a 3rd doubles in Olympics, Sigit and Trikush would be the only option. Not only are they higher ranked than Chandra/Halim, but in Japan Open, if Sigit/Tri can win Choong/Lee in second round, then they could meet Alven/Hadiyanto in Quarters...should the PBSI want to, they could use Li Yong Bo's favourite tactic ;) to ensure that they at least reach semi-finals. In fact Sigit/Tri and Chandra/Halim are in the same halves...

Looking at the draw, if Indonesia wanted a 3rd doubles in Olympics, Sigit and Trikush would be the only option. Not only are they higher ranked than Chandra/Halim, but in Japan Open, if Sigit/Tri can win Choong/Lee in second round, then they could meet Alven/Hadiyanto in Quarters...should the PBSI want to, they could use Li Yong Bo's favourite tactic ;) to ensure that they at least reach semi-finals. In fact Sigit/Tri and Chandra/Halim are in the same halves...

I don't think Indos will arrange any match. (not the same mentality)
There have already been many occasions and they didn't (Hian/Limpele or Luluk/Alven beating the others) so why would it change now??

....., if Sigit/Tri can win Choong/Lee in second round, then they could meet Alven/Hadiyanto in Quarters...should the PBSI want to, they could use Li Yong Bo's favourite tactic ;) to ensure that they at least reach semi-finals. In fact Sigit/Tri and Chandra/Halim are in the same halves...

PBSI has no mentality like Li Yong Bo's.
Indonesian play fair.

There will be no Chandra in Athena, I feel sorry about htis.
But we will see Hian/Limpele, Aven/Luluk and Sigit/Tri.

Candra/Halim can still be selected instead of Sigit/Trikus : they only have 8 tournaments counting at the moment (because they get ZERO points for their withdrawal in the German Open)

If they do well in the JO and ABC Champs, they can still qualify...

Candra/Halim can still be selected instead of Sigit/Trikus : they only have 8 tournaments counting at the moment (because they get ZERO points for their withdrawal in the German Open)

If they do well in the JO and ABC Champs, they can still qualify...

Ofcouse they can be selected, but if we look at the JO draw, I am pessimis that they will collect enough point to go through Athene.
In the first round Sigit/Trikush has to face Japanees pair, on paper no problem, and they go to the second round to face Choong/Lee of Malaysia. Let's say they won't make it. So..... they will out in the secound round.
Now take a look Chandra/Halim, they have to face KO finalist Sang/Zheng.
Do you think they will make it ? I don't think so. So.... out in the first round.
At this point, Sigit/Trikush has a beter position the world ranking.

Chandra/Halim will be selected if and this is the last chance for them :
They have to get through to (at least) semi final (champiopn will be much beter) in ABC Championship and Sigit/Trikush has a bad result.

Everything can happen, but I am doubt about it.

I agree it won't be easy, but don't forget Candra/Halim got ZERO points from German Open.

ABC will be their eleventh tournament for both of them, so their worse result will be taken off their total (total counting the ten best performances).

For the moment, Candra/Halim's worst result was zero points whereas Sigit/Trikus's worse result was 75 points.

So if you want to compare both pairs chances, you should take 75 points off Sigit/Trikus's total points.

That's why I think it is still very tight between these two pairs who will be under great pressure in their two next outings...

Another important point : it is quite likely that all four Indo pairs will be in the world top 16 by the deadline, so coaches may choose not to respect world ranking order.
I'm not sure they would do so though...

Given the choice, I would field Chandra and Halim over Sigit and Trikush.

I think they are good enough to at least get a medal...if Chandra and Sigit had carried on playing, say at the beginning of this year, I'm sure they would be back in the top ten already. For the recent Thomas Cup preliminaries, did Sigit and Chandra not play together and won everyone else?

How many ranking points are up for grabs at Japan Open and ABC?

Is it possible that assuming both C/H and S/T enter top 16, PBSI can decide to split pairs and Candra/Sigit will be reunited to play in the OG?

Is it still possible if only one of these pairs is in top 16?

Anyone analysed the rules of OG qualification, is it possible?

regards,
dzgdz

Is it possible that assuming both C/H and S/T enter top 16, PBSI can decide to split pairs and Candra/Sigit will be reunited to play in the OG?

Is it still possible if only one of these pairs is in top 16?

Anyone analysed the rules of OG qualification, is it possible?

regards,
dzgdz
I thought for the OG, they have to base on world ranking and I doubt Candra/Sigit will have enough points since they have not been playing together for so long. However, for the TC, they can play together as second doubles if the preferred pairs are injured.

How many ranking points are up for grabs at Japan Open and ABC?
Japan Open is a 5* open, ABC is equivalent to a 4* open.

Is it possible that assuming both C/H and S/T enter top 16, PBSI can decide to split pairs and Candra/Sigit will be reunited to play in the OG?

Is it still possible if only one of these pairs is in top 16?

Anyone analysed the rules of OG qualification, is it possible?

regards,
dzgdz

It is possible that both C/H & S/T enter the top 16 by the end of May.
If it happens, that will be hard for PBSI to decide which pair goes to OG.

I think it isn't possible to rejoint C/S.
Like Loh said
thought for the OG, they have to base on world ranking and I doubt Candra/Sigit will have enough points since they have not been playing together for so long. However, for the TC, they can play together as second doubles if the preferred pairs are injured.

Remember ! When PBSI held a exhibition in Batam before KO, PBSI rejoint C/S. What is that means ? ;)

I think PBSI could let C/S play 2nd double in TC if necessary. It is hard for any 2nd doubles to beat C/S at home ground. I think PBSI wants 2 points for sure from double for TC.

I think PBSI could let C/S play 2nd double in TC if necessary. It is hard for any 2nd doubles to beat C/S at home ground. I think PBSI wants 2 points for sure from double for TC.

Right now PBSI has 4 pairs : Hian/Limpele, Aven/Luluk, Chandra/Halim and Sigit/Trikush.

Putting Chandra/Sigit to the 2nd double is a Joker for PBSI.
According to the ranking, it should be Aven/Luluk as a 2nd double.
Hian/Limpele and Aven/Luluk are not splitable, but the last 2 pairs, but be "modifable".
So.... wait and see what PBSI will do. ;)

I think PBSI could let C/S play 2nd double in TC if necessary. It is hard for any 2nd doubles to beat C/S at home ground. I think PBSI wants 2 points for sure from double for TC.
i doubt it. TC matches counts towards Olympics qualifying points. if they split them up again during the TC, that means they are throwing the towel for either of the two pairs to qualify.

from that standpoint, i think PBSI will stay with Candra/Halim and Sigit/Trikus for the TC.

they may even gamble a bit and let Alven/Luluk or Limpele/Hian sit out for a couple of matches.

Does the TC matches count towards Olympics? I though the ABC is the last one counted towards Olympics.

Even the points counted, PBSI would use A/L and L/H most probably. I just suggested if they get injured or out of form at TC, PBSI may put up C/S intead of C/H or S/T.

Either way, INA still has the strongest MD even C/S was split. I really worried for China to be able to get back TC this time at INA home ground.

my bad. TC/UC doesn't count.

look at the rankings released today.

Sigit/Trikus at #14
Candra/Halim at #17

Yes, in fact both Candra/Halim and Sigit/Trikus will have 12 tournaments counting in their world ranking (10 current + JO + ABC) on 1st of may.

As a consequence, the TWO worst performances won't count (since only the ten best performances are taken into account for the World Ranking)

At the moment :
Sigit/Trikus : 2028 points, worst perfs : Taipei 105, German 75
Candra/Halim : 1881 points, worst perfs : All England 48, German 0

Sigit/Trikus have a "virtual" total of 2028-105-75 = 1848 points
Candra/Halim have a "virtual" total of 1881-48-0 = 1833 points

my conclusion is that both pairs are even for the moment and that everything will be decided in the two next tournaments : Japan Open and ABC!

thanks seven for the insightful analysis.

i wonder if they both have their feet in the top 16, what will PBSI do? they need to pick 3 pairs out of 4.

if i were PBSI, i will just say, the highest 3 rankings go. it will be simple and justifiable.

the burden of luxury.

I'm about sure that all four pairs will be in the top 16.

I don't think PBSI will take the risk of "outruling" the world ranking which would be considered as very unfair by the players.

Anyway, they will all be playing under big pressure tomorrow in the quarter finals...

Yes, in fact both Candra/Halim and Sigit/Trikus will have 12 tournaments counting in their world ranking (10 current + JO + ABC) on 1st of may.

As a consequence, the TWO worst performances won't count (since only the ten best performances are taken into account for the World Ranking)

At the moment :
Sigit/Trikus : 2028 points, worst perfs : Taipei 105, German 75
Candra/Halim : 1881 points, worst perfs : All England 48, German 0

Sigit/Trikus have a "virtual" total of 2028-105-75 = 1848 points
Candra/Halim have a "virtual" total of 1881-48-0 = 1833 points

my conclusion is that both pairs are even for the moment and that everything will be decided in the two next tournaments : Japan Open and ABC!
Now that both pairs have lost in the quarter finals in Japan (worth 264 points), here's the situation :
Sigit/Trikus : 2028+264-75=2217 points (worst perf : Taipei 105)
Candra/Halim : 1881+264-0=2145 points (worst perf : All England 48)
(they should both be in the top 16)

Sigit/Trikus have a "virtual" total of 2217-105 = 2112 points
Candra/Halim have a "virtual" total of 2145-48 = 2097 points

Everything will be decided in Asian Badminton Championships!!!!!


another point is that Lamp/Boe are now virtually out of the top 16 and might not qualify for Athens (as third danish pair).

Now that both pairs have lost in the quarter finals in Japan (worth 264 points), here's the situation :
Sigit/Trikus : 2028+264-75=2217 points (worst perf : Taipei 105)
Candra/Halim : 1881+264-0=2145 points (worst perf : All England 48)
(they should both be in the top 16)

Sigit/Trikus have a "virtual" total of 2217-105 = 2112 points
Candra/Halim have a "virtual" total of 2145-48 = 2097 points

Everything will be decided in Asian Badminton Championships!!!!!


another point is that Lamp/Boe are now virtually out of the top 16 and might not qualify for Athens (as third danish pair).

Looking at the points and ranking will be hard for PSBI to decide, but even if Sigit/Trikus have a higher ranking than Candra/Halim, I still think PSBI will pick Candra/Halim because those two seem to be more consistent and the whole Candra/Sigit split was to create a better doubles pair(which didn't). Also out of those 4 men, Trikus is not known to be a good doubles player.

This post could go into many of the Candra, Halim, Sigit, Tony threads but I had to choose one, so it's here.

Anyway, it's the AE2001 Finals MD, the final point to be won by Tony/Halim. What I find most interesting however is how RELAXED both Candra/Sigit were. It were as if they were just sitting back and letting the other side whip whatever they can and just flick em' back like it was nothing.

Can anyone upload the video somewhere of this match? I think it'd be a great game.

http://realsmash.tripod.com/video_clips.htm

yes you can find the complete match in very good quality on eMule.

check this thread (http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12967)!!

I tried and after 30 minutes, it's downloaded just 10kbs!

yes, you need to leave eMule running 24h/24! :D

I admit if you don't have an unlimited internet connection, this is quite difficult...

Oh, I do, I do. But the thing is supremely slow. I'm just too impatient to watch the thing... I guess many people set their 'upload' to extremely low, and download super high, thus nobody is getting good speed in download. Heck, someone is downloading at 3.5kbps off my PC and i am only getting 1.1kbps from 20 sources!

eMule uses a queue system, so you are probably not downloading from all 20 sources currently (probably only one of them in fact) and it should get faster bit by bit.
(refer to the eMule thread or to their official Help and FAQ for more infos)

Now that both pairs have lost in the quarter finals in Japan (worth 264 points), here's the situation :
Sigit/Trikus : 2028+264-75=2217 points (worst perf : Taipei 105)
Candra/Halim : 1881+264-0=2145 points (worst perf : All England 48)
(they should both be in the top 16)

Sigit/Trikus have a "virtual" total of 2217-105 = 2112 points
Candra/Halim have a "virtual" total of 2145-48 = 2097 points

Everything will be decided in Asian Badminton Championships!!!!!


another point is that Lamp/Boe are now virtually out of the top 16 and might not qualify for Athens (as third danish pair).
After ABC, here are the final points :

Sigit/Trikus : 2112+420 = 2532 points
Candra/Halim : 2097+357=2454 points

Ther other top indo pairs :

Luluk/Alven : 2883 points
Eng/Flandy : 2757-192+294 = 2859 points

If PBSI respect world ranking order, Candra/Halim will not be going to the Olympics...

I have just finished downloading the Tony/Halim vs Candra/Sigit AE 2001 Finals game and what can I say but to look :eek:.
Simply marvellous stuff and now I am further convinced that Tony really is what a lot of BF'ers say, a truly masterful player of his class.

The games got me really :eek: and I have to thank the person who uploaded it. Top drawer stuff.

Now I really miss the Candra/Sigit partnership!

I have just finished downloading the Tony/Halim vs Candra/Sigit AE 2001 Finals game and what can I say but to look :eek:.
Simply marvellous stuff and now I am further convinced that Tony really is what a lot of BF'ers say, a truly masterful player of his class.

The games got me really :eek: and I have to thank the person who uploaded it. Top drawer stuff.

Now I really miss the Candra/Sigit partnership!

where did u download it from??? :confused:

where did u download it from??? :confused:

HongHong,
You can get this match in eMule.

HongHong,
You can get this match in eMule.
wat is eMule? can i have the full website? thanx

Yea, Tony is indeed very fondly missed. And like what the commentators would say, he is really the master tactician. Now you make me really wanna go and dig into my tapes for AE2001. :p In fact, 2001 is really the year of INA men's doubles. The AE, Singapore Open, Malaysia Open, Indonesia Open, World Grand Prix Finals and ABC were all all-Indonesian MD finals and the different pairs took turns to prevail. Of course then there was the World Championships where Tony/Halim beat a sleepy Kim/Ha 15-0 in the first game and eventually won.

wat is eMule? can i have the full website? thanx
Hi Honghong, eMule is a peer-to-peer program which is used to share files (videos for ex) with other users all over the world.

You can find lot's of informations and videos to download in the thread Videos to download via eMule (http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12967).

You'll need to download eMule program on http://emule-project.org (http://emule-project.org/).

HongHong,

To help you understand seven's instructions:

1. Download the eMule client program here (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emule/eMule0.42f-Installer.exe).
2. Once completed, install the program as you would normally.
3. Run the program, leaving everything in default.
4. Choose to Connect, by clicking the large lightning button at the top.
5. Then go to this thread Video to download via eMule (http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12967&page=1&pp=25) for the links to the files you can download. Highlight the links, starting from 'ed2k://...' and copy link as you would from a browser, usually right-click and select 'Copy Link' or something like that.
6. Go back to eMule, choose the button at the top named 'Transfers'. Within the large blank box on top, right click and choose to 'Paste ed2k links'. You will see the name of the file, some sort of a bar with red colour that will gradually turn blue.
7. At this point, just leave it to be and let it download. It may take some time to finish - mine took about around 2 days worth of time.

For your convenience, the video I downloaded was the All England 2001 Men's Doubles Finals between Tony Gunawan/Halim Haryanto and Candra Wijaya/Budiarto Sigit. It may not have Xia or Lin playing but you'll love it, it's a marvellous game!

ed2k://|file|Badminton.-.2001.AE.MD.Final.Candra-Sigit.vs.Tony-Halim.game1-2.mpeg|604000628|17E32331646DE5640FE903C441F5D2E0|/

ed2k://|file|Badminton.-.2001.AE.MD.Final.Candra-Sigit.vs.Tony-Halim.game3.mpeg|329763980|48DBEF831211F649F80AA63 74A5C1219|/

p/s - 7 Steps! :eek:;)

HongHong,

To help you understand seven's instructions:

1. Download the eMule client program here (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emule/eMule0.42f-Installer.exe).
2. Once completed, install the program as you would normally.
3. Run the program, leaving everything in default.
4. Choose to Connect, by clicking the large lightning button at the top.
5. Then go to this thread Video to download via eMule (http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12967&page=1&pp=25) for the links to the files you can download. Highlight the links, starting from 'ed2k://...' and copy link as you would from a browser, usually right-click and select 'Copy Link' or something like that.
6. Go back to eMule, choose the button at the top named 'Transfers'. Within the large blank box on top, right click and choose to 'Paste ed2k links'. You will see the name of the file, some sort of a bar with red colour that will gradually turn blue.
7. At this point, just leave it to be and let it download. It may take some time to finish - mine took about around 2 days worth of time.

For your convenience, the video I downloaded was the All England 2001 Men's Doubles Finals between Tony Gunawan/Halim Haryanto and Candra Wijaya/Budiarto Sigit. It may not have Xia or Lin playing but you'll love it, it's a marvellous game!

ed2k://|file|Badminton.-.2001.AE.MD.Final.Candra-Sigit.vs.Tony-Halim.game1-2.mpeg|604000628|17E32331646DE5640FE903C441F5D2E0|/

ed2k://|file|Badminton.-.2001.AE.MD.Final.Candra-Sigit.vs.Tony-Halim.game3.mpeg|329763980|48DBEF831211F649F80AA63 74A5C1219|/

p/s - 7 Steps! :eek:;)
2 days :eek:
wow... how many mb is the file???

Of course then there was the World Championships where Tony/Halim beat a sleepy Kim/Ha 15-0 in the first game and eventually won.
Would someone share this game with me? I only see Kim/Ha bet by Lee/Choong once in my collection. Thanks!

2 days :eek:
wow... how many mb is the file???
About 1 GB in total, 600++ MB for file one and 300++ MB for file two. Bear in mind, although you might be using high speed broadband to download, it may not necessarily arrive that soon to you because eMule uses queue and ranking system. The more u participate by allowing download from your computer (safely via eMule of course), the more points you get, the least waiting time etc.

So, don't be surprised if you have 21 sources, but somehow could only download from one and at 0.3kbps or less. Also, notice that people would be downloading the parts you have from your computer, but gradually the speed will improve.

Thus, I told you to just leave it there by itself for the next couple of days, coming back to check the progress once in a while.

Patience... ;)