Who know about this?

Pi HongYan's nationality?China or France?

XU HuaiWen's nationality?China or Germany?

Pi Hongyan is still Chinese, but hoping to get the french nationality before the olympics... (she has officially asked for it)

I don't know for Xu Huaiwen...

Pi HOng Yan's name is on the dummy list by the IBF for Olympic qualifiication;)

Originally posted by seven
Pi Hongyan is still Chinese, but hoping to get the french nationality before the olympics... (she has officially asked for it)



I might be wrong. But I heard that a person has to be a citizen for a nation for at least 2 yrs, in order to present that nation in Olympics. The rule was issued to avoid the super powers just "hire" athletes right before the event.

If that's true, then Pi could not represent France in Athens 2004 regardless if she could get it or not.

Originally posted by Cheung
Pi HOng Yan's name is on the dummy list by the IBF for Olympic qualifiication;)
The dummy list is only based on rankings. It doesn't look at whether that player is indeed eligible to represent the nation in the Olympics.

Originally posted by LazyBuddy
I might be wrong. But I heard that a person has to be a citizen for a nation for at least 2 yrs, in order to present that nation in Olympics. The rule was issued to avoid the super powers just "hire" athletes right before the event.

If that's true, then Pi could not represent France in Athens 2004 regardless if she could get it or not.

You must have been officially citizen of that country for at least 2 years (now it's 3) and not have represented any other country within the same period.

Pi Hongyan is allowed to play under french flag since last summer, so she can compete in the Uber Cup for example.

For the olympics, she also needs to have the french nationality, which she can get at the last moment or just about.

Is this clearer?

what is the difference between having French nationality and being a French citizen?

hmm, I don't know if I'm using the correct terms, as English is not my first language... :rolleyes:

I meant you have to officially be living in the country you want to represent for at least two years... (this is what I meant by citizen)

but in fact I'm not completely sure about the exact rule... what's sure is that Pi Hongyan can now represent France in any competition except the olympics, and this includes next 2004 Uber Cup.

and for the olympics, it is still possible if she is awarded french nationality...

Anyway, I don't think this system is very fair, the french national squad is mainly built up with foreigners nowadays, with also three Bulgarians who got the french nationality this autumn : Svetoslav Stojanov, Mihail Popov and Victoria Hristova-Wright!

One Indonesian without french nationality : Weny Rahmawati

And another Indonesian as a sparring partner : Arif Rasidi (former bronze medalist in junior world champs)

This doesn't leave much space for young french talents!...

oh i see. thanks for clarifying.

in the US, the term used more often is residency instead of citizenship. citizenship implies a nationality, thus a citizen of a country would hold their passport, and have right to vote, etc.

a resident is just someone who merely stays/resides there. sometimes permanent, sometimes only temporary.

but all clear now.

OK, resident, that's the word!! :D

8. INTERNATIONAL REPRESENTATION

8.1 Representing a Member Association is defined as accepting a nomination to be a member of that Association’s team in any badminton event where the competition is between teams. However, playing as an individual in a tournament does not count as representation, unless the event has been specifically nominated by the IBF (Regulation 8.1.2).

8.1.1 Competition between teams includes, but is not limited to, the Thomas, Uber and Sudirman Cups, Continental team championships, the Asian Games team championships, the Commonwealth Games team championships, and other international matches or competitions involving two or more Member Associations’ teams.

8.1.2 Currently, the IBF has also specified that the World Championships (see World Championships Regulation 8.2), the World Senior Championships and the individual events at the Olympic Games, the Asian Games, the Commonwealth Games, and Continental Championships shall count as international representation. Where players in a doubles pair are from different Member Associations it shall count as international representation for each player.

8.2 A player shall be qualified to represent a Member Association providing the player is in good standing with that Member Association and satisfies Regulations
8.2.1 and either 8.2.2 or 8.2.3:

8.2.1 holds a passport of a country whose territory the Member Association has jurisdiction over;

8.2.2 has not represented any other Member Association for three years immediately preceding the date of the fixture;

8.2.3 last represented that Member Association;

8.3 A player shall be deemed to have represented a Member Association if he or she shall have been officially nominated to represent that Member Association and shall have accepted such nomination.

8.4 If a player has represented a Member Association and such Member Association is subsequently divided into two or more Member Associations or is absorbed by another Member Association, either politically or by recognition of the IBF, such player shall, for the purposes of these Regulations, be deemed from the date of such alteration not to have represented any Member Association.

8.5 Notwithstanding the foregoing Regulations, in the case of any officially-recognised competitive multisport event in which badminton is included, the qualifications for the representation of a Member Association shall be in full accordance with the conditions laid down by such a multi-sport international event, provided however that the above Regulations 8.2 to 8.4 are also not contravened.

Thanks for posting this.

For information, this is the new rule... but Pi Hongyan changed "colours" before this one was officialized so the old rule applies to her.
(only two years etc...)

In Sudirman Cup last year, France was represented by Bulgarians without French nationality for example.

In the eurosport coverage of the Bitburger Open ladies singles final near the end of last year, they mentioned in the commentary that Xu Huaiwen had just received her German passport, so presumably she is now has full German nationality.

PI have just became a member of France Badminton Association after September 2002. And before October 2002, she had played for Denmark. Here are the World Ranking Oct. 3, 2002 (http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/gethistdetails.asp?firstrec=20&rankdd=3&rankmm=10&rankyy=2002&categorycode=WS#top) and the World Ranking Oct.10, 2002 (http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/gethistdetails.asp?firstrec=40&rankdd=10&rankmm=10&rankyy=2002&categorycode=WS#top).

So I'm afraid to say PI Hongyan must be out of Olympics this year.

Well, in fact, you're right about sept 2002, but what counts is for how long she hadn't represented China in official competitions.

I can garantee that Pi Hongyan is officially allowed to represent France since July 2003, and I am well placed to know about that!! ;)
(our federation speaks about it enough!)

Our federation even asked IBF for her to play in the world championships last august, but it was refused because the champs were intially planned in may, and that she wasn't allowed to represent France yet in may...

In fact, Pi Hongyan can play in the Uber Cup and even the Olympics. But if so, Pi will lost the right playing for another association in the future. in other words, she will must play for France for ever (according to regulation 8.2.3 above), Pi should think it over before making up her mind. If Pi want to do so, regulation 8.2.2 above will not limit her (for example "three years"). And Xu Huaiwen can get the chance by this way too.

I raised up the "2 yrs regulation" (might be 3 now), was due to the regulation from Olympics Commity, but not IBF. According the rules that Xu Zhen posted above, seems IBF's regulation is not as strict as Olympics.

Therefore, Pi should be able to play Uber Cup, but still can't play for Olympics (I still remember that's: at least 2 yrs of citizenship, but not 2 yrs of resisdency).

Originally posted by LazyBuddy
I raised up the "2 yrs regulation" (might be 3 now), was due to the regulation from Olympics Commity, but not IBF. According the rules that Xu Zhen posted above, seems IBF's regulation is not as strict as Olympics.

Therefore, Pi should be able to play Uber Cup, but still can't play for Olympics (I still remember that's: at least 2 yrs of citizenship, but not 2 yrs of resisdency).

Correction this was voted on at IBF meeting in Guangzhou, China during Thomas Cup
2002.

Originally posted by jump_smash
Correction this was voted on at IBF meeting in Guangzhou, China during Thomas Cup
2002.

I am a little bit confused? So, u mean, my information was old, and there was an update by IBF already?

But still, isn't IBF still need to follow Olympics' committee as well?

I think IBF changed its rule because olympic comittee changed its own... (if I remember rightly)

Similarly, when did Yohan Hadikusumo WIRATAMA come to Hong Kong? Has he been in Hong Kong long enough to be eligble to play in the Thomas Cup?

I'm french too, and if a professional players want the nationality, the processus is more faster than a normal citizen. So We have good chance for see hongyan pi take a gold medal at the olympics games lol =)

Originally posted by Xu Zhen
In fact, Pi Hongyan can play in the Uber Cup and even the Olympics. But if so, Pi will lost the right playing for another association in the future. in other words, she will must play for France for ever (according to regulation 8.2.3 above), Pi should think it over before making up her mind. If Pi want to do so, regulation 8.2.2 above will not limit her (for example "three years"). And Xu Huaiwen can get the chance by this way too.

What? Relevant regulations 8.2 and 8.1 :

8.2 A player shall be qualified to represent a Member Association providing that player is in good standing with that Association and satisfies Regulations 8.2.1 and either 8.2.2 or 8.2.3:

8.2.1 holds a passport of a country whose territory the member Association has jurisdiction over.

8.2.2 has not represented any other member Association for three years immediately preceeding the date of fixture.

8.2.3 last represented that member association.

8.1 representing a member Association is defined as accepting a nomination to be a member of that Association's team in any badminton event where the competition is between teams. Howerver, playing as an individual in a tournement does not count as representation, unless the event has been specifically nomintaed by the IBF (Regulation 8.1.2)

So therefore as long as Pi has not represented any one but France for three years before the Olympics in team events, and the IBF stiplulate these as Thomas, Uber, Sudirman, Continental championships, Asian Games, Commonwealth Games, and
World Championships World Senior Championships and Olympic Games and has
a current Frence passport she is qualfied as long as she makes the Olympic
rankings.

Originally posted by Syaoran_Style
I'm french too, and if a professional players want the nationality, the processus is more faster than a normal citizen. So We have good chance for see hongyan pi take a gold medal at the olympics games lol =)


Yes, this is the same as many countries. Australia granted lenny Permadi nationality
in the months prior to last Commonwelath Games.

Originally posted by seven
I think IBF changed its rule because olympic comittee changed its own... (if I remember rightly)


Seven, I am not sure - you are probably correct. Sorry LazyBuddy.

Originally posted by jump_smash
Yes, this is the same as many countries. Australia granted lenny Permadi nationality
in the months prior to last Commonwelath Games.

Laf I can't believe you got her name wrong, thinking about Fung were you?

Originally posted by Pecheur
Laf I can't believe you got her name wrong, thinking about Fung were you?

Guess so, there have been so many opportunties for OZ.

Maybe I was thing about them Fung Permadi, Wang Chen etc