TC / UC draw is out !

[kwun]

China will face indonesia in both TC and UC draw!

[ants]

Here is the breakdown

Thomas Cup

Grp A : China , Indonesia , USA
Grp B : Korea , Germany , New Zealand
Grp C : Malaysia , Thailand , South Africa
Grp D : Denmark , Japan , England

Uber Cup

Grp A : China , Indonesia , Netherlands
Grp B : Chinese Taipei , Germany , South Africa
Grp C : Japan , Denmark , Malaysia
Grp D : Korea , Australia , Canada

[ants]

It seems that China and Indonesia face each other in grp fights both in Thomas and Uber ... but it will be more exciting to watch the mens.

[hcyong]

Took me some time to find but here it is.

A1 v D2/C3
B1 v C2/D3 semis
----------------------------- final
C1 v A2/B3 semis
D1 v B2/A3

[hcyong]

Originally posted by ants
Thomas Cup

Grp A : China , Indonesia , USA
Grp B : Korea , Germany , New Zealand
Grp C : Malaysia , Thailand , South Africa
Grp D : Denmark , Japan , England


If all goes according to seedings the quarters will be:-

China v Japan
Korea v Thailand
Malaysia v Indonesia (!)
Denmark v Germany

Looks like the the situation is asking for gamesmanship. For instance, Malaysia may not want to meet anybody in Group A, so may choose to place second in their group. Or maybe Indonesia prefers Denmark, so throws away USA match. In anticipating so, Germany may want to lose to New Zealand to avoid facing Indonesia. Hopefully the situation is hard enough so that all teams will play to win and just accept the future in store.

I would prefer a simple crossover quarterfinals, for instance A1 v B2, B1 v A2 etc. That way, each team would surely want to finish top in order to play the lesser team in the other group (with exceptions), and if you can't finish top, surely you want to finish second to avoid elimination (without exceptions).

[hcyong]

Originally posted by ants
Uber Cup

Grp A : China , Indonesia , Netherlands
Grp B : Chinese Taipei , Germany , South Africa
Grp C : Japan , Denmark , Malaysia
Grp D : Korea , Australia , Canada

On the ladies side, I think China and Korea are just too strong. They should meet in the finals, where China will win 5-0. In fact I will be mildly surprised if China does not win 5-0 in every tie.

[HoNgHoNg]

wat's the difference between Thomas Cup n Uber Cup???
when n where is Thomas Cup n Uber Cup held???
is Lin Dan n Xuanze playing in either of them??? :confused:

[ants]

wat's the difference between Thomas Cup n Uber Cup???
when n where is Thomas Cup n Uber Cup held???
is Lin Dan n Xuanze playing in either of them??? :confused:
It will be played in Indonesia this year. Thomas Cup is for Mens while Uber is for Womens.

[HoNgHoNg]

It will be played in Indonesia this year. Thomas Cup is for Mens while Uber is for Womens.

Ohh i c...... r Lin Dan n Xuanze playing in Thomas Cup this may???
i'm planning to go over to watch if they r playing :p

[ants]

Ohh i c...... r Lin Dan n Xuanze playing in Thomas Cup this may???
i'm planning to go over to watch if they r playing :p

Most likely they will play as i'm sure Coach Li Yongbo need them to get some points in the Mens Single.

[libra]

Ohh i c...... r Lin Dan n Xuanze playing in Thomas Cup this may???
i'm planning to go over to watch if they r playing :p

Very brave of you... most people are afraid of going to Jakarta during that time as it clashes with their national election.

I think I read that the Danish team wrote in a formal letter to IBF voicing their concerns about playing in Jakarta.

[HoNgHoNg]

Very brave of you... most people are afraid of going to Jakarta during that time as it clashes with their national election.

I think I read that the Danish team wrote in a formal letter to IBF voicing their concerns about playing in Jakarta.


hehhee.... haven confirm yet... will c how the situation there 1st
who noe mayb they will change venue for the game??? :confused:

[ants]

HongHong.. why not just watch on T.V.. btw are you going to K.L to watch the ABC Championship?

[da ding]

On the ladies side, I think China and Korea are just too strong. They should meet in the finals, where China will win 5-0. In fact I will be mildly surprised if China does not win 5-0 in every tie.

i think Jun Jae Youn and Ra/Lee have a chance to get a few points for Korea against China

[hcyong]

i think Jun Jae Youn and Ra/Lee have a chance to get a few points for Korea against China

People will always have chances, but the chances can be small. The chance of Jun and Ra/Lee both winning against China is even smaller. The chance of Korea taking three ties from China is amazingly tiny.

[HoNgHoNg]

HongHong.. why not just watch on T.V.. btw are you going to K.L to watch the ABC Championship?
watch LIVE is much more interesting n exciting
when is the ABC championship??? mayb i'll go... since KL is not very far from Spore :p

[ants]

watch LIVE is much more interesting n exciting
when is the ABC championship??? mayb i'll go... since KL is not very far from Spore :p
It will be in April 20-25

[HoNgHoNg]

It will be in April 20-25

where is the venue of the tournament??? time??? :confused:

[ants]

where is the venue of the tournament??? time??? :confused:
I don't know .. maybe Cheras Stadium or Bukit Jalil..

[HoNgHoNg]

I don't know .. maybe Cheras Stadium or Bukit Jalil..
can keep me inform? thanx :)

[wilfredlgf]

Honghong, you will get to see some of the most electrifying matches in badminton history in the Thomas or Uber Cups, most esp when the competition is tight. In such team events, all points matter and each will be out to really play their heart out to win. Being the only hope of their respective countries, you will see the tensed atmosphere where each and every hit will determine who will emerge champion at the end. This is when losing is not an option. ;) Especially, when the score is tied at 2 - 2 and the final game will determine the winner.

The atmosphere is totally splendid - perhaps even more vocal than that of the World Championships. The pride of the nations will be at stake and each will be out there to avoid any sort of failure. Players join the Open tournaments every year and they would win or lose, and it may not matter - but the cups, it's different altogether. It is the One.

Thomas and Uber Cup, the World Cup of badminton.

Enjoy yourself! :)
Woooaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww!!! I can't wait, I can't wait!!! :D

[Loh]

HongHong.. why not just watch on T.V.. btw are you going to K.L to watch the ABC Championship?

Ants, you mustn't spoil the fun for HongHong. I'm sure the excitement in Jarkarta will be EXPLOSIVE!!! How many of us have the chance in a lifetime to experience this? If you are a true blue badminton die hard fan, and with Jakarta not too far away, compared with say Korea, Denmark or worse still, Vancouver or Mountain View, then you should seriously not give it a miss.

And all this at a time when Indonesia is going to defend the TC for the fifth consecutive time (?), you can imagine what the scene in the stadium (?) will be like. Though the Indonisian players have not been performing to expectations at the recent IBF Grand Prix events, things will definitely be different by the time the TC is held in Jakarta!

So HongHong, don't miss this rare opportunity. In fact, I was hoping that you can jointly organize with Silvia, who should know Jakarta very well, and then we can have a group going there for say, three days, Fri, Sat and Sun, assuming Sun is the Finals, to witness the excitement ourselves. I am seriously considering of joining in. Maybe you can find out more and get things going because the date is drawing near and getting tickets, airfares and accommodations may be troublesome if delayed.

And Ants, good idea to drop by in KL for the ABC. Wonder will it be held at the same KLBA stadium for the TC qualifiers? :p

[libra]

Here is the breakdown

Thomas Cup

Grp A : China , Indonesia , USA
Grp B : Korea , Germany , New Zealand
Grp C : Malaysia , Thailand , South Africa
Grp D : Denmark , Japan , England

Uber Cup

Grp A : China , Indonesia , Netherlands
Grp B : Chinese Taipei , Germany , South Africa
Grp C : Japan , Denmark , Malaysia
Grp D : Korea , Australia , Canada


Interesting draw this time around
Thomas Cup:
Everyone's talking about runnerup group A (China/Indo) vs winner Group C (Malaysia) in the quarters. So my question is, which team would Malaysia choose to play? Also relavent, which team would want to play Malaysia?

I'd have to say that while Denmark is always a threat I don't see them making finals and the same goes for Korea.

The fight will be between China/Indo/Malaysia with Malaysia being the underdogs but somehow they seem to perform better in team events so I can't take them out of it.

Uber Cup:
Again group A seems to have grouped three strong nations in the same pool. I'd rate all three countries in the top 5 along with Denmark and Korea.

Still not too much analysis as I think it's common knowledge that Korea should easily take 2nd spot to China. Most exciting matches are likely to be between lower ranked teams in the quarters and even before that.

[Phil]

The atmosphere is totally splendid - perhaps even more vocal than that of the World Championships. The pride of the nations will be at stake and each will be out there to avoid any sort of failure. Players join the Open tournaments every year and they would win or lose, and it may not matter - but the cups, it's different altogether. It is the One.
Agreed. Team competitions are much more intense and exhilirating to play in. I had my first chance to play in one about a month ago at the Ontario Winter Games, and it was so much more intense than any tournament I'd been to before. Crazy yelling, cheering, screaming, man was it loud in there. And this was by no means an elite tournament. Team events beat individual events hands-down in terms of... well, everything!

Best part of the team tournament was the finals, where it was tied 4-4 and came down to the Mixed Doubles, which was decided 15-13 in the third set.

Phil

[wilfredlgf]

Best part of the team tournament was the finals, where it was tied 4-4 and came down to the Mixed Doubles, which was decided 15-13 in the third set.

PhilThe crowd must've brought down the roof when the shuttle hit the ground for the final point. That is one close score. 2002 was like that when Indonesia and Malaysia were tied at 2-2, leaving the decider to be decided by Hendrawan and Roslin. Hendrawan eventually won, and ran away as his team mates rushed in to mob him! ;)

[kong-19]

It is a dream and excitment to watch major tournments live. :)
Having been to China to watch the T/C in 2002. And the
Malaysian Open last year. Now I prefer to watch the tournments
on TV.

[HoNgHoNg]

Ants, you mustn't spoil the fun for HongHong. I'm sure the excitement in Jarkarta will be EXPLOSIVE!!! How many of us have the chance in a lifetime to experience this? If you are a true blue badminton die hard fan, and with Jakarta not too far away, compared with say Korea, Denmark or worse still, Vancouver or Mountain View, then you should seriously not give it a miss.

And all this at a time when Indonesia is going to defend the TC for the fifth consecutive time (?), you can imagine what the scene in the stadium (?) will be like. Though the Indonisian players have not been performing to expectations at the recent IBF Grand Prix events, things will definitely be different by the time the TC is held in Jakarta!

So HongHong, don't miss this rare opportunity. In fact, I was hoping that you can jointly organize with Silvia, who should know Jakarta very well, and then we can have a group going there for say, three days, Fri, Sat and Sun, assuming Sun is the Finals, to witness the excitement ourselves. I am seriously considering of joining in. Maybe you can find out more and get things going because the date is drawing near and getting tickets, airfares and accommodations may be troublesome if delayed.

And Ants, good idea to drop by in KL for the ABC. Wonder will it be held at the same KLBA stadium for the TC qualifiers? :p

silvia hasn't confirm if she is going over to watch TC yet.... if she's going, i'll go with her... if she isn't then i'll ask an indonesian friend, who lives in jakarta to bring me there.... hehehe n most probably i'll b staying at my friend's place
but rite now, i reali need to confirm the TC play date with my friend so she can arrange n get the tix for me.... n i'll have to book my air-tix too :)

[HoNgHoNg]

Honghong, you will get to see some of the most electrifying matches in badminton history in the Thomas or Uber Cups, most esp when the competition is tight. In such team events, all points matter and each will be out to really play their heart out to win. Being the only hope of their respective countries, you will see the tensed atmosphere where each and every hit will determine who will emerge champion at the end. This is when losing is not an option. ;) Especially, when the score is tied at 2 - 2 and the final game will determine the winner.

The atmosphere is totally splendid - perhaps even more vocal than that of the World Championships. The pride of the nations will be at stake and each will be out there to avoid any sort of failure. Players join the Open tournaments every year and they would win or lose, and it may not matter - but the cups, it's different altogether. It is the One.

Thomas and Uber Cup, the World Cup of badminton.

Enjoy yourself! :)
Woooaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwww!!! I can't wait, I can't wait!!! :D
hahaha... i'm reali excited abt it too....
but i'm a supporter of China players (Lin Dan & Xuanze), i heard tat the people there will b abit unfriendly towards foreign players.... will i get stared if i cheer for Lin Dan n Xuanze??? or mayb i don even dare to cheer....... *shrugs*

[ants]

Make sure you have Handful of Bodyguards with you HongHong when you go and watch.. :) They have the rowdiest crowd there.

[wilfredlgf]

hahaha... i'm reali excited abt it too....
but i'm a supporter of China players (Lin Dan & Xuanze), i heard tat the people there will b abit unfriendly towards foreign players.... will i get stared if i cheer for Lin Dan n Xuanze??? or mayb i don even dare to cheer....... *shrugs* You can stick to the crowd of Chinese supporters, no problem. If it ever gets unruly, there's a buffer from the right and left, giving you some cushion! ;)

China is meeting Indonesia in the group stages and maybe in the later rounds as well, so... let's see how good is your self control is when Xia or Lin Dan does that magnificent save or rally that gets you all excited...

The only thing is if you can get your Mandarin to be accented enough to blend in to the Red Army to not be considered an 'enemy' from overseas... Unless you are Chinese, to begin with, then no disguise needed... haha ;)

[HoNgHoNg]

You can stick to the crowd of Chinese supporters, no problem. If it ever gets unruly, there's a buffer from the right and left, giving you some cushion! ;)

China is meeting Indonesia in the group stages and maybe in the later rounds as well, so... let's see how good is your self control is when Xia or Lin Dan does that magnificent save or rally that gets you all excited...

The only thing is if you can get your Mandarin to be accented enough to blend in to the Red Army to not be considered an 'enemy' from overseas... Unless you are Chinese, to begin with, then no disguise needed... haha ;)
yup i'm a chinese.... so i shld choose to sit with the China supporters ah.... herhehe then i can shout out loud "JIA YOU AH LIN DAN / XUANZE~!!!" :D

[wilfredlgf]

yup i'm a chinese.... so i shld choose to sit with the China supporters ah.... herhehe then i can shout out loud "JIA YOU AH LIN DAN / XUANZE~!!!" :D
Chinese as in with a capital 'C' and Mao Zedong? Alright then, you'll blend in like duck to water! ;)

[shuyi]

Does anybody have details on the tickets? Or is there any websites that we can get more information about Thomas/Uber Cup 2004? Eg, the place where it is held etc...

Thanks!