interesting scenario now.

in the top 16 , we have:

3x Danish players who will qualify
3x Korean players who will qualify
2x Chinese
2x Thai
1x Malaysia
1x England
1x HK
1x Poland (!)

and that left 2x Indonesia, namely Alven/Luluk + Limpele/Hian

if no more Indonesian players enters the top 16, then those two pairs will go. the two pairs that are close to the 16 are Sigit/Trikus (#19) & Candra/Halim (#20).

they only have 3 more tournaments left (KO,JO,Asian Champs). Candra/Halim just got knocked off KO. they better do very very well to gain the extra points otherwise we may not see the defending Olympic gold medalists in Athens.

on the next level down, we have Chan/Chew hanging on the #34 spot. if they managed to creep up to #32, they will qualify. however, they also lost in KO so they too will have to fight hard.

it also appears that our friend Thomas Laybourn & partner Peter Steffensen won't quality this time around, they are the 4th pair from Denmark sitting at #23

the race is tighter than in singles. only 19 pairs are allowed to go. none of the countries have more than 3 pairs in the top 16 so it may just be pairs ranked #1->#19 who get to go. actually, if Sigit/Trikus or Candra/Halim did make it into top 19 but not top 16, they will be skipped and the next rank down will get to go, how cruel!

Kwun, how will the host country (Greece) or the continental representations rules effect this? I think only the top 16 will qualify plus the top usa, south africa and new zeal / australia.

The good news for the indonesian pairs at 19, 20 is that they are there with only 9 events counting (beofre korea) so whatever they get at korea or before the end of the month will be added to their total, they need to make up 100 pts on the 16th placed pair.....

Most likely the Msians doubles will not be able to get gold.

Most likely the Msians doubles will not be able to get gold.
This is about qualification, not who gets gold :o

This is about qualification, not who gets gold :oYeah .. sorry.. but we only have one pair that qualified so far.. max 2 pairs. Hard to beat the other contenders

This is about qualification, not who gets gold :o

Well, ultimately, it's about who gets the gold. And to get the gold, you must first qualify for it. Unfortunately, due to factors like injury, some players of calibre who is able to challenge for the gold, may not be able to qualify. Like Chan/Chew (if on form that is).

Kwun, how will the host country (Greece) or the continental representations rules effect this? I think only the top 16 will qualify plus the top usa, south africa and new zeal / australia.only two players (and i think it means players not pairs) from Greece are allowed. more specifically, the top two ranking Greek players. so here is the interesting part. the top Greek players are a WD pair at #54. however, there is also an MD pair at #55. those two will be closely contested.

but what i said still hold, Sigit/Trikus or Candra/Halim will only qualify if they make it into the top 16...

I think Greece will be selecting their MD pair (that's what I heard a few months ago).

Well, ultimately, it's about who gets the gold. And to get the gold, you must first qualify for it. Unfortunately, due to factors like injury, some players of calibre who is able to challenge for the gold, may not be able to qualify. Like Chan/Chew (if on form that is).
that's the cruel nature of professional competition, there is no consolation prize for the injured parties.

in the on-going Korean Open, the two top Indonesian pairs shows that they deserve to be at their spots. both are still alive at the semi-final stage while the other two pairs are already out, one at 1st round, the other at 3rd.

In the latest ibf dummy qual list it seems the greece nomination will be md, meaning even the 16th wr pair don't qualify.

Candra/Halim, Sigit/Tri should have considered playing more events, especially easier events rather than gambling on suceeding at the big events, where they have invariably crashed out early on. When you see the polish pair at 15 , with repsect to the poles its a pity the indos aren't higher up.

In the latest ibf dummy qual list it seems the greece nomination will be md, meaning even the 16th wr pair don't qualify.

Candra/Halim, Sigit/Tri should have considered playing more events, especially easier events rather than gambling on suceeding at the big events, where they have invariably crashed out early on. When you see the polish pair at 15 , with repsect to the poles its a pity the indos aren't higher up.

Their partnership started less than a year ago. Before that, it was Candra/Sigit. I don't know why the Indons switched them, but if none of them qualify, it would be because of that.

The Polish pair look set to qual in 15th place, lets look how they got those points...
Their best ten events...
They won the Swedish, Bitburger, Austrian and scottish opens.They picked up points at the TC qual, Chinese Tapei, Singapore, Denamrk, AE, DUtch.

This allowed them to drop their less successful events..German, Korea, Hong Kong, Indonesian, Malaysian, Worlds etc.

In their ten counting events the only top 20 pair I can see they have beaten is Lamp/Boe, in the events they won there were no top 20 pairs, yet all credit to the poles, they have put in the hard work on the circut and chosen their events wisely.

This is the way to go to have a good shot at qualifying, winning lower european circuit events gives 180 points, an average of only just over 180 is needed to qualify.

Playing only the big events like the indos have done, esepcially without a seeding is very risky. Whilst Candra/Halim have beaten a few top pairs, in almost every event they have played a top pair first/second round, because they are unseeded.

Archer employed similar tactics to the poles in his race back up the WR in mixed, winning some 6 or 7 smaller events in a row.

Archer employed similar tactics to the poles in his race back up the WR in mixed, winning some 6 or 7 smaller events in a row. Yes, and this was after crashing too early in several big events before that.
He changed his strategy to come back in the world ranking and the facts gave him right.

I think Europeans have been using the world ranking system more intelligently than the Asians, and this might give them quite a lot of players in the olympics who would have never qualified otherwise...

Yes, and this was after crashing too early in several big events before that.
He changed his strategy to come back in the world ranking and the facts gave him right.

I think Europeans have been using the world ranking system more intelligently than the Asians, and this might give them quite a lot of players in the olympics who would have never qualified otherwise...

There are a lot of these small events in Europe. And travelling from one place in Europe to another is mostly hassle-free and cheap. Not exactly true in the case of Asia.

The exception for Asian players are the Japanese. The Japanese are immensely hardworking and you see them everywhere. That's why some of them are quite high in the rankings even though they get nowhere in the big tournaments.

Yes, and this was after crashing too early in several big events before that.
He changed his strategy to come back in the world ranking and the facts gave him right.

I think Europeans have been using the world ranking system more intelligently than the Asians, and this might give them quite a lot of players in the olympics who would have never qualified otherwise...

Totally agree. Maybe Asians tend to go for the 'big' gamble to get lots of points at one go. :p

HK used similar tactics during the last Olympic qualification period. I remember the players going for tournament in exotic places like S America to pick up points.

I know this is in mixed but look at Archer/Kelloggs counting events to get 1713 pts (WR16)

Won Portugal, Slovenia,Iceland , Scotland, Irish , Austrian =6 x 180 pts
Thailand semis =210pts, AE last 16 =168pts,HK last 32=135pts, singapore last 32 =120pts

The bulk of the points come from the six euro events, events discounted include Indo, C-Tapei,, DUtch, German, Denmark, Malaysia, China.

Most of their losses in big events were against top 4 pairs, sometimes after playing through qual. Its fine just playing the top events if you are seeded but if , as with the indo mens doubles you are not getting seeded you need to put the work in on the American, Australian or european events to boost your average.

Countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia should be using the rankings system to their best advantage to ensure they get maximum qualifiers in the doubles events in olympic /wc years.

If you look the last dummy list in MD, only 3 european's contries are in the list. Then i think the most important is not to choose the best tournament for the WR, but it's to win matchs!!! ;)
In single, that's a little bit different.

The 15 pairs on merit are
3 kor
3 den
1 eng
1 mal
2 ina
2 thai
1 pol
2 chn

I would suggest that ina should have 3 on merit, mal possibly 2, chn possibly 3, (their 3rd pair beat clark/robertson at japan today.) The pairs which would be pushed out possibly 3rd den and pol

To give you some input about Polish MD strategy, it is that they go to every tournament including big and small ones. It is obvious that majority of their points comes from wins of smaller tournaments.

The strategy of entering only big tourneys adopted by Indons and Malaysians (note that Chew/Chan entered A-graded French Open where they were beaten in q/f by the Danish pair who lost few months ago in Swedish Open to Polish Łogosz/Mateusiak :rolleyes: ) is very effective but only if you are winning...

I think Poles will go to the OG (as they did four years ago), especially if they manage to earn extra points during European Championships next week which is 4* (two and four years ago they finished bronze).

regards,
dzgdz

You're right.
This polish had the bronze medal in the European in 2000 and 2002.
and they won the swedish open against the finalist of french open.
Then... it's not a question of strategy, just a question of level !!!

But may be some people wants an olympic draw with :
3 INA
3 CHN
3 KOR
3 MAL
3 DEN
and an african ;)

Just with the merit... :D

Current dummy list for MD. A few changes from last dummy list compiled by IBF. The Indons have 4 pairs in the top 16. The last few spots in the top 16 is hotly contested.

top 16 pairs
1 PAASKE Lars (DEN) / 9578 - RASMUSSEN Jonas (DEN) 9 3129 1 365.89 10 3,494.89 (DEN1 - EUR1)
2 FU Haifeng (CHN) / 50251 - CAI Yun (CHN) 9 3033 1 301.85 10 3,334.85 (CHN1 - ASIA1)
3 HA Tae Kwon (KOR) / 5745 - KIM Dong Moon (KOR) 9 2946 1 305.86 10 3,251.86 (KOR1)
4 CHOONG Tan Fook (MAS) / 7760 - LEE Wan Wah (MAS) 9 2805 1 278.56 10 3,083.56 (MAS1)
5 ERIKSEN Jens (DEN) / 4108 - LUNDGAARD HANSEN Martin (DEN) 9 2613 1 310.14 10 2,923.14 (DEN2)
6 SANG Yang (CHN) / 51282 - ZHENG Bo (CHN) 9 2643 1 244.56 10 2,887.56 (CHN2)
7 HADIYANTO Luluk (INA) / 11354 - ALVEN Yulianto (INA) 10 2883 0 0 10 2,883.00 (INA1)
8 LIMPELE ~ Flandi (INA) / 8011 - HIAN ~ Eng (INA) 10 2757 0 0 10 2,757.00 (INA2)
9 LEE Dong Soo (KOR) / 4766 - YOO Yong Sung (KOR) 9 2358 1 283.77 10 2,641.77 (KOR2)
10 ROBERTSON Nathan (ENG) / 9819 - CLARK Anthony (ENG) 9 2028 1 252.17 10 2,280.17 (GBR1)
11 KUSH ARYANTO Tri (INA) / 7928 - BUDIARTO Sigit (INA) 10 2217 0 0 10 2,217.00 (INA3)
12 YIM Bang Eun (KOR) / 10205 - KIM Yong Hyun (KOR) 9 1989 1 196.2 10 2,185.20 (KOR3)
13 T. Pramote (THA) / 7058 - PANVISVAS Tesana (THA) 9 1914 1 263.91 10 2,177.91 (THA1)
WIJAYA Candra (INA) / 4392 - HARYANTO Halim (INA) 10 2145 0 0 10 2,145.00
14 P. Sudket (THA) / 10763 - NGERNSRISUK Patapol (THA) 9 1764 1 220.47 10 1,984.47 (THA2)
15 LOGOSZ Michal (POL) / 4253 - MATEUSIAK Robert (POL) 9 1728 1 192.09 10 1,920.09 (POL1)


top 64 pairs
LAMP Michael (DEN) / 50292 - BOE Mathias (DEN) 9 1686 1 196.5 10 1,882.50
LIU Kwok Wa (HKG) / 50498 - NJOTO * Albertus Susanto (HKG) 9 1662 1 208.19 10 1,870.19
OHTSUKA Tadashi (JPN) / 8788 - MASUDA Keita (JPN) 9 1626 1 178.46 10 1,804.46
16 HAN Kevin (Qi) (USA) / 6783 - BACH Howard (USA) 9 1596 1 173.04 10 1,769.04 (USA1 - PANAM1)
LLOPIS Sergio (ESP) / 8886 - CRESPO Jose Antonio (ESP) 9 1524 1 170.7 10 1,694.70
CHEW Choon Eng (MAS) / 8477 - CHAN Chong Ming (MAS) 10 1575 0 0 10 1,575.00
LAIGLE Vincent (FRA) / 4922 - STOYANOV ~ * Svetoslav (FRA) 10 1569 0 0 10 1,569.00
LAYBOURN Thomas (DEN) / 50385 - STEFFENSEN Peter (DEN) 9 1530 0 0 9 1,530.00
HOPP Kristof (GER) / 9258 - TESCHE Thomas (GER) 9 1383 1 145.12 10 1,528.12


(... others)
17 VELKOS ~ Theodoros (GRE) / 12072 - PATIS George (GRE) 9 723 1 79.73 10 802.73 (HOST1)
18 CARSON ~ Stewart (RSA) / 13318 - JAMES Dorian (RSA) 9 675 1 81.75 10 756.75 (RSA1 - AFR1)
19 DENNEY Travis (AUS) / 12704 - BREHAUT Ashley (AUS) 9 987 1 101.4 10 1,088.40 (AUS1 - OCE1)

The gap is a bit too far for Chew/Chan to bridge with one tournament left.

Well looks like both the indonesians pairs will squeeze into contention at the last possible minute, on form trikush/sigit are the better pair, but it would seem likely that Candra/Halim will be picked?

:D :D :D

cai/fu are now ranked second!!!!! well done!!!! :D

How many pair does a country allowed to have in the event?????

NO, it will be easy for Chan/ Chew to qualify.
They're 22nd and they have to play the ABC. At least 168 points (last 16) and they 'll reach the 20th place. That's ok to qualify, no problem for them!!!

I think the 23rd or 24th will qualify in MD.

Zhao only the top 15 plus Greece and 3 continental representatives will qualify!!!

!!NO, it will be easy for Chan/ Chew to qualify.
They're 22nd and they have to play the ABC. At least 168 points (last 16) and they 'll reach the 20th place. That's ok to qualify, no problem for them!!!

I think the 23rd or 24th will qualify in MD.
What are you basing this statement on??? :confused:

All official simulations show that you need to be in the top 16 to qualify...
(or be number one in Africa, America or Oceania otherwise)

Top 15 plus Greece and 3 continental representatives will qualify, that's for the first list but after IBF will nominate 3 or 4 pairs. And this year may be more than 3 or 4 in doubles.

In Sydney, 23 pairs were qualify !!! ;)



Easy for Chew and Chan !!!

Zhao, you are correct!, my apologies!.... there may be additional places based on beds made free from players qualifying in two events....

Looking at the mixed qualifiers who are also in doubles....

Kim, Ra, Gao Ling, Robertson, Emms, Rasmussen, Olsen, Lee Hyo jung/Kim Yong, Tingting, Eriksson, Schjoldager,Paaske, Harder,

plus Mia plays wd and ws...

In doubles 19x2 qual= 38 players x 3 events =114
in singles 29 x 2events=58
Total 172 beds less say 15 who play 2 events ...that gives 15 extra places, depends how they are split over the 5 disciplines...

well, Zhao you're not completely wrong but still you're very optimistic!!!!! :rolleyes: :p

There is no guarantee that any additionnal places will be attributed to MD, IBF has the choice between all five disciplins...

even if there will likely be one or two (or three?) additionnal pairs, it is very dangerous to bank on that and I think being only ranked 20th is very risky. :eek:

I'm not very optimistic, just very realistic :D

Theadditionnal places will be attributed to all five disciplins, but more for doubles because this year it's not possible for a single player to play in double ! And double's first list will be with only 19 pairs, strange draw... ;)

With 231 points Chew/ Chan will finish 21st and third reserve.
Sure they'll be in the second list.

well... with their semi in ABC they might be able to make it now! :p