European Team Championships

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can be followed live here (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-en/compet.htm)!

(click on the match you want to follow to open a popup with live scoring)

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Group A :

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/den.png Denmark (DEN) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team1.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/cze.png Czek Republic (CZE) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team4.htm) 5/0 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie46.htm)

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/fin.png Finland (FIN) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team2.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/pol.png Poland (POL) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team3.htm) 1/4 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie47.htm)

Group B :

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/eng.png England (ENG) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team5.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/slo.png Slovenia (SLO) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team7.htm) 5/0 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie52.htm)

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/rus.png Russia (RUS) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team6.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/wal.png Wales (WAL) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team8.htm) 5/0 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie53.htm)

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Currently :

Sweden leading 2-0 against Spain
Germany leading 1-0 against Scotland
Ukraine leading 1-0 against Bulgaria
Netherlands and France still in the first match (third set in the mixed doubles)

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Group C :

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/ned.png Netherlands (NED) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team9.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/fra.png France (FRA) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team10.htm) 4/1 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie58.htm)
http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/ukr.png Ukraine (UKR) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team15.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/bul.png Bulgaria (BUL) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team14.htm) 4/1 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie59.htm)
Group D :

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/ger.png Germany (GER) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team16.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/sco.png Scotland (SCO) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team13.htm) 5/0 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie64.htm)
http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/swe.png Sweden (SWE) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team11.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/esp.png Spain (ESP) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team12.htm) 5/0 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie65.htm)

[seawell]

Thanks seven!!! :)

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Group A :

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/den.png Denmark (DEN) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team1.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/pol.png Poland (POL) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team3.htm) 5/0 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie45.htm)
http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/fin.png Finland (FIN) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team2.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/cze.png Czek Republic (CZE) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team4.htm) 3/2 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie48.htm)

Group B :

http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/eng.png England (ENG) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team5.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/wal.png Wales (WAL) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team8.htm) 3/2 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie51.htm)
http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/rus.png Russia (RUS) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team6.htm) http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/slo.png Slovenia (SLO) (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team7.htm) 4/1 (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/tie54.htm)

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Thanks seven!!! :)
with pleasure! :D

[Zax]

Until the semifinals at least, all results will be pretty predictable... The Asian Championships are more interesting, I think.

[Gade supporter]

Denmark will win for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

espicially with Gade in topform.

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Until the semifinals at least, all results will be pretty predictable... The Asian Championships are more interesting, I think.
I agree Asian Champs are more interesting because they are somehow less predictable maybe, but also because the level is simply much better! :p

This won't stop me from also following the European Champs though! :D

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Denmark will win for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

espicially with Gade in topform. Denmark clearly stand as favourites but this has nothing to do with Gade's form : whoever plays in men's singles (with or without Gade), the Danes MS are too good for any other team anyway.

I think England or Netherlands can potentially beat Denmark if they manage well...
(England by winning the three doubles, Netherlands by winning WS,WD and XD)

So wait and see before you claim victory too soon! :p

[Gade supporter]

Denmark clearly stand as favourites but this has nothing to do with Gade's form : whoever plays in men's singles (with or without Gade), the Danes are too good for any other team anyway.

I think England or Netherlands can potentially beat Denmark if they manage well...
(England by winning the three doubles, Netherlands by winning WS,WD and XD)

So wait and see before you claim victory too soon! :p
Hehe i know Denmark is going to win, Netherlands only got a chance in WS, and England dosnt have a chance of beating the world champions in MD, so i would say that Denmark are the winning team on monday.

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hey, don't be so arrogant! :(

has no one ever taught you that the outcome of a match is never decided before the match is actually played and over?

Clark/Robertson can beat any pair in the world on a good day, the dane WD have been quite crap lately and Robertson/Emms have been performing much better than the Danish pairs in XD recently...

And for Netherlands, both dutch WS and WD clearly stand as favourites, and they are also capable of winning the XD on a good day, though this will be hard.

In any case, for England or Netherlands to win, they aren't allowed any mistake (they can't lose any of the three matches that are winnable), so Denmark stays favourite but everything is still to be decided on the court!!!

[jamesd20]

surely Dicky palyama got some degree of chance in MS too. He has beaten chen hong, and many other good players.

[SmartCivet]

Maybe Dicky can dispel the desire of Dane take all the MS top four.

[Gade supporter]

:p Dicky Palyama hasnt got any chance, he will play against Jonassen in semifinals and lose. Yes Dicky has beaten Chen Hong, but Chen is not in very good form lately.

[jamesd20]

:p Dicky Palyama hasnt got any chance, he will play against Jonassen in semifinals and lose. Yes Dicky has beaten Chen Hong, but Chen is not in very good form lately.

Yeah your right, anyone can get to the Korean open final. :D

I wouldnt exactly say Jonassen has been on top of his game.

[Gade supporter]

guess you are right about Jonassen, but how about Gade, I would say Dicky should be happy if he got 10 points in 1 of the 2 sets. But it would be interesting to see a final between Dicky and Gade. But i dont think Dicky has got a chance of beating Gade.:p

[Gade supporter]

And just so you know Dicky only got in to the quarterfinals in Korea :D.

[belfastnole]

I believe james was referring to chen hong:rolleyes:

[Gade supporter]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:D

[Johnny]

In the team event I think England has an ok chance to beat Denmark in XD and MD, Holland has a good chance in WD and WS. The logical outcome is Denmark as the champions.

In the individual event it will be more difficult for the Danes... They last four European Championships Denmark have won at least 4 of the 5 individual titles, this time around I think that may change.

MS: Peter Gade
WS: Mia Audina
MD: Paaske/Rasmussen
WD: Mia/Lotte
XD: Robertson/Emms

Only 2 out of 5? Hey, something is wrong here! :eek:
But then again Denmark has a pretty good chance in both WD and XD, so maybe they will win 4 titles again, only time will tell.

Apart from this I would like to complain about the abysmal first round draw Kenneth and Anders have in MS :confused:
Kenneth is seeded first and Anders third so you would think they should get some completely nonames in at least the first round, but no. Kenneth will meet Irwansyah from Wales, and I have heard his name before unlike many of the other players :rolleyes: Even worse Anders will meet Ghaffar from England who beat none other than Bao Chun Lai in this years All England!
Not fair :p

[jamesd20]

Personally I think Jonassen has got a tougher draw playing Irwansyah. Not that I dont believe in Ghaffar, but Boessen is a fighter, who always gives his best, and his second best is better than ghaffars best (and we dont see that very often).

But good luck to both of them.

[Gade supporter]

Well even if they both got a bad draw they cant beat Gade. Jonassen is also struggeling with an injury, and Boesen has never defeated Gade. Maybe Palyama is the man to look after, but then again Gade is the best and therefore my vote goes to him.

[jamesd20]

Of course I agree, no european player is remotley close to Gade at the moment, or likely to be in the near future. (although I cant help thinking your name may make you slightly biased in opinion)


Am sure it matters to Jonassen and Boessen however (and ghaffar/irwansyah) that they get as far as they can. It wouldnt be much of a tournament if everyone thought, oh it doesnt matter if you get through, gade will win anyway.

But despite recognition he is the best, he still has to win. Could you briefly tell me what ranking events he has won this year?

[Gade supporter]

haha

You are right he hasnt won anything. I will tell you why. I see that there is 2 players Gade just cant beat at the moment Wong and Lin. Gade always wins the first set and then he loses the next 2. I think Gade can beat the other players not easily but has not lost to any other in a long time

[jamesd20]

Why do you think that is (not wanting to diverge the thread) I saw It cant be just due to fitness, as He has played much longer games against roslin and CH for example.

To be honest I think it is purely mental, that he knows these are two players who are the best. He knows against CH he has 7-1 record. He knows against bao that bao is weaker mentally than him. against taufik he can just beat him at the net, then he can win against xia, as he knows he is not the force as in WC.


-The roslin game (AE) showed that it wasnt mental strength in playing (IE coinfidence in his strokes) as he was really looking a spent force agianst him, tired, and roslin had him. But roslin made a few crucial errors, and he got himself there.

IMO it is more of a mental thing against the players that are recognised as the best.

[Gade supporter]

James look at the All England final. Gade won the first set, but lost stamina, because of all the hard matches he had been playing. Lin Dan had a much more easier way into the final. Then Korea open, Gade won first set against Wong, but lost the others, because he had a harder way , he had played Shon Seung Mo, the game lasted 3 sets. Japan open, Gade played one more match then Lin, and played Agus Hariyanto in 3 sets, and then Xia, then Lin Dan where he won the first set and was leading 8-1, that is what i call losing stamina i would like to see Lin vs. Gade in the first round, then the result might be different.

[jamesd20]

So why didnt he lose to Roslin in the third game(QF) when he had had a tough match (three sets) against CH the previous day(3R), then after he had easy game against Taufik the day after (SF), did he lose to lin dan.

You said yourself that the only players he has lost to has been lin and wong.

[Gade supporter]

I dont think Gade has a mental problem and he said to his own website. That if he had more stamina he think he could have beaten Lin.

[taneepak]

I dont think Gade has a mental problem and he said to his own website. That if he had more stamina he think he could have beaten Lin.

Therein lies the problem : stamina and a losing battle against his biological clock to improve his stamina. Lets face it, he is fighting battles against very good players who are newer, younger, fitter, and more numerous in numbers than ever. Now each of the top countries has at least 3 players who are no longer easy pickings. The same applies to Roslin and Wong CH.

[dlp]

Dissappointing to see England and Wales both fielding weak teams in todays matches. Thye would be among the first to complain when China throw matches yet rest all their A players on the final day of the team event, might as well just concede the matches or tell the players to lose 15-0 if they are only interested in the individuals...

[klaphat]

BUT.. Go Denmark.. Go Denmark.. Go Denmark..

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Finally both England and Netherlands presented a "B" team against Denmark!

Maybe this is because their main objective is the individual event so they prefer resting their best players rather than aiming for the team victory?...

Anyway this is obviously bad for the quality of the team event!... :(

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1 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/den.png Denmark (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team1.htm)
2 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/ned.png Netherlands (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team9.htm)
3 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/ger.png Germany (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team16.htm)
4 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/eng.png England (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team5.htm)
5 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/pol.png Poland (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team3.htm)
6 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/rus.png Russia (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team6.htm)
7 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/swe.png Sweden (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team11.htm)
8 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/fra.png France (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team10.htm)
9 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/ukr.png Ukraine (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team15.htm)
10 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/sco.png Scotland (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team13.htm)
11 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/wal.png Wales (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team8.htm)
12 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/fin.png Finland (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team2.htm)
13 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/bul.png Bulgaria (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team14.htm)
14 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/esp.png Spain (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team12.htm)
15 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/slo.png Slovenia (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team7.htm)
16 http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/img/cze.png Czek Republic (http://www.host-acgb.com/aotb/ceteam-fr/team4.htm)

[Gade supporter]

I dont think it is because they focussing more on the team event. I think they now they cant beat Denmark, the only player who had a chance was Mia Audina against Camilla, but if the teams wont play with their best players why hold the team tournament then:confused:

[Qidong]

Finally both England and Netherlands presented a "B" team against Denmark!

Maybe this is because their main objective is the individual event so they prefer resting their best players rather than aiming for the team victory?...

Anyway this is obviously bad for the quality of the team event!... :(

The Dutch may have no chance in Mixed double and Men's double. But it's possible to gain 3 points from female single, double and men single. The red hot Mia Audina should beat Camilla Martin who is recovering from injury. The women's double teams are quite even. And based on Dicky Palyama's recent performance, he should be able to give Peter Gade a good match or even an upset. Too bad, they just gave up.

[Johnny]

Yes, really disappointing the teams Holland and England fielded against Denmark :mad:

Their chances would have been slim at best even if they fielded their best players, but they should at least have tried! Holland was the most disappointing of the two since they were in the final and had nothing to lose. I can better understand England wanting to rest their best players so as to win the fight for the 3. place (failed in that too). And as the Danish national coach Steen Pedersen said: "I understand why England did it. We would win 19 times out of 20 whatever side he picked ... and perhaps even the other time too.".

Some said England and Holland wanted to rest their best players for the individual event where there is Olympic points at stake. The Danish players would like to get some of these points as well, but still Denmark fielded the best players both in the semifinal and the final, as it should be...

[seawell]

:p Dicky Palyama hasnt got any chance, he will play against Jonassen in semifinals and lose. Yes Dicky has beaten Chen Hong, but Chen is not in very good form lately.
Dicky Palyama hadnt beaten chen hong,he just beat baochunlai in korea open! :)

[jamesd20]

Youre right seawell, that was my misinformaion he mis mis quoted!! :D

Sorry gadesupporter/seawell.

He did take him to three in all england though, didnt he?

[Loh]

James look at the All England final. Gade won the first set, but lost stamina, because of all the hard matches he had been playing. Lin Dan had a much more easier way into the final. Then Korea open, Gade won first set against Wong, but lost the others, because he had a harder way , he had played Shon Seung Mo, the game lasted 3 sets. Japan open, Gade played one more match then Lin, and played Agus Hariyanto in 3 sets, and then Xia, then Lin Dan where he won the first set and was leading 8-1, that is what i call losing stamina i would like to see Lin vs. Gade in the first round, then the result might be different.

;) Just a note on scoring according to IBF's laws on badminton, so as to update ourselves and not to cause unnecessary confusion.

The updated version is: "a MATCH has a maximum of 3 GAMES" and

NOT

"a GAME has a maximum of 3 SETS"

So often we still hear even supposedly qualified umpires using the term SET instead of GAME although this change has been effected for some years now. This is disgraceful for they should be the ones to be updated first and educate us. But instead they reinforce the error time and again.

Unfortunately, many commentators as well as announcers also use the wrong word SET very so often. SET used to be the old term but now GAME is the correct version.

Obviously it seems we can't escape from the crutches of Tennis which has been dominating the TV than their younger brother Badminton!

I hope BFers will use the correct terms MATCH and GAME from now onwards for this is special to badminton.

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MS Semifinals

Jonassen/Dicky-Bjorn Joppien(stunned Kaldau in two sets)

Gade-Boesen

Looks like Gade is gonna take it as he never has lost to Boesen( last encounter was the danish championship where a ill Gade won 15-2 15-3 :eek: and he is soon getting near his old strengh.. If Gade wins this title and perform well under the TC and Malaysia Open he may earn a seeding spot as a 3/4 seed since he with a win in the European Championship will be close to Lee huyin ill and Bao. Go Gade!

[Dzgdz]

;) ....
I hope BFers will use the correct terms MATCH and GAME from now onwards for this is special to badminton.

I am wondering if in team events "SET" means a match (e.g. MS) and "MATCH" means the meeting between two teams (e.g. INA vs DEN).

In this case the word "set" makes sense in Badminton.

regards

dzgdz

[Morten]

Jonassen won in a hard 3 sets match, is to meet Bjorn Joppien tomorrow

[Loh]

I am wondering if in team events "SET" means a match (e.g. MS) and "MATCH" means the meeting between two teams (e.g. INA vs DEN).

In this case the word "set" makes sense in Badminton.

regards

dzgdz

:)
I'm sorry I missed this one until now.

Unfortunately the word "set" is not used in the sense you proposed. There is this same word 'set' appearing in the Laws, but this refers to a situation when the score is level at 14-all and the player/team who first scored 14 points has the prerogative to 'set' to 17 points or just to play straight 15 points. Maybe this word is not repeated to mean a game (as in Tennis) or even a match, so as not to confuse the terms.

If INA plays against DEN, we call it a 'match' between INA and DEN. I'm sure you've heard of friendly 'matches' between clubs. The same applies in individual events eg the 'match' between Lin Dan and Sony.

Sometimes we do hear of say, the Men's Single(s) 'event' instead of 'match'. Notice the word Singles has an 's' as well as Double(s). I have seen/heard many announcements both in writing and in speech which spelt these two words wrongly by using the singular form. Even in the current TC website, these two words were spelt wrongly in the singular form! It seems normal to say 'single', without the 's' but what of double? We just can't change the words to our liking or because we are ignorant! We've got to learn the right words! It is a shame and if this is not corrected, it will always remain wrong and the mistake will perpetuate!

Unfortunately, despite attempts to correct the mistakes, you can still see BFers using the terms wrongly time and again. It is a pity because, being ardent badminton fans, we should know better! :(