How to spot the Fake Yonex Racquet Tutorial

[bluejeff]

I have made a website today, teaching people how to spot the Fake and the Real Yonex Badminton Racquet :)

http://www.geocities.com/blueshuttletw/index.htm

Um....since the website is still new, I didn't have time to put much of the fancy features on it. Also, it is in Chinese/Mandarin for now, but I will make a English page probably some time this week at the same address. (You will be able to choose from Chinese-Mandarin or English)

Let me know what you think! :) (Especially if I made a mistake :p)

[vincenterika]

U are TW ppl?
Nice website hehe...

[forrestyung]

I cannot open it, I will retry tonight.

[bluejeff]

Since it's a free web service, geocities can only allow about 5-10 people within a hour....... :(

I just don't have the money to buy a good host account.....:p

[cooler]

lol, i got in and look around, click out, and try to go back in and can't.
i guess i was the last guy that hour :p

[bluejeff]

lol, i got in and look around, click out, and try to go back in and can't.
i guess i was the last guy that hour :p
Darn it :p Cooler sucked out all the bandwidth!!

The page is about 1MB big.....so the bandwidth runs out quick.....

I guess I will have to cross link it to my other 2 sites to solve this traffic problem......obviously there are too many people want to learn how to spot the fakes. :)

Please try the link only after a hour or so, Thanks.

[cooler]

i wasnt able to see the last view pics.
3 bottom pics have red X's box

[bluejeff]

i wasnt able to see the last view pics.
3 bottom pics have red X's box
now it should work :)
I just crossed linked it to my other two sites, so bandwidth problem should be solved. :cool:

I am an IT guy;)

[wood_22_chuck]

The pics are missing ... the first 5 or so are there, but the rest says "Image hosted by blah-blah"

-dave

[bluejeff]

The pics are missing ... the first 5 or so are there, but the rest says "Image hosted by blah-blah"

-dave
As of 1:08AM EST, I can load it fine......:confused:

Let me know if the problem is still there.

PS: the first 5 pics are in homestead so they are fine. the rest of the pics are in tripod....which is a new account....not sure if they have any limits or something like that....

[elepin]

i dont understand the language.... :confused:

[bluejeff]

i dont understand the language.... :confused:
I will make an English page sometime this week :p
(I just cut my fingers at cooking, so now I can't type very fast)

[vincenterika]

"geocities can only allow about 5-10 people within a hour....... "

Sigh... :p

[wood_22_chuck]

As of 1:08AM EST, I can load it fine......:confused:

Let me know if the problem is still there.

PS: the first 5 pics are in homestead so they are fine. the rest of the pics are in tripod....which is a new account....not sure if they have any limits or something like that....


Still no good for me ... 10:45 am PST ... No biggie, but I'll wait for the English version.

Tuck in your fingers while cutting, use a dry cloth while picking up hot handles!

-dave

[Psycho V]

Nice tutorial!

I didn't noe there was so many small differences!

[shiriblue]

use fateback.com bluejeff. the ad is like at the top only and its small. dont worry about popups either since there is none. so either way its good. plus its free and has unlimited bandwidth transfer :D

[bluejeff]

use fateback.com bluejeff. the ad is like at the top only and its small. dont worry about popups either since there is none. so either way its good. plus its free and has unlimited bandwidth transfer :D
GGGREEAATT!! Unlimited bandwidth!! I will have to take a look now!! :D:D

[LazyBuddy]

The pics are missing ... the first 5 or so are there, but the rest says "Image hosted by blah-blah"

-dave

Yeah, I got the same.

Great job, Jeff!!!

Btw, for #1, I would take out "most new rackets are long version". I know it's very true, but kinda confuse racket newbies, as they might think a good cab20, cab20ms, etc could be fake too. Maybe should just suggestion them to pay special attention to spec, and compare the "length", etc.

[bluejeff]

Yeah, I got the same.

Great job, Jeff!!!

Btw, for #1, I would take out "most new rackets are long version". I know it's very true, but kinda confuse racket newbies, as they might think a good cab20, cab20ms, etc could be fake too. Maybe should just suggestion them to pay special attention to spec, and compare the "length", etc.
Yeah, I will have to modify that a bit :)

Really? :confused: It works fine for me......let me take a closer look.

By the way, I have signed up for that new web host....but they still have not email me the password yet (it's been 2 hours),.....I will have to wait on that.

[shiriblue]

they kinda take awhile. if they dont reply back to you i can create one under my account too.

[bluejeff]

I think it should work now at these web links:

http://free.hostdepartment.com/b/bluejeff/
or
http://free.hostdepartment.com/b/bluejeff/index.html

I have made both Chinese and English Links! =)
(So you can choose from either English or Chinese/Mandarin)

Take a look! :)

[cooler]

I think it should work now at these web links:

http://free.hostdepartment.com/b/bluejeff/
or
http://free.hostdepartment.com/b/bluejeff/index.html

I have made both Chinese and English Links! =)
(So you can choose from either English or Chinese/Mandarin)

Take a look! :)

It's finally all there now :)

[klc28]

Good job BlueJeff!

That's super stuff.
I hope more people will read it so we can all spot the fakes from afar.

[bluejeff]

In fact, I have seen bad quality of fakes before, and you can spot more points from a bad quality fake (versus a high-quality fake).

The high quality one I wrote only have about 10+ points, for a bad quality one, I think I can write 20+ points on it :cool:

[TQuach98]

Also another good way to spot a real racquet between a fake racquet is to put the shaft of the racquet between ur thumb and ur pointing finger... pretend that you are holding something very micro in between ur finger and thumb... then give the racquet a good spin (using the racquet handle) if it's a real racquet.. the shaft should feel perfectly round and smooth.. (at least i know for higher end racquets).. and if the racquet is a fake, the shaft will feel slightly bumpy.. Keep in mind that this only applies to Yonex Racquets. I don't know about other companies, because i've come across a few authentic brands that were bumpy. :-D

[altreality]

Good tutorial/tips!

One thing to add is that older Yonex rackets actually use a slightly different logo...
The 2 "Y"'s have a "V" on top as opposed to the rectangle now....

Guess it shouldn't be a problem unless the racket is 17 years old like mine is !

[damon_kwan31]

I was just wondering why the fake Yonex racquet has the letters CH behind the logo on the cone....:confused: :cool:

[bluejeff]

I was just wondering why the fake Yonex racquet has the letters CH behind the logo on the cone....:confused: :cool:
Because fake racquets are most likely from China, and they copied the genuine CH racquets, which has CH in the back.

[damon_kwan31]

cool, i never knew that. thanks for the info :)

[scchang]

Hi, Jeff,

Thanks for the great work.

I notice that some websites in China having these pictures about the comparison of genuine and fake MP99's. Just paste the links here.

http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_sp.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_jl.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_a.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_b.jpg

-Sean

[FastSmash]

Hey Jeff - Good work - thank you very much.
But I have one question left. What can i do If its really the case that i have a fake raquet... is there any support from yonex? I'm asking because i just yesterday bought 6 armortecs 800 in Hong Kong for 45,50 Euro per racket. Is that the real price in Hong Kong or will I get only fake rackets? Thanks for an answer.

[NB1700]

It should not be so cheap...:rolleyes:

[kwun]

Hey Jeff - Good work - thank you very much.
But I have one question left. What can i do If its really the case that i have a fake raquet... is there any support from yonex? I'm asking because i just yesterday bought 6 armortecs 800 in Hong Kong for 45,50 Euro per racket. Is that the real price in Hong Kong or will I get only fake rackets? Thanks for an answer.
they are certainly fake. retail for AT800 in HK are around US$140-150.

when it is too good to be true, it is.

and no, Yonex don't give any support for fake rackets. just like Sony wouldn't give any support to Panasonic. ;)

[FastSmash]

hmmm... ok... but it seems that the rackets are from a licensed seller because he even showed the address of his shop in his Ebay offer... if its really fakes then he is risking to loose his license to sell genuine yonex rackets - isn't he?...i think i wait until they arrive here and then i will check them (in this forum there are lots of pics of AT800 fakes...maybe i've luck and some of them are genuine ... :crying: :o ).

[kwun]

it would help if you show us the link to the auction.

[cooler]

hmmm... ok... but it seems that the rackets are from a licensed seller because he even showed the address of his shop in his Ebay offer... if its really fakes then he is risking to loose his license to sell genuine yonex rackets - isn't he?...i think i wait until they arrive here and then i will check them (in this forum there are lots of pics of AT800 fakes...maybe i've luck and some of them are genuine ... :crying: :o ).

if u r relying on luck, better to play casino and stock market as rewards from latter are much higher :rolleyes:

[FastSmash]

here's the link
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5136472675&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

a buyer asked him where his shop is situated and he answered it at the bottom of the page...

there's even a telephone number - maybe here's someone who's living in Shenzhen who could look at the rackets?

[kwun]

here's the link
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5136472675&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

a buyer asked him where his shop is situated and he answered it at the bottom of the page... sorry to say, that's a fake.

buying any badminton racket from China via ebay is pretty much 99% guaranteed fake. you might get lucky, but unfortunately unlikely.

[bluejeff]

here's the link
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5136472675&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

a buyer asked him where his shop is situated and he answered it at the bottom of the page...

there's even a telephone number - maybe here's someone who's living in Shenzhen who could look at the rackets?
That's a fake.

The seller you are dealing with is the largest fake seller on eBay. You can find more information on this seller at my fake racket seller list that I published at the ebay watch thread in the market place.

Currently, I am working on some other fakes toturials...... and I am contacting Yonex-Australia for help on some of the issues......:cool:

[FastSmash]

Well, i still didn't pay anything... can I do anything to cancel this auctions? If thats such an big fake-racket seller - why is ebay doing nothing? And why does the seller have that much good ratings (99,1%)????? :eek:

[jamesd20]

Well, i still didn't pay anything... can I do anything to cancel this auctions? If thats such an big fake-racket seller - why is ebay doing nothing? And why does the seller have that much good ratings (99,1%)????? :eek:

1. Ebay dont care(unofficially), they still take their cut.
2.People dont realise they are fake. The people who know they are fake wouldnt buy them in the first place, so cant give negative feedback (some ebuyers may not even know how to give feedback)
3.Dont know about cancellling. I would think they cant force you to pay, but you may get -tve feedback yourself.

additionally yonex have bigger problems and bigger fake sellers to stop (IE the factories that make all the fakes) to stop individual cases (even serial sellers like this one)

BJ should know more.

[FastSmash]

Just now i wrote a mail to Ebay and asked them what to do... said that i bought fakes and don't want to pay and have a negative feedback... now im waiting what ebay will say to that...

[baddydude23]

i wud tell the seller to get effed if he asked me to pay for it...:cool:

by the way, i've learnt sum gud stuff bout fake rakets, cheers for the work!
keep on keeping on.:)

[jump_smash]

here's the link
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5136472675&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

a buyer asked him where his shop is situated and he answered it at the bottom of the page...

there's even a telephone number - maybe here's someone who's living in Shenzhen who could look at the rackets?

Shenzhen - oh no, definetly a fake, plenty there!

[jump_smash]

That's a fake.

Currently, I am working on some other fakes toturials...... and I am contacting Yonex-Australia for help on some of the issues......:cool:

Bluejeff,

Good luck, most of their information is old, and I am unsure of their ability in this area, as the company owning them/with rights is Grey Nichols, a cricket company.

[Alexccs]

Great Job. Nice pictures.

About Armortec now.

[firehorse]

Hi, Jeff,

Thanks for the great work.

I notice that some websites in China having these pictures about the comparison of genuine and fake MP99's. Just paste the links here.

http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_sp.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_jl.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_a.jpg
http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_b.jpg

-Sean

I do not understand the chinese character, can someone tell me which one is fake one and real one?

[Lobber]

http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_sp.jpg
First 1 is fake..second 1 is real

http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_jl.jpg
First 1 is fake,second 1 is real

http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_a.jpg
First 1 is fake second 1 is really

http://www.bbesports.com/bdbc/images/MP-99_b.jpg
First 1 is REAL,second 1 is FAKE

[aerotus70]

Nice website. LOL tatanium? new element? :D

[FEND.]

I recently visited a sporting goods store here and I found a few fakes here. Not good fakes thou the serial wasn't engraved so it gave the game away. The shopkeeper himself admitted they were fakes. But the strange bit is he said that the fakes came from Korea. North or South I don't know.

Possibly now Korea has fake racquet manufacturers??

[bluejeff]

I recently visited a sporting goods store here and I found a few fakes here. Not good fakes thou the serial wasn't engraved so it gave the game away. The shopkeeper himself admitted they were fakes. But the strange bit is he said that the fakes came from Korea. North or South I don't know.

Possibly now Korea has fake racquet manufacturers??
sometimes there are fake rackets resellers involved in between ;)
(Yeah, for every 500 count, you will get a discount :p)

[bluejeff]

New Address:

http://www.badmintonrepublic.com/fake/index.html

I have enhanced the counterfeit tutorial a little bit with Yonex-AU's help (Thanks Greg from Yonex-AU). :D

Now it's in both Chinese and English and Yonex-AU's pictures.

[wawan]

New Address:

http://www.badmintonrepublic.com/fake/index.html

I have enhanced the counterfeit tutorial a little bit with Yonex-AU's help (Thanks Greg from Yonex-AU). :D

Now it's in both Chinese and English and Yonex-AU's pictures.

thanks dude....
nice having info and help from you...

[keith_aquino]

Whew, it took some time time to find this topic. It's a good thing I remembered this a year back. This topic's too useful for it to be forgotten. I propose stickying it! :)

[FatBoy]

hi can anyone let me know whether the serial code from a real yonex racquet ment to be smooth? or can u actually feel the numbers with the fingers?

[keith_aquino]

hi can anyone let me know whether the serial code from a real yonex racquet ment to be smooth? or can u actually feel the numbers with the fingers?

Yep, you should subtly feel engravings.

[FatBoy]

Yep, you should subtly feel engravings.

thankyou =)
its so scary how there are so many fakes around =.="

[keith_aquino]

thankyou =)
its so scary how there are so many fakes around =.="

You're welcome :)

[ijnek]

r there fakes of all yonex rackets or jus the higher ends 1?

[keith_aquino]

It's more of the higher ends one since there's more money there. I guess it's caveat emptor in the non mall places. Why not try going to those popular sports shops to be assured? :)

Keith

[EnggakMau]

thankyou =)
its so scary how there are so many fakes around =.="

Yes, the fakers are doing very good distribution. Before NS7K/8K were launced in Indonesia, their fakes are available months before. It become harder and harder to identify fakes as the details are more and more close to the real ones.
However, you are hardly conned here in buying fake at cost of real one as the stores will openly offer fakes, even in several grades of quality, at much lower cost than real one.
In my personal experience, the skill of spotting fake Yonex rackets is useful for debunking ppl who want to show off latest/expensive Yonex rackets by using fakes.

[khongming]

I came across Yonex Isometric Junior series and KIDS series with serial numbers engravements in a departmental store.

Now, i'm truly confused...haha.
Someone enlighten me please? :P

[ryim_]

there are junior racquets from yonex if that's what you're asking.

[storkbill]

I came across Yonex Isometric Junior series and KIDS series with serial numbers engravements in a departmental store.

Now, i'm truly confused...haha.
Someone enlighten me please? :P

No confusion, these are cheap Yonex racquets for kids, no one in their right mind would want to fake them when they can fake Nanospeed 10000s. It doesn't matter whether they have serial numbers or not.

Anyway, Sunrise since late 2005 sticks 2 different types of hologram stickers on their SP coded racquets in Singapore. So far, no one has posted a picture of the counterfeiters being able to fake both hologram stickers. (not that they cannot but it would probably add to much to the cost of the fake racquet so they don't bother)

Don't other countries selling Yonex racquets use hologram stickers as well?

[khongming]

No confusion, these are cheap Yonex racquets for kids, no one in their right mind would want to fake them when they can fake Nanospeed 10000s. It doesn't matter whether they have serial numbers or not.

Anyway, Sunrise since late 2005 sticks 2 different types of hologram stickers on their SP coded racquets in Singapore. So far, no one has posted a picture of the counterfeiters being able to fake both hologram stickers. (not that they cannot but it would probably add to much to the cost of the fake racquet so they don't bother)

Don't other countries selling Yonex racquets use hologram stickers as well?
All righty, At least this is cleared.

I only know my Isometric 23vf has Sunrise hologram sticker but no serial number. Hai. Disappointed.

[khongming]

there are junior racquets from yonex if that's what you're asking.
Yup i got a Junior Iso for my ex.

But i see a huge range of Isometric Junior and Isometric KIDs.
I haven't seen it elsewhere, that's why i doubted the authenticity of the products. :p

[chessymonkey]

a friend just showed me a few ns8k fake he bought rom china last week
and yes for the record they have the engraved serial #
compared to my real one and i'd have to say i'm impressed
100 RMB and i'd be fooled if the fake one isn't 1 cm too short

[david14700]

Most of us here can spot a fake racket in 5 seconds, but I've just seen a fake NS9000 X that has blown me away. I've seen a lot of fake Yonex rackets, but the detailing on this thing was scary. Even though I don't like fakes, I have to say the counterfeiter did a really impressive job on this racket.

Holding a real one next to it, I can find hardly any differences, even after 10 minutes of searching every small feature. The colors, the serial codes (laser-etched), the grommets (about 4 different types I think), cone, grip, butt, plastic wrap, bar code, it's all the same.

The only clue that it might be fake is the fact that it's an SP code, with two Sunrise holographic stickers on it (one gold, one red). I know Sunrise is a genuine dealer but I also know that there are fake holographic stickers and that SP is a code popular with fakes.

The racket is 3U and when you swing it or flex the shaft, the balance feels like the real one. I will have to try it when it's been strung and probably then I will be able to tell the difference.

But on the cosmetics side, these guys are getting REALLY good :(

[storkbill]

The only clue that it might be fake is the fact that it's an SP code, with two Sunrise holographic stickers on it (one gold, one red). I know Sunrise is a genuine dealer but I also know that there are fake holographic stickers and that SP is a code popular with fakes.


Could you post a pic of the fake hologram stickers? I've never seen one posted in these forums and it'll be useful reference.

[Matt]

The fake 9K is easy to spot for me, just looking at the O in Yonex which is an instant give away. Also the serial for them is the usual "off".

[chessymonkey]

just remeber u have to combine every tricks there is to identify a fake racket
there r usually give away spots but not having those doesn't = the racket is real.
There r fakes with proper laser engraving where the serial actually make sense. there r fakes with the correct "O",
and the battle is only gonig to get harder and harder.

[david14700]

I will take my camera next time and take some close-ups of the holograms and other bits.

[Matt]

chessymonkey - do you happen to have pictures of these other fakes with have the correct or the perfect "O". I have yet to see them and the same goes for a store.

I have seen some which are very close because they look ok from a foot away but when looking up close the details don't look like it which gives it away once again.

[bluejeff]

r there fakes of all yonex rackets or jus the higher ends 1?

Normally, they aim for the high end ones. However, fakes somethings got their own non-existing series, such as "Super MP" series.....

[chessymonkey]

chessymonkey - do you happen to have pictures of these other fakes with have the correct or the perfect "O". I have yet to see them and the same goes for a store.

I have seen some which are very close because they look ok from a foot away but when looking up close the details don't look like it which gives it away once again.

I'll see if i can get my friend to bring back those 100 rmb worth ns8k he just bought from China like 2 wks ago, if he hasn't gave them all away yet
he bought a bunch as gifts cos those fakes'r just dirt cheap

[Carbonex8200LT]

Congrats BlueJeff Thats An Excellent Piece Of Work U Have Wriiten Of Identifying Fake rackets
Thanks