Camilla Martin, Racist? Or Sore Loser?

[Byro-Nenium]

I remember someone mensioned that Camilla tried to ban all Chinese badminton players or something like that......

Whats her problem? She can bear to face the fact that she isnt the best? Or does she just want to make a name for herself in more than 1 way?

[Adel]

Probably the latter. I'm learning not to label anyone a racist these days (unless the signs are really obvious).

[Zclyh3]

Yeah, I was the one who said that..from someone else that is..My assumption is that she is totally a sore loser. If you suck, then you just suck...better walk your ass home and train harder then...don't be whining and complaining..that just goes to show what a hater you are. I hope that her #1 seed drops immediately..and I use to look up to her too..not anymore...not anymore..Gade is still cool with me though...so it's all good..everyone else is the bomb..go Sigit/Candra, Tony/Halim and the Chinese squad! Give'em hell AND the best performance you can give!

[May]

umm..... Could I ask u wut does Gade, Sigit/Candra, Tony/Halim, and the chinese squad have to do with Camilla Martin???

[Zclyh3]

Nothing...they are not sore losers like Camilla Martin. They work hard and train hard and deserve to be who they are..don't know about Gade though..the Danes are still pretty strong...

[Adel]

Nothing. I think Tony's just saying that Gade's graciousness both on and off court is a contrast to his girlfriend's undesirable behaviour. As for the Indonesian pairs and the Chinese squad, it's just Tony showing his support.

[Johnny]

I don't know where you have this gossip from but I guess you just made it up yourself. I can't belive all these people just take your word for it it's such a load of stinking lies!
Camilla Martin have NEVER tried to ban any chinese players!
If she have then I'd like to see the article you have your information from (like if that's going to happen)

[Momo]

I know people who've trained in Denmark, and personally know the golden couple.
They're very nice people.
There's something called trash talk in the sports world, and nothing wrong with a little talk back and forth to attack your opponent mentally.
Much to our chagrin Johnny, people are entitled to their own opinions, but it's really good to see people like you, stick up for other people's reputations.
I still think the world #1 lady's player is just that, or she wouldn't have that spot.
She must have been doing something right to get to where she is, like her or not, she's still #1.
We'll see what other players will do during the WC, if they can beat her, then and only then would they have real bragging rights to say what they want.

[Adel]

Let's see... I haven't seen any article on Camilla Martin wanting to ban any Chinese players myself. In fact, I was equally doubtful about the (supposed) report and source.

My attitude about Martin being a sore loser stands however, because of the way she conducts herself on court. I am not suggesting that there can only be one kind of court etiquette or that every player should and must conduct themselves like the Chinese players (who are supposedly paragons of excellent behaviour) to be acceptable. But the way she loses her temper can really get to me, especially because it seems she is acting that way due to her opponent having an upper hand.

Someone mentioned in another thread that we should not judge people based on gossips and videotapes. I don't know the golden couple personally and I don't know how much interviews/articles count. What I do know was that I had a much better impression of Camilla Martin from a recent article ran by Worldbadminton.net and a not-so-recent one on Chinabadminton, during which a Chinese reporter actually praised her for being open and co-operative.

I mentioned in another thread that I do try, as far as possible, to avoid bashing individual teams or players and I really wouldn't like to create the impression that I'm anti-Camilla just for the heck of it.

As for why her no. 1 ranking has remained, I suppose it has to do with the fact that she participates in a lot more tournaments than the Chinese players. Her recent performances have been less than fantastic, with losses to Zhou Mi in the All-England and Zhang Ning in the Japan Open. It remains to be seen who will actually take the LS World Championship title but for the time being, I tend to think that the Chinese players have gotten her style of play to a pat.

[Byro-Nenium]

I'm not saying that CM really tried to ban Chinese players...... i was just saying i heard from somewhere that she tried to ban Chinese players......

Btw, i used to think that CM was pretty hot before till now. Shes lost her "real" beauty.......

Anyways, Camilla has been beaten by several Chinese players...... Its only a matter of time before it happens again

[Johnny]

Byro-Nenium wrote:
>
> I'm not saying that CM really tried to ban Chinese
> players...... i was just saying i heard from somewhere that
> she tried to ban Chinese players......
>

Yeah, and I'm not saying that's a really lame excuse......... . . .

[ovk]

Has anyone of you seen the WS final match of the world championships 97 in copenhagen?
Probably not, cause then you wouldn't call her a sore looser.
I've seen that match live and I almost cracked under pressure
just being spectator, cause it was so intense.
Although Martin had lost her match vs. Dai in the final of the sudirman cup in the setting of the 3rd set (after leading 9-2 and having two matchpoints) just one week ago, she managed to stand the pressure this time, when it looked, if all would come down the same again.
At 10-10 (Dai to serve for matchpoint)in Camillas first final of a world championship, she was cool enough to not go for the setting and finally won the match.
Has anyone of you achieved something similar outstanding?
So please don't bother and just shut up.

[Cheung]

Byro,

I would avoid using "racist" with reference to particular people even if it is in speculation. It's a very sensitive issue. You have also taken a non-confirmed report and tried to specualte on further issues from it which may be totally unfounded.

[Momo]

(nt)

[May]

Yeah. I heard this story too. She thought dat with the Chinese players, there won't be any competition.

[Bbn]

Camilla was actually a very good friend of Ye Zhao Ying

for many years and latter might have confided a lot to former

about going-ons in Chinese squad.Maybe she tried to speak

for Ye or something.

[Tom]

doesn't seem to tally......the last time Ye played Camilla in the AE she blew Martin off the court as if she was dirt.

[Adel]

Was just wondering if my view on CM being a sore loser because of her occasional blow-ups during matches has sth to do with the image of badminton as a sport. Some yahoo.com journalist referred to it as "ultra-civilised" - not as a compliment, I'm sure. So this is supposedly a sport whereby tempers should not be flaring and seldom do - which is why what CM does seems so "out of order" (at least to me) when we (or I) can watch soccer players fight each other like nobody's business and accept it as being perfectly normal?

That's how I see it at the moment of writing. Am trying to straighten my thoughts out.

[Ken]

Being no.1 is not that easy.......
Personally, I don't believe she said something like to ban any players. She should mature enough to avoid to say such sensitive stuff. Maybe she is nice off the court, but it doesn't mean she is nice on the court too (maybe she's actually nice on the court too). I don't think she is a sore loser, she is just like other players, can't deal with few Chinese opponents well enough. Guys know, they are so tough,even me....ha...
If I were CM. I would prefer to ban not only Chinese players, English, Indos, Korean, Swedens, Dans........etc whoever is able to beat me on the court.......(just kidding) smile....

Johnny wrote: "Camilla Martin have NEVER tried to ban any Chinese players!"
Why are you so sure? Are you CM?

[Byro-Nenium]

Yeah mom, i'll be more polite next time......

[Byro-Nenium]

true, sorry but i just wanted to hear what other people thought about it. Tony Luu was talking about her being sore loser or something and just wanted to find out if it was true or not......

[Byro-Nenium]

what the hell are you talking about?

[Zclyh3]

Me...stop the ********!? What are you talking about..my information was based from someone of this forum...anyways..I saw her play at the Korean Open on tape...she didn't even go for a shot...that's what I call laziness...and she deserves to be #1 seed? I don't think so. Let's go Gong Zhichao! By the way, I ain't biased. I admire hardworking people...like Gong Zhichao.

[Zclyh3]

Oh don't worry..Camilla Martin's #1 seed spot WILL come down..mark my words....eventually..

[Zclyh3]

Words I agree with Byro...and like I said..it's just a matter of time..and Byro said..
-_-

[Zclyh3]

No need to shut up..cause she IS a sore loser..well..NOW she is..maybe back then she had the discipline and she worked hard for it..but today..it's different.

[Zclyh3]

Hey! Like I said, this speculation (her banning Chinese players) was from a member of this forum. Maybe I might be wrong, but all I have to say is her #1 seed will be taken sooner than you think.

[Johnny]

I am so sure because if you wan't to ban the chinese players then you have to do something about it, not just keep the thought for yourself...
I'm from Denmark and have seen a lot of interviews with Camilla on TV and read a lot about her in the papers, and in all the interviews and articles she have never said anything about banning players. I think thats a bit odd, if she really wants to ban players then why not say anything about it?
I think a proposal as drastic as to ban all chinese players would have made the headlines but I just don't see any.....

Btw I can understand the people who think she may be a sore loser because she sometimes looks angry and yells a lot on court. But according to whats she's told the danish televison (and I belive her) it's not because she's angry at her opponent as much as being angry at herself because she's not playing up to her full potential. Yelling is just her way of pushing herself forward when she need it. And she's not the only one who does that.

[Zclyh3]

Yeah..I've seen Sigit and Halim yell sometimes when I was watching to Yonex All England. But there was one shot Camilla didn't even run up for it.

[Cheung]

It is unlikely she ever said that statement on banning because it is a plainly ridiculous statement..
John McEnroe is a very famous exmple of yelling to push his game to a higher level.

Sore loser, quite possibly because the hadnshake at the end of a match is only a touch of hands and she doesn't look at the opponent!

[Zclyh3]

Ah...thank you Cheung for the good insight!

[Ken]

Disappointed. You are not Camilla.....

I don't yell if I am losing in the game. I just hit my racket on my opponent's head.....

[Ken]

Have polite manner, she should look at her opponent like Pete, use both hands for handshake and squeeze out a big smile and say "Thanks a lot to defeat me".

Unfortunately, not many players can do these after losing a game. She is not one of them.

[Henrik]

Because she is simply not like that :) !!!

She is a very nice and fair person and player - and anyway we don't like banning
people here :) . We want to see the best players, and we want fair play, but we don't expect others to be happy when they lose, so why should she ? I think she is entitled to be annoyed, when things are not working - guess most of us show that in one way or another, right ? :( - that is also part of the drama on court. At least we are not as badly behaved here as players from certain nations, who will stop at nothing to make extra and longer breaks in the game, to influence the linesmen with shouts and making faces, and who would almost want to show a clinched fist right in the their opponents face, if the net wasn't there to stop them :). Here you can really speak of unsportsmanlike conduct. For some reason the umpires are very slow at stopping this behaviour. I really hope they will be much tougher on this in the future.

Camilla has always expressed great admiration and respect for the Chinese players while all the time trying to improve her own level to stand a chance against them ( not this time though :( ). So why should she suddenly have changed
her view now ??? Something she said about her concern for the future of the sport as a whole, if there is too much dominance from one nation was twisted around for
propaganda purposes in China. And it's a bit ironic actually, since she in an
interview in a tournament in China this spring recommended Beijing as host of the 2008 Olympic games - she even got in trouble with the badminton and sports associations here, because they don't yet have a public stand on this very hot issue. So I really hope you can see how far off these unsubstantiated claims are !!! And when interviewed on TV after a game here she is always very quick to acknowledge and praise a better opponent. So I hope you can see why this whole business is sooo unjust towards her. And that's what drove me to write all this, because all the crab I read here really BEEEP'ed me off *ROFL*. - Cheers

[Henrik]

yes, she does (normally) - maybe she was too tired this time ;)

[Henrik]

Good one *LMAO* - must try that some time -
at least you get some value for the price of it.
You don't when you just smash it to pieces in the floor -
been there, done that :)

[Henrik]

You are soo wrong Tony - so sorry for you ;).
She is NOT a sore loser - of course she doesn't
exactly enjoy losing - who does ? - , but she
always speaks with great respect of her opponents outside
the court. In most sports she would even be considered "too nice".
Anyway it's not her fault that a journalist twists her words around
( concern for the popularity of the game, if it becomes a too
onesided and predictable affair - it takes 2 good (or 4 :) ) players
to make a great game, right - how many spectators would want to
watch Brazil v. Andora in soccer more than once ? *LOL* ) ,
to make up a story about a conspiracy against
poor, defenceless China - rediculous ! She and we want to see
the best players INCLUDING the Chinese. Her point was :
What will the rest of the world do to keep up, so that B.
still will be interesting to watch. How do we shake up
the rest of Europe ? - the problem is the same here !

At the Euro championships little Denmark ( approx 100.000 players
including tons of leisure players) usually wins all her matches 5 - 0
+ all individual titles. Where is England, who has almost as many
B. players as there are people in DK ? Where is Sweden, Holland ,
( Germany ) and Scotland who used to produce great players. We
desperately need the competition here if we want to keep up at world level
(it's a miracle that we still do). That's all she was talking about - I guess
she just didn't have the imagination to see what some people would be
able to turn her concerns for the sport into for "evil" purposes. Please
read my answers further down, and you will learn why these claims are
so unfair against a great person and a fine athlete She really deserves
a lot of respect instead of this garbage.

Cheers
PS We admire your players - why can't you at least respect ours ?