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SmartCivet
07-13-2004, 10:41 PM
China has announced the badminton players list to Athens.The world Championship XIA XuanZe is the reject at the end time.
The MS players is LIN Dan, CHEN Hong, BAO ChunLai. The WS players is GONG RuiNa, ZHANG Ning, ZHOU Mi.
I think coach Li Yongbo just trying to be conservative and picked according to the ranking to attend Olympic. Imagine if Xia, who is ranked lower than Chen Hong, were chosen and lost in the early round ... Even coach Li can't handle that heat!!!
The happiest player have to be Wong Choon Hann who had lost the last 8 meets against Xia.
confirmed to be true. quite disappointing as a Xia's fan. but that's just life. Xia has already entered Olympics in Sydney. this time its Chen's turn. to be honest, it is 50/50 who goes. it was clear that Lin and Bao are going as they are the young ones who needs the exposure for Beijing 2008.
looking forward to more reports on more detailed explanation.
kinda scary though, as both Bao and Chen are not the most reliable while Xia is. maybe the coaches are so confident on Lin that it doesn't matter who is number 2 and 3?
jump_smash
07-13-2004, 10:53 PM
Funny, but didn't that happen to some extend with the Golden Bear (Sun Jun) at Syndey 2000?
I think coach Li Yongbo just trying to be conservative and picked according to the ranking to attend Olympic. Imagine if Xia, who is ranked lower than Chen Hong, were chosen and lost in the early round ... Even coach Li can't handle that heat!!!
The happiest player have to be Wong Choon Hann who had lost the last 8 meets against Xia.
I think coach Li Yongbo just trying to be conservative and picked according to the ranking to attend Olympic. Imagine if Xia, who is ranked lower than Chen Hong, were chosen and lost in the early round ... Even coach Li can't handle that heat!!!
The happiest player have to be Wong Choon Hann who had lost the last 8 meets against Xia.
not sure what the ranking will be like in the beginning of august. but right now, China has the 1,2,3,5 spots. so however they pick the players, the 3 chinese players are guaranteed 3 out of 4 top seeds. so it won't make much of a difference. however, the ranking in early august may change as Xia loses some WC points, but then, so will Wong who is 4th in the ranking.
jug8man
07-13-2004, 10:58 PM
sorry for xia but........
yes yes yes Chen Hong!
:D
hcyong
07-13-2004, 11:40 PM
not sure what the ranking will be like in the beginning of august. but right now, China has the 1,2,3,5 spots. so however they pick the players, the 3 chinese players are guaranteed 3 out of 4 top seeds. so it won't make much of a difference. however, the ranking in early august may change as Xia loses some WC points, but then, so will Wong who is 4th in the ranking.
I thought the seeding is based on rankings at the end of May.
viver
07-14-2004, 12:48 AM
Not sure is the selection is based on presumed opponents - if we assume the biggest contenders, besides the Chinese, would be Taufik, Peter Gade, Wong Choong Hon, the Korean player - these 3 players make sense. Too bad for Xia as he should deserve a spot here.
liverpool
07-14-2004, 01:31 AM
Bao Chun Lai ought to be drop............He looks shaky if the opponent fight him point for point. Same goes for Chen Hong. However, as a Malaysian China minus Xia looks good for Choon Han.
Its up to Lin Dan. I cant see him winning it!!! Every opponent will give him a tough outing. Probably run out of ideas, by the quarter final.
Every players wants the gold. We will probably see a lot of good matches and Ronald Susilo of Singapore ended up being champion!!! Hei, the previous three winner are not really that fantastic, right?
DanielLou
07-14-2004, 02:38 AM
As a chinese badminton fan I must say I can't be any more dissapointed about Li's decision. In a poll on SINA.com, Xia has won 3 times more votes than Chen. Except the fellow townsmen in Fu Jian, no one likes Chen, the Mr. Dissapointment. I have long given up on Chen. Since he lost to Lee HI in Sudiman cup I have not watched a single game of him. (The other game I refused to watch is the Chinese men's soccer team).
It is a shame for the Olympics to refuse a passionate fighter like Xia.
abedeng
07-14-2004, 03:05 AM
Maybe Li Yongbo was looking at consistent records. Xuanze's record is either he goes all the way (like in WC 03) or he loses in early rounds (All-England 04). I believe Chen Hong is better than him on average per tournament. Then again, Chen never nailed the big one (except All-England 02).
Lin Dan could be depended so long as he recovers from the recent M'sian Open episode. Not sure about Bao Chunlai. As another forummer said, if he gets a big fight, Bao might not last. The only time he was successful was against Jonassen in TC 04 final. But I still remember his failure in TC 02 (against Hafiz Hashim on home soil) and Lee CW in 2 straight editions of M'sian Open.
Enrica
07-14-2004, 03:28 AM
Lee announced the 3 men single player for olympic. Lin Dan, Bao Chun Lai and Chan Hong got selected . Poor Xia .........:( Hope they will all do fine !!!!!! i was surpirsed as I was thinking Xia will get in rather than Chan Hong.....!!!!!
Wizbit
07-14-2004, 03:54 AM
Sure it will be sad for Xia not to have another chance in the olympics, but taking into account of his performance in the last 12 months, he has only reached the first or second round in a majority of tournaments after his great WC win in July last year. His style of game with no major weapons means that a lot of his games go to 3 sets, which will be hard unless you are 100% fit. Hope he can defend his WC title...We support you! :p
Chen Hong's style has carried him consistently to quarters and semis, however boring it is to some...:o
If Lin Dan loses early on, the pressure will be on Chen H and Bao...Bao already seems to be Li YongBo's favourite out of the two...how long will he remain so? :eek:
jamesd20
07-14-2004, 05:07 AM
Maybe Li Yongbo was looking at consistent records. Xuanze's record is either he goes all the way (like in WC 03) or he loses in early rounds (All-England 04). I believe Chen Hong is better than him on average per tournament.
But the olympics isnt about being able to reach the quarter finals and being consistent, it is about winning! (whatever people say, that is everyones aim) Chen hong isnt really a winner, but a top quality player. He always fails to make that extra notch.Xia is a champion. I am disapointed, but there are many reasons why:
-Chen will only have this chance
-More chance for Gao ling(XD/WD) if relationship is stable/chen is with her
-Lin/Bao must be in because the next olympics is in Beijing, and anything other than gold there will be disastrous, so they need olympic experience
-Lin has been the undisputed best player for past 9months.
-Bao pulled off THE best performance of his career coming back from a set and 10-4 down (in final set) to Jonassen, a known fighter. the olympics is all about pressure, and to lose that game would have put the danish team with best chance of winning, but he did it.
However Xia was a champion player and id disapointing not to see him performing, seeing him in WC03 was a delight, and something I will never forget.
Too bad to hear that Xia is out of action in 04's Olympics. I think China is a little shaky when comes to Mens Badminton in Olympics.
Very sad news for Xia. Congrats to Lin, Bao, and Chen on opportunity to rep China at Athens.
Don't worry Xia. We're still all proud of you for winning bronze at Sydney and for being reigning WORLD CHAMPION! Keep training hard!
Go China.
manabu
07-14-2004, 09:48 AM
Im totally disappointed to Li's decision... Xia should have chosen instead of Chen and even Bao! Chen really plays boring badminton in my opinion.. Lin's game must've been studied by countries like malaysia, denmark numerous times already n probably have no chance surviving... so, my point is that everybody in china's men team should hold equal chance so just simply let the fellow chinese people (even the greats like Yang yang) be the judge. Xia do carries good records against non-chinese opponents and should not be missed... :mad:
chinadoll
07-14-2004, 10:53 AM
not sure what the ranking will be like in the beginning of august. but right now, China has the 1,2,3,5 spots. so however they pick the players, the 3 chinese players are guaranteed 3 out of 4 top seeds. so it won't make much of a difference. however, the ranking in early august may change as Xia loses some WC points, but then, so will Wong who is 4th in the ranking.
isn't it supposed to be 1, 2, 4, 5??? :confused:
chinadoll
07-14-2004, 10:56 AM
no matter how i see i dont see why Xuanze was not selected........
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif Xuanze won bronze medal in 2000 Olympics,
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's the World Champion,
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he has better records when playing against top players from other countries
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's one of the most experienced player in the team
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's one of the toughest player in terms of mentality n skills
Lin Dan and Bao Chunlai are new, they still have chances for 2008 Olympics.... but of cos by Lin Dan's recent results for the past 6 mths, winning 5 tournaments almost consecutively, playing the 1st singles in Thomas Cup and win all matches in 2 straight games...... with him in his peak form, his winning chances of attaining gold in Olympics is very high...... no matter what.... he should be chosen
as for Bao Chunlai n Chen Hong.......
hmmm.... Chen Hong as world no. 2, is more experienced but his winning percentage against top players are not as high
Bao Chunlai is still new and not as experienced..... though he managed to win Thomas Cup for China.... but i think his mentality is not strong enough to handle the pressure in major tournaments yet... and he is still young to even wait for 2008 Olympics
Xuanze and Chen Hong might be retiring anytime this 2 yrs.... this may be their last Olympics........ arghhhhh.... why isn't Xuanze selected :(
I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DISAPPOINTED AND SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!
SmashingBird
07-14-2004, 11:30 AM
no matter how i see i dont see why Xuanze was not selected........
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif Xuanze won bronze medal in 2000 Olympics,
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's the World Champion,
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he has better records when playing against top players from other countries
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's one of the most experienced player in the team
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's one of the toughest player in terms of mentality n skills
Lin Dan and Bao Chunlai are new, they still have chances for 2008 Olympics.... but of cos by Lin Dan's recent results for the past 6 mths, winning 5 tournaments almost consecutively, playing the 1st singles in Thomas Cup and win all matches in 2 straight games...... with him in his peak form, his winning chances of attaining gold in Olympics is very high...... no matter what.... he should be chosen
as for Bao Chunlai n Chen Hong.......
hmmm.... Chen Hong as world no. 2, is more experienced but his winning percentage against top players are not as high
Bao Chunlai is still new and not as experienced..... though he managed to win Thomas Cup for China.... but i think his mentality is not strong enough to handle the pressure in major tournaments yet... and he is still young to even wait for 2008 Olympics
Xuanze and Chen Hong might be retiring anytime this 2 yrs.... this may be their last Olympics........ arghhhhh.... why isn't Xuanze selected :(
I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DISAPPOINTED AND SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!
The way China produces and split out players is incridible, I wouldn't be surprise that by 2008, neither Lin Dan nor Bao ChunLai will even be around, like someone else stated, China produce high quality players at quantity but they do not last long.
jeicegreen
07-14-2004, 12:01 PM
It's not sure Bao can attend Beijing Olympics because there are many good players in China. Frankly, I don't think Bao has strong mentality.
Poor Xia!!!!!!!!!! He was World Champion. I didn't think he can not go Athens.
BoboTheBadder
07-14-2004, 03:22 PM
Oh no! :(
I was hoping Li would send Xia, but I kind of figured he wouldn't. This is, for the most part, Chen Hong's last chance at a win in a major tournament.
Wizbit
07-14-2004, 04:40 PM
Bao Chun Lai is not new anymore, he has been on the senior tour for a good couple of years already. Coming into prominence at the same time as Lin Dan, but it is Bao who has not achieved as much in comparison, but still better than Chen Yu.
For any other country Bao would be good enough to be no.1 but for China...
He just needs to win a major tournament in my opinion to take him to the next level.
no matter how i see i dont see why Xuanze was not selected........
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif Xuanze won bronze medal in 2000 Olympics,
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's the World Champion,
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he has better records when playing against top players from other countries
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's one of the most experienced player in the team
http://66.199.252.187/images/smiles/icon_arrow.gif he's one of the toughest player in terms of mentality n skills
Lin Dan and Bao Chunlai are new, they still have chances for 2008 Olympics.... but of cos by Lin Dan's recent results for the past 6 mths, winning 5 tournaments almost consecutively, playing the 1st singles in Thomas Cup and win all matches in 2 straight games...... with him in his peak form, his winning chances of attaining gold in Olympics is very high...... no matter what.... he should be chosen
as for Bao Chunlai n Chen Hong.......
hmmm.... Chen Hong as world no. 2, is more experienced but his winning percentage against top players are not as high
Bao Chunlai is still new and not as experienced..... though he managed to win Thomas Cup for China.... but i think his mentality is not strong enough to handle the pressure in major tournaments yet... and he is still young to even wait for 2008 Olympics
Xuanze and Chen Hong might be retiring anytime this 2 yrs.... this may be their last Olympics........ arghhhhh.... why isn't Xuanze selected :(
I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DISAPPOINTED AND SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!
cooler
07-14-2004, 04:49 PM
without saying too much, i think liyongbo had made the right choices.
Qidong
07-14-2004, 05:34 PM
I think the only Chinese player other teams fear is Lin Din. Chen and Xia are over the hill, and Bao is inconsistent. Choosing Xia will be unfair to Chen and Bao. So the best way to just base on the ranking. That's the fairest.
wilfredlgf
07-14-2004, 06:37 PM
Xia is a more reliable player, more consistent than Chen Hong although the latter did rule world badminton for some time and has a more varied arsenal of gameplay to go against just about everybody. The only thing he can't match Chen Hong is in terms of physical fitness as Chen Hong would last longer than him, provided his opponents are not of the stroke-build ie Lee Chong Wei, in which case Xia would be better equipped to handle.
Still, there can't be any dispute in that anyway - if selections are done based on rankings. Bao had proven to be quite formidable ever since the TC finals in Jakarta but is not quite the 'man to fear'. He could just storm into the semifinals, lifting everybody's hope then crash in unspectacular fashion.
And I agree, Lin Dan is the true potential winner here.
hcyong
07-14-2004, 10:06 PM
The seedings for the Olympics will be based on the Olympic qualification ranking list on 1st May. Click http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/documents/Qual_MS_040501.htm to see.
Xia is ranked 7th. He would have been seeded 6th if chosen, assuming Wong CH, Lee HI and Peter Gade all entered. Being the 6th seed he will have half the chance of meeting another Chinese in the quarters.
Choosing Bao and Chen Hong will assure 3 Chinese in the semis if they all beat their opponents, so they could get gold, silver, bronze.
So, discarding Xia is a strategic decision by the Chinese. If Xia's recent form was exceptionally good, then it would have been a different story. But from my point of view, I think Bao, Chen and Xia all have pretty equal chances.
seven
07-15-2004, 02:52 PM
hcyong, Xia Xuanze wouldn't have met any of his team mates before the semis either :
The rule for the Olympics is that for each NOC, the first and second player are placed in opposite halves, then the third one is placed in one of the remaining quarters... so he can't possibly meet a teammate before the semis, that's impossible!
Anyway, I think he had more chances of winning than Chen Hong or Bao Chunlai, but Li Yongbo didn't want to take the risk apparently...
wicked
07-15-2004, 06:17 PM
I am shock and sad too . Xia is the world champion and can you imagine the world champion did not get to go to the Olympics , this will be the last ever chance .
Morever Xia said 4 years ago that he would like to get the gold in the next Olympics which means this one !
Anyway let's see how Lin Dan and Bao fare this time since this is like a major event for them , do they have the mentality for this kind of championship ?
hcyong
07-15-2004, 09:57 PM
hcyong, Xia Xuanze wouldn't have met any of his team mates before the semis either :
The rule for the Olympics is that for each NOC, the first and second player are placed in opposite halves, then the third one is placed in one of the remaining quarters... so he can't possibly meet a teammate before the semis, that's impossible!
Anyway, I think he had more chances of winning than Chen Hong or Bao Chunlai, but Li Yongbo didn't want to take the risk apparently...
You are right. Forgot about that. But I still think it's hard to choose from Chen, Bao and Xia. Based on the world rankings, Xia should not have any complaints.
silvia
07-16-2004, 02:32 AM
I still cant get it why Xuanze is not chosen, i understand why they choose Lindan and Baochunlai,....but why whyy on earth they choose CHEN HOng....
the player who has never won against Taufik, the player who has not win many major tournaments...oh no...xuanze is more a fighter than ch, he will not be easily giving up points or games, unlike ch and more importantly xuanze has better records against other country's players........i really cant understand...so wat is chen hong ranking is better than xuanze..... :mad:
Rankings is the fairest and most advantageous way to select the players in terms of seeding.
Although Xia did win the worlds he certainly benifitted from the chinese team orders in doing so and Lin, Bao deserve their chance this year.
Xia hasn't shown the form to be a serious threat this year.
silvia
07-16-2004, 03:35 AM
Rankings is the fairest and most advantageous way to select the players in terms of seeding.
Although Xia did win the worlds he certainly benifitted from the chinese team orders in doing so and Lin, Bao deserve their chance this year.
Xia hasn't shown the form to be a serious threat this year.
so u meaning, xia can won the world championship last year, its ALL becoz of the team order..??? ...bch and lindan indeed deserve their spot in the athen, the one that i dont understand is CHenhong.....if xia hasn't shown the form to be a serious threat this year, so do chen hong.....
Looking at Xia's significant results since winning the worlds:
First two events injured, walkovers
Sep
Malaysia Lost to Bao 1/16
Denmark beat M. Christianson 3 games, lost Park Tae Sang 1/32
German lost Park Tae Sang 1/32
Oct
Hong Kong beat Chen Yu (3 games), Bt Boesen (3 games), lost Polsana (3 games) Semi
Nov
China bt K. Asuncion 3 games, bt Lee Chong Wei 3 games, lost Lin Dan Qtrs
March
Swiss bt K Oedum 3 games, lost Kuncoro 3 games, qtrs
All ENgland bt Park Hwang sung 3 games, lost Vaughan 3 games 1/32
Korea bt Joppien, Park tae sung, Chen Hong, Winner!
April
Japan lost Gade 1/16
May
TC bt K Han, bt Santoso
June
Malaysia bt Rasmussen 3 games, lost Park Hwang Sung semis
So Xia has come back into some form in the last three months, winning the Korean and making semis in Malaysia but his form before that was terrible. Almost every match going to three games, even against very low world ranked players. Only at the Korea which he won did he start to dispatch players in two games. Considering that he would have been one of the top seeds for all these events you notice poor his results were last year. I would suggest its Xia's concentration which has let him down, when he's good he's a world beater but he consistently lets players he can beat back into matches and over a tournament you can't expect to keep winning three end matches and progress.
Yup.. Xia has not shown that he is worth going to athens this year.
silvia
07-16-2004, 05:16 AM
Yup.. Xia has not shown that he is worth going to athens this year.
so do chen hong....
Cheung
07-16-2004, 07:31 AM
so do chen hong....Then it was a tough choice for the coaches. Each player will have their own supporters.
I remember the most recent 5* tournaments... In Japan Lin Dan and Bao reached the semfinals (Chen lost from Park and Xia from Gade),
but in Korea.... Xia beat Chen in the finals.
In Malasia, both Xia and Chen lost in the semifinals... and Bao/Lin lost in the quarter finals.
Syaoran_Style
07-16-2004, 08:26 AM
We Can give a chance to Chen hong ;) Even if he never made good results against opponent from other country, he's one of the best player of the world and Xia has already been at the olympics games not him
Just let him a chance he deserves this selection . We will see what he will do at olympics games. :D
chinadoll
07-16-2004, 09:10 AM
i still think it's a pity that Xuanze isn't able to fulfil his wish of changing his bronze medal to a gold medal....
he didn't even get his chance to attain it........ hiaz :(
silvia
07-16-2004, 09:20 AM
i still think it's a pity that Xuanze isn't able to fulfil his wish of changing his bronze medal to a gold medal....
he didn't even get his chance to attain it........ hiaz :(
ya true , wonder how he taking it??........just hope he would not give up his career this soon....
cooler
07-16-2004, 09:21 AM
A good and fair coach make decision based on merit and fairness, not history.
lin, bao, chen are all hot now, liyongbo went with hot players.
May I also re-emphrasize my point about SPEED and youth have speed. (i'm assuming chen hong is younger than xia Z X)
regarding other people's comment about bao immaturity, i think bao's winning a long grueling match against kenneth Jonassan had proved his maturity and determination.
chinadoll
07-16-2004, 09:30 AM
read in sports.sina tat Xuanze will be training with his team mates then he will go back to his hometown for a break....... wonder will he come back? :confused:
btw Xuanze and Chen Hong are of the same age
and i believe Xuanze's determination is stronger than them....
Bao's only beat K. Jonassen in TC this year, but whether he can continue that level of maturity and fighting spirit in Olympics is still an unknown yet...
silvia
07-16-2004, 09:33 AM
A good and fair coach make decision based on merit and fairness, not history.
lin, bao, chen are all hot now, liyongbo went with hot players.
May I also re-emphrasize my point about SPEED and youth have speed. (i'm assuming chen hong is younger than xia Z X)
regarding other people's comment about bao immaturity, i think bao's winning a long grueling match against kenneth Jonassan had proved his maturity and determination.
wat??....u meant chen is hot now???>...did he won any tournaments this year???????????????????, if u want to compare the result this year, i guess xuanze's one is better than chen hong, at least , he won the Korea open this year............and i think xuanze is nt much older than chen hong andyway....
chinadoll
07-16-2004, 09:36 AM
wat??....u meant chen is hot now???>...did he won any tournaments this year???????????????????, if u want to compare the result this year, i guess xuanze's one is better than chen hong, at least , he won the Korea open this year............and i think xuanze is nt much older than chen hong andyway....yup... and when Xuanze won in Korea Open 2004, he BEAT Chen Hong!!!
15-13, 15-4 if i'm not wrong :rolleyes:
read in sports.sina tat Xuanze will be training with his team mates then he will go back to his hometown for a break....... wonder will he come back? :confused:
btw Xuanze and Chen Hong are of the same age
and i believe Xuanze's determination is stronger than them....
Bao's only beat K. Jonassen in TC this year, but whether he can continue that level of maturity and fighting spirit in Olympics is still an unknown yet...
One thing is sure. There will be many surprises at the Olympics. So winning a prize from Kwun is real 'tough' this time! However, unlike poor Xia, all of us have an equal chance to enter the contest! :) :p :D
chinadoll
07-16-2004, 10:17 AM
One thing is sure. There will be many surprises at the Olympics. So winning a prize from Kwun is real 'tough' this time! However, unlike poor Xia, all of us have an equal chance to enter the contest! :) :p :D
huh? what chance, what prize? i dont understand :confused:
cooler
07-16-2004, 10:33 AM
yup... and when Xuanze won in Korea Open 2004, he BEAT Chen Hong!!!
15-13, 15-4 if i'm not wrong :rolleyes:
You maybe right on this point. However, one must consider who are china's potential opponents and how china gonna deal wif them, rather than xzx able to beat chen hong. I was watching some clips from worldbadminton.net, chen hong look really sharp.
LOL, just took a glance at world ranking standing:
Rank Last Name First Name Country Int Comps Ind Pts. Team Comps Team Pts. Total Comps Total Point
1 CHEN Hong CHN 9 3147 1 354.98 10 3,501.97
2 LIN Dan CHN 10 3288 0 0 10 3,288.00
3 LEE Hyun II KOR 9 2853 1 315.58 10 3,168.58
4 WONG Choong Hann MAS 10 3015 0 0 10 3,015.00
5 XIA Xuanze CHN 9 2730 1 279.33 10 3,009.33
6 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN 10 2730 0 0 10 2,730.00
7 BAO Chunlai CHN 9 2208 1 259.33 10 2,467.33
Ben Beckman
07-16-2004, 10:58 AM
I think it's good that Chen was picked. If he can repeat the form he had in 2001/02 then I am sure he will win. He was pure quality in those 2 years. He picked up an injury and never really came back, also suffered from fevers. If he peaks for the olympics I would put him as one of my favourites.
I think Xia should have been picked over Bao because a team with Lin, Chen and Xia would be formidable, loads of threats. Bao doesn't pose much of a threat against attacking players. Good against runners but not attackers like himself.
chinadoll
07-16-2004, 11:46 AM
I think it's good that Chen was picked. If he can repeat the form he had in 2001/02 then I am sure he will win. He was pure quality in those 2 years. He picked up an injury and never really came back, also suffered from fevers. If he peaks for the olympics I would put him as one of my favourites.
I think Xia should have been picked over Bao because a team with Lin, Chen and Xia would be formidable, loads of threats. Bao doesn't pose much of a threat against attacking players. Good against runners but not attackers like himself.
yah.... i agreed...
i would have chosen Lin Dan, Chen Hong n Xia Xuanze too
cooler
07-16-2004, 11:58 AM
it is reported that Xia is still recovering from an injury after the WC.
Qidong
07-16-2004, 09:00 PM
it is reported that Xia is still recovering from an injury after the WC.
That's what Li said. But from another newspaper interview, Xia said his injury is very minor, and he has been practicing normally every day. He was disappointed not selected, but he will respect Li's decision.
hcpoirot
07-18-2004, 01:59 PM
The reason is simple. Of course it's not cause he was still injured like Li Yong Bo said but because Lin Dan, Chen Hong and Bao Chun Lai made it to top four ranking in the world. That mean Lin and Chen will not meet before final and Bao will not meet Lin or Chen before semifinal.
If they include Xia and dump Chen. Xia probably meet Bao in quarterfinal and then the winner possibly meet Lin in semifinal. Not very profitable. :)
By entering Lin, Chen and Bao, if the three of them made it to the semifinal, at least the Chinese guaranteed one place in final and a bronze medal.
Xia can only blame himself. If he rank number two instead of Chen, definetly Xia will accompany Lin and Bao and not Chen.
So I have to gave Zhang Ning a big applause that after she got dump twice from Olympiade squads in 1996 and 2000 , she still try and made it in 2004 and she is 29 years old. Probably the oldest member in Chinese badminton Olympic squad ever. How she stay and fight to compete in the very tight Chinese squad, I never know. Probably why she is the World Champion and my best bet to win the gold medal if she can fight off her own teammates. :D
My best bet in man single had to be Lin Dan.
Mens double probably the Danish pairs or Korean Ha/ Kim
Womens Double absolutely Gao Ling and Huang Sui
Mix Double: It will be a miracle if Kim Dong Moon and Ra Kyung Win didn't win this title.
SmashingBird
07-18-2004, 02:10 PM
didn't someone already stated that it is impossible to meet your own teammates before the semis no matter how you are seeded.
Jonno
07-18-2004, 04:07 PM
didn't someone already stated that it is impossible to meet your own teammates before the semis no matter how you are seeded
I thought so as well. Can't be bothered to look up the post, but the point was that no matter who is picked, China have 3 of the to 4 seeds, thus cannot have any of the shuttlers meeting before the semis.
So I have to gave Zhang Ning a big applause that after she got dump twice from Olympiade squads in 1996 and 2000 , she still try and made it in 2004 and she is 29 years old. Probably the oldest member in Chinese badminton Olympic squad ever. How she stay and fight to compete in the very tight Chinese squad, I never know. Probably why she is the World Champion and my best bet to win the gold medal if she can fight off her own teammates. :DI couldn't agree more with this. She is my favourite Ladies' singles player, and thoroughly deserves recognition after all these years. I hope she takes Gold (or Silver if Tracey Hallam beats her in the final :p )
economet
07-18-2004, 04:44 PM
At the last German Open I personally heard the Chinese coach responsible for Men's singles saying that 'Xia doesn't have a good technique.' (These were his own words.) A World Champion who doesn't have good skills! (What an irony!) I just thought the coach was angry because Xia lost twice consecutively against Park Tae Sang (Danish and German Open 2003). But last December Lin Dan gave an interview to a local newspaper that he and Bao should lose against Xia because the final opponent would be Wong Choonghan against whom Xia never lost. Lin Dan's assertion that Xia could only win the WC title because he and Bao gave up before was sensational. Lin Dan was not punished because he already won two five star tournaments.
Early this year a former Chinese national player told me that Xia would not go to Athens even if he had a better ranking than Bao or Chen Hong.
Li and his coaches made up their mind long before and waited till the time was mature.
the coach's comment about Xia without good technique was echo'ed a few times in various news articles quoting Chinese coaching including Li himself. it was said that Xia wins matches from his never say die fighting spirit.
i agree with the comment about fighting spirit but i fail to see how Xia is seen to have inferior techniques.
Jonno
07-18-2004, 04:55 PM
i agree with the comment about fighting spirit but i fail to see how Xia is seen to have inferior techniques. I wouldnt mind having Xia Xuanze's 'inferior' technique! :p
economet
07-18-2004, 05:07 PM
i agree with the comment about fighting spirit but i fail to see how Xia is seen to have inferior techniques.I don't agree with Chinese coaches' comment on Xia, either. I just wanted to stress that Xia's coaches made up their mind very early who to send to the Olympics.
bluejeff
07-18-2004, 10:07 PM
I just went through some Badminton sites in Taiwan, and one of Xia's fan said that he/she actually cried when he/she heard this bad news for Xia. :o That's a die-hard fan.....
hcyong
07-18-2004, 10:21 PM
If both Xia and Chen Hong show that they do not deserve to go to Athens, then no camp should complain.
ymq03
07-19-2004, 02:00 PM
China is more concern on Olympics 2008 instead of 2004. So Lin and Bao are in even they may not last to 2008. Before any new person comes up better, they are only bet for 2008. Bao needs to get experiences considering his weakness is mental not techneque. Somehow, Li likes Bao.
Chen has the ranking make sure not all 3 Chinese players are in the same half. If you read rules carefully and see the web site how Chinese coach worried the above case, you know why Chen is in not Xia.
hcyong
07-20-2004, 09:36 PM
the coach's comment about Xia without good technique was echo'ed a few times in various news articles quoting Chinese coaching including Li himself. it was said that Xia wins matches from his never say die fighting spirit.
i agree with the comment about fighting spirit but i fail to see how Xia is seen to have inferior techniques.
Actually I kinda agree with the Chinese coaches. He wins by speed and constant pressure on the opponent. Also he is mentally tough, so he can be quite a fighter. When it comes to playing style, he reminds me of Lee Tsuen Seng.
He loses to Bao and Chen in terms of technique (maybe because he is shorter, so can't execute the technique as well as them), but I wouldn't say he is a worse player than either of them. No matter how you can argue, it is still a tough decision to choose two out of the three.
hcyong
07-20-2004, 09:38 PM
Chen has the ranking make sure not all 3 Chinese players are in the same half. If you read rules carefully and see the web site how Chinese coach worried the above case, you know why Chen is in not Xia.
According to Olympic rules for badminton, all 3 players from the same country are guaranteed to be in different quarters. Obviously, 2 of them has to be in the same half because we can't have 3 halves.
liverpool
07-20-2004, 10:27 PM
Well it is a great mistake by China coach....Bao CL is only good because of his reach....mentally will crumble under pressure.. Kenneth J of Denmark nearly succeded During the TC Finals at Jakarta.
Is there some other reasons for Xia misery? Alcohol, or other indiscipline problem!!! Only Mr. Li YB know best.
Anyone of the top ten can win the gold...need luck in the draw. In addition, format of the tournament will be very detrimental for players who cannot finish off their opponent in two sets. Hoping for a Malaysian to win our first ever gold medal. However, it will be tough as every game is a mercurial struggle for our players irregardless of the opponents.
For the last few months Ronald Susilo of Singapore keep popping up in my mind. Dark horses with the luck of the draw and the big guns killing each
other might just gave our less illustriuos neighbor the gold medal! In addition I think a lot of head at PBSI will " bungkus" ie. pack their bags!!
huijun
07-20-2004, 10:55 PM
Well it is a great mistake by China coach....Bao CL is only good because of his reach....mentally will crumble under pressure.. Kenneth J of Denmark nearly succeded During the TC Finals at Jakarta.
Look at this news http://www.bbesports.com/news/0407/20a.htm
Xia beat Bao in the simulated game. The score is 17:15. To my surprise, sang/zheng beat fu/cai with the score 15:7...... :)
peace
07-21-2004, 11:26 AM
I'm rather surprised to hear that Xia Xuanze lost the ticket to Athens. I think that Chen Hong or Bao Chunlai would lose it, but in fact : Xia lost it.
As a Chinese badminton fan, I really want that China win the gold. I hope that Li Yongbo have made a right decision for China. Although without Xia, I believe that Chinese squad will give their best to the badminton fans especially Chinese fans. :) Good luck for my favourite LIN DAN, and also Bao Chunlai and Chen Hong. Xia, don't worry, you're still one of the best player in the world today.
Well i think we should focus on who to win Gold in badminton. Xia's absense in the olympics ..well what have been decided has already decided. We cant do much about it... lets cheer on Lindan,Chen Hong and Bao.
silvia
07-27-2004, 08:15 AM
Well i think we should focus on who to win <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=Gold&v=56">Gold</a> in badminton. Xia's absense in the olympics ..well what have been decided has already decided. We cant do much about it... lets cheer on Lindan,Chen Hong and Bao.
Well I think Xia's absence in the olympic has much greater effect on us (ppl who support Xuanze) than wat u think,yeah maybe we cant do much so we just wanna express our disappointment and unhappiness here..cant we do that too??....
chinadoll
07-27-2004, 08:23 AM
Well i think we should focus on who to win Gold in badminton. Xia's absense in the olympics ..well what have been decided has already decided. We cant do much about it... lets cheer on Lindan,Chen Hong and Bao.
i would say Lin Dan will stand a higher chance of attaining gold out of the 3 players :)
cooler
07-28-2004, 02:05 AM
i see that many were disppointed about xia being left out of the olympic roster and puzzled as to why bao was chosen when xia is ranked higher than bao. Eliminating the rumor of xia's injury and trying to probe into liyongbo's mind, my theory is that liyongbo is looking beyond 2004, like the 2008 olympic at beijing. Lin is a shoe in for the 2004 olympic and likely will play 2008 game too. Xia's age likely make him an unlikely candidate, bao age would. So, providing 2004 olympic experience to lin and bao is essential for a solid MS lineup in 2008, aiming for gold and silver in 2008. A new entrant would prolly make up the lin and bao team in 2008.
FYI, Bao is ranked higher than Xia.
cooler
07-28-2004, 02:55 AM
there goes my theory :o
i got my info from
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/badminton-central/rankings/MS-rankings.php
still not sure if bao was ranked higher than xia when liyongbo made his decision.
Neil Nicholls
07-28-2004, 03:14 AM
Looking at Xia's significant results since winning the worlds:
First two events injured, walkovers
Sep
Malaysia Lost to Bao 1/16
Denmark beat M. Christianson 3 games, lost Park Tae Sang 1/32
German lost Park Tae Sang 1/32
Oct
Hong Kong beat Chen Yu (3 games), Bt Boesen (3 games), lost Polsana (3 games) Semi
Nov
China bt K. Asuncion 3 games, bt Lee Chong Wei 3 games, lost Lin Dan Qtrs
March
Swiss bt K Oedum 3 games, lost Kuncoro 3 games, qtrs
All ENgland bt Park Hwang sung 3 games, lost Vaughan 3 games 1/32
Korea bt Joppien, Park tae sung, Chen Hong, Winner!
April
Japan lost Gade 1/16
May
TC bt K Han, bt Santoso
June
Malaysia bt Rasmussen 3 games, lost Park Hwang Sung semis
So Xia has
1 Win
0 loss in Final
2 loss in SF
2 loss in QF
4 loss in 1/16
3 loss in 1/32
1 loss in 1/64
Since WC2003 Chen Hong has
2 Win (Singapore 2003, Malaysia 2003)
2 loss in Final (Indonesia 2003, Korea 2004)
1 loss in SF (Malaysia 2004)
3 loss in QF (Denmark 2003, Swiss 2004, Japan 2004)
2 loss in 1/16
From March 2004 onwards
Xia has
1 Win
0 loss in Final
1 loss in SF
0 loss in QF
2 loss in 1/16
1 loss in 1/32
Chen has
0 Win
1 loss in Final
1 loss in SF
2 loss in QF
1 loss in 1/16
Chen is more consistent. And I think Li Yong Bo would like the chance to get a SF with 2 Chinese in it. Chen Hong is more likely to get to a SF than Xia.
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