Dutchy of Cornwall Satellite

[Dill]

Anyone thinking of playing in the Dutchy of Cornwall Satellite this year?

18th & 19th September 2004.

[sunny]

Anyone thinking of playing in the Dutchy of Cornwall Satellite this year?

18th & 19th September 2004.

I may play based if I improve my fitness in the next 40 days and if they have a plate tournament. Do you know whether they have plate tournament this year? Usually the standard of players who turn-up for cornwall is very low isn't?

[Neil Nicholls]

Do you know whether they have plate tournament this year?

The entry form says "there will be mens and ladies singles and doubles plate events, time permitting"

[Neil Nicholls]

Usually the standard of players who turn-up for cornwall is very low isn't?

That would be me then :p

If the family holiday is in Cornwall this year, I'll try to fit the satellite in.
2 years ago I entered after being on holiday for a week. A week of pasties and booze is not good preparation.
Last year I was going to play, but during the holiday I twisted my ankle scrambling over rocks.
In future I'll get the badminton out of the way at the start of the holiday rather than at the end.

[sunny]

The entry form says "there will be mens and ladies singles and doubles plate events, time permitting"

Neil,

Where can I find the entry form? I'm also looking for updated calendar for year 2004-2005. I've a calendar but not sure if it is a proper one.

[Neil Nicholls]

Because I entered the event before, I got a form through the post.

but you can also go to

http://www.badders.com/news/item/553/The-22nd-Duchy-of-Cornwall-Badminton-Championships


I haven't seen a calendar yet, but then I haven't looked.
I was going to give the Satellites a miss this year.

[skates]

Neil,

Where can I find the entry form? I'm also looking for updated calendar for year 2004-2005. I've a calendar but not sure if it is a proper one.

Hey Sunny

Fancy entering the Men's doubles - Me and You ? :)
Maybe we could get a few more and arrange a trip.

Skates

[sunny]

Hey Sunny

Fancy entering the Men's doubles - Me and You ? :)
Maybe we could get a few more and arrange a trip.

Skates

Sure skates. :) That will be great. When we meet in high wycombe we will practise together and understand each others game.

Yeah that will be great mate :) I will ask Jonno, Tomsk and Batgirl whether they have any plans for satellites. I was thinking of asking batgirl if she is interested in playing XD in satellites. I think richard may also join us for few satellites.

Let's do it :) As the coach use to tell us for motivation "COME ON" :)

Currently I'm watching Lee Young Suk's All England Finals 1988 and Grand Prix Finals 1988 :) She is a Unsung Heroin mate. What a fantastic game. So much deception and so quick in the court.

[sunny]

Because I entered the event before, I got a form through the post.

but you can also go to

http://www.badders.com/news/item/553/The-22nd-Duchy-of-Cornwall-Badminton-Championships


I haven't seen a calendar yet, but then I haven't looked.
I was going to give the Satellites a miss this year.

Neil,

Thanks for the link. The following is the calendar 2004-2005 I have for satellites but I'm not sure whether they are accurate

28th Aug 2004 - Herts
11th Sep 2004 - Bournemouth
18th Sep 2004 - Harrogate/Cornwall
09th Oct 2004 - Wessex
23rd Oct 2004 - Oxford
06th Nov 2004 - Jersey
20th Nov 2004 - Middlesex
27th Nov 2004 - Hants
04th Dec 2004 - Wilts
15th Jan 2005 - Lancs
22nd Jan 2005 - Berks/Staffs
29th Jan 2005 - Devon/Cambs
12th Feb 2005 - Cheshire
26th Feb 2005 - Suffolk
05th Mar 2005 - Leics
26th Mar 2005 - Northum
09th Apr 2005 - Hull
16th Apr 2005 - Guernsey

[Dill]

I just got a message from the lady that runs it and she said there are a few league and county level players who usualy attend.

It is also worth noticing that the date is shared by two competitions making the entry split and hopefully the level would be lower.

As a meagre club player I would love to do the whole tour this year but have left it a bit late :(

Just want to do this one since it sounds like fun.

[skates]

I just got a message from the lady that runs it and she said there are a few league and county level players who usualy attend.

It is also worth noticing that the date is shared by two competitions making the entry split and hopefully the level would be lower.

As a meagre club player I would love to do the whole tour this year but have left it a bit late :(

Just want to do this one since it sounds like fun.
Well let's all go for it mate.

We can talk about it when I see you at the LIBA course up in Glasgow.

All the best


Skates

[Matt Ross]

Im there...hope to see u there

[Dill]

Im there...hope to see u there

Er..................I was thinking of going but.................??

Maybe not the gents doubles now :eek:

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

lol, you really haven't seen me play so for all you know i could be shocking...i could be one of those who walk the walk and cant talk the talk! Be great to see you there, along with skates, sunny and a few others?

[Dill]

Cough cough, training in the International academy............ :p

[Matt Ross]

Go on, just go for it!!

It's the last one before i go away, so a nice competition will do to see me off, dont really know what the competition is like in that one, perhaps dlp can fill us in? I think Dan Corby plays in it

[Dill]

I can't, I'm scared........

sorry about being a bit ignorant, who is Dan Corby?

I think Neil has played in one before, from what Linda says it is mostly good club standard with a healthy sprinkling of county level players thrown into the mix for good measure because the English county championships are due to kick off sometime close after so they use it for a warm up.

"C" level circuit my a$$.

If I can find someone gullible I'm in for the doubles too...........wahey :D

[sunny]

It's the last one before i go away, so a nice competition will do to see me off

Why the last one? are you going abroad? There are plenty of satellites left mate.

[Matt Ross]

I'm off to the International Badminton Academy in Denmark for two months from October to December, so i'll miss a fair few. Thats why i said its the last one before i go away...you gonna be there sunny?

[sunny]

I'm off to the International Badminton Academy in Denmark for two months from October to December
Coooollll.


you gonna be there sunny?
Yes. Myself and skates are planning to play doubles. I'll be playing singles, doubles and XD. (Still looking for XD partner though). Hope to see you there. Have you got any plans to attend LIBA workshops in High Wycombe?

[Dill]

Why the last one? are you going abroad? There are plenty of satellites left mate.

Matt is leaving our fair shores for the mainland to study his art there, in other words he's going to the international badminton academy in Denmark for three months to train (if I remember correctly)

[Dill]

Why the last one? are you going abroad? There are plenty of satellites left mate.

Matt is going to the international badminton academy in Denmark to train for a little while.

Let's hope he's close to an internet cafe for reports. :D

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Finacial issues means i have had to reduce it to two months. Dont worry, one of the guys there has a comp and i'll be posting how i am getting on.

About High Wycombe, it seems i'll be there on the Sunday (if my mate decides to go). Hopefully meet up with ya, i hope to take part but i think i will mainly be helping Lee out.

Matt

[sunny]

Dill,

Finacial issues means i have had to reduce it to two months. Dont worry, one of the guys there has a comp and i'll be posting how i am getting on.

About High Wycombe, it seems i'll be there on the Sunday (if my mate decides to go). Hopefully meet up with ya, i hope to take part but i think i will mainly be helping Lee out.

Matt

Financial issues are number one enemy for sportsman. When I was at university I gave up badminton because I couldn't afford it. Also I was not good at badminton and I used financial issues as an excuse :D

Matt if you don't mind me asking what sort of money do you have to spend a month for training abroad? You don't have to answer if it was personal (which I think it is) and I trully apologise. I was just curious.

cheers
sunny

[Dill]

Let's just say the figure is quite high for the coaching in the academy per month and on top of that the figure increases because you have to rent a place to stay and then pay for all your food etc.

I looked into it last year but realised I was nowhere near good enough and would not have been accepted.

In other words it's quite pricey :eek:

[kwun]

imho, it also shows Matt's dedication to the sport.

most people are complaining a few dollars here and there for courts and coaching are expensive. but Matt here probably spent a significant portion of his savings attending one of the best training in a foreign country.

if that's not dedication, what is?

[Dill]

imho, it also shows Matt's dedication to the sport.

most people are complaining a few dollars here and there for courts and coaching are expensive. but Matt here probably spent a significant portion of his savings attending one of the best training in a foreign country.

if that's not dedication, what is?

A very significant part, not only his dedication to the sport but his belief in himself.

I think we all wish Matt the best for the academy and realise he is doing something only really the pros can. Not many of us would give up our comfortable lives to go and train hard for a couple of months, I think Matt is very dedicated and brave and I hope he gets good results and learns a great deal from his experience.

[sunny]

imho, it also shows Matt's dedication to the sport.

most people are complaining a few dollars here and there for courts and coaching are expensive. but Matt here probably spent a significant portion of his savings attending one of the best training in a foreign country.

if that's not dedication, what is?

Sure it is pure dedication.

[Matt Ross]

Guys,

I cant thank you enough for your continued support. When going to Korea fell through, i basically had a choice. I could leave my badminton career, and persue it on a much lower level, or go bust and try achieve something i really do enjoy doing.
To be honest, i have hardly ever worked, weekends were dedicated to even hard training and tidying up on a few things, so there was no money. My parents put in a savings for me and when i turned 18, i could draw this money out. This money was there to learn to drive, financial security etc. However, over these last couple of months i have really improved and have great belief in myself to achieve something and make myself proud. The way i see it, i go out there aged 18, come back aged 18 nothing would have changed. Yesi would be broke, but i have time to et a nice office job, family etc if things go wrong. So far, i am so close to what i have always wanted to achieve, so i followed myself and went for the training. Here i can truely see whether i have what it takes. Looking back really, its a mega step for quite a young person. As you can understand right now training is up, training all week and really trying my hardest.

Once again, i have to thank you all for your support, and hope tomeet some of you before i leave (and Kwun, next time your in the UK better let me know!)

Matt

[Neil Nicholls]

In future I'll get the badminton out of the way at the start of the holiday rather than at the end.

So much for that idea.
This year, I shall mostly be holidaying in St. Ives with the last day being 18th September. So. See you in the singles. (if I survive the pastie and scrumpy frenzy).

[Dill]

Wahey, so that's:

Neil, Matt, Skates, Sunny and me :cool:

[woop.]

are there entry forms for this on the baofe site?

[Neil Nicholls]

are there entry forms for this on the baofe site?
see post #6

(I hate the 15 character minimum message length)

[Matt Ross]

I mite even enter the singles....hmmmmm :rolleyes:

[Neil Nicholls]

I mite even enter the singles....hmmmmm :rolleyes:
Go on. Think of it as preparation for the doubles. Getting used to the hall and lighting and floor surface and whatever...

[Matt Ross]

I'll see how training goes over the next couple of weeks...

[Dill]

I'll see how training goes over the next couple of weeks...

You mean you need training to play singles? Oh no..................

[Matt Ross]

Doubles drills often resemble good singles drills (eg Sunday: One Hour Shadow Badminton). My singles game has raised a little, so i mite just see how it fares, there is like a 40/60 chance of me entering singles tho!

[Dill]

Just been looking at train times and have found a direct train from Glasgow, it only takes 9hrs 24min but they are bloody expensive at £150 return :(

Even Easyjet to Stansted and a train to Redruth is not much cheaper, I better take a week off work and start walking

I need a sponsor!

[sunny]

Just been looking at train times and have found a direct train from Glasgow, it only takes 9hrs 24min but they are bloody expensive at £150 return :(

Even Easyjet to Stansted and a train to Redruth is not much cheaper, I better take a week off work and start walking

I need a sponsor!

9 hrs 24 mins :eek:

Blimey!! It is also very expensive. Is there any other alternatives? I haven't even planned how I'm going to get there :confused: but surely I will be there :D

[Dill]

9 hrs 24 mins :eek:

Blimey!! It is also very expensive. Is there any other alternatives? I haven't even planned how I'm going to get there :confused: but surely I will be there :D

I could sail, but need to buy a boat and learn how to sail :p

Train or plain and train, even car hire with my crash background would be too expensive :mad:

[Matt Ross]

Can you get a flight to Cardiff, and then a train from there to Redruth?? I'm not any good with your transport networks!!

[Dill]

Can you get a flight to Cardiff, and then a train from there to Redruth?? I'm not any good with your transport networks!!

Toot toot, all aboard for Dill's one day tour of the UK :cool:

[Matt Ross]

Gonna cost you an arm and a leg mate. You better get there the day before (or was this your plan?) coz you'll be cream crackered

[Dill]

That was the plan but the times are very weird of the connecting flights etc, there seem to be no connections within a good time of each other. I have to wait ages on connecting trains etc. :mad:

[Neil Nicholls]

Toot toot, all aboard for Dill's one day tour of the UK :cool:

I think you can get 2 singles rather than a return for about 24GBP each if you use something like the Virgin Value 14 Day Advance ticket. You just have to book 14 days in advance.

I think you can get them with that direct train or the one with a change at Wigan (wait of 8 minutes)

well, that's what I found on
www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney

[andymcg]

Dill you could maybe fly to Bristol and get some kind of train connection from there. I've flown from Newcastle to Bristol before then hired a car for a long weekend down in Cornwall. It cut a 7/8 hour journey down to a slightly more manageable 3 hour drive + 45 minute flight. I guess the hiring a car bit will be too expensive but there must be some easy way of getting from Bristol to Cornwall.

Afraid Cornwall is too far for a tournament just now, so I'll be entering Harrogate instead I think. If you haven't bankrupted yourself with the cornwall trip Dill I'd recommend the Northumberland satellite. Its at the end of October and its just a little bit closer to Glasgow!

[Matt Ross]

Not many people enter Northumberland tho, thats the only problem!

[andymcg]

Yes, I know it is usually quiet. Unfortunately it has always clashed with another satellite further south, and this is the case again this year. The oxford one is on the same weekend. Hopefully it will be better this season (couldn't play in it last season), and hopefully there won't be any European Silver medallists in it this time ;)


Dill - another thought, Ryanair fly from Stansted to Newquay, and its not too expensive. I don't know how far away Redruth is from Newquay, but it would surely beat spending hours and hours on a train.

[Matt Ross]

Ah you was there too??

[andymcg]

No, I couldn't play in it last year, as I was away in Glasgow. Typical, a tournament all of 2 minutes away from my house, and I couldn't play in it. I will be in it this year though. I knew Anthony Clark was playing in it beforehand though, so was even more gutted that I wasn't able to watch him play close up.

[Matt Ross]

I was talking to him all day, smashing bloke. I was asking him to do a few trick shots for my video phone and he was happy to do so. Gonna meet up soon i hope..

[Dill]

He's not a nice chap at all he beat me 15-2 15-2 in a competition when I was 18 :rolleyes:

[Dill]

I think you can get 2 singles rather than a return for about 24GBP each if you use something like the Virgin Value 14 Day Advance ticket. You just have to book 14 days in advance.

I think you can get them with that direct train or the one with a change at Wigan (wait of 8 minutes)

well, that's what I found on
www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney

Ah I missed that part and was going to book a flight to Stansted and then on to Newquay and chance a taxi to Redruth. I missed the cheap fares and was looking at the two down the bottom with the selection dots which means you can book them online :rolleyes:

I don't mind the train time since it is a direct one and I will send an e-mail to Linda about what to do from the station etc.

So it looks like I can get there for £48. Wahey !!!!!!!!!!!

Now all I need to do is find a room, I got the list from Linda last week and will call round tomorrow, there is one just a quarter mile from the venue - surely I can't get lost that way :rolleyes:

Thanks Neil

[Matt Ross]

Good good mate!! I just need money for a room now too!!!

[Linda Collins]

Dear All,

I am new to this particular site and it is good to see some new names interested in coming to Cornwall to play in the Duchy of Cornwall Open. For those of you who do not know me - I am the Chairperson and Secretary of the Tournament. The Tournament is in it's 22nd year - of which I have been the secretary for the past 16 years!! I can sympathize with those of you who have to travel a long way, but I would like to think that those of you who make the long journey to our beautiful part of the world will not only enjoy the beauty of Cornwall but also enjoy our badminton event also. I will be brief but having read all the posts regarding our event I can confirm that the entry form is available from both the BA of E 's website and also our sponsors' website www.badders.com (http://www.badders.com)
I can also send out entry forms to any of you if you care to get in touch.
The standard of play varies from year to year - mainly attracting good County players and some internationals e.g. last year we had Ian Sullivan and Rebecca Pantaney entered to name but a few. However, we plan (as in previous years) to hold a plate event in the Singles, and Doubles events for first GAME losers, so at least if you lose to the no. 1 seed in the first round and elect to enter the plate you are guaranteed more games. With regards to the Mixed event, although there is no plate event for this discipline we play this event on a round robin basis in groups so again if you enter you are guaranteed more than one game.
Previous competitors that have entered recently are: Chris Shepperd (Hants), Jack Webb (Hants), Trevor Darlington (Hants) whose website is badders.com
Ian Sullivan (Gloucs and England), Betty Blair (Devon and England), Matt and Dan Corby (Devon) Nick Kidd (Avon and England)........ I could go on.

With regards to travel queries - Newquay airport is about 15 miles north of Redruth and the Leisure Centre. Redruth railway station is approx. 3 miles from the LC and the B & B's I have mentioned to some of you are within walking distance to the LC. The LC is also only approx. 2 miles from some beautiful beaches.

On the Saturday evening of the Championships the Committee invite players and spectators alike to join them with a glass of wine and some light refreshments. You will however, have to make sure that you get ahead of Jack Webb if you want a glass of red wine!!!!

I think that is about all the basis information I need to tell you. However, if you wish to discuss the tournament further with me please do not hesitate to contact me initially on 01209 713794 when I will also give you my e mail address if you require it.
Please note the closing date for entries is Wednesday 1st September with the draw and seeding taking place on the following Sunday 5th September.
My Committee and I look forward to seeing and making you most welcome.
Regards,
Linda

[Dill]

Linda I was expecting you to say the standard was mediocre at best and not depress me further, having to run for booze, it's just not cricket is it :(

I think there is a merry little bunch from the site who will all be heading for the coast and hope the competition goes well.

Good to see you made it to the site.

[Matt Ross]

Linda,

Great pleasure to have you on here!! As you can tell, this tournament evokes alot of interest. I myself am a keen admirer of Cornwall and Redruth not being far from Lands End and Newque it's twisted my arm. I have mentioned on a number of occasions about trying to get there, but this time i am. Its the last tournament before i go to the International Badminton Academy so to meet up with you and the rabbel from here should be a good laugh.

I look foward to meeting you and getting my drop of wine
Matt

[Dill]

Good good mate!! I just need money for a room now too!!!

If Linda's post is on the mark I'm up for just having an all night barbeque on the beach and then in for doubles if I can find someone else stupid enough to come down with me :eek:

[Matt Ross]

Dill mate,

See it as meeting up with some of us BFers, if you progress in the tournament great. Just do me a favour, leave those kilts at home!!

[Linda Collins]

Hi Matt,

Good to note you plan on entering this year........ I recall you saying last year on badders.com site you intended playing but it didn't materialise. Lets hope it does this year.

It will be great to see some new and enthusiastic faces.

Please let me know if I can help further.

[Dill]

Only if you leave your white ford escort at home too :D

[Matt Ross]

Linda,

What about B and B prices around your way? I know travel lodges can soon mount up to a fair bit!! Perhaps i can crash over at yours!!

[Matt Ross]

Only if you leave your white ford escort at home too :D

lol, it took you a while to come back there lad, you had to look up things about Essex lads? :p

[Dill]

lol, it took you a while to come back there lad, you had to look up things about Essex lads? :p

I was on a "certain" other site loooking up a "certain" thread that a "certain" someone had started whilst sampling the scrumpy in preparation for going to Cornwall :D

He He

[Matt Ross]

hahaha.

Anyway, the same people still up for going? Dill, does that cut down on your cost in getting there mate? I hope your a bit of a party animal and can hack it at night time!

[Dill]

hahaha.

Anyway, the same people still up for going? Dill, does that cut down on your cost in getting there mate? I hope your a bit of a party animal and can hack it at night time!

You mean play half cut? Why I never.............. :p

As far as I know Skates is still going and Sunny will be resting his leg for the High Wycome LJB course, the others.......... I hope everyone there since I've taken the long weekend off and subject to B&B prices I might stay till the doubles are over and get the train back on the Monday and support my local (international) badminton forum members!

[Linda Collins]

Well, Matt, What can I say.... Words fail me... and that is saying something believe me!!
As you say Travel Lodge costs can mount up. However, a couple of the local B & B's are quite reasonable and within "staggering distance" of the LC. although a little way from any of the night life, but I daresay if you get chatting to Jack Webb of Hants. he will be able to point you in the direction of the places for a pint or three!! and a boogie if you are that way inclined!! Unfortunately my place is fully booked that weekend!!!
Hope as many of you as possible will be able to make it. If anybody is stuck for a partner I may be able to fix them up nearer the closing date as I usually get some "partner required" requests on the entry forms.

[Dill]

Linda dropped me an e-mail yesterday and the prices of two of the BnB's were very reasonable at £20-25 for a single room, one en-suite :cool:

I'm sure if you were going with a doubles partner a twin room would work out cheaper.

[Matt Ross]

Not bad! Dill, do us a favour mate and give her an email to find out what the twin room is per nite. Ta!

[Dill]

If I get a chance during my lunch break tomorrow I'll do a ring round the B&B's and post the prices tomorrow night.

[Matt Ross]

Top bloke! And hows the training going?

[Dill]

Top bloke! And hows the training going?

I don't actually train as such, more of an attempt to hit more over than the last rally in each game.

Well it looks bad for the LJB course in Glasgow due to too many people pulling out, I was going to use that as a starting block and play in a small local competition two weeks later to get some practice in but I don't think it will be enough to get the amount I need to get my game up to scratch in time :(

Linda (who is very helpfull) is letting me know of people who are entering without partners and so far there is one who is a 1st division county player but I think he would be a bit let down if I were to play with him, so she is keeping me advised if there is anyone near(er) my level, I would think in Scotland I'm maybe a club player in the second division level (we have three leagues) and then we move to county level (don't know how many divisions though) So the gulf is a bit wide :eek:

Still haven't heard fron Sunny or Skates as to their still playing, hope Sunny's shin splints are healing well enough to let him play but I think if he does another LJB course the physicality of it may take it's toll.

[Matt Ross]

I'm sure Skates would still play!

Sorry to hear about the LJB course, how many people are there now? I gotta get ready for the Herts Open next month. Some BIG players at that tournament!

[sunny]

Still haven't heard fron Sunny or Skates as to their still playing, hope Sunny's shin splints are healing well enough to let him play but I think if he does another LJB course the physicality of it may take it's toll.

I'm still planning to play doubles with Skates but I may not play singles as my shin splint is not getting any better. I couldn't do any form of physical training because of the pain in the legs. I tried skipping last night to improve my footwork but I started to have pain within 5 minutes of skipping. I'm a bit concerned about it now :(

I'm still waiting for specialist appointment and the GP hasn't sent any yet. I thought having Private medical Insurance should help but it doesn't.

Sorry to hear that you haven't got many ppl signed up for LIBA. I would love to travel but I need to rest my legs otherwise I would go to scotland mate. How many ppl are there now?

matt, good luck for the herts open. I may go to watch the matches :) I will learn what are your strengths and weakness :) So that if I get to play against you in the future satellites I will be better prepared :D

Will it be ok to bring a video cam and record your games at herts open matt?
I will post those games here at BF :D The whole BFers will be watching you. No Pressure :D

[Dill]

I'm sure Skates would still play!

He was one of the few.


I tried skipping last night to improve my footwork but I started to have pain within 5 minutes of skipping. I'm a bit concerned about it now :(

Hate to say it but skipping is one of the worst things you can do for shin splints with the impact on the legs.

[Matt Ross]

Sunny,

Maybe it's your trainers? Trainers without a soft heal give shin splints due to the sudden impact. Try giving a pair of Asics running shoes a go, and make sure you R.I.C.E pretty much every day. Shin splints are a pain to get rid of once you got em

[Dill]

As posted earlier the prices are as follows:

Lansdown Guest house: No single rooms, Twin room £35 per night
Tyacks Hotel: No answer
L.J. Widdershoven: On holiday in September
Trefusis House: No answer
Lyndhurst Guest House: Single room £21 per night, Twin room £44 per night
(both single and twin with en-suite bathrooms)

So in other words you have the choice of two unless the other two start to answer their phones on occasion (maybe they just don't need the business) but I would have thought in such a small? place all the BnB's would be open to accommodate players because it would be a certain income for them!

Oh well shows you how much I know..............

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Ok mate nice one! You getting Psyched up for it then?? Howd u fancy your chances?

[UkPlayer]

As posted earlier the prices are as follows:

Lansdown Guest house: No single rooms, Twin room £35 per night
Tyacks Hotel: No answer
L.J. Widdershoven: On holiday in September
Trefusis House: No answer
Lyndhurst Guest House: Single room £21 per night, Twin room £44 per night
(both single and twin with en-suite bathrooms)

So in other words you have the choice of two unless the other two start to answer their phones on occasion (maybe they just don't need the business) but I would have thought in such a small? place all the BnB's would be open to accommodate players because it would be a certain income for them!

Oh well shows you how much I know..............

I stayed at the penventon hotel last time I played. A little more pricey but accomodation was ok and easy to book.

[Dill]

I just went by the list Linda sent out, I'm sure there must be a good few of these little BnB's dotted about the place.

Are you in this time player?

Matt, psyched up? No chance I'll take it as it comes. Although I have had all my rackets re strung in nice crisp gut just in case :)

I'm looking forward to having a little break, how about you?

[UkPlayer]

Nah, not in this time I'm afraid. Not much time for badminton right now :(



Are you in this time player?

[Dill]

Nah, not in this time I'm afraid. Not much time for badminton right now :(

Know how you feel, I also have somehow contracted the "can't be bothered bug" as well as can't find the time due to major problems at work. :(

[Matt Ross]

I'm looking forward to having a little break, how about you?

If this question was asked toward me, i aint got time for a break! Training bery intense at the moment as a series of comps coming up, and then off to IBA so!!

[Dill]

There's one of those Bonanzas in Grangemouth two weeks before the Open, I'll play in that to get some court time.

I was reading on badders that someone was looking for a club and was rating themselves as an A level player to which someone replied "you should be on the Satellite circuit"

I thought this was designed for good club players with the occasional county level player?

The closer it gets the more I'm convinced I'm going to look a muppet, maybe I should wear clown shoes on court!

Just as I have paid for my rooms and travel as well, oh well I'll just have to wait and see.

Either that or fake a passport for someone good and con them into playing in my name but make sure they get beat in the semi's to avoid their photo getting in any publications, am I thinking into this one too much? :eek:

Do I get a telegram from the moderators as this is my 1,000th post?

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Of course there will be county players there, there always are. It's just at the bigger events you get the big boys turn up. However, did not expect Clarky at the Northumberland.
Your not gonna look like a muppet, i would find it rather funny if me and you get drawn together. Would be a good game! Thats if i have the money to get a room!

Training is rather good actually, starting to peak a bit too early tho!

Matt

[Dill]

Are you telling me you're going to be seeded then? ;)

Do you have any coming up, I remember you saying you'd like to play in the hearts is it before Cornwall?

If you're peaking now it's a good thing! You're in form for the early comps.

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Not seeded im afraid!!However yes i am in the Herts before the Cornwall. I am peaking now but it should be a little later. I should be playing the way i am now in abut two weeks. Slight adjustment to the intensity i think!

[Dill]

Just checked the tickets to buy them and the cheap fares are not availible on that train so it looks like the expensive ones!

Noooooooooooooooooooooo :eek:

[Dill]

Is everyone still going to this?

With the increase in travel costs i'm starting to have second thoughts :eek:

[Matt Ross]

Dont bail out now!

[sunny]

I'm back after a week of Oracle DBA training. So what did I miss in BF all last week? :cool:


Sunny,

Maybe it's your trainers? Trainers without a soft heal give shin splints due to the sudden impact. Try giving a pair of Asics running shoes a go, and make sure you R.I.C.E pretty much every day. Shin splints are a pain to get rid of once you got em

Matt, I think its my shoe as well. When I was away for IT training all last week I forgot my trainers and had to wear my leather shoes all the time (even when I went for a walk in the park) and I started to have pains again.

I'm planning to buy new trainers next week(probably asics) and hopefully the pain should ease a bit.



Hate to say it but skipping is one of the worst things you can do for shin splints with the impact on the legs.

Yeah it was really stupid of me. I'm just a week away from High Wycombe workshop and I still get this pain every now and then. Maybe I'm getting old :(



Is everyone still going to this?

With the increase in travel costs i'm starting to have second thoughts


Myself and skates are still planning to play doubles. When I meet skates at High Wycombe we will be playing and practising together.

Are you playing singles, doubles or both? Have you got doubles partner?

[Dill]

Are you playing singles, doubles or both? Have you got doubles partner?

Er........

i Yes
ii Maybe
iii No

But only if I'm able to go

I have to e-mail Linda to see if anyone has put in for partner required, the main thing is I have to pay LJB's cancellation fee and the transport fares just went up to £150 because there are no cheap seats on the train :( So I might not be able to go :( :( :( :(

[Linda Collins]

Dear All,

Good to see that you are all TALKING about our event. Will be pleased to receive your entries soon. The closing date is WEDNESDAY 1ST SEPTEMBER.

One person mentioned the Penventon Hotel. I purposely didn't include this in my list of B & B's as it is rather expensive but nevertheless an excellent hotel. I am sure there would be plenty of accommodation should anybody feel like staying there. It is less than 2 miles from the Leisure Centre in one direction and less than 1 mile in the other direction to Redruth railway station. If anybody IS interested in staying there please do not hesitate to let me know and I will give you their telephone no. should you require it.

I really hope that those of you that ARE interested in entering - do so, as you all sound friendly guys and it would be good for the tournament to have some new faces.

I look forward to receiving your entries then????????:)

Kind regards,
Linda:)

[sunny]

the main thing is I have to pay LJB's cancellation fee
I'm Sorry to hear that you had to cancel the LJB workshop. Its a shame but lets hope the Silver medal won by Nathan and Gail gives more boost to badminton and hopefully in the future you get full house for these types of workshops.

There is still enough time (until 1st Sep) to make a decision about Cornwall. So Don't give up just yet :)

[Neil Nicholls]

and the transport fares just went up to £150 because there are no cheap seats on the train

how about driving?
round trip would be about 1100 miles, almost all motorway.
Even at 30mpg it would be 36 gallons or about 130GBP

If you've got a diesel, you should be laughing. But you could probably get 45+mpg from most cars nowadays on a long steady run if you keep it to 60mph.

45mpg would be less than 90GBP

[Dill]

I don't know about a rental car and I don't know the way (I know I could use route finder) so it's simpler to get a direct train to Redruth and then a taxi to the BnB, which is about 5 mins away from the train station and only about a half mile away from the leisure centre.

I have a ban a couple of years ago so it might be difficult getting a rental car with insurance and I'd need a nap as well.

Still haven't figured out if I can afford it though, need to wait to see the wage slip at the end of the month but either way I'll need to send in the application form this week.

[Dill]

Don't forget the forms have to be returned in under a week :eek:

At the moment it's game on (although it's not badminton judging by my latest form) :o :o :o

[dlp]

Unfortunately for the first time in many years I will miss cornwall , due to work, unless I can wriggle out somehow :)

I'm sure some of the current / former players that I coach for devon will be down there and I look forward to seeing your results guys. Why not come to the Devon open after xmas as well!

[UkPlayer]

Don't forget the forms have to be returned in under a week :eek:

At the moment it's game on (although it's not badminton judging by my latest form) :o :o :o

Cornwall was my first tournament in many years and though I thought my standard was well down and I was going to get beat, I almost took out one of the seeds. So don't go kidding yourself that everyone can play like Jonas Rasmussen. :)

[Dill]

Cornwall was my first tournament in many years and though I thought my standard was well down and I was going to get beat, I almost took out one of the seeds. So don't go kidding yourself that everyone can play like Jonas Rasmussen. :)

It's the conflicting versions of what it is like.

The entry form asks if you are a "bona-fide amateur" but then goes on to ask if you play county etc. I don't know many amateurs that play county even in Scotland :p

Anyway I am just play in a club in Glasgow, nothing special, don't even make the team :o and I think the team plays level 3 in the league and that's not even the county league :eek:

Anyway It'll be good for a wee break and to get to see some of the posters, are you taking part this year player?

[dlp]

Cornwall is very low standard, many cornwall, devon players from bottom icc division and juniors, vets, club players even lower, you do get the odd star like ian sullivan last year but he was retired by then :)

[Dill]

Cornwall is very low standard, many cornwall, devon players from bottom icc division and juniors, vets, club players even lower, you do get the odd star like ian sullivan last year but he was retired by then :)

And on that note I have bought my train tickets and booked a room in some small B&B, I have begun my training regime by putting on a stone for good measure :( and look forward to dragging it round the court in Cornwall (if it's still there)

DLP what is ICC, county?

I can hit a clear so may be in with a chance of not looking a fool (wahey), now 2 in a row is a different matter :eek:


Matt are you still playing the Hearts this weekend coming?

How did the draw go?

[Linda Collins]

Sorry, but I do not agree with DLP's comments. We DO get good quality players in the Cornwall and whilst there are a few players that use it as a "warm up" for the start of the season and ahead of the County restricted the standard is quite high. I rather get the impression from DLP that he thinks it is a poor tournament in which I would strongly disagree and I daresay will most of the "regular" entrants from across the Country. A lot of hard work goes into organising and running this annual event and it is certainly not very encouraging to hear comments like that.



Dill - thanks for your entry form. Presumably the other guys who have said they intend entering will get their entry forms to me by the closing date????

Linda

[Dill]

Linda,

I'm sure DLP who is a regular at your tournament didi not mean it like that.

Each player has perspective based upon his level of play and assesses the playing level from that, if a national level player was to turn up at my club night he would roll about laughing watching us play whereas if I turned up to a national player coaching session I would almost certainly feel out of my depth although would join in irrespective of the assumed outcome.

As the Open is categorised as a level C ciruit then I would assume the standard is lower than the Challengers and Elite tours.

As for the hard work that goes in - I do not doubt you for a single minute and know what it takes to organise events and i'm sure we all respect you for what you are doing this year and in fact in previous years which make your event a success.

For any more proof,why is a Scot travelling 10 hours on a train to get two game in each day? Would I not have been better off saving my money and taking my kiddies session on the Saturday and my regular club nights on Sunday and Monday?

[Neil Nicholls]

Presumably the other guys who have said they intend entering will get their entry forms to me by the closing date????
Linda
Mine is on it's way, although it is in the hands of the Royal Mail whether it gets there on time or not.

[Dill]

Mine is on it's way, although it is in the hands of the Royal Mail whether it gets there on time or not.

Singles and doubles?

[Neil Nicholls]

Singles and doubles?
Singles only (grumble, grumble, 15 char limit)

[Dill]

Singles only (grumble, grumble, 15 char limit)

See you on the Saturday then, I hope the others are in for the singles!

[dlp]

Linda I apologise , I do not mean to give the impression that it is a poor tournament, more to encourage these players who are not sure if they are of high enough standard. Certainly compared with a "C" event like Oxford / Middlesex where you often get top 15 players and pairs the cornwall is somewhat easier but it is an excellent well run event and has the rare bonus of a plate event. If all the "C" events were like cornwall and offered plate events i am sure the tournament circuit would see much better entries.

[Neil Nicholls]

Presumably the other guys who have said they intend entering will get their entry forms to me by the closing date????
Linda

Did the Royal Mail get mine there on time?
I might be away on holiday when you send back the SAE

[Neil Nicholls]

I have begun my training regime by putting on a stone for good measure
Is that part of what you lost when you had toothache?
Or was that somebody else?

[Linda Collins]

Hi Neil,

Yes, your entry arrived safely today thank you. Would you prefer me to text you your anticipated start time once it has been ascertained instead of replying by post as you are likely to be on holiday?

[Dill]

Is that part of what you lost when you had toothache?
Or was that somebody else?

Well remembered, now instead of putting on weight I want to lose it again :(

Linda, did all the others enter?

[Dill]

Hi Neil,

Yes, your entry arrived safely today thank you. Would you prefer me to text you your anticipated start time once it has been ascertained instead of replying by post as you are likely to be on holiday?

Wow, what service. up here you get a letter the day before the bonanzas start telling you your application has been received :eek: kind of puts it in perspective :p

[Matt Ross]

Linda, did all the others enter?

Sadly, not me :(:(:(

[Neil Nicholls]

Hi Neil,
Yes, your entry arrived safely today thank you. Would you prefer me to text you your anticipated start time once it has been ascertained instead of replying by post as you are likely to be on holiday?

ooh, yes please.

[Dill]

Sadly, not me :(:(:(

You can make it up by getting me a huge signed glossy photo of Gail :D

Good luck for the Hearts this weekend, keep on truckin ;)

[Dill]

Steve; Sunny, are you guys still playing in the doubles or is Sunny out due to some nasty shin splint pain?

[Matt Ross]

As far as i know, Steve is still playing in the Cornwall...

I gotta go bed soon for Herts 2moz

[Dill]

Matt how did you get on? I know the field was a strong one this year with Raj winning in the singles.

Linda how is the draw progressing?

[dlp]

Yes having seen the herts results on badders it looks to have maintained its position as one of the stronger satellites, several england juniors, england fringe players.

64 mens singles (and I assume some turned away) but only 24 ladies singles!

[dlp]

This is another example of why we need grading of players...if people travelled a long way to play herts and got Ouseph, Tonks etc (full time funded players who play european circuit events ) in the first round it would surely discourage them from playing tournaments, the herts is a C event yet has top ten players in it.

[Matt Ross]

Men's Doubles field was fairly strong too.

Chris Tonks Played with Rob Adcock, then you had Andrew South turn up to play in the mixed.

Me? Went out first AGAIN, my serving was absolutely shocking to anyone who was there. Lost it 15-11 17-14.

Gonna rest now for a couple of weeks to make my knee better, it's in a right state at the moment.

[dlp]

Matt those are good competitive scores. It takes a couple of seasons for even the top england juniors to get used to playing adult events, do't be too down. Who did you play?

[Matt Ross]

dlp,

Cant remember names, however it was good just watching some of the games. Leah Tarry was there, good mixed player aswell as Higgins, Tonks etc, so some good games. Rayappan is a class mixed player, she played with South.

Gotta rest now, my knee is in a terrible state. I've got Iliotibial Band Syndrome, ever heard of it? Been biven stretches to do, stengthening exercises aswell as wearing a patella band day in day out. Be out for a while :(

[Dill]

Rest it well - remember what is at stake, if you get back too early you will not get the best results from the IBA. Don't make the mistake of starting back when you feel OK, wait it out. Add a bit of time onto what the doc or physio told you by a couple of weeks or so.

Better safe than sorry!!

Go on give us a brief description of what it is then :confused:

[Matt Ross]

It is a band that joins the top part of the leg to the lower part. Unfortunately, it has to run somewhere and the only place if the outer side of the knee.

If this becomes damaged or injured, it tightens and therefore pushes against the knee, causing it to rub and 'pop'. Stretches try to make that band longer and cause less rubbing. You cant run through it either, so training has to go on hold too :(

[kwun]

i had that before on my right knee. and putting on the patella strap really does help. after a while, it went away but also went with it was a lot of strength on my legs as i lowered my intensity due to the pain.

[Dill]

I'm sure Matt and Kwun know this already but for the rest of us:

http://www.csuchico.edu/phed/atc/Projects/ITband/ITBFS.html

http://www.drpribut.com/sports/spitb.html

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/02_00/fredericson.htm

http://www.thestretchinghandbook.com/archives/knee-pain.htm

http://www.time-to-run.com/injuries/thebig5/itb.htm

I love Google :cool:

[andymcg]

This is another example of why we need grading of players...if people travelled a long way to play herts and got Ouseph, Tonks etc (full time funded players who play european circuit events ) in the first round it would surely discourage them from playing tournaments, the herts is a C event yet has top ten players in it.

dlp - I could not agree more!

I'm helping out with one of the grading system pilot schemes starting this season. We're basing it on the French ranking system and throughout the season we are going to have tournaments targetted at specific grades. The county restricted for example will still be aimed at the top players in the county but there will also be tournaments aimed towards lower grades with higher graded players not allowed to compete. All league matches will also count towards the results. The use of the system should be ratified at our county AGM tonight. We are hopeful that we should see a significant increase in the number of people taking part in competitive play through the season.

We've graded and ranked everybody in the Northumberland league over the last 2 seasons to get an idea of how the system works. You can find out more at:

http://www.northumberlandba.abelgratis.co.uk/gradingsystem.htm

The individual rankings for each discipline are under "Latest Grading Individuals". Unfortunately, the singles rankings are a bit meaningless at the moment as they are based on very few matches. This is also something we are hoping to address throughout the season.

[Dill]

Well done Andy for taking that step!!

Hope others can do the groundwork for simillar grading even though it is a long term thing.

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Kent are trying it to this season, then the BA will review it and see whether it is worth using it in all counties. Seems weird to me, so even local league games count towards your grade?

[Dill]

The way I see it is the more games people play the better the system since the averaging procedure has more references than a person playing a few games and getting a good rank.

If it averages out over more games it's a more realistic system to grade players, in saying that it puts more pressure on the player to perform well in all games and if there are many games losing the odd one or two would not affect your rank as much as it would under the current system where only selected competitions are eligable.

Like most things change takes a while to filter into the mainstream and be accepted.

[andymcg]

The system was indeed ratified last night, and the presentation seemed to go down very well. Most club representatives seemed very positive about it. Now lets hope we get a good response to our new graded tournaments! :D

Dill - Unfortunately I can't take any credit for starting it. One of my friends in my club is from France and he got very disillusioned with tournaments in the county at present, so he took a proposal to the NBA. I'm just providing technical help. :)

Matt - if this or a similar system was to be used at national level then I'm not sure we would use local league results. Most of the results would come from tournaments. But because in this system you score points based on the grades of the people you beat there's no reason why it couldn't be done. Indeed one thing I think the BAofE are interested in is awarding points based on county match performances, which isn't possible with the current system. We are just using local stuff as it provides more data for us to work with, and it helps to smooth things out. One of the problems we had at the beginning was working out how to grade each player - so we used league divisions as a simplified starting point. And the 2 years of results we've entered has helped to remove any obvious errors.

To make this work on a national level though we would need LOADS more tournaments! For example this season we are looking to run 10+ local tournaments compared to 2 in recent years.

[dlp]

The baofe recently had a questionnaire about using grades on the site, I completed it.

Lets say there are 250 players who might play in a mens singles or doubles event at an open during a year. Surely if the events are a,b,c, having a player like Ouseph (who probably ranks 5 in country) playing in a C event is nonsense. If the no,. 250 player gets him first round and doesn't get a shuttle back will he play another open?

Cornwall is a good tournament because you don't get top 10 players and there is a plate which is a huge incentive to play for new players.

[Neil Nicholls]

The baofe recently had a questionnaire about using grades on the site, I completed it.

The August issue of the BAofE's magazine, Badminton, says that the questionnaire has been circulated to all club and league secretaries. And that the questionnaire is available online until September 1st.

I didn't get the magazine until after September 1st. :mad:

[Dill]

Dill - Unfortunately I can't take any credit for starting it. One of my friends in my club is from France and he got very disillusioned with tournaments in the county at present, so he took a proposal to the NBA. I'm just providing technical help. :)

You're involved!!

Good work by the Frenchman and Andy ;)

The French chappie wouldn't happen to be the one who has his own website and has been banging on about this grading system because it works in France is he?

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Hows the training for the Cornwall going mate?

[andymcg]

You're involved!!

Good work by the Frenchman and Andy ;)

The French chappie wouldn't happen to be the one who has his own website and has been banging on about this grading system because it works in France is he?


:D No he isn't Dill.....he came across here to go to uni, stayed on, and has now got married and settled here. He was just getting very frustrated at the lack of opportunities for competitive play if you're not in the county squad.

So far it seems loads of people are interested, and everybody wants to know where they have ranked, and how they are graded. We just need to keep this interest going until we can have our first tournaments now.

[Dill]

Dill,

Hows the training for the Cornwall going mate?

Erm :o :o

I've just been playing games and not doing any actual training (even more :o )

Work has kind of got in the way and the standard in the clubs I play in is very mixed which is doing me no favours at all :mad: It is very difficult to try and focus on a game when it is too easy, I have been letting people get points off me (about 10) to try and give me an added incentive to play well and push.

I will try and push a bit this week now I have a bit more time but the mixed levels of the games is doing me nothing but harm.


:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Oh i see, well, chin up mate! Do you know who your partner is?

I've only played twice this week because of my knee. No fitness work apart from a ride on the bike to help my knee. Seems to be almost gone now tho, little sore when i start jumpin.

[Dill]

Dill,

Oh i see, well, chin up mate! Do you know who your partner is?

I've only played twice this week because of my knee. No fitness work apart from a ride on the bike to help my knee. Seems to be almost gone now tho, little sore when i start jumpin.

Doubles with William Nicoll of Somerset, I'm sure Linda said he was division 2, still a bit above my level I'm afraid.

The good thing is I got an e-mail about the draw and I avoid a seeded player in the first round :cool:

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

Who are the number one seeds?

[Dill]

Dill,

Who are the number one seeds?

I'm still waiting for the draws to be posted, it should be on Badders this week.

[kwun]

PRIZE FUND ATTRACTS BIG ENTRY FOR DUCHY OPEN

South Devon Herald Express

11:00 - 11 September 2004 Paignton's Tim Willis and Ashley Thilthorpe (Avon) have been seeded to retain their men's doubles title the 2004 Duchy Open at the Carn Brea Leisure Centre in Redruth.

Now recognised as the premier Open in the West Country, with more than £1,000 in prize money, tournament official John Tresidder reports a big entry for the two-day event.

"We have a bumper entry of more than100 players set to send the shuttles flying high next weekend," said this great badminton enthusiast.

"We will have an excellent spread of player's from all-around the UK including one competitor from overseas and eleven from Cornwall."

Devon official David Burgess is not available as referee and Ian Spear takes over for one year with Barnstaple's Burgess returning for the 2005 tournament.

The only other Devon player to warrant a seeding is former Paignton player Mark Trebble (Exeter), who is expected to reach the quarter-finals of the men's singles. Top seed is Simon White (Leics) with Warwickshire's Chris Deakin at two.

Hampshire's Jo Dix is favourite to lift the ladies' singles ahead of Caroline Simpson (Glos) as well as the doubles with county team-mate Sarah Burgess.

Willis and Ashley Thilthorpe are tipped to meet second favourites Joe Morgan and James Phillips (West Glamorgan) in the men's final.

Main sponsors of the 22nd Duchy Open are Tag Sports (Newton Abbot), Yonex UK and Badders.com.

Seedings.

Ladies' singles: 1 Jo Dix (Hants). 2 Caroline Simpson (Glos).

Men's singles: 1 Simon White (Leics). 2 Chris Dakin (Warks). ?: James White (Leics). Chris Shepperd (Hants). 5/8: Mark Trebble (Devon). Carl Baxter (Avon). George Bevan (Avon). Paul Le Tocq (Guernsey).

Ladies' doubles: 1 Jo Dix & Sarah Burgess (Hants). 2 Jo Sullivan (Glos) & Kerry Ann Shepperd (Avon).

Men's doubles: 1 Tim Willis (Devon) & Ashley Thilthorpe (Avon). 2 Joe Morgan & James Phillips (West Glamorgan). ?: Adam Smith & Chris Evans (Hants). Simon White & James White (Leics).

Mixed doubles. Groups favourites: Mike Haywood & Rebecca Pantaney (Glos). Chris Evans & Sarah Burgess (Hants). Adam Smith (Avon) & Alexis Broad (Hants). James Philips (West Glam) & Jo Sullivan (Glos). Ben Peterson & Caroline Simpson (Glos). Paul Le Tocq (Guernsey) & Kerry Ann Shepperd (Avon).

[dlp]

The rules used by seeding commitees at opens remain a mystery, for instance in mens singles carl baxter is ranked no.15, only neil white is ranked higher, yet dakin, sheppard and james white are all seeded above him. So clearly it is past performance at cornwall, not rankings which are used.

But then if you look at mens doubles a player who won in 2002 and runner up last year, playing with a semifinalist from last year isnt seeded, with the same pairs playing as last year. :confused:

[Matt Ross]

The number one seeds seem quite sure to take it again, as Ash is a good player.

If you do get drawn against a seed, go out to win not to lose, as with those seeds you have a fighting chance.

[dlp]

Baxter was seeded 8 at the elite open last weekend (he narrowly lost to rice in 3 in qtrs), and Neil White wasn't seeded, yet at cornwall white is seeded 1 and baxter is only 5/8 seed. Consistent?

At the Elite Ouseph lost to ghaffar in the final, possibly only 2 players were absent Kidd, Smith who could have beaten ouseph, yet he was playing a satelite event the previous week!

[Dill]

Hey wait a minute!

Why am I not seeded :rolleyes: (sorry forgot I am crap for a nanosecond)

Seedings mean nothing except you get a supposedly easy/easier draw in the first two or so rounds, you might even get a bye. Other than that I think Linda and the comittee have seeded based on the competition they are playing in and not national competitions, or the UK ranking system which seems fair as it lets you know roughly how far those who are playing have progressed in past tournaments and lets you know who to gun for.

Me, I'm still looking forward to playing in the plate :D

[Linda Collins]

Awwwwwww Dill, I am sure you will do well - in fact who knows .... you may surprise everybody - even yourself!!!.:)

For those who are analysing the seeds........ It is in fact Simon White who is seeded no. 1 (defending champion) and not Neil White as somebody has mentioned.

DLP - It is not necessarily past performances that we use when seeding... We DO take all the information (including rankings from the internet) that players give us in reaching our decisions - usually after very lengthy deliberations.

Linda

[Dill]

Awwwwwww Dill, I am sure you will do well - in fact who knows .... you may surprise everybody - even yourself!!!.:)

Doubt it, did you see the way I played tonight? (in case you missed - VERY BAD)


DLP - It is not necessarily past performances that we use when seeding... We DO take all the information (including rankings from the internet) that players give us in reaching our decisions - usually after very lengthy deliberations.

Dammit, I should have fibbed and got a good draw :crying: :D

[dlp]

My mistake the no.1 seed is of course Simon, not Neil White, Simon is ranked at 33.

So the seeds and their rankings

1 Simon WHite 33
2 Dakin 72
3 /4 James White 41
Chris Sheppard ? (not in top100)
5/8 Baxter 15
Trebble 54
Bevan 65
Paul Le Tocq 24

Seems strange that Baxter at 15 would not get a top 4 seeding, why do we have rankings if they are not used for anything :) I can understand if a former top 10 player like Ian Sullivan plays or even Sheppard to some extent if they don't have a high current ranking but to go against the rankings in general seems strange? If the players play the way they did at the elite last weekend I would expect Baxter to win. :)

[Dill]

Players at the elite also playing in this, one must ask why? :confused:

[Matt Ross]

Ranking points?

Not too sure, just to get back to the feel of things i spose, and also cornwall is a nice break :D

Dill, will you be entering any more sats this season?

[Dill]

Ranking points?

Not too sure, just to get back to the feel of things i spose, and also cornwall is a nice break :D

Dill, will you be entering any more sats this season?

I thought the ranking points are minimal and also respective that the Duchy is a "C" grade tournament so the points are lower than the challengers and also in turn would be lower than the elites.

Must just be because it's pre-season training, and the scenery.

More Sats? Maybe, if I can get my fat ass in gear.

[UkPlayer]

I thought the ranking points are minimal and also respective that the Duchy is a "C" grade tournament so the points are lower than the challengers and also in turn would be lower than the elites.

Must just be because it's pre-season training, and the scenery.

More Sats? Maybe, if I can get my fat ass in gear.

ranking points are lower, but you will get some.

[dlp]

There are usually 5 challengers, 2 elite plus nationals in a season. The minimum number of events to divide the cumulative score by for ranking is 8. If you play 10 or 9 events by that number and more than 10 your best ten count. Whilst the challengers and elite offer prortionately higher points it is only those players around the top five who are likely to have an average so high that winning a C event would lower their score, for most players they are likely to get some poor draws if they play the top 8 events and go out first round, in such cases winning some opens will boost their score.

I advocate a graded system where at all the goegraphically central events that are currently challengers and satelites 2 separate grades are played on the same day, giving a more level standard and eliminating the possibly of A players entering C events. It is a system that has worked well for years in juniors.

Example a draw of 64 mens singles requires 63 matches over 6 rounds, in 2 graded draws of 32 only 62 matches are played over 5 rounds.

[Dill]

There are usually 5 challengers, 2 elite plus nationals in a season. The minimum number of events to divide the cumulative score by for ranking is 8. If you play 10 or 9 events by that number and more than 10 your best ten count. Whilst the challengers and elite offer prortionately higher points it is only those players around the top five who are likely to have an average so high that winning a C event would lower their score, for most players they are likely to get some poor draws if they play the top 8 events and go out first round, in such cases winning some opens will boost their score.

I advocate a graded system where at all the goegraphically central events that are currently challengers and satelites 2 separate grades are played on the same day, giving a more level standard and eliminating the possibly of A players entering C events. It is a system that has worked well for years in juniors.

Example a draw of 64 mens singles requires 63 matches over 6 rounds, in 2 graded draws of 32 only 62 matches are played over 5 rounds.


Sounds good to me, an example of "horses for courses" as one of my old boss' used to say.

Ah, there are much more Sats in a season than Challengers, I thought the Challengers were run the same way whereas they both occurred on the same day and the same amounts were run throughout the season. Now it all makes sense :(

What is the points system comparitivley for the Elite, Challengers and Sats?

[jamesd20]

There is surely a fundamental problem in that there are only two "elite" level tournaments, when in order to attain an "Elite" level ranking you would have to enter at least 8 tournaments.

If the Challenger tournaments are meant to be for people challenging the elite players, then this should obviousley include the Elite players, so the middle tier can challenge the elite players. The elite players however shouldnt be allowed to enter the satelite tournaments however.


Problems occur in that we dont have enough elite players, and the elite players we have dont wish to travel to events around the country then the type of people the satelite tournaments hope to attract (middle to higher local league players) are generall disinterested in travelling many miles to a tournament,pay for accomadation, entry fee, travel expenses, and other expenses(possibly over 100GBP) just for a weekend. Then the challenger players and the lower elite players are left to fill the gaps in each of the respective tournaments, creating unbalanced draws.

[Dill]

Problems occur in that we dont have enough elite players, and the elite players we have dont wish to travel to events around the country then the type of people the satelite tournaments hope to attract (middle to higher local league players) are generall disinterested in travelling many miles to a tournament,pay for accomadation, entry fee, travel expenses, and other expenses(possibly over 100GBP) just for a weekend. Then the challenger players and the lower elite players are left to fill the gaps in each of the respective tournaments, creating unbalanced draws.

Every competition has unbalanced draws, and it costs a lot more than £100. Now I know how the unfunded players feel.

Oh well at least the weather is going to be good!!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=3735

[jamesd20]

Every competition has unbalanced draws, and it costs a lot more than £100.


Obviousley otherwise there wouldnt be a winner! I meant grossley unbalanced draws (IE a competition with a national player and tournament first timers)

I was being conservative with the money figure, I think twice that would be nearer the mark for a lot of places. :crying:

Good luck anyway!! :)

[Dill]

Obviousley otherwise there wouldnt be a winner! I meant grossley unbalanced draws (IE a competition with a national player and tournament first timers)

I was being conservative with the money figure, I think twice that would be nearer the mark for a lot of places. :crying:

Good luck anyway!! :)

That kind of draw is extreme but not far off the mark in many competitions, that's the bad thing about seeding, I think everyone should be put in a draw irrespective of who you are, if you are good enough you'll win regardless.

I think twice that would be conservative as well :crying:

[dlp]

You see the value of seeding at the nationals when a 1 or 2 seed pulls out injured at the last minute, a low player gets through to the semis and instead of a good match you get a whitewash in the semi and one player gets an easy ride to the final. I remember one nationals where about 3 seeds were out injured in one half of the draw and a fairly low player got to the final only to be thrashed in minutes.

[Neil Nicholls]

I knew having a weeks holiday in Cornwall before the event wouldn't be good for my game. Too many pasties, and too much lager, and not touching a racquet for 10 days makes you lose your touch. It did for me, anyway.

Lost in the first round 0-15, 15-12, 9-15 after a 65 minute struggle.

[Matt Ross]

Neil,

How did skates, dill and sunny get on?

Matt

[Neil Nicholls]

Dnno about skates and sunny, I was only there for the singles.
Dill also lost in the first round.
I don't know how he got on in the plate, I didn't hang around for that.

[Matt Ross]

Any of you draw the seeds?

I suppose Carl Baxter won the singles.

[Neil Nicholls]

No. Dunno.

[wood_22_chuck]

If possible, post some pics! And I'll admit, I haven't checked the previous pages :)

-dave

[Linda Collins]

Yes, Matt was correct - Carl Baxter DID win - he beat Chris Shepperd of Hants. 15/7 15/2.

Mens Doubles Winners - Joe Morgan and James Phillips of Glamorgan beat the defending Champions Tim Willis and Ashley Thilthorpe 15/9 12/15 17/15.

Had Neil (Nicholls) stuck around and waited for the start of the plate event he may have done well, but unfortunately after calling him to the court three times it had been suggested that he had left us.

Phil I think enjoyed the weekend - although he is probably on the train back home now but I am sure he will have a few comments (all positive I hope) aboiut the event.

The whole weekend was voted an overwhelming success by us the organisers with particular "job satisfaction" with an excellent entry of 49 competitors in the Mens Singles.

[jamesd20]

As Wood chuck says, any pictures will be great. Also any erport on some of the games, etc... will be well appreciated.

Neil cheer up, at least you got a holiday. :)
(the vids will be coming soon, I have had to leave to country out of safety :D you know what I mean! sorry :o )

[Linda Collins]

I will ask our Publicity Officer to submit his official report to this site as well as to our main sponsors site badders.com


Good to note there is a lot of interest in our Tournament on this site and I very much hope that there will be interest enough for players to enter next year's event.

Linda

[Neil Nicholls]

unfortunately after calling him to the court three times it had been suggested that he had left us.
I did originally say I would play in the plate, but when an official told me the estimated start time, I told the official that I would not be taking part.

Many thanks to all of you for the time and effort put into running the event.

Neil

[Linda Collins]

Thanks for your compliment Neil - it is always good to hear comments that like. We hope you enjoyed the event and look forward to seeing you again next year.


Linda

[UkPlayer]

I knew having a weeks holiday in Cornwall before the event wouldn't be good for my game. Too many pasties, and too much lager, and not touching a racquet for 10 days makes you lose your touch. It did for me, anyway.

Lost in the first round 0-15, 15-12, 9-15 after a 65 minute struggle.

good comeback though after losing the first down to 0 !!!! :eek:

[Neil Nicholls]

good comeback though after losing the first down to 0 !!!! :eek:

I'm usually a slow starter. More so against people I've never played before.
But there's more to it than that.
I hadn't played for a while and my timing was off for a fair bit of game 1.
There was a good end and a bad end, and I started at the bad end.
Behind my opponent was a huge white net dividing the hall.

When we changed ends in the final set and I moved to the good end, I was 5-8 down and thought I had a good chance to win, but my tired old body couldn't keep up :rolleyes:

Next time. Anyone know the closing date for the Oxford?

[Dill]

I'll tell you what, that man Nichols is dedicated and played a blinder!!! Coming in to play on the last day of his holiday and he played a very long game, 65 minutes seemed longer to me, when he came off he was going to play in the plate but he was told about 20 minuted later it would not be starting for a good while and couldn't spare the time.

At least Neil and I showed up, there was no sign of Sonny and Skates :(

It was a good game and Neil got stuck right in, if only I could have done the same :( I lost 15-0 and 15-2 in the first and 15-3 15-6 in the plate of the singles.

As for the doubles a big shout out has to go to Will Nicholls of Somerset who carried me through 2 games and we were getting there in the end having lost 15-3, 15-6/7 in the first round and then losing 15-6, 15-12 in the plate.

The organisation was first class with the table calling matches out just as the previous ones were finished and the court still warm, sometimes I've seen courts left empty for 20-30 minutes before games are called.

If you want feedback Linda I'll send you an e-mail.

And having said that, I'm off for a game of badminton with only 2 hours sleep in the last 2 days :crying:

[sunny]

Guys,

I apologise for the long silence and such a long delayed response to queries in this thread. For the last two months I've been very busy working on projects in my day job and my evening and weekend job. As some of you guys might already be aware Lee Jae Bok recently launched www.ibbs.tv website and I'm the developer for the website working during the evening and weekend for the last two months. When you guys have a moment please visit www.ibbs.tv



At least Neil and I showed up, there was no sign of Sonny and Skates :(


Dill,

Skates was really up for it but I couldn't turn up due to my work load and back to back injuries. I was suffering from shin splints and still waiting to meet a specialist (good old NHS gave me an appointment to meet a specialist sometime after 18 weeks which is somewhere early 2005) and I have been suffering from shoulder injuries as well. On top of this I've been working on IBBS.TV website.

I'm still reading through this post and it seems like it was hard day out in cornwall but good fun all around.

Have you played any other Satellites since then?




I knew having a weeks holiday in Cornwall before the event wouldn't be good for my game. Too many pasties, and too much lager, and not touching a racquet for 10 days makes you lose your touch. It did for me, anyway.

Lost in the first round 0-15, 15-12, 9-15 after a 65 minute struggle.



Neil, That is really a good comeback. Lost 0-15 and you came back to take the second set 15-12 that is really something.

You guys were travelled long way and played a brave game but me...giving excuses talking about website, injury blah blah :( very depressing isn't?

[Neil Nicholls]

Have you played any other Satellites since then?
nope, just the County Restricted
I've entered the Northumberland (23rd Oct) but haven't had a reply yet.
(there's another thread for the Northumberland, but it's a bit quiet)