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muscle

07-22-2004, 10:15 AM

Help please could someone tell me about armortec 800 & 900, i heard that both were made in taiwan :confused:

Aerotus

07-22-2004, 10:33 AM

There is yet to be an armortec 900 as far as I know. And I believe all Armortec 800, both the defensive and offensive models, are made in Japan, provided that they are authentic.;)

LazyBuddy

07-22-2004, 12:15 PM

AT 900 is definitely a fake. You can use the "search" to find the thread(s), which including some close up pic.

At800 is made in Japan, as well as other high end Yonex models. If someone come to u, offering unbelieveable low price, and claim his/her AT800 is from TW. That's fake for sure.

Wizbit

07-22-2004, 09:11 PM

But an AT800 with TW code does not mean it is fake either? can you get AT800 with TW code?

kwun

07-22-2004, 09:13 PM

TW is only the distribution code, not where they are made.

there are genuine Yonex AT800 with TW code, they are still made in Japan.

Wizbit

07-22-2004, 09:23 PM

That is what I mean. Someone not in the know could confuse these distribution codes. A lot of people in my club often do! Someone thought a cab20sp meant cab 20 SPECIAL PERFORMANCE :rolleyes:

Of course they could be right, let them laugh in my face

bluejeff

07-22-2004, 10:24 PM

But an AT800 with TW code does not mean it is fake either? can you get AT800 with TW code?
Yes, Taiwan has AT-800, and thus, the country code is "TW" and it is still made in Japan.

LazyBuddy

07-23-2004, 01:24 PM

That is what I mean. Someone not in the know could confuse these distribution codes.

Well, it's very cleared printed on the shaft, "Made in Japan". If ppl just don't look at it, and always think the distribution code is "where it's made"... No help... :eek:

nolem

08-08-2004, 07:07 AM

Yes, Taiwan has AT-800, and thus, the country code is "TW" and it is still made in Japan.

hi, im just a new member here. i recently got an AT- 800 DE TW and my friend got an AT - 800 JP one. if they're both made in japan why is it that may AT- 800 TW lacks the logo of "PBSI" and the JP one has?

nolem

08-08-2004, 07:15 AM

bluejeff

08-08-2004, 11:07 AM

hi, im just a new member here. i recently got an AT- 800 DE TW and my friend got an AT - 800 JP one. if they're both made in japan why is it that may AT- 800 TW lacks the logo of "PBSI" and the JP one has?
TW is not in PBSI and that's why, and I am surprised that your friend's JP racket has the PBSI because I don't think Japan is in PBSI as well.

TW rackets are running from Yonex-JP directly, so they should be the same as the JP rackets except the country codes. I have seen many JP rackets before, and I don't remember if there is a PBSI logo on them. I wonder if your friend's racket is not a genuine one?

jez7375

08-08-2004, 10:01 PM

bluejeff

08-08-2004, 10:10 PM

PBSI should stand for Indonesian badminton federation or something along those lines doesn't it? That's what i always thought. So yonex carying that logo is endorsed by the Indonesian Federation.....

correct me if i am wrong though...http://www.badmintonforum.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.badmintonforum.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Yes, PBSI means Indonesian Badminton Association something...., but Taiwan is not in that region, nor is Japan, so Both Japan and Taiwan racquets should not have PBSI logo on them. I have never seen any TW rackets have PBSI logos on them in my life so far, except the fakes. :rolleyes:

henrileconte

08-09-2004, 05:47 AM

PBSI logo is almost always a fake one. Mostly they are made in China and they look more or less the same as the original Yonex (difficult to see a colour difference), but sometimes Yonex China as we will call the fabrics over there that are making illegal copies to make some money bring out "new" yonex models. Some years back I saw a lot of orangy Muscly Power 200, the 007 (james bond like...) Our old chinese coach went to China often and brought back the China stuff. Always endorsed with the PBSI sign. I have never, never ever seen a real Yonex racket with PBSI, I am sorry. A girl I know very well has been given a racket (99) by Taufik, one of his own, but there wasn't a PBSI sign, nor SP (nearly always fake, sometimes, old models continued in Taiwan) and he is playing for the federation of indonesia. So I am sorry, but they are fake rackets and you buy them in China for less than 10 dollars sometimes. Although there exist better quality copies. That won't say that they can't play very nice / good or whatever. It is the player that makes the racket!

kwun

08-09-2004, 12:52 PM

sorry. that's is not true. in HK, all genuine Yonex rackets from every legitimate stores have the PBSI logo on it. i doubt you can find one without it.

that has been the case for many years now.

rvfb

08-13-2004, 04:21 AM

bluejeff

08-13-2004, 10:05 AM

I have many original Yonex rackets without the PBSI logo and I also have encountered many bearing them, oftentimes fakes as Henrileconte claims. If Kwun is right, what is the real deal about rackets bearing this PBSI logo? Are they real, fakes or some real and some fake? My AT800 TW, Of & Df doesn't have any while my MP100 SP has. :confused:
In case you didn't read my previous post, I am going to say it again, there is no TW racquets having the PBSI logo. Why? Because Taiwan is not in PBSI, so TW racquets don't have to take PBSI's logo.

SP racquets are different, they are in PBSI. WHY? because Sunrise (the distributor) is having some kind of connection to PBSI, so they can use PBSI logo on the racquets. This including HK, SP, IP......etc.

Chiku

09-02-2004, 03:11 AM

In case you didn't read my previous post, I am going to say it again, there is no TW racquets having the PBSI logo. Why? Because Taiwan is not in PBSI, so TW racquets don't have to take PBSI's logo.

SP racquets are different, they are in PBSI. WHY? because Sunrise (the distributor) is having some kind of connection to PBSI, so they can use PBSI logo on the racquets. This including HK, SP, IP......etc.

Hi.. i'm new member from Malaysia... i wanna explain that "PBSI" stand for "Persatuan BuluTangkis Seluruh Indonesia".. Can some body explain to me how to compare the genuine AT 800 and the non-genuine one... I've one AT 800 offensive but my friend said that one is not genuine because no serial no on my shaft... but mine have PBSI logo...

jamesshieh88

09-02-2004, 03:18 AM

Hi.. i'm new member from Malaysia... i wanna explain that "PBSI" stand for "Persatuan BuluTangkis Seluruh Indonesia".. Can some body explain to me how to compare the genuine AT 800 and the non-genuine one... I've one AT 800 offensive but my friend said that one is not genuine because no serial no on my shaft... but mine have PBSI logo...
yonex engraves a serial number on all of their rackets. visit http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16174&highlight=fake+800 for more info on fake armortec 800

Cricket

09-03-2004, 12:38 AM

bluejeff

09-03-2004, 01:33 AM

Hey all, since this thread is wondering about AT800's, I guess I'll just ask my question here.

(Don't think it's been discussed)

I have two authentic AT800DEs. I compared them a week ago and found out that one of them is slightly longer than the other one, longer by the heigh of the frame, ie ~1-2mm. I'm pretty sure they're both real, but how is the difference explained? Bad QC???? I hope not. My stringer said that maybe it's the difference in tensions between the crosses and the mains. I had this racquet strung in TW at the shop I bought it and the stringer said that he doesn't change the tensions between cross and mains. Going by his word, tension can't be the reason. Does anybody have an idea???

No, The stringer is wrong, he should changed the tension between the main and cross unless if he knows what he is doing.

Racquet's shape changed based on the stringer's skills. Let's see, if you unstrung both racquets, are they the same? or now, you can measure both of them, and see if the width at the frame are the same. If the longer one has a smaller width, then I can pretty much tell you it's the stringer's problem unless it is a bad batch (very rarely, compares to human error at stringing)

Many shops in Taiwan still don't know what they are doing. So, please don't take every word from the shop, and try to find out yourself is the only way to go :)

(Yeah, stick with BF here will do it :D:D)

jug8man

09-03-2004, 02:43 AM

No, The stringer is wrong, he should changed the tension between the main and cross unless if he knows what he is doing.

Racquet's shape changed based on the stringer's skills. Let's see, if you unstrung both racquets, are they the same? or now, you can measure both of them, and see if the width at the frame are the same. If the longer one has a smaller width, then I can pretty much tell you it's the stringer's problem unless it is a bad batch (very rarely, compares to human error at stringing)

Many shops in Taiwan still don't know what they are doing. So, please don't take every word from the shop, and try to find out yourself is the only way to go :)

(Yeah, stick with BF here will do it :D:D)

not neccesarily the tension diff between mains and crosses. some stringers have a habit of 'stretching' the frames when securing them on the machine. and normally for these individuals there are no real measurement done so it causes inconsistency in the length of the frame even tho by same stringer and same model racquet.

not neccesarily a problem unless over done. should still play alright but feel may vary slightly (depends on your sensitivity) between the two racquets.

cheers

kwun

09-03-2004, 02:50 AM

and frankly, a 1-2mm difference is so small, i wouldn't worry about it.

Cricket

09-03-2004, 11:01 AM

Well, I never paid any attention to the width of the frame because I trusted what the stringer said and upon closer inspection, the longer frame is narrower as well. Curse that stringer to hell.......

gsone10

10-31-2004, 04:28 PM

The Genuine YONEX racquets are always Made In Japan, but There are many Distributor Codes & Special Codes in the shaft & Cone grips. Whatever YONEX racquets have different Codes, anyway They are YONEX brand & off course Made In Japan.
These are many Genuine YONEX Sample codes for every Countries:
JP, SP, SP/PBSI ( United of Badminton National of Indonesian - this is just a sticker ), CH, TH, US, CN, and many others!!! GENUINE!
But most of All, We can see & know the differences between Real Genuine YONEX & FAKE ones are from :

GENUINE YONEX racquets:
- Serial Number with LASER PRINT PRESS/ engraved in the Shaft & Cone grips ; mostly 7 Number in the shaft & 8 Number in the Cone
- YONEX LOGO in the Grip hands
- Strong Constructions & Patent
- Badminton Stores Legally sell all of Badminton equipments & Comparable
- Nice Colors, Frame looks & length as same as the Original ones & Comparable between

FAKE YONEX racquets :
- NO LASER PRINT PRESS/ engraved in the Shaft & Cone Grips!! the NUMBER is from INK/ PAINT PRINT as same as whole body of the racquet color.
- Looks Suspecious Colors & Frame, Can be Smell from Phisycal condition
- The Length is Shorter like OLD standard racquet
- NO YONEX LOGO in the replacement grips & Grip plastic cover- FAKE!!

But I think In the last 2-4 years, there is or are some other factories company produce FAKE YONEX racquets. I found a FAKE YONEX AT-800 that I bought from eBay. I saw, looks & smell that racquet is Totally different!! ASAP..
I reported to YONEX BRAND Company & FAKE Yonex Company can be Sue!!That's Criminal !!

gsone10

Hi.. i'm new member from Malaysia... i wanna explain that "PBSI" stand for "Persatuan BuluTangkis Seluruh Indonesia".. Can some body explain to me how to compare the genuine AT 800 and the non-genuine one... I've one AT 800 offensive but my friend said that one is not genuine because no serial no on my shaft... but mine have PBSI logo...

bluejeff

10-31-2004, 05:26 PM

The Genuine YONEX racquets are always Made In Japan, but There are many Distributor Codes & Special Codes in the shaft & Cone grips. Whatever YONEX racquets have different Codes, anyway They are YONEX brand & off course Made In Japan.
I think you have gone too far :rolleyes:

Take a guess where MP22 is made from? It's made in Taiwan, and not to mention other rackets (more than 10 current models of rackets are made in Taiwan)

Also, some new rackets are now actually made in China and Yes, that's genuine because Yonex started that recently. You can go get a Yonex newest catalog and you will see Yonex started to state the place of the manufacture at each of the racket description. Choices are: Japan, Taiwan, and China.

GENUINE YONEX racquets:
- Serial Number with LASER PRINT PRESS/ engraved in the Shaft & Cone grips ; mostly 7 Number in the shaft & 8 Number in the Cone
- YONEX LOGO in the Grip hands
- Strong Constructions & Patent
- Badminton Stores Legally sell all of Badminton equipments & Comparable
- Nice Colors, Frame looks & length as same as the Original ones & Comparable between

Careful, that's only true for rackets manufactured after 2000. Many people (including myself) are still buying old series of rackets and they are in the old format of codes.

kwun

10-31-2004, 07:07 PM

gsome,

while the information you had was true a couple of years ago, it is unfortunately outdated today.

Yonex like many other manufacturers have shifted their racket production to cheaper countries like Taiwan and China. you will find lower end rackets having a designation "Designed in Japan", but made in Taiwan. recently, Yonex opened up a new factory in China and we are starting to see low end rackets coming from this factory.

- NO LASER PRINT PRESS/ engraved in the Shaft & Cone Grips!! the NUMBER is from INK/ PAINT PRINT as same as whole body of the racquet color.
- Looks Suspecious Colors & Frame, Can be Smell from Phisycal condition
- The Length is Shorter like OLD standard racquet
- NO YONEX LOGO in the replacement grips & Grip plastic cover- FAKE!!

again, while Yonex is making progress with new rackets, fake manufacturers are making progress in imitating Yonex rackets. a year or two ago the information you provided was sufficient to identify a fake, nowadays fakes are very well made and won't be able to identified with such simple cues. we have seen some very well made fakes which would easily pass your tests!

the best way is to do a side-by-side comparison.

W Norman

11-13-2007, 03:37 AM

Yup ! , i'am agree with Kwun , i had already see a very good fake one .. it so difficult to tell it fake just by a bare eyes . How i know ! ..just that guy who own that thing , honestly told me its Fake ! .. bought at very low price for the high end model . yup.. that thing came from China..

YinLoung

11-13-2007, 08:26 AM

Smichz

11-13-2007, 09:08 AM

GENUINE YONEX racquets:
- Serial Number with LASER PRINT PRESS/ engraved in the Shaft & Cone grips ; mostly 7 Number in the shaft & 8 Number in the Cone
- YONEX LOGO in the Grip hands
- Strong Constructions & Patent
- Badminton Stores Legally sell all of Badminton equipments & Comparable
- Nice Colors, Frame looks & length as same as the Original ones & Comparable between

FAKE YONEX racquets :
- NO LASER PRINT PRESS/ engraved in the Shaft & Cone Grips!! the NUMBER is from INK/ PAINT PRINT as same as whole body of the racquet color.
- Looks Suspecious Colors & Frame, Can be Smell from Phisycal condition
- The Length is Shorter like OLD standard racquet
- NO YONEX LOGO in the replacement grips & Grip plastic cover- FAKE!!

But I think In the last 2-4 years, there is or are some other factories company produce FAKE YONEX racquets. I found a FAKE YONEX AT-800 that I bought from eBay. I saw, looks & smell that racquet is Totally different!! ASAP..
I reported to YONEX BRAND Company & FAKE Yonex Company can be Sue!!That's Criminal !!

gsone10

I'm not supporting for the fakes,but this is my own idea.

Well..i am not sure that yonex can really sue those company.How about small companies like,i dont know..i've seen too many,like bonny,leada,basha,apacs,etc..copying yy rackets.The same colour,the same model,but different brand name.In law,we can call that copy infringement,but nothing happend.R they paying some amount of money to yonex for that,i dont think so.I live in china,n i saw lots of fake nikes,adidas,yonex,And1,kason,etc in all over the country..n i was once asked the seller,wont they get caught for this.They say,well..sometimes the police will do something about it,but no big deal.Why?Because the market demand is so high,since it's cheap n acceptable for most ppl,n one more thing,it's for sport,for ppl's health.It's almost the same throughout asia,because their life standard is lower than europe,or america.

And,what makes the fakes penetrated europe n america,is that because there are also demands from them..ppl who wanna pay for the look,not the quality.In badminton for example:most of ppl knows yonex,n wanna have a yonex racket,but they're too expensive.This might be an alternative for them.But this also be a threat for us,if we wanna buy a yy racket,we'll be afraid of getting a fake one.That's why,dont be too easily attracted by the cheap price.Ppl should know the real yy racket prices before they decide to buy one.Like for example:Real yy NS9000 should costs u around $200,n there's someone on ebay who sell the same NS9000 for about $50.He told u it was a black market stuff,or different country code,so it's much cheaper.Hehe..by this,u should already knew clearly that there's something wrong,n think twice b4 u decide to buy it.FYI,a fake in china only costs less than $15,plus u got an original BG65.Hehe..u should be smart enough for not buying one.

Ok..some more infos about how to differentiate an authentic to a counterfiet.

1.The price of yy rackets would be preety much the same all over the world .There wont be a huge difference between them.Like we all know,JP stands for the most expensive one,then the National team,like chinese CP,CN.Then,the rest were almost the same.Dont dream for a real yy that costs $100 less than the normal price.

2.Serial numbers on cone n shaft,which u can learn how to tell where it is distributed,n when it was made.However,fake yy nowadays r so smart,they can copy exactly the same numbers like the real one n also laser engraved!So,in case u think u just count on the serial numbers,u're wrong!U may check n get a confirmation that ur serial number is true..but u still have to be careful.

3.Paint job n quality!!This is the one that matters the most.Know ur desired racket well 1st before u buy it.For example:When u wanna buy AT series,the easier one to recognise is the armortec around 9-3o'clock position.The real one should look like a plastic transparent,while the fake one is just a sticker.Paint job,for ex:AT900..it has the candy paint,while the fake were just plaint white.Quality..both fake n real's stiffness n weight is preety different.Their balance point also.Some stiff fake r head heavy,n their balance point can go up to 320-330mm..which is not normal,while real yy head heavy balance point is only about 300-310mm.So,when u shake them,u should be able to tell the difference.
The yonex on the cone were also different.The shape of the O were different.

4.Grip..both got "yonex" written on it n they put the same sticker on the plastic wrap as well.So,how to differentiate this one?Easy!..Read the yy catalogue.Each model of high end YY got different model grip.For example:AT700,n AT900,they got a different original grip,or NS8000 got the red on the holes of the grip,while NS9000 got navy blue on the holes of the grip,etc.But beware,i also have seen the fakes applied the same thing!Usually u can differentiate them by feeling of the leather.However,most fake yy only uses one single type of yonex grip on any models.

So,my advice about this is..get urself familiar with ur desired racket,the real one..then u'll be much easier to find out the fake.

Good day.I hope it's useful!:)