View Full Version : shopping for a second racquet
snook-ed 08-07-2004, 09:57 AM hi guys, i've been reading and have found out that the mp100s as well as the armortecs are popular possessions in this forum.
i have therefore, been extremely tempted to own my 2nd racquet, currently holding an mp33, with bg65 strung in at 24 pounds. looking for a second to replace the mp33 in case i get so fed-up in a match i just slammed the 33 and yada yada
i'm just curious to know, basically what kind of improvement am i likely to see from the purchase of a new and expensive racquet. been looking at mp77, 88, 99 and 100, as well as ti8 and 10. in fact, i considered all these before finally purchasing the 33 since they were then, out of my budget. unless i'm actually getting something lighter, say 4U, over my current 3U mp33, what other improvements is possible?
i am not sure how you guys look at things when shopping for a second, third, or in some extreme cases, the tenth racquet. say i were to get a mp88, 3U, strung exactly like my current rac, there shouldn't be any general difference and surely does not justify the extra money spent, does it?
so what do you all look for when getting your new toys? looks? budget? or just plainly cos you think you like the "feel" of the racquet?
if i were to go for an upgrade over my mp33, what is generally recommended? i don't favour the armortec, simply because i can't bear to spend so much on one racquet, recommendation of other brands are also welcome, the hopeful thing is i can get em in singapore
all inputs appreciated, thanks in advance.
FEND. 08-07-2004, 10:12 AM [QUOTE=Precheur]
Grr, we seem to be getting more of these open ended questions, can we have a sticky about how to ask for recommendations for equipment?
IE:
If you want a grip, answer these questions:
1. Do you like tacky or smooth grips?
2. Do you like hard or soft grips?
3. Do you know what overgrip is, if not then think about it ;P
4. Do you care much about durability or is it all about performance?
5. Do you sweat a lot?
If you want a racquet:
1. How often do you play, how serious are you?
2. What style of player are you? (Aggressive smasher, net player ...)
3. Do you care much about durability or is it all about performance?
4. How much money do you want to spend?
Etc. [QUOTE=END]
P.S I'm trying to learn the quote and stuff.
OK after reading this, I think you can come down to what types of racquet you want. ISO or Oval head. And we need to know our style of playing and your budget. Cheers. Input those first.
I would buy the same racket as a spare, so that you don't have to get used to playing with a racket which has a different balance, weight, etc. It's different if you want to ditch your old MP 33 and switch to a different type. I've been using the Yonex Ti SP (SS) and just bought what is probably the last in stock in Holland. They've discontinued that type and I have to switch to a new racket. The Yonex importer advised me to try the AT 800 DE or the AT 300 which are supposedly similar to my old racket in terms of balance and feel. The AT 300 cost 91 Euro, so that's even cheaper than my old racket. I suggest that you figure out what type of racket you want. Is it something similar to your MP 33, then ask around which types are similar in weight, balance and feel. Do you want to try a completely different racket, then you have to figure out if you're a defensive or offensive player, a doubles or singles player, etc. Finally, you ask an expert which racket is most suitable for you. You could ask your coach, local shopkeeper, importer, or do your own research on this Web site.
snook-ed 08-08-2004, 03:59 AM If you want a racquet:
1. How often do you play, how serious are you?
2. What style of player are you? (Aggressive smasher, net player ...)
3. Do you care much about durability or is it all about performance?
4. How much money do you want to spend?
OK after reading this, I think you can come down to what types of racquet you want. ISO or Oval head. And we need to know our style of playing and your budget. Cheers. Input those first.hi, just to answer the few questions,
1) i play every other day, and whenever possible, on a good week, i play up to 4 times
2) agressive smasher
3) durability yes, performance, yes also, but, performance more
4) preferably within Sing$200
snook-ed 08-08-2004, 04:01 AM I would buy the same racket as a spare, so that you don't have to get used to playing with a racket which has a different balance, weight, etc. It's different if you want to ditch your old MP 33 and switch to a different type. I've been using the Yonex Ti SP (SS) and just bought what is probably the last in stock in Holland. They've discontinued that type and I have to switch to a new racket. The Yonex importer advised me to try the AT 800 DE or the AT 300 which are supposedly similar to my old racket in terms of balance and feel. The AT 300 cost 91 Euro, so that's even cheaper than my old racket. I suggest that you figure out what type of racket you want. Is it something similar to your MP 33, then ask around which types are similar in weight, balance and feel. Do you want to try a completely different racket, then you have to figure out if you're a defensive or offensive player, a doubles or singles player, etc. Finally, you ask an expert which racket is most suitable for you. You could ask your coach, local shopkeeper, importer, or do your own research on this Web site.buying the same racquet for spares is a practice of a friend of mine, but instead, i prefer to be able to have choices, to try out other models, or brands as well
btw, i'm an offensive player, always playing doubles
FEND. 08-08-2004, 07:04 AM mmm. Aggressive.
Iso Heads
Mp 100 price should've dropped well below $200, here in Brunei I can get one at SGD$175 with BG 66 string and grip.
Mp 77, head heavy, Ideal for smashing. Again I can find in Brunei for around SGD$ 160
Not sure bout Mp 99 or AT series.
Oval Heads.
One racquet. I bet none of the b'fers here would disagree with me. Cab30MS. I'm currently looking at one for around SGD$175 here, not sure there. But I heard it's over $200 there.
These 3 are my current suggestions as I've tried them out before.
~Cheers mate.
snook-ed 08-08-2004, 07:24 AM mmm. Aggressive.
Iso Heads
Mp 100 price should've dropped well below $200, here in Brunei I can get one at SGD$175 with BG 66 string and grip.
Mp 77, head heavy, Ideal for smashing. Again I can find in Brunei for around SGD$ 160
Not sure bout Mp 99 or AT series.
Oval Heads.
One racquet. I bet none of the b'fers here would disagree with me. Cab30MS. I'm currently looking at one for around SGD$175 here, not sure there. But I heard it's over $200 there.
These 3 are my current suggestions as I've tried them out before.
~Cheers mate.iso heads are recommended for aggressive players?
whoa, all in brunei, i can only get the MP77 at SGD$175 here, grrrr!
FEND. 08-08-2004, 07:30 AM No I mean I was differentiating between the preference of head shape
buying the same racquet for spares is a practice of a friend of mine, but instead, i prefer to be able to have choices, to try out other models, or brands as well
btw, i'm an offensive player, always playing doubles
Can you try out rackets before you buy them? At my club, a local shop has these try-out occassions, so that is really ideal if you're looking for a new racket. I'm a defensive doubles player myself and found that my Yonex Ti SP (SS) is the perfect racket for me. It's flexible which is good for control, very light (3U) and evenly balanced which is good for counter attack and fast drives. If I'm looking at the Yonex diagram, the AT 800 OF, AT 500, and MP 88 would be suitable for you. I've tried the AT 800, but couldn't produce any power with it. It's too head heavy for me. A stiff shaft and heavy head should suit offensive players. I'm not sure about the price, but it would probably cost around 130 Euro in Holland.
snook-ed 08-08-2004, 01:46 PM Can you try out rackets before you buy them? At my club, a local shop has these try-out occassions, so that is really ideal if you're looking for a new racket. I'm a defensive doubles player myself and found that my Yonex Ti SP (SS) is the perfect racket for me. It's flexible which is good for control, very light (3U) and evenly balanced which is good for counter attack and fast drives. If I'm looking at the Yonex diagram, the AT 800 OF, AT 500, and MP 88 would be suitable for you. I've tried the AT 800, but couldn't produce any power with it. It's too head heavy for me. A stiff shaft and heavy head should suit offensive players. I'm not sure about the price, but it would probably cost around 130 Euro in Holland.i'm kinda on the lookout for 4U mp77s and above, like 88, 99 or even 100, is there 4U Ti10s around?
snook-ed 08-08-2004, 01:47 PM Can you try out rackets before you buy them? At my club, a local shop has these try-out occassions, so that is really ideal if you're looking for a new racket. I'm a defensive doubles player myself and found that my Yonex Ti SP (SS) is the perfect racket for me. It's flexible which is good for control, very light (3U) and evenly balanced which is good for counter attack and fast drives. If I'm looking at the Yonex diagram, the AT 800 OF, AT 500, and MP 88 would be suitable for you. I've tried the AT 800, but couldn't produce any power with it. It's too head heavy for me. A stiff shaft and heavy head should suit offensive players. I'm not sure about the price, but it would probably cost around 130 Euro in Holland.oh one more thing, it's virtually impossible to try out racquets here before you purchase it, maybe there are places with such practice that i know not of, erm, any singaporean enthusiasts care to comment? thanks
i'm kinda on the lookout for 4U mp77s and above, like 88, 99 or even 100, is there 4U Ti10s around?
none except mp88 have 4U. and MP77/99/100/Ti10 in 3U versions are hard to find.
lighter is not always better. esp when you say you are an aggressive smasher, a 2U racket will have more momentum and smashes will come out even harder.
snook-ed 08-08-2004, 01:55 PM none except mp88 have 4U. and MP77/99/100/Ti10 in 3U versions are hard to find.erm, is this for real?
FEND. 08-08-2004, 04:50 PM Yes, it is for real.
none except mp88 have 4U. and MP77/99/100/Ti10 in 3U versions are hard to find.
lighter is not always better. esp when you say you are an aggressive smasher, a 2U racket will have more momentum and smashes will come out even harder.
Personally, as a doubles player I don't like rackets that are too heavy. Playing a doubles match is so fast that it's easier to play with a light racket, 3U or 4U. You can react a little faster. But if you're going for hard smashes, a 4U would be too light.
Snook-ed, if I were you I'd try the MP88, 99 3U (85-89 gr). Don't you have any pals from whom you could borrow these rackets?
snook-ed 08-08-2004, 11:10 PM Personally, as a doubles player I don't like rackets that are too heavy. Playing a doubles match is so fast that it's easier to play with a light racket, 3U or 4U. You can react a little faster. But if you're going for hard smashes, a 4U would be too light.
Snook-ed, if I were you I'd try the MP88, 99 3U (85-89 gr). Don't you have any pals from whom you could borrow these rackets?heh, i seriously don't, maybe i'll go out to have a feel of these racquets later, i think there's this "not very close" friend who's got an ashaway racquet that's designed almost exactly to that of an mp99, i'll check with him
LazyBuddy 08-09-2004, 02:51 PM MP77/99/100/Ti10 in 3U versions are hard to find.
I think in US, ppl can get MP77 and MP100 3U relatively easily, but if they look for 2U, that might be harder.
Of course, it varies depend on the region. In general, Ti10 3U is the hardest among the list to get. ;)
bluejeff 08-09-2004, 04:05 PM I think in US, ppl can get MP77 and MP100 3U relatively easily, but if they look for 2U, that might be harder.
Of course, it varies depend on the region. In general, Ti10 3U is the hardest among the list to get. ;)
MP77 and 100 in 3U in US are just too pricy......if you have money, you can pretty much buy anything you want (just the matter of the price) :)
Oh, Maybe it's just me, but I can easily get a dozen of the Ti-10 in 3U :D
lalanthier 08-10-2004, 03:38 PM The numbers don't really matter once you hit a certain level. Everything MP77 and up is worth getting.
Many players say that the MP77 is a cheaper version of the MP99/MP100 but heavier.
MP88 is ideal for mens doubles, or any doubles actually. It's the lightest of the MP high end racquets in general. It is also the most flexible. It is also not as noticably head heavy. Very powerful smashes, but also great for wrist play.
MP99 is considered the classic of the MP line (Ti-10 for Ti's, Cab20 for Cabs...as far as I know anyway. :P). It is head heavy and stiff, but very powerful. It's quite a durable racquet. It's not as noticeably head heavy as the Ti-10. It is also a pretty good raquet for doubles, even though it's single's orientated. You do require a strong arm, but wrist shots are definately quite good with this racquet (not as good as the MP88 though)
MP100 is another version of the MP99. I've heard it's even more singles orientated, making it less suitable for doubles play. Some say it's a bit heavier or lighter...
Armortec series. They're built for power. That's mostly what I have to say.
Ti-10 is a classic. Very noticeably head heavy. Requires a very strong arm and wrist, but very powerful. It's a durable and good looking racquet as well.
So I guess you have to decide based on your playing style.
snook-ed 08-10-2004, 09:41 PM The numbers don't really matter once you hit a certain level. Everything MP77 and up is worth getting.
Many players say that the MP77 is a cheaper version of the MP99/MP100 but heavier.
MP88 is ideal for mens doubles, or any doubles actually. It's the lightest of the MP high end racquets in general. It is also the most flexible. It is also not as noticably head heavy. Very powerful smashes, but also great for wrist play.
MP99 is considered the classic of the MP line (Ti-10 for Ti's, Cab20 for Cabs...as far as I know anyway. :P). It is head heavy and stiff, but very powerful. It's quite a durable racquet. It's not as noticeably head heavy as the Ti-10. It is also a pretty good raquet for doubles, even though it's single's orientated. You do require a strong arm, but wrist shots are definately quite good with this racquet (not as good as the MP88 though)
MP100 is another version of the MP99. I've heard it's even more singles orientated, making it less suitable for doubles play. Some say it's a bit heavier or lighter...
Armortec series. They're built for power. That's mostly what I have to say.
Ti-10 is a classic. Very noticeably head heavy. Requires a very strong arm and wrist, but very powerful. It's a durable and good looking racquet as well.
So I guess you have to decide based on your playing style.thanks, you made the mp88 sound very nice, i'll go have a try soon =)
FEND. 08-11-2004, 02:51 AM One racquet folks. Cab30ms. CAB30MS CAB30MS!!! I've been hypnotised by it!! One of the best I've used. Reccomend it over the many other racquets I've tried.!!
henrileconte 08-11-2004, 05:29 AM Reading all the post on the forum I would say If you want to stick with Yonex, the MP 99 would be the best choice for his playing style. Maybe the Cab 30 with the oval shape heads, but you have got to like these, otherwise it is quite a change between Iso and Oval. The MP 77 I wouldn't do as I find it very hard to have real power with the racket, it is heavy, little touch. The 88 well, it's not a real agressive racket, and since we are looking for an agressive player I wouldn't advise it. Good racket though. The MP 100 is a difficult racket to use, you need a really fast arm, than it's OK, but it still would seem better to buy the 99. Of course the Armortec 700 is also a quite agressive racket. But it also depends very much on which kind of balance you like. There are all round attacking players using a head light racket (have a very fast arm) and some a very head heavy racket. Depends on your arm and power.
Good luck. Have a look also on the other brands, sometimes they have very good rackets for much less money, Which seems a good thing.
snook-ed 08-11-2004, 09:12 AM how's the 3U Ti10 people?
in fact, i've been to quite a few places today, and only found 2 with the 3U Ti10, and they feel very very good, or how bout the 2U? the difference of that few grams do have the difference, but overall, both the 3/2U Ti10s feel really right, heh
TheGr8Two 08-11-2004, 10:33 AM how's the 3U Ti10 people?
in fact, i've been to quite a few places today, and only found 2 with the 3U Ti10, and they feel very very good, or how bout the 2U? the difference of that few grams do have the difference, but overall, both the 3/2U Ti10s feel really right, heh
Ti 10 3U is an excellent racket. Not as heavy as the 2U version, but still great for power as well as control. Great for doubles because of the light weight(it feels a LOT lighter, even though it's probably around 5g difference only). I'd recommend it over MP77 and MP100. Don't know how it fares against MP88/99.
snook-ed 08-11-2004, 11:14 AM Ti 10 3U is an excellent racket. Not as heavy as the 2U version, but still great for power as well as control. Great for doubles because of the light weight(it feels a LOT lighter, even though it's probably around 5g difference only). I'd recommend it over MP77 and MP100. Don't know how it fares against MP88/99.my sentiments exactly, after today, had i then realise that the Ti10 really feels oh so great, even better than the mp88, 99 and 100 i've held today
IvanM 08-11-2004, 08:39 PM compariing mp99 with Ti10
My MP99 is a 2UG4 with BG65 @ 23 lb
Perfect for all round, and i tried my friend's Ti10
3UG4 w/ BG68 @ 24 lb
the difference is about the stiffness u need
we swaped racket for 2 hrs.
and bacisially our level are the same and our on-court personality is the same
we reckon that for doubles, the Ti10 is better, coz we are hitting down every shot
the Driving is perfect!
For singles, the MP99 works better coz the power of it is just OW~~~~
:p :p :p really nice
bluejeff 08-11-2004, 09:39 PM Well, MP99 is a lot easier to get everywhere.......and that's something you should consider when buying racquets.
(Yeah, Shipping often cost a lot if you have to buy it out of country)
snook-ed 08-11-2004, 09:56 PM Well, MP99 is a lot easier to get everywhere.......and that's something you should consider when buying racquets.
(Yeah, Shipping often cost a lot if you have to buy it out of country)that i certainly have to agree, Ti10s are not easy to find, and there's a couple of places i've been to yesterday, have their Ti10s sold out, and most of them carry only the 2U version
how much is the Ti10 3U costing around anyway? there's 2 shops quoting me S$195 and S$174 separately, and another with a 2U(if i remember correctly) going for S$199(then offering me S$190 if i'm interested)
i just want to find out the average price so i'm not actually paying alot more for the same thing
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