Multiple Shuttle Feed... how do you do them?

[cappy75]

Here's something I hope all of you knowledgeable coaches out there could help me with. How do you make effective multi-shuttle feeds? Is there a certain way of holding rolls of shuttles in your hand to facilitate the feed? Please bear in mind that shuttles used are often not in the best condition:p.

[gerry]

Here's something I hope all of you knowledgeable coaches out there could help me with. How do you make effective multi-shuttle feeds? Is there a certain way of holding rolls of shuttles in your hand to facilitate the feed? Please bear in mind that shuttles used are often not in the best condition:p.

If you're right handed, just cradle between 15/20 shuttles base down in the crook of your left arm down to your hand, pick one off at a time and feed. Obviously you have to be able to hold your racket and a shuttle in the one hand to feed well.
You should be able to feed 20 shuttles in under 20 seconds for net play.
It Just takes practice.

[Aleik]

You need a two tubes which would hold 12 shuttles each, tape them together parallel, and hollow the bottom of the tube out to just less than the diameter of a regular shuttle. This means that the shuttle at the bottom will creep out of the bottom of the tube, and you can simply pull it out (don't worry, it won't damage the shuttle).

Now pierce a hole near the top and the bottom of one of the tubes, and thread a string through, which can be looped, or knotted at both ends. This acts as a sling which can simply be put around your right shoulder so that the tubes hang down your left flank.

There. Now you have the option of feeding 24 shuttles with no discomfort. Just be prepared to pick them all up afterwards!

Aleik.

[gerry]

Aleik, sounds interesting but the shuttles won't come out by themselves so how do you get them to slip to the bottom of the tube, every tube that I've ever used needs pressure to get them out, still think it's easier and faster just to hold them in your arm.

[kwun]

i wonder about the same thing too.

a poster tube with thicker diameter will work better imho.

however, i think the ability to hold 20+ shuttles in one arm without help and still be able to feed them properly is part of the skill set of a good coach.

[gerry]

For doubles training I can hold 35 shuttles in my arm but it sometimes feels like I'm wrestling with a snake !! ;-)

Another advantage I think is that you can play 2+ shot drills with the same shuttle without having to hunt behind your back when you need the next shuttle, i.e. I can hold shuttles in my arm, feed one to the rearcourt, the player plays a dropshot I can then reply to the net still using the same shuttle which he can "kill" then I pull another one quickly to feed again to the rearcourt so he has to be able to respond quickly as if the "kill" was returned. It is pressure training and if you can do the above with 20 shuttles in your arm your player will certainly feel under pressure !!!

Another point possibly is that I can move around the court with ease feeding shuttles from any part of the court quickly rather than standing in a fixed position, I'm not so sure that with something on your back it would be so easy to do, I may be wrong and am willing to be converted.

[Mag]

Just stack the shuttles up along your non-racquet arm, cork downwards. Then pick the bottom one with your racquet-hand, let the others slide down, hold the racquet hand up high and drop the shuttle, and hit it as it falls down. The trick is to let the shuttle DROP from your racquet-hand -- this is very important. If you toss the shuttle your shots will end up anywhere.

The rest is just as with all skills: practice, practice, practice. That's why coaches are such good feeders: they get to practice it a lot! :p

[gerry]

b] hold the racquet hand up high and drop the shuttle[/b], and hit it as it falls down. The trick is to let the shuttle DROP from your racquet-hand -- this is very important. If you toss the shuttle your shots will end up anywhere.



Exactly Mag, I should have mentioned that....thanks

Mind you in saying that, not too high, I find elbow height sufficient.

[cappy75]

I had a disasterous time in my training group when it's my turn to feed the shuttles for doubles reaction drill:o. Didn't help that lots of the shuttles were in various stages of damage and some often get stuck together:(. Will try underhand feed with one roll of 8-10 shuttles next time and then go from there. Thanks for your help, guys:)!

[gerry]

Didn't help that lots of the shuttles were in various stages of damage and some often get stuck together

Yes that does happen but it can be a funny relief in a tense session.

[dlp]

As Gerry says just pick up 15-30 shuttles in your left arm and serve under arm, you can either drop the shuttles with your left hand or pick them off one at a time with your right hand (while holding the racket) and serve them.

If you want to feed attacking shots quicker overhand hold 4-5 shuttles at a time in left hand and pick them with right hand and hit downwards from above your shoulder.

[Dill]

I found when feeding like that, using a shortened grip when hitting took my mind off the bad miss-hits and gave me more control for trying to get the one shuttle from my racket hand in the perfect position from which to hit.

[Dill]

I was over at the academy last week where I saw a double tubed device for holding shuttles, it was made from grey tubes with a black stand where the tubes were filled with shuttles and the bottom of the tubes were at hand level for ease of picking the shuttle.

For getting up a couple of hundred up off the floor after the feeding they just use a big wide brush, not sure if it damages the shuttles though.

[SWC_Ant]

for people in richmond (particularly those who play at ClearOne), the coach there has 3 poster-paper rolls taped parallel and then mounted on something that looks like a camera tripod.. he can put hundreds of birdies in there, and just pluck them out one by one to do drills for his students.. they pick it up by hand (i believe) afterwards though

[FlamingJam]

i just prefer being able to hold 20-25 shuttles in the non racket arm and as has been said use the racket arm to drop one and then hit it, i thk tryin to invent different meas is aukward in the long run , its a useful skill to have so i learnt it.

Also find it easier to feed with a short grip usually it make hitting a dropping shuttle quicker much easier:p

[kwun]

reviving an old thread.

i am starting to learn the technique to feed shuttle.

i am doing as mentioned by a few, stacking 10-20 shuttle up my non-racket arm, pulling the bottom one from the stack using my racket hand, throw it a little and then hit it with the racket.

i am OK with it but it was difficult to do precise placement, the issue i have is that after i pull each shuttle out with the racket hand and throw it, it usually don't have time to settle down and as a result, the orientation of the shuttlecock was pretty erratic.

any tips to getting this right?

[Mathieu]

Hi Kwun,
Here is a good video that I found on badminton life. It starts talking about multi-shuttles feed at about 1:11 and the technique is demonstrated at 4:08 by a top canadian player. The whole video is interesting (it also talks about a drill called quarter court which is alot of fun).

I think that its important not to hit too quickly after throwing the shuttle (as mentionned in the video). You might also find it easier if you use a shorter grip when feeding (ie holding your racket closer to the cone) as it gives you more control.

Here is the link: http://badmintonlife.com/birds-of-a-feather-flock-together/

Hope it helps.

Mathieu

[kwun]

Mathieu, that's an informative video. i will try that tomorrow for the mutli-shuttle drills.

[jerby]

Nice video, it takes some getting used to, but when you can do it you can be very consistent.
A few tips:
-Try and be consistent in 'throwing' the shuttle of the row. I like to throw it out a bit horizontally so the shuttle doesn't have any spin on it. Because if it spins your shot can go anywhere.
-Put your non-racketfoot in front and feed the shuttles beside you, not in front of you. Because when you hit in front of you your lifts will go in a huge ark and you lose speed. When you hit it more to the side you can play with the pace of the shot a lot more.
-You cannot get a service fault on feeding! I see a lot of people feeding shuttle well below their waist and complain they can't feed a driveshot or a fast lift. Don't be afraid to hit it above your waistline. I know some coaches who can feed a pretty decent smashes even.

[ctjcad]

reviving an old thread.

i am starting to learn the technique to feed shuttle.

i am doing as mentioned by a few, stacking 10-20 shuttle up my non-racket arm, pulling the bottom one from the stack using my racket hand, throw it a little and then hit it with the racket.

i am OK with it but it was difficult to do precise placement, the issue i have is that after i pull each shuttle out with the racket hand and throw it, it usually don't have time to settle down and as a result, the orientation of the shuttlecock was pretty erratic.

any tips to getting this right?
..are you training up your boys??..;)..

i think posts #2, #7 & #15 pretty much could give you the tips..

[kwun]

Nice video, it takes some getting used to, but when you can do it you can be very consistent.
A few tips:
-Try and be consistent in 'throwing' the shuttle of the row. I like to throw it out a bit horizontally so the shuttle doesn't have any spin on it. Because if it spins your shot can go anywhere.
-Put your non-racketfoot in front and feed the shuttles beside you, not in front of you. Because when you hit in front of you your lifts will go in a huge ark and you lose speed. When you hit it more to the side you can play with the pace of the shot a lot more.
-You cannot get a service fault on feeding! I see a lot of people feeding shuttle well below their waist and complain they can't feed a driveshot or a fast lift. Don't be afraid to hit it above your waistline. I know some coaches who can feed a pretty decent smashes even.

nice tips! i have problem with the spin, or from random shuttle orientation when i contact it, and it ends up going everywhere. will pay more attention to that.

[coachgary]

Nice video, it takes some getting used to, but when you can do it you can be very consistent.
A few tips:
-Try and be consistent in 'throwing' the shuttle of the row. I like to throw it out a bit horizontally so the shuttle doesn't have any spin on it. Because if it spins your shot can go anywhere.
-Put your non-racketfoot in front and feed the shuttles beside you, not in front of you. Because when you hit in front of you your lifts will go in a huge ark and you lose speed. When you hit it more to the side you can play with the pace of the shot a lot more.
-You cannot get a service fault on feeding! I see a lot of people feeding shuttle well below their waist and complain they can't feed a driveshot or a fast lift. Don't be afraid to hit it above your waistline. I know some coaches who can feed a pretty decent smashes even.

If you want to be more consistant in feeding straight, say to the rearcourt then it is better to stand with your racket foot forwards. It may feel a little awkward but does the trick I promise you.

[jerby]

but when you do that, do you hit the shuttle beside you, or in front of you?
If you're just feeding to one corner, that'd be fine. But if you were to feed multiple corners (while standing in the middle of the court) it's very tricky.
Because with your racketfoot forward you'll either have to feed the shuttles from in front of you, or turn your torso very awkwardly.

And when you feed in front of you, you can't really play with the pace of your shots. You can't drive, or lift fast, and cross-shots are way to easy to see coming.

[coachgary]

but when you do that, do you hit the shuttle beside you, or in front of you?
If you're just feeding to one corner, that'd be fine. But if you were to feed multiple corners (while standing in the middle of the court) it's very tricky.
Because with your racketfoot forward you'll either have to feed the shuttles from in front of you, or turn your torso very awkwardly.

And when you feed in front of you, you can't really play with the pace of your shots. You can't drive, or lift fast, and cross-shots are way to easy to see coming.

Feed from the side. I know it sounds awkward but it isn't really. Feet position is very similar to the ready position, ie racket slighly further forward.

The quality and accuracy of the feed is more important than trying to return the workers replies.

[coachgary]

edit *Feed from the side* I mean racket side of body not the side of the court. *racket foot slightly forward*

Sorry about the errors - boss came in whilst I was typing.

[jerby]

Feed from the side. I know it sounds awkward but it isn't really. Feet position is very similar to the ready position, ie racket slighly further forward.

The quality and accuracy of the feed is more important than trying to return the workers replies.
Ohh, okay, I see.
What I meant with the drives/fast lifts I didn't mean receive them, I meant feeding them to the worker. Quite often you see people (either racket foot forward, or side by side) feeding shuttles so far out in front of them they can only feed shots with a slow curve. Putting your non-racketfoot in front forces you to hit the shuttle beside you, so then you can drive, lift fast, drop fast. You can control the pace of feeding more easily.

But maybe I'm just picturing your stance wrong, if you only put your racketfoot slightly in front of the other, it should be pretty easy indeed.

[ljutzkanov]

I think some of the explanations about the feeding technique are quite good so now you should have good idea how to do it :).

I want to mention something else, which is very vital achieving high effect from the multifeeding exercises:
1. Trajectory of the feed shuttle and position of the feeder - may be the most important...
This first is connected with your position on the court where you feeding from.
Second is connected with the tactical situation which you want to train. Remember that always the technical skills involves tactical elements - at least recognition of the trajectory and the spin is always involved.

2. Moving on court while feeding - many times we do all the feeding only from one place, but in the same time we are training some tactical combinations (patterns of playing in different disciplines) and to achieve the highest effect we have to move, so the to change the angle of the trajectory of the shuttle according to the position of our player and sometimes according to the tactical situation.

3. Spin of the shuttle - some of the strokes which we can train, especially at the net (but not only!!!) requires special spin of the shuttle and without this spin we can train it all day long with having zero effect...

3. Correct PLM (or center of the preloaded jump) center of our player .
Something what many coaches forget while doing multifeeding.
If we want to achieve a correct movement as in the game, we have to be sure that our player has correct PLM position and always performing the same tactical pattern (if you make more than 1 stroke you always involve tactical pattern!) we have to be sure that he/she gets the most optimized PLM position as we want him/her to do the same in the real game. This also one more reason why we have to be sure where is our position (as feeder) and what is the trajectory of the stroke which we combine in multifeeding exercise.

Hope to help a bit more :)

www.badmintonplanet.org
www.ljutzkanov.com

[Gollum]

I tend to agree with coachgary about the feeding position. I prefer a square-on stance (racket foot slightly forwards), rather than sideways, and to release the shuttle in front of my body and on my forehand side.

The main benefit to this style is that you can use a shorter, more "wristy" racket swing. With a side-on stance and contact the shuttle farther out to the side, I find it encourages a larger swing.

Another advantage is that you can watch the player better. If you're using a side-on stance, and hitting at the side of your body, you have to turn away more from the player as you hit the shuttle (I'm assuming you look at the shuttle, at least momentarily as you hit it).

As jerby mentioned, avoiding spin on the shuttle drop is crucial. I find my feeds are quite accurate whenever I have a clean shuttle drop, but absolutely dreadful if the shuttle is still wobbling. Personally, I prefer to drop rather than throw the shuttle:


Start with a very short basic grip
Pluck the shuttle from out my left hand, holding the cork in my first three fingers (ring finger and little finger are holding onto the racket)
Move the shuttle above the intended point of impact, and make it point straight down (or slightly towards me) by supinating my forearm
Release the shuttle, opening all three fingers at exactly the same time
Drop my arm, repositioning fingers on the racket, and flick through with the wrist to hit


Done correctly, this drop ensures the shuttle is falling straight down with little or no spin.

I don't especially consider myself to be a good feeder, but that's what helped me become a less awful feeder. ;)

[pBmMalaysia]

just to add, gollum - make sure our finger nails are short when we do multi shuttle feedings! and yes its all about flicking (never swing)!

[kwun]

thanks all for the tips!

i did my first multi-shuttle drill today. i think i did pretty well. i stood with defensive stance. racket foot slightly forward, and then just plugged each shuttle off my left arm and fed it over. after a while i was pretty comfortable with it. i think success rate was ~80%. not bad for first time? ;)

[pBmMalaysia]

kwun, if you do regular multi shuttle feeding your badminton will improve!

you will feel your hand will be faster

next, you can also try standing on bench and feed fast shuttle - example for doubles defense

taking 20 shuttles (2 rolls) and short fast punch, try to finish it between 20 - 25 sec!

thats 1 rep, min is 10...

[Cheung]

Use the left hand to pull the shuttle from the stack and throw the shuttle to be hit with your racquet (right hand).

[Gollum]

i think success rate was ~80%. not bad for first time? ;)

That sounds excellent. Well done. :)