Copenhagen Masters 2004 [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

yvonneak

11-04-2004, 01:25 AM

yvoneak,

historically, the Copenhagen Masters only have MS, WS & MD events. not sure why that is so but perhaps due to the fact that they only have one court and limited time.

i wonder who will be invited to the Copenhagen Masters this year. after the retirement of Camilla Martin, who has been almost a permanent fixture of the Copenhagen Masters in the past decade, i think the CM (they even have the same initials!!) will never be the same again.
True, but I think we can look forward to the Australian gals, I forgot their name, but they are sisters, to take over the limelight.

Johansen

11-06-2004, 01:46 AM

There will be no womens single this year. It is replaced with mixeddouble.Gao Ling / Zhang Jun, Jens Erikesen / Mette Schjoldager will be the toppairs.

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk)

yvonneak

11-06-2004, 01:51 AM

hoioh

11-06-2004, 10:01 AM

So,organizer only choose those events they are strong in competition?

I'm just worry one day after Peter Gade retirement, there will only left with
MD and XD for this events.

Johansen

11-07-2004, 07:51 AM

It would nice if there is an english version :( I don't have time to do an english version at the moment, but I hope to do one in a couple of months.
Do you thing that there will be interest in an english version?

Regards
Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

seawell

11-07-2004, 08:25 AM

So,organizer only choose those events they are strong in competition?

I'm just worry one day after Peter Gade retirement, there will only left with
MD and XD for this events.
maybe! :D
chinese ws players can't win here! :crying:

hoioh

11-07-2004, 08:40 AM

yvonneak

11-07-2004, 09:46 AM

I don't have time to do an english version at the moment, but I hope to do one in a couple of months.
Do you thing that there will be interest in an english version?

Regards
Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk)
As a satellite distributor to international broadcasters, I have to frequently surf the net for any info to update my clients. Not every foreign language website can be translated by google and I find the most important info is always from the host nation's sports federation website than most other articles. And YES, that would be great for me and broadcasters alike.
As a fan, it would be great to know what would be in store and what we can look forward to and chat about it in the forum. The English version would be obsolete in couple of months when the event is going to be next month itself.
Hope it would be possible to have it in English before then. Many thanks.

yclin

11-07-2004, 10:03 AM

MoS

11-22-2004, 11:23 PM

It will be great to have an english version!! :)

English please !!!!!!!!!!

*GaDe~CaMiLlA*

11-22-2004, 11:41 PM

english please.................. :D

Johansen

11-23-2004, 06:12 AM

I just want to state that the page I am running are NOT an official site.
What I might can offer is a news-section in English with coverage of the tournament.

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk)

Qidong

11-23-2004, 01:08 PM

So,organizer only choose those events they are strong in competition?

I'm just worry one day after Peter Gade retirement, there will only left with
MD and XD for this events.

Didn't you notice that the organizer only invites top foreign players who didn't have a good records against Dannish players? Like last year, they invited Xie Xingfang who never beated Camilla at that time. And they didn't invite Lin Dan... But of course it's an just exhibation, the organizer wants to have the most spectators. :)

yvonneak

11-23-2004, 08:29 PM

Mag

11-24-2004, 04:23 AM

Didn't you notice that the organizer only invites top foreign players who didn't have a good records against Dannish players? Like last year, they invited Xie Xingfang who never beated Camilla at that time. And they didn't invite Lin Dan...

Not true. Who is invited and who accepts are different things. We don't know if Lin Dan was invited or not. I am sure the organizers would have loved to see him there. And I think Xie was simply the best they could get at that point, as Zhang Ning declined. The organizers want to attract the best field possible, but being an invitational tournament at an odd time, in an "odd" place, and with limited price money, they don't always succeed.

Since the Copenhagen Masters is a small invitational and it doesn't give IBF ranking points, the organizers can choose any way they want. Obviously, they need some international big names to ensure the standard of the competition. However, in order to attract spectators and media, they ideally wish to see Danes in the finals of each category. The tournament is in two stages, with two groups in each category initially, and then each group winner enters the final. Each group should have one Danish player/pair.

This year they don't have two Danish WS players that have potential of reaching a final, so they decided to drop that category for mixed doubles instead. Quite understandable.

A quick look at the line-ups from some previous years is all it takes for your accusation about "only inviting top players with bad record against Danes" to crumble:
MS:
2003: WCH, Gade, Taufik (group 1), Jonassen, Chen Yu, LCW (group 2)
2002: WCH, Lee Hyun Il, Gade (group 1) and Peter R, Sony, Chen Jin (group 2)
2001: Jonassen, Hendrawan, WCH (group 1), Gade, Luo Yigang, Gopichand (group 2)

MD:
2003: Eriksen/Lundgaard, Candra/Halim, Choong/Lee (group 1), Lars/Jonas, Kim/Yim, Nathan/Anthony (group 2)
2002: Eriksen/Lundgaard, Chan/Chew, Cai/Fu (group 1), Lee/Yoo, Jonas/Lars, Candra/Sigit (group 2)
2001: Lars/Jonas, Candra/Sigit, Nathan/Anthony (group 1), Chan/Chew, Zhang Jun/Zhang Wei, Larsen/Laugesen (group 2)

WS:
2003: Camilla, Mia Audina, Seo Yoon Hee (group 1), Xie Xinfang, Pi, Tine Rasmussen (group 2)
2002: Camilla, Meulendijks, Pi (group 1), Zhang Ning, Mia, Jun Jae Youn (group 2)
2001: Camilla, Pi, Cindana Hartono (group 1), Zhang Ning, Mette Sørensen, Meulendijks (group 2)

In any case, it's a small tournament in a great venue with a great athmosphere where you get really close to the players. I went last year and I hope I will be able to go again this year.

Johnny

12-01-2004, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Qidong
Didn't you notice that the organizer only invites top foreign players who didn't have a good records against Dannish players?

It must be a conspiracy!! :D
Seriously, that's ludicrous...

MS this year:
Peter Gade
Kenneth Jonassen
Taufik Hidayat
Wong Choong Hann
Lee Chong Wei
??? (China)

Mag

12-01-2004, 03:37 AM

I'm going to see the finals this year, as I did last year. Anybody else coming? Johnny?

Johnny

12-01-2004, 05:54 AM

I'm not coming I'm afraid... :(
Not that I'm not interested, if they can get Lin Dan, the MS matches will be pure dynamite! But I will be spending christmas with my family.

I'll try to watch it on TV if TV2 will be transmitting though.

Just in case you dont know, the tournament has been moved from Cirkusbygningen. This year it will be played in Falconercenteret.
Read all about it here (http://www.badminton.dk/default.asp?pageid=372) (in Danish).

suetyan

12-02-2004, 02:52 AM

do any ppl know , which player will join tis competition ? China which palyer have join ?

Mag

12-02-2004, 04:46 AM

The full lineup has not yet been announced.

suetyan

12-02-2004, 06:28 AM

The full lineup has not yet been announced.about when the player who have take part will be announce ?

Johnny

12-08-2004, 03:51 AM

Peter Gade
Kenneth Jonassen
Taufik Hidayat
Wong Choong Hann
Lee Chong Wei
Xia Xuanze

I dont know all the participants in MD and MxD, but the following seem to have agreed to play:

MD
Sang Yang / Zheng Bo
Eng Hian / Flandy Limpele

MxD
Gail Emms / Nathan Robertson
Gao Ling / Zhang Jun
Mette Schjoldager / Jens Eriksen
Rikke Olsen / Carsten Mogensen

suetyan

12-08-2004, 07:14 AM

Lin Dan , Xie Xingfang , Zhang Ning , Bao Chun Lai have take part ar ?

Mag

12-08-2004, 07:56 AM

Lin Dan , Xie Xingfang , Zhang Ning , Bao Chun Lai have take part ar ?

Not sure what you mean, but if you're asking if they're participating the answer is no. Xia is representing China. It's only six players/pairs in each category, and the categories this year are MS, MD, MX. Thus no ladies singles or doubles.

Johnny

12-08-2004, 08:01 AM

Lin Dan , Xie Xingfang , Zhang Ning , Bao Chun Lai have take part ar ?

No, they won't be participating.

Copenhagen Masters is an invitational tournament and therefore only features MS, MD and MxD this year. No LS or LD.
And there is only 6 participants in each event I'm afraid.

The players in each event are split up into two groups with the winner of each group proceeding to the finals.

Johnny

12-08-2004, 08:04 AM

Damn you Mag! ;) Too fast...

suetyan

12-08-2004, 05:32 PM

No, they won't be participating.

Copenhagen M...asters is an invitational tournament and therefore only features MS, MD and MxD this year. No LS or LD.
And there is only 6 participants in each event I'm afraid.

The players in each event are split up into two groups with the winner of each group proceeding to the finals.oic , thx for u all ! But last year Copenhagen Masters Xie Xingfang had join , and won the championship , is it last year had women single , tis year didn't had ?

yvonneak

12-08-2004, 08:20 PM

Hi Mag,

Any chance you might have the order of the matches for the CM2004? My company is going in to work with TV2 and the production team to have this shown in Asia. But since they have only given me the finals, 29 Dec, timing at 1800-2100 GMT, that would mean Asia catches only the finals :crying: . Unless if I can get Asian broadcasters to change their mind :D

Not sure what you mean, but if you're asking if they're participating the answer is no. Xia is representing China. It's only six players/pairs in each category, and the categories this year are MS, MD, MX. Thus no ladies singles or doubles.

Johnny

12-09-2004, 01:00 AM

is it last year had women single , tis year didn't had ?

Yes.
This year WS has been dropped in favor of MxD, because of Camilla Martins retirement.

Reading some other news I seem to have stumbled upon the lineup and groups.

MS will be split into one group with
Peter Gade, Wong Choong Hann and Taufik Hidayat
and one group with
Kenneth Jonassen, Xia Xuanze and Lee Chong Wei

MD will be split into one group with
Jonas Rasmussen / Lars Paaske, Eng Hian / Flandy Limpele and Tan Bin Shen / Ong Soon Hock
and one group with
Jens Eriksen / Martin Lundgaard Hansen, Sang Yang / Zheng Bo and Simon Archer / Robert Blair

MxD will only consist of one group with the 4 pairs I mentioned earlier. I guess the 2 best pairs will duke it out in the final. Not sure if they'll just pick the winner of the group as the overall winner though :confused:

Mamado

12-09-2004, 07:33 AM

The time shoulde and draw:

http://www.dansk-badminton.dk/dbf/Turnering2004-2005/Masters/Masters04.pdf

suetyan

12-09-2004, 05:33 PM

thx Mamado and Johnny

kwun

12-20-2004, 02:45 AM

Didn't you notice that the organizer only invites top foreign players who didn't have a good records against Dannish players? Like last year, they invited Xie Xingfang who never beated Camilla at that time. And they didn't invite Lin Dan... But of course it's an just exhibation, the organizer wants to have the most spectators. :)
if i remember correctly, the CM organizer don't hand pick whom to play in the CM. instead, they send an invitation to the national teams and ask the national teams to pick from their stable of players.

hcyong

12-20-2004, 08:46 PM

Just read from the newspaper that this week is the start of the Malaysian National Grand Prix Finals, involving those players who will be going to Copenhagen next week. A bit hectic, don't you think, even if you don't consider jet-lag.

jump_smash

12-20-2004, 09:05 PM

sorry yes link should http://www.badminton.dk/default.asp?pageid=373

A fan

12-21-2004, 12:06 AM

The Copenhagen Masters is an invitational tournament. They only invite 6 singles and 6 pairs of double players for the tournament. They are divided into two groups who will play roundrobin. The winner of each group will play in the finals.

Peter Gade, Taufik and Wong CH are in one group, the other group consist of Xia xz, Kenneth Jonassen and Lee CW!

Congrats to Taufik and Luluk/Alven as well as to the other winners(WS, WD and MXD)..

Again, like i mentioned earlier, Lin Dan and his co-horts will have another chance to prove themselves against Taufik in two weeks in the Copenhagen Masters..This time it's more in a "neutral" court, so no more excused of "home" court etc.

Yah, IMO, Taufik "wasted" 2-3 yrs.(2001-2003) while his coach moved to S'pore, eventhough he was able to win the last 2 Indonesian Open..I thought his coach coming back was the "biggest" difference as well as his "metal maturity" since then..Add to that the incentives of winning double the money, sure indeed should motivate him...I also don't think BCL would have won against Taufik in this year's Indonesia Open if he would beat Chen Hong in the SF(BCL won vs. Taufik in the China Open SF because Taufik injured his foot badly).

Anyhoo, let's move on folks..Looking forward to the Copenhagen Masters in a couple weeks and then next year(ie. All England, Sudirman Cup, World Championships)..:)).

hcyong

12-21-2004, 12:58 AM

MS will be split into one group with
Peter Gade, Wong Choong Hann and Taufik Hidayat
and one group with
Kenneth Jonassen, Xia Xuanze and Lee Chong Wei

MD will be split into one group with
Jonas Rasmussen / Lars Paaske, Eng Hian / Flandy Limpele and Tan Bin Shen / Ong Soon Hock
and one group with
Jens Eriksen / Martin Lundgaard Hansen, Sang Yang / Zheng Bo and Simon Archer / Robert Blair

Predictions :) Of course, it is not a serious competition but I can still guess
MS
Taufik from Group 1 (WCH washed up, Gade may not cope with in-form Taufik)
Lee CW from Group 2 (Xia washed up, Lee exact revenge on KJ)
Taufik to win

MD
JR/LP (Indons can't match Danes, Malaysians too inexperienced)
JE/ML (two others not match)
JE/ML to win

y0ng

12-21-2004, 03:30 AM

suetyan

12-21-2004, 05:25 AM

can i ask , who r live in Malaysia and have record the Indonesia Open final 2004 ?

seven

12-21-2004, 05:52 AM

Fan, who are the 6 double players invited?
You can find all these informations in the threads about Copenhaguen Masters :
Copenhaguen Masters 2004 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19426)
Copenhaguen Masters 2004 Program (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20403)

Syaoran_Style

12-21-2004, 09:18 AM

But the first group .. [taufik , peter and choong hann] ... it's the same than in 2003 (O_o) ...
Why they do that?Maybe to Give another chance to peter gade?? and can anyone tell me how they choose all player??, if i had to invite some players it will be :

Bao chunlai
peter gade
taufik hidayat
ronald susilo
boonsak polsana
Lin dan

i think those players deserve to take part to this event =))

Ps : Sorry if it's a bit Off topic =')

ctjcad

12-21-2004, 02:49 PM

Hmm, OK, my mistake...I must've misread it from somewhere..But after reading from another thread on Copenhagen Masters, why do they invite, "washed up" players(sorry to some of their fans in here, ie. Xia XuanZe, WongChoonHan, Flandi/EngHian)??????..I mean, those folks don't even belong in there..I agree with SyaoranStyle, this i don't understand..
Unless of course, they(Denmark) want to generate extra money for entertainment purposes for end of year event... :confused:
And if indeed it is for entertainment purposes, then I hope Taufik *won't* go all-out, in case he injures himself, esp. right after a grueling tourney...Then he has to prepare himself for the Korean Open in January next year...:P

The Copenhagen Masters is an invitational tournament. They only invite 6 singles and 6 pairs of double players for the tournament. They are divided into two groups who will play roundrobin. The winner of each group will play in the finals.

Peter Gade, Taufik and Wong CH are in one group, the other group consist of Xia xz, Kenneth Jonassen and Lee CW!

kwun

12-21-2004, 03:04 PM

Hmm, OK, my mistake...I must've misread it from somewhere..But after reading from another thread on Copenhagen Masters, why do they invite, "washed up" players(sorry to some of their fans in here, ie. Xia XuanZe, WongChoonHan, Flandi/EngHian)??????..I mean, those folks don't even belong in there..I agree with SyaoranStyle, this i don't understand..
Unless of course, they(Denmark) want to generate extra money for entertainment purposes for end of year event... :confused:
And if indeed it is for entertainment purposes, then I hope Taufik *won't* go all-out, in case he injures himself, esp. right after a grueling tourney...Then he has to prepare himself for the Korean Open in January next year...:P
there are 6 entries in each event and way more than 6 eligible players/players in the world to play in each entry. futhermore, since this is a Danish invitational tournament, it is understandable to have two local players/pair occupying 2 of the 6 spots. i don't think any choice will be perfect in everybody's eyes.

the choices of Wong/Lee/Xia/Taufik is not a bad one. and putting Taufik in the same group as Peter isn't letting Peter any air either as Taufik is the one who beat him in the Olympics and he just came back from defeating Lin Dan in the IO.

A fan

12-21-2004, 07:31 PM

Fan, who are the 6 double players invited?

here are the double palyers:

Group 1: Eriksen/Lundgard; Sang/Zheng; Archer/Blair

Group 2: Paaske/Rasmussen; Hian/Limpele; Tan Bin Shen/Ong Soon Hock(MAS)

Here is the URL for the english version of the CM website:
http://www.badminton.dk/default.asp?pageid=373

jump_smash

12-21-2004, 08:19 PM

Men' Singles Group 1
Peter Gade (DEN) WR 2,
head to head vs Taufik 6-2, vs Choong 9-6
Taufik Hidayat (INA) Wr 6,
head to head vs Peter 2-6, vs Choong 3-4
Choong Hann Wong (MAS) WR 17,
head to head vs Peter 6-9, vs Taufik 4-3

Mens Singles Group 2
Kenneth Jonassen (DEN) WR 3,
head to head vs Xuanze 1-2, vs Choong 2-2
Xuanze Xia (CHN) WR 9,
head to head vs Kenneth 2-1, vs Choong 2-0
Chong Wei Lee (MAS) WR 8
head to head vs Kenneth 2-2, vs Xunaze 0-2

Men's Doubles Group 1
Jens Eriksen / Martin Lundgaard (DEN) WR 1,
head to head vs Yang and Bo 4-3, vs Simon and Robert 0-0
Yang Sang /Bo Zheng (CHN) WR 6,
head to head vs Jens and Martin 3-4, vs Simon and Robert 0-0
Simon Archer / Robert Blair (ENG) WR 24,
head to head vs Jens and Martin 0-0, vs Yang and Bo 0-0

Men 's Doubles Group 2
Lars Paaske / Jonas Rasmussen (DEN) WR 2,
head to head vs Eng and Flandy 1-3, vs Bin and Soon 0-0
Eng Hian / Flandy Limpele (INA) WR 5,
head to head vs Lars and Jonas 3-1, vs Bin and Soon 2-0
Bin Shen Tan / Soon Hock Ong (MAS) WR 33,
head to head vs Lars and Jonas 0-0, vs Eng Hian 0-0

Mixed Doubles
Qiqiu Chen/ TingTing Zhao (CHN) WR 3
vs
Jens Eriksen / Mette Schjoldager WR 2,
head to head Jens and Mette 3-1

Cartsen Mogensen / Rikke Olsen (DEN) WR 39
vs
Nathan Robertson / Gail Emms (ENG) WR 1
head to head 0-0

aiyuuw

12-22-2004, 02:55 AM

mmmm, do you think taufik will go all-out or play lazyly(not motivated), or playing good but not his best becos he doesnt want to be tired since he will be participating in 6* gp event in january(if)

*GaDe~CaMiLlA*

12-22-2004, 06:19 AM

don't have women's singles???who will win this year..............

my predictions

men's singles-JONASSEN Kenneth OR HIDAYAT Taufik
men's doubles-PAASKE Lars/RASMUSSEN Jonas
mixed doubles-ERIKSEN Jens/SCHJOLDAGER Mette :p

ctjcad

12-22-2004, 11:33 AM

Kwun,
I understand where you're coming from, but not to sound "careless" or what, but IMHO sorry this event looks looks like for a year-end entertainment purposes *only* for the Danes. I mean look at the participants, at least there is minimum 1 Danes in there in the 3 events, and there are no WS or WD??. I know this past summer a lot of top players retired (ie. Kim and Ra from Korea to name a few,Lee/Yoo) but, the players posted by 'Jump Smash' are not 'world-beaters' or at least half of them haven't won any tourneys the last 6 monhs or they're on their farewell tour. And probably a few of them will be retiring very2 shortly(ie. Eng/Flandy, they're really washed up, and probably WCH. Peter is nearing his either).
Anyway, i just hope none of the younger, up-and-coming players injured themselves in this event. And I hope each one of those "guest" players get some "gifts"/compensation for traveling far away just to entertain the Danish crowd...Hey, i guess that's why they called it "Cop...Mas..Invitation"...or maybe a more appropriate name for this event should be "Flandy/Eng Hian and friends farewell tournament"... :rolleyes:

there are 6 entries in each event and way more than 6 eligible players/players in the world to play in each entry. futhermore, since this is a Danish invitational tournament, it is understandable to have two local players/pair occupying 2 of the 6 spots. i don't think any choice will be perfect in everybody's eyes.

the choices of Wong/Lee/Xia/Taufik is not a bad one. and putting Taufik in the same group as Peter isn't letting Peter any air either as Taufik is the one who beat him in the Olympics and he just came back from defeating Lin Dan in the IO.

johnps

12-22-2004, 01:05 PM

Predictions :) Of course, it is not a serious competition but I can still guess
MS
Taufik from Group 1 (WCH washed up, Gade may not cope with in-form Taufik)
Lee CW from Group 2 (Xia washed up, Lee exact revenge on KJ)
Taufik to win

MD
JR/LP (Indons can't match Danes, Malaysians too inexperienced)
JE/ML (two others not match)
JE/ML to win
It will be tough going for both the Malaysian singles players (Lee CW & Wong CH) because the schedule of play does not favour them. Both have to play twice on the first day of the tournament.

hcyong

12-22-2004, 08:37 PM

Unless we all forget, this is just an invitational tournament, not a world championship or something.

ctjcad

12-23-2004, 04:52 PM

Apparently from another website's article, I found out that some sources indicated that if Taufik is going to go to CMI(Denmark), he would *ONLY* go with Eng Hian/Flandy instead of others(ie. Sigit/Candra or Alven/Luluk)..For some reason he is close-friend with Flandy..I hope this is not true, as Eng Hian/Flandy themselves never knew about it until the last minute...Interesting..

Mag

12-24-2004, 07:03 AM

Kwun,
I understand where you're coming from, but not to sound "careless" or what, but IMHO sorry this event looks looks like for a year-end entertainment purposes *only* for the Danes. I mean look at the participants, at least there is minimum 1 Danes in there in the 3 events, and there are no WS or WD??. I know this past summer a lot of top players retired (ie. Kim and Ra from Korea to name a few,Lee/Yoo) but, the players posted by 'Jump Smash' are not 'world-beaters' or at least half of them haven't won any tourneys the last 6 monhs or they're on their farewell tour. And probably a few of them will be retiring very2 shortly(ie. Eng/Flandy, they're really washed up, and probably WCH. Peter is nearing his either).
Anyway, i just hope none of the younger, up-and-coming players injured themselves in this event. And I hope each one of those "guest" players get some "gifts"/compensation for traveling far away just to entertain the Danish crowd...Hey, i guess that's why they called it "Cop...Mas..Invitation"...or maybe a more appropriate name for this event should be "Flandy/Eng Hian and friends farewell tournament"... :rolleyes:

Why the sour grapes? It's an invitational. That means it's basically a performance tournament. It IS entertainment for the Danish audience. Players play for money or fun or the experience, not for ranking points.

jason_kidd

12-24-2004, 07:23 AM

:confused: ....why they not invited...?? so sad.... :confused: :(

Syaoran_Style

12-24-2004, 10:21 AM

:confused: ....why they not invited...?? so sad.... :confused: :(

I think that's because they choose their players long time before the event, because last year i ask hongyan what will be her next tournament (it was in october) and she told that she will play in the C.M, so i guess she knew that maybe 4 or 5 months ago , and candra and sigit played their first tournament (of the year lol) in november at the China Open 2004

^^....SyAoRaN....^^

ctjcad

12-24-2004, 12:31 PM

Syaoran,
not so much sour grapes. The reason i'm not too giddy about this tourney, esp. since Taufik will be joining is because of the "quality" of players that is attending and the travel distance they will be traveling. I mean, if the Danes want to put out their "top players"(ie. Queen Camilla Martin, who made a smart decision not to join) to do an exhibition in front of their home crowds, then that would be fine and dandy, plus they'll be playing at home anyway so they don't have to travel. I realize most of the players who are coming are still relatively young, but the others, who have to *sacrifice* their family and travel overseas at the end of the year where they could've used the time to relax and enjoy with family??? Another factor is, what if for some, gud forbid, freakish accident a younger and up-n-coming players get a serious injury, would the organizer and fans be responsible??Again, esp. as you said it, it's *ONLY* 'an invitational', 'a performace tournament, 'it's entertainment for the Danes audience' etc2..*NOT* for 'ranking points', 'gp title' etc2.. :confused:
Sorry I might sound a bit "biased" here esp. for Taufik Hidayat. Where is the top Chinese players??Korean players??Malaysian players??..I just hope none of them gets seriously injured..
But then again, the decision to send the players are in the national's organization hand and the lure of the money is always there, and at least from what i know, *all* the guest players will be compensated for, plus they'll be getting some money just to show up. Eventhough not much, I believe the total prize money is 320,000.00 DKK(Denmark Kroner) = $58,215.44 USD

Why the sour grapes? It's an invitational. That means it's basically a performance tournament. It IS entertainment for the Danish audience. Players play for money or fun or the experience, not for ranking points.

ctjcad

12-24-2004, 12:36 PM

Reason why Candra/Sigit not going is, from what i read and know, the Indonesian badminton organization weren't decided until last minute. And even then, there were sources(reliable or not) which indicated that Taufik *only* wanted Flandy/Eng Hian to come along, not other daubles pair. They said he's a close buddy-buddy with Flandy.

I think that's because they choose their players long time before the event, because last year i ask hongyan what will be her next tournament (it was in october) and she told that she will play in the C.M, so i guess she knew that maybe 4 or 5 months ago , and candra and sigit played their first tournament (of the year lol) in november at the China Open 2004

^^....SyAoRaN....^^

kwun

12-24-2004, 12:42 PM

Sorry I might sound a bit "biased" here esp. for Taufik Hidayat. Where is the top Chinese players??Korean players??Malaysian players??..I just hope none of them gets seriously injured..
But then again, the decision to send the players are in the national's organization hand and the lure of the money is always there, and at least from what i know, *all* the guest players will be compensated for, plus they'll be getting some money just to show up. Eventhough not much, I believe the total prize money is 320,000.00 DKK(Denmark Kroner) = $58,215.44 USD i think players are allowed to decline if they want to. and that's probably why we don't see the top players from China. both Lin and ChenH have Xie and Gao Ling whom they'd prefer to spend the winter with.

this is an invitational and not a compulsory tournament. if they personally think the prize money and travel incentive, and able to spend a couple of days in Denmark is worth whatever risk and sacrifice they have, then they should go.

afterall, they are professionals, they don't get paid by ranking points (at least most don't) but instead they get paid by prize money. if they chooses not to go to these invitationals, they are losing chance of getting more income. injury or not is a risk that they need to take everyday.

if you are looking at the injury point of view, it is a no risk no gain situation. every tournament and training session they are risking injury, they still have to do it coz that's how they improve and earn their income.

aiyuuw

12-24-2004, 05:23 PM

jason kidd, the reason candra and sigit not being sent is, according to an indonesian article, becos compared to candra/sigit and alven/luluk, flandy/eng was the most inconsistent, so they decided to send flandy/eng instead, in order to improve their performance, and also some say that taufik is close to flandy, and kinda hesitating to go without him

komodo dragon

12-25-2004, 07:05 PM

i'm not sure why ppl are saying negative things about the tournament or the players. This is a great tourament for the players and the fans because only very good players are attending so fans don't need to sit through usually boring matches between "Qualifier" and "Superstar" The players are all very good, and its a big insult to call them wash-out. Most or all the players are in ranked in the top 20 in the world, and even WCH and XXZ have a good chance of winning.

Morten

12-26-2004, 02:24 PM

Washed out?? CTJCAD... wake up pimp... these players are all in top 20 and most of them in top 10.. Xia is still in my opinion second best in china and Lee Chong wei is now ranked 1st in Malaysia. As said before this tournament is based on intertaining the crowd not to gain money og ranking points and this "old" players know how to entertain... Your arguments just shows that you don't know a thing about this sport, perhaps you should sit down and listen to some of the clever people in here.

Mag

12-26-2004, 02:46 PM

Enough of the bashing!

Let's be civilized, and let's not resort to name-calling, OK?
Each and everyone is entitled to his/hers opinion. Let's respect that opinion, however incomprehensible you might find it.

:eek:

I'll just add that the tournament starts tomorrow (monday), and I'll be there on tuesday, and I plan on enjoying myself. :D

aiyuuw

12-26-2004, 04:56 PM

aiyuuw

12-27-2004, 01:04 AM

any results people?

A fan

12-27-2004, 02:27 AM

any results people?

The game will only start at 1pm local time on Monday dec 27, which is another 3.5 hrs from now.

streamyx

12-27-2004, 02:55 AM

*GaDe~CaMiLlA*

12-27-2004, 03:39 AM

Hi,
I do not understand these? what is it? Pls explain.tq

this is HEAD TO HEAD result....... :p

whizkelv

12-27-2004, 07:33 AM

Kenneth Jonassen bt Lee Chong Wei 15-10, 15-13 :(

whizkelv

12-27-2004, 07:40 AM

Now playing Wong CH vs Taufik Hidayat

udin_udik

12-27-2004, 08:17 AM

Now playing Wong CH vs Taufik Hidayat
Go Taufik.....
any result ??

whizkelv

12-27-2004, 08:21 AM

Surprise, surprise... :D
Wong CH beat Taufik Hidayat 15-6, 15-8

Wondering if Taufik takes this invitational meet as his Christmas vacation. Not his usual self to lose so easily to Wong CH. Lets see how he measures up later on against Peter Gade.

whizkelv

12-27-2004, 08:30 AM

Up next:
JR/LP vs Tan BS/Ong SH
Well, I don't expect the young Malaysians to perform miracles :rolleyes:

whizkelv

12-27-2004, 09:16 AM

JR/LP won 15-9, 17-14

The young Malaysians were leading by comfortable margins throughout the 2nd game and held game point at 14-9, but allowed the Danes to crawled back and scored 8 points in a row and eventually took the match.

The same scenario as in SO earlier, where they led junior Korean pair but ended up losing 17-16 in the rubber. Seems like they have weak mental (typical Malaysian sportsmen syndrome) :mad:

Mag

12-27-2004, 09:59 AM

Thanks for the updates, whizkelv! It's weird, I'm in Lund in the very south of Sweden, and somebody in Malaysia is relaying info from a tournament that's only an hour away...

Are you watching a live broadcast? Danish TV is broadcasting live, but only in one of their digital channels -- which we can't get here. This means I'll have to wait for the 1 hour highlight that's coming on one of the major Danish channels tonight. Only the finals will be live in a major channel... :mad:

And good work, Kenneth! It's the third time he beats LCW now. And Taufik just doesn't seem to perform well in the Masters, maybe he sees it as holiday as somebody suggested! :D On the other hand, WCH always seems to be in his prime at the Masters, he always plays well there, and always seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself.

Johansen

12-27-2004, 10:14 AM

The results so far:

K. Jonassen - Lee Chong Wei 15/10, 15/13
Wong Choong Han - H. Taufik 15/6, 15/8
J. Eriksen/M. Lundgaard - S. Archer / R. Blair 15/1, 15/10
Lars Paakse / J. Rasmussen - Shen Tan Bin/Hock Ong Soon 15/9, 17/14

Notice that Wong Choong Han beat Taufik 15/6, 15/8...

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

*GaDe~CaMiLlA*

12-27-2004, 10:19 AM

*GaDe~CaMiLlA*

12-27-2004, 10:22 AM

one day only got 4 matches is it??? :confused:

Johansen

12-27-2004, 10:51 AM

3 more matches more this evening. Starts at 19:00 CET.

Le Chong Wei - Xia Xuanze
Peter Gade - Wong Choong Han
Jens Eriksen/M. Schjoldager - Chen Qiqiu / Zhao Tingting

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

Johansen

12-27-2004, 01:07 PM

Jens Eriksen/M. Schjoldager - Chen Qiqiu / Zhao Tingting 15/8, 15/8

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

Go Gade

12-27-2004, 01:12 PM

hi Johansen,
do u know gade result,and others too?
:confused:Gade has'nt played yet...

Johansen

12-27-2004, 01:49 PM

Lee Chong Wei - Xia Xuanze 15/9, 15/3

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

ploppers

12-27-2004, 01:50 PM

Ahh, beat me to it ;)

Johansen

12-27-2004, 02:19 PM

Ahh, beat me to it ;)
I am watching the macthes live on tv :)

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk)

Johansen

12-27-2004, 02:23 PM

Peter Gade - Wong Choong Han 13/15,

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

Morten

12-27-2004, 02:49 PM

CTJCAD look at the world ranking of these players thats enough and when watching the matches on television specially Wong-Gade you can see that these players are not washed out. Wong made light work out of Taufik and perhaps it was not taufik at his best but Wong was superb and the Gade-Wong match is supreme...

Johansen

12-27-2004, 02:50 PM

Peter Gade - Wong Choong Han 13/15, 15/10 and going for third set

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

jamesd20

12-27-2004, 02:54 PM

Sounds like a good game WCH/Gade.

Keep this thread about the results please, They are all either top players of NOW, or players who are up and coming. As also correctly stated this tournament is about entertainment and exposure, not only winning.

BTW are you sure it is Simon Archer/Robert Blair? I think Archer is now playing with Anthony clark, and Nathan robertson who is playing with Blair?

Johansen

12-27-2004, 03:05 PM

Peter Gade - Wong Choong Han 13/15, 15/10, 15/1

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

Johansen

12-27-2004, 03:06 PM

BTW are you sure it is Simon Archer/Robert Blair? I think Archer is now playing with Anthony clark, and Nathan robertson who is playing with Blair?
Yes - it is Simon Archer/Robert Blair.

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk)

ctjcad

12-27-2004, 03:09 PM

?!?!..where are my recent posts???...what happened to them??got deleted??for what reason(s)???..

morten, i know what rank the players are as i posted the world rankings of each players(as of this year)..however it will change next year cos several players will no longer play(due to retirement)..

Morten

12-27-2004, 03:25 PM

Who will retire?? They will all enter the world championship in August next year except Xia perhaps... so your arguments are of no value. Try to accept that these players are chosen by their own country to play in this tournament as it is an invited tournament. It's tournaments like these ones who keep badminton interesting as it shows sportsmanship because the players dont play for ranking points neither the money. Except Lin Dan these 6 single players almost reaches the quarter finals in every grand prix tournament they enters and among them are the olympic champion, the worldchampion and runner up.... :cool:

ctjcad

12-27-2004, 03:51 PM

Ehhhhhhhhhmm, let's see Kim/Ha??Kim/Ra??Camilla Martin??Halim Haryanto??And maybe a few others I don't know : R-E-T-I-R-I-N-G...And to a certain extent Flandi/Eng Hian is just "forcing themselves to play", i don't think they really belong in there anymore with the "top/young players"..
"They will all enter the world championship in August next year except Xia"??......*All* of them will??*All* as in who??...Xia is a WC from last year, and he has fallen fast this past year IMO as well as others-did you see his record in tournaments this year???Plus he's younger than Gade/Choong Hann..The only players worth watching IMO are Taufik, Jonassen and maybe LeeCW and Gade(Gade is only superior in tournaments which doesn't involve top Asian MS players)..There are other players better than the rest of the field (ie. Ronald Susilo, BaoCL, ChenHong, SonyKuncoro, ShonSM,Boonsak)..How about the MDs and MXDs???Where are the top Asian players??...I accept that the players are chosen by their own country, bu I think the players' agreement also has *a lot* to do with them going-even if they are chosen by their own country(ie. why Indo only send Flandy/EngHian not Sigit/Candra or Luluk/Alven or why ChenHong, Lin Dan or BaoCL didn't go??)..
"It's tournaments like these ones who keep badminton interesting as it shows sportsmanship because the players dont play for ranking points neither the money"..Yeeah, tell that to Flandy/Eng Hian and maybe a few others..Woohoo, can't wait til next year's Copenhagen Masters again.. ;)

Who will retire?? They will all enter the world championship in August next year except Xia perhaps... so your arguments are of no value. Try to accept that these players are chosen by their own country to play in this tournament as it is an invited tournament. It's tournaments like these ones who keep badminton interesting as it shows sportsmanship because the players dont play for ranking points neither the money. Except Lin Dan these 6 single players almost reaches the quarter finals in every grand prix tournament they enters and among them are the olympic champion, the worldchampion and runner up.... :cool:

Qidong

12-27-2004, 04:07 PM

So some players may need to play 2 matches in 1 day :eek: . Is it normal in major tournments? It will be tough.

Qidong

12-27-2004, 04:12 PM

It's interesting people are arguing about the qualiity of this tournment. It's like Hong Kong is having a soccer tournment celebrating Chinese New Years, and for example, they invited, China, Argentina and England. Then people started arguing why not Korea, Brazil and France because they are better. Don't forget it's an invitational tournment. The organizer needs to care how to get more Danish to buy tickets. :)

Morten

12-27-2004, 04:16 PM

Camilla has retired and Kim/ha are not participating.. but there's others... Gade has beaten Bao, always beats Chen Hong and Shon.. His score against Sony is even so on that point you´re right.. But today I watched the matches and Taufik was outplayed by Wong so the "old" ones is worth watching and in MX the english silver medalist are playing and the danish winners in danish open plus the runner up and currently 3rd ranked chinese pair.. the MX double is high class pairs and the fourth pair Rikke Olsen/Carsten Mogensen is also worth looking at.. Rikke was together with our own Jonas the one to beat Kim/ra at the olympics.. In MD Jens and Martin are currently the best in the world. AE champion, 4th at the olympics and a lot of semifinals and finals in the grand prix events.. Zheng/sang are also good and a upcoming pair.. and perhaps you're right that the MD is not that strong with an english pair and a young malaysian pair but the countrys has chosen the players so the danes cant just get anyone to play in Copenhagen Masters... I cant understand your points, it seems you haven't watched the games today and because of that don't know the high level the players are providing us with...You need to watch more matches to maintain your hypothesis

Morten

12-27-2004, 04:21 PM

hey Qidong.. yes 2nd and 3rd round will sometimes be played the same day.. but from the quarter finals and further on there will only be one match in each catagory

Johnny

12-27-2004, 05:17 PM

Ehhhhhhhhhmm, let's see Kim/Ha??Kim/Ra??Camilla Martin??Halim Haryanto??And maybe a few others I don't know : R-E-T-I-R-I-N-G...

That's more or less true.
Neither of these are participating though...

Can't agree that Susilo, Shon and Boonsak are better players than Wong, Taufik, Xia and Wei. But that's a matter open for discussion I guess. ;)

Over and out.

Han

12-27-2004, 05:23 PM

Every match plays on Copenhagen Master is pretty high quality, that's all we can ask from invitation tournament. Copenhagen Master is the only one that still survive thus far, the Ipoh Master only lasted a year due to lack of fund? Wihtout the Grand Prix Final(no sponsor), we all should be content with Copenhagen Master!

ctjcad

12-27-2004, 07:35 PM

Exactly!!!Your example is quite close..Your last sentence basically tell the whole "purpose". This Copenhagen Masters is basically designed and sponsored wholly for the Danish people pure enjoyment & entertainment, nothing more nothing less...That's why I personally, in this argument don't take this kind of events "seriously"-I don't know why some athletes do either....Other than of course, the MONEY factor... :rolleyes:

It's interesting people are arguing about the qualiity of this tournment. It's like Hong Kong is having a soccer tournment celebrating Chinese New Years, and for example, they invited, China, Argentina and England. Then people started arguing why not Korea, Brazil and France because they are better. Don't forget it's an invitational tournment. The organizer needs to care how to get more Danish to buy tickets. :)

ctjcad

12-27-2004, 07:49 PM

Well, you're basically acknowledging my points that next year's world ranking will reflect differently than this year's and there aren't many top players involve..Again, I don't know about you or anyone, but personally I can't take this kinds of matches in this type of events and make a formula out of it..Sorry, but after following 2 week's ago Indonesian Open tourney, personally i don't really care about who's playing who and who's beating who in this event, it's an Invitation tourney-why should I bother about this event when everyone here basically agree nothing is "at stake" or "gain"..
"I cant understand your points, it seems you haven't watched the games today and because of that don't know the high level the players are providing us with...You need to watch more matches to maintain your hypothesis"
I don't mind if you don't understand my points. Yes, I haven't been watching the matches, how can I??I live in the U.S.:P.Plus I don't really need to watch those matches to know what type of high level players are providing, as I've seen enough myself(ie. recent Olympics, watched the last 4 U.S. Open tournaments live, yes seen Gade played here vs. Rasmussen in 2001 and won the tourney)..

Camilla has retired and Kim/ha are not participating.. but there's others... Gade has beaten Bao, always beats Chen Hong and Shon.. His score against Sony is even so on that point you´re right.. But today I watched the matches and Taufik was outplayed by Wong so the "old" ones is worth watching and in MX the english silver medalist are playing and the danish winners in danish open plus the runner up and currently 3rd ranked chinese pair.. the MX double is high class pairs and the fourth pair Rikke Olsen/Carsten Mogensen is also worth looking at.. Rikke was together with our own Jonas the one to beat Kim/ra at the olympics.. In MD Jens and Martin are currently the best in the world. AE champion, 4th at the olympics and a lot of semifinals and finals in the grand prix events.. Zheng/sang are also good and a upcoming pair.. and perhaps you're right that the MD is not that strong with an english pair and a young malaysian pair but the countrys has chosen the players so the danes cant just get anyone to play in Copenhagen Masters... I cant understand your points, it seems you haven't watched the games today and because of that don't know the high level the players are providing us with...You need to watch more matches to maintain your hypothesis

mhchuah

12-27-2004, 10:39 PM

Anyone know time different between Denmark and Malaysia ????

Han

12-27-2004, 10:51 PM

Astro's SuperSports Ch80 is going to broadcast the Copenhagan Master Final in Dec 30th, 9:00pm.

A fan

12-28-2004, 12:17 AM

Anyone know time different between Denmark and Malaysia ????

I think it's about 7 hours. If you want to know the time in any country in the world go to this site:

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/time.aspx?locationid=AM

hcyong

12-28-2004, 12:27 AM

Those who don't care for this tournament shouldn't care for this thread either.

As for selection of players, no one should question it. The size of audience and interest in the event vindicates the organisers.

I believe the players themselves do as best as they can. As professionals there is no letting up even in an invitational.

Morten

12-28-2004, 09:22 AM

I agree with the post above those who doesn't care for this tournament should keep their mouth shut.. and the US Open isn't known for having the best participants so CTJCAD it seems your havent figured out the level of play in this tournament.. Why doing it for the money. The money price in this tournament is extremely low, they do it because they love their sport and thats what makes them motivated... If the shuttlers were playing for money they should have chosen another sport, perhaps soccer or golf because if you havent noticed there isnt a lot of money in badminton. ;)

udin_udik

12-28-2004, 11:11 AM

too bad Taufik lost to Choong...
and it's straight set

ctjcad

12-28-2004, 12:19 PM

"and the US Open isn't known for having the best participants so CTJCAD it seems your havent figured out the level of play in this tournament". True the US Open doesn't attract top-level players, thus there is not much competition, but I've seen Gade played there before against Rasmussen which recently played there. Add to that Tony Gunawan(i hope you know who he is) has been playing and winning there the last 4 yrs and Halim Haryanto played there this past U.S. Open. You don't have to tell me i have to watch the CMI to "figure out the level of play"..

"Why doing it for the money. The money price in this tournament is extremely low, they do it because they love their sport and thats what makes them motivated" I know it's low, it's almost like a 1* tournament money(aoround $50,000). If indeed "they love their sport and that's what makes the motivated", then I hope next year the Copenhagen Masters should not give any money for prizes, how's that??. Might as well not sponsor any Asian players to come either and let's see if it still can live up to its billing..

"If the shuttlers were playing for money they should have chosen another sport, perhaps soccer or golf because if you havent noticed there isnt a lot of money in badminton"..Hmm, i wish there is an English translation of the article which mentioned why Flandy/Eng Hian and probably Taufik is going, just to show there is more than what you might think..

Last, it's not that I care so much about this CMI that i keep on responding here, i'm just backing up my arguments in response to your arguments..Pardon if my posts might sound "offensive" to some of you guys in here..

I agree with the post above those who doesn't care for this tournament should keep their mouth shut.. and the US Open isn't known for having the best participants so CTJCAD it seems your havent figured out the level of play in this tournament.. Why doing it for the money. The money price in this tournament is extremely low, they do it because they love their sport and thats what makes them motivated... If the shuttlers were playing for money they should have chosen another sport, perhaps soccer or golf because if you havent noticed there isnt a lot of money in badminton. ;)

ctjcad

12-28-2004, 12:48 PM

"Those who don't care for this tournament shouldn't care for this thread either." This thread has scores and updates of matches, with this little argument snipped in here and there to add variety. Hope when this CMI is over this talk will end as well.. :)

"As for selection of players, no one should question it. The size of audience and interest in the event vindicates the organisers" Sure it vindicates the organizers, add to that some money as prizes behind it. I wonder what would happen if there was NO Money involved, no sponsorship for the players coming in, no compensation or anything...Do you know why they sponsor all the players, give them compensation money just for participating???..

"I believe the players themselves do as best as they can. As professionals there is no letting up even in an invitational.". Hmm, how do you prove this??I know it could be a mere coincidence, but Taufik losing in straight sets in less than 40 min. to WCH, playing only 6 minutes in the 1st set???...

Those who don't care for this tournament shouldn't care for this thread either.

As for selection of players, no one should question it. The size of audience and interest in the event vindicates the organisers.

I believe the players themselves do as best as they can. As professionals there is no letting up even in an invitational.

jamesd20

12-28-2004, 01:22 PM

None can prove or disprove that the players do or do not give 100%

Neither can we comment about the quality of the event.

In MS we have the current Olympic champion, the current world champion, the runner up in the last WC, the Only players to have taken Lin dan to three games or beaten him in the past year (aprt from Susilo/bao both of which are inconsistent)

In XD we have the top 3 pairs in the world!

MD has the no1 pair and AE champions.

I dont see the problem, I cant see why the discussion even suggested a poor field, and their is another thread for todays results.

Thread closed.