La Fleche Ti 500 Racquet

[taneepak]

I was given a La Fleche Ti 500 racquet to test for about 2 weeks and I am pleasantly surprised by its performance. It is a very unusual racquet as it has a shaft that looks telescopic, with 3 different diameter shaft lengths, tapering from the handle towards the throat. The shaft is also longer than the AT700's shaft. The materials used are nickel titanium, high modulus graphite, plus tungsten.
It is by a comfortable margin the most powerful racquet I have ever come across. It is more powerful than the Ti-10, SwingPower SX, SS, Boron 2, and the AT800OF. The La Fleche Ti 500 not only has exceptionally powerful smashes, clears and drives, its smashes are sharp that give you a feeling that your smashes are ending up nearer the front of the court than flattish. I don't know why, but I suspect the "telescopic" shaft has something to do with it, maybe another type of "kick-point" or a change in the normal bend/curve of the shaft when hitting a power shot.
I am sold on this racquet and have just bought one, bringing my total racquet collection to 16, which is more than enough.
The La Fleche franchise for China and Hong Kong is held by Insksport in Hong Kong. The La Fleche Ti 500 racquet is Inskysport's OEM product that is being sold by select retail stores, including Luxis. However, many clubs and coaches in Hong Kong are getting to know this racquet, with many Ti-10 owners buying the LF Ti 500.
If you live in Hong Kong you should try to borrow from some one who owns one and try it out. It will be worth your while. :D

[worms]

I was given a La Fleche Ti 500 racquet to test for about 2 weeks and I am pleasantly surprised by its performance. It is a very unusual racquet as it has a shaft that looks telescopic, with 3 different diameter shaft lengths, tapering from the handle towards the throat. The shaft is also longer than the AT700's shaft. The materials used are nickel titanium, high modulus graphite, plus tungsten.
It is by a comfortable margin the most powerful racquet I have ever come across. It is more powerful than the Ti-10, SwingPower SX, SS, Boron 2, and the AT800OF. The La Fleche Ti 500 not only has exceptionally powerful smashes, clears and drives, its smashes are sharp that give you a feeling that your smashes are ending up nearer the front of the court than flattish. I don't know why, but I suspect the "telescopic" shaft has something to do with it, maybe another type of "kick-point" or a change in the normal bend/curve of the shaft when hitting a power shot.
I am sold on this racquet and have just bought one, bringing my total racquet collection to 16, which is more than enough.
The La Fleche franchise for China and Hong Kong is held by Insksport in Hong Kong. The La Fleche Ti 500 racquet is Inskysport's OEM product that is being sold by select retail stores, including Luxis. However, many clubs and coaches in Hong Kong are getting to know this racquet, with many Ti-10 owners buying the LF Ti 500.
If you live in Hong Kong you should try to borrow from some one who owns one and try it out. It will be worth your while. :Dif you like the lf-ti 500 wait till you try the lf-ti 600 its powerful ,very solid and the control is awesome

[taneepak]

if you like the lf-ti 500 wait till you try the lf-ti 600 its powerful ,very solid and the control is awesome

I actually tested both the La Fleche Ti 500 and 600 at the same time. The 600 is slightly longer and is strictly a singles racquet. Yes, the LF Ti 600 is very powerful, especially in executing attacking clears. But for sheer power in executing sharp and killer smashes, clears and drives, the 500 is noticebly better. As I am too old for singles, I ended up buying only the 500.
In fact, when Cheung Tung of Inskysport told me about his new OEM La Fleche racquet series, I was actually dismissive of them initially. It was only about 2 weeks ago that I met up with a former Guandong singles player, Lau Keen, whilst evaluating and commenting on his stringing job, that I asked him for his opinion about La Fleche racquets. He strongly recommended that I should try the 400, 500 and 600, citing the 500 as quite a performer. :D

[taneepak]

Worms, how did you manage to get a LF Ti 600 in the Phillipines? You must have bought it in Hong Kong from one of the many coaches at the various badminton clubs or from Luxis.

[crazy_smasher]

I was given a La Fleche Ti 500 racquet to test for about 2 weeks and I am pleasantly surprised by its performance. It is a very unusual racquet as it has a shaft that looks telescopic, with 3 different diameter shaft lengths, tapering from the handle towards the throat. The shaft is also longer than the AT700's shaft. The materials used are nickel titanium, high modulus graphite, plus tungsten.
It is by a comfortable margin the most powerful racquet I have ever come across. It is more powerful than the Ti-10, SwingPower SX, SS, Boron 2, and the AT800OF. The La Fleche Ti 500 not only has exceptionally powerful smashes, clears and drives, its smashes are sharp that give you a feeling that your smashes are ending up nearer the front of the court than flattish. I don't know why, but I suspect the "telescopic" shaft has something to do with it, maybe another type of "kick-point" or a change in the normal bend/curve of the shaft when hitting a power shot.
I am sold on this racquet and have just bought one, bringing my total racquet collection to 16, which is more than enough.
The La Fleche franchise for China and Hong Kong is held by Insksport in Hong Kong. The La Fleche Ti 500 racquet is Inskysport's OEM product that is being sold by select retail stores, including Luxis. However, many clubs and coaches in Hong Kong are getting to know this racquet, with many Ti-10 owners buying the LF Ti 500.
If you live in Hong Kong you should try to borrow from some one who owns one and try it out. It will be worth your while. :D


Hehe, u forgot something very important!!! The price???
:D That's most of the time the buying limiting factor :)
is this a new brand?

[taneepak]

Hehe, u forgot something very important!!! The price???
:D That's most of the time the buying limiting factor :)
is this a new brand?

Yes, it is a new brand as it has been released for about 6 months, although they have held the La Fleche name franchise for Hong Kong for sometime. The price is HK$550 for the La Fleche Ti 500 Long and HK$680 for the LF Ti 600, both without strings.
I believe Inskysport has agents for their La Flech racquets in the Philippines, Canada and China.

[twobeer]

Would it be possible for you to post some pictures of the racket, shaft and frame.. Sounds very interesting!

Cheers,
Twobeer

[taneepak]

Would it be possible for you to post some pictures of the racket, shaft and frame.. Sounds very interesting!

Cheers,
Twobeer

I don't have a digital camera. Perhaps I can ask Inskysport to email some photos to you and you can post them here?

[shamoon]

Where can I find this racket in U.S.A.?

[twobeer]

I don't have a digital camera. Perhaps I can ask Inskysport to email some photos to you and you can post them here?
I tried to look at inskysports web site.. but both the cjinese and english version seems to be down :-(

Cheers,
Twobeer

[taneepak]

Where can I find this racket in U.S.A.?

There is no La Fleche agent in the U.S. There is one in Canada. You can also contact Inskysport by email at inskysport@yahoo.com.hk and order directly from them. :D

[taneepak]

I tried to look at inskysports web site.. but both the cjinese and english version seems to be down :-(

Cheers,
Twobeer

You are right, the website is down. It will be up again after some maintenance work is finished in a day or two. The La Fleche racquets are featured in their website.
As I said earlier I bought a new LF Ti 500 last Monday after having tested the Ti 500 and Ti 600 for a couple of weeks. I strung the racquet yesterday and played with it only once when I had some games this morning, because all the other players kept on borrowing it to test play with it. One insisted that I allow her take it away for a few days for further review by some of her friends.

[crazy_smasher]

I don't have a digital camera. Perhaps I can ask Inskysport to email some photos to you and you can post them here?

For those who want the pics,
bbesports.com have the lafleche racket pics - i have just seen them
However, only chinese version of the site has it.

http://www.bbesports.com/racket_La_Fleche.htm

Regards

CS

[ryeung]

Do you have the name of the Canadian agent? Thanks.


There is no La Fleche agent in the U.S. There is one in Canada. You can also contact Inskysport by email at inskysport@yahoo.com.hk and order directly from them. :D

[tcstay]

Yes, it is a new brand as it has been released for about 6 months, although they have held the La Fleche name franchise for Hong Kong for sometime. The price is HK$550 for the La Fleche Ti 500 Long and HK$680 for the LF Ti 600, both without strings.
I believe Inskysport has agents for their La Flech racquets in the Philippines, Canada and China.

does the brand have an agent in singapore?

[charzord]

Do you have the name of the Canadian agent? Thanks.
I am also interested about the Canadian agent. Tanepeek makes the racket sound so crazily good :D

[taneepak]

Do you have the name of the Canadian agent? Thanks.

The Canadian agent is Mr Percy Pun, #202-6742 Station Hill Court, Burnaby, B.C. Canada. His email is percypun@shaw.ca.

[taneepak]

For those who want the pics,
bbesports.com have the lafleche racket pics - i have just seen them
However, only chinese version of the site has it.

http://www.bbesports.com/racket_La_Fleche.htm

Regards

CS

Their China agent is bbesports, based in Sanshui (as in 3 water in Cantonese), although he has a store in Beijing. Contact 'phone nos. are 0757-87734440, 87718184, etc. in SanShui and 010-88388225, 88377742, etc in Beijing. The boss is a Cantonese, Mr Chan.

[taneepak]

does the brand have an agent in singapore?

No, they do not have an agent in Singapore. You can contact Inskysport in Hong Kong directly.

[taneepak]

They have an agent in the Philippines, Didi and Ann-Ann R Gullas, Colon Sreet, Cebu City, Philippines. Their contact 'phone nos. 416 8013-14.2532752, cell # 0917 6202011.

[ryeung]

The Canadian agent is Mr Percy Pun, #202-6742 Station Hill Court, Burnaby, B.C. Canada. His email is percypun@shaw.ca.

Thank you. I will email Percy and see if he can provide more info.

[ants]

So far i haven't seen any shops in Manila even in Msia having this racket. May try it one day if given the chance.

[taneepak]

So far i haven't seen any shops in Manila even in Msia having this racket. May try it one day if given the chance.

If you are in the Philippines try to call their agent in Cebu City.

[YY Fan]

Hello Taneepak,

Many thanks for introducing this new racket to us.

It seems you know a lot of Inskysports, are you a salesman of Inskysports instead of a reader ?

[newbi]

wow... the ti 600 looks like mp88... the new color !

[taneepak]

Hello Taneepak,

Many thanks for introducing this new racket to us.

It seems you know a lot of Inskysports, are you a salesman of Inskysports instead of a reader ?

No, I am not a salesman for Inskysport. I got to know them thru my former club (St. George's Badminton Club) when I was a committee member in the earlier years. The Club has been buying shuttles from them for close to 10 years, and we had always managed to squeeze them for the lowest prices. If we could so can you. FYI I don't buy all my badminton gear from them, only those that I can knock down to still lower prices. :D

[charzord]

Thank you. I will email Percy and see if he can provide more info.
Hey, if you get any info abotu the price or anythign else about the racket, please post!!

[taneepak]

I understand that the La Fleche Ti 500 racquets are also available in Aberdeen at 2047 Badminton Store, located somewhere on Old Main St.

[Mr. Anderson]

The LF Ti 500 is currently being sold for $555 and the LF Ti 600 $680 at Inskysports w/o strings. Stringing the racket will cost an additional $80-160 depending on the string you choose.

BTW tried out the Ti 500 and all I can say is that this racket is fabulous. My smashes were significantly faster and had more accuracy. Even this one guy who was using the Armortecd 800OF commented that this is the most powerful racket he ever came across.

[Mr. Anderson]

Here's an not so appropriate analogy on how powerful this racket is.

If the Ti-10 is a machine gun and the AT800OF an automatic rifle, then this one is a .30 calibre sniper rifle.

Tremendous power with deadly accuracy, unlike the other two which have plenty of power but less control.

[roquejo]

Sheez.. I just bought a Yonex AT 800OF at bbesport store at Beijing china just 6 days ago. :( I was right there physically. Had I read this forum, I would have seen, hold, and felt the La Fleche racquet.

In Cebu??? Hmmm... I live in Manila and Philippines is an archipelago... can't reach Cebu unless i rode a plane or boat, it is already like going abroad. :(

Anyway, this new racquet might be good, but Yonex is a prestidge brand here in badminton crazed Philippines.. especially the AT 800. This explains why Yonex racquets here is the most expensive in Asia. Many of us ended up buying Yonex racquets elsewhere in asia at up to 70% less of regular price here.

So owning a Yonex AT here will not only give you an excellent racquet, but a prestidge equipment as well. :)

[charzord]

Do you La Fleche Ti500 users have any more information about this racket?
Eg: Head heavy, weight, recommended strings.......i am planning to buy another racket as a back up for my Tisp Sx, as it is gathering numerous amounts of paintchips due to my bad hitting :D

Thanks

[taneepak]

Do you La Fleche Ti500 users have any more information about this racket?
Eg: Head heavy, weight, recommended strings.......i am planning to buy another racket as a back up for my Tisp Sx, as it is gathering numerous amounts of paintchips due to my bad hitting :D

Thanks

I did not really check when I bought the LF Ti 500, as I was not interested in its original balance point because I will always change the balance point with the racquet fully "loaded". In other words with the racquet fully strung, original grip stripped and replaced with new grip, some mass of the handle reduced if necessary, and then adjusting the butt end to attain the desired balance point.
I have tried 3 LF Ti 500, the original 2U version loaned to me by Inskysport, another 3U version a friend of mine bought, and my own 3U racquet. I changed the balance points of all three racquets, bringing improvements to all three. The 2U has a changed balance point of 30.6cm, total weight 94.8g, the second one 31.4cm b/p, weight 91.5g, and my own racquet has a b/p of 31.3cm, weight 89.8g. My own racquet is more powerful than the other two despite its lighter weight. All three racquets were strung with BG66 string, the first one at 22/24 lbs, the second 22.5/24.5 lbs, and 23/25 lbs on my racquet. The two 3U were slightly modified and are better than the 2U in repulsion power. I did not make any modification to the 2U except the balance point.
I think the racquet can withstand a wide spread of balance point, provided you don't go below 27cm or above 33cm, because it has so much power that you can afford to lose some from any badly adjusted balance point.

[Yipom]

For the People who have E-mailed Percy Pun, did u guys find out the price of this racquet in $CND?

and Jus wondering, is this racquet Long or Standard??

[proxy]

I did not really check when I bought the LF Ti 500, as I was not interested in its original balance point because I will always change the balance point with the racquet fully "loaded". In other words with the racquet fully strung, original grip stripped and replaced with new grip, some mass of the handle reduced if necessary, and then adjusting the butt end to attain the desired balance point.
I have tried 3 LF Ti 500, the original 2U version loaned to me by Inskysport, another 3U version a friend of mine bought, and my own 3U racquet. I changed the balance points of all three racquets, bringing improvements to all three. The 2U has a changed balance point of 30.6cm, total weight 94.8g, the second one 31.4cm b/p, weight 91.5g, and my own racquet has a b/p of 31.3cm, weight 89.8g. My own racquet is more powerful than the other two despite its lighter weight. All three racquets were strung with BG66 string, the first one at 22/24 lbs, the second 22.5/24.5 lbs, and 23/25 lbs on my racquet. The two 3U were slightly modified and are better than the 2U in repulsion power. I did not make any modification to the 2U except the balance point.
I think the racquet can withstand a wide spread of balance point, provided you don't go below 27cm or above 33cm, because it has so much power that you can afford to lose some from any badly adjusted balance point.
how do you determine the balance points & string tensions to achieve you're desired 'effects' on the racket?
it seems to me that you can modify a racket just like a gun( ..just an analogy) to suits your playing style..
kindly enlighten us, this is something new esp. to me ..

[worms]

So far i haven't seen any shops in Manila even in Msia having this racket. May try it one day if given the chance. hi ants! If you want to purchase la fleche products in the phillipines jst look for edward cel no. 09176211168 we have all the models of la fleche rackets and shuttlecocks...

[taneepak]

The LF Ti 500 has just come out with a 4U version. I have asked to try it out. I would like to find out how it will compare with my own 3U racquet, which I like to believe is the top dog of the LF Ti 500 pack, well at least it is unbeatable up to now. I might have to find an optimum balance point commensurate with the 4U's lighter weight to get at the ideal sweet spot. I have been given quite a free hand to do some tests, short of breaking it. :cool: :D

[taneepak]

For the People who have E-mailed Percy Pun, did u guys find out the price of this racquet in $CND?

and Jus wondering, is this racquet Long or Standard??

I took my LF Ti 500 and used a tape to measure its length. It is quite a long racquet, measuring about 678mm long. But its shaft is also extremely long, coming in at about 227mm long.

[Mr. Anderson]

Well you still didn't answer how you could change the balance points with just the strings alone. I'd love to hear that.

But honestly though, if the balance points were the same on the rackets and the same strings were used at the same tensions, wouldn't the 2U version produce more power? (And more durable right?)

[taneepak]

Well you still didn't answer how you could change the balance points with just the strings alone. I'd love to hear that.

But honestly though, if the balance points were the same on the rackets and the same strings were used at the same tensions, wouldn't the 2U version produce more power? (And more durable right?)

The strings is only one of many factors that affect the balance point. It may surprise you that having the same balance point does not necessarily mean a heavier racquet will have more power. A heavy racquet with a balance point of say 31.5cm will probably be less powerful than a lighter racquet with the same 31.5cm b/p. But a heavy racquet with a b/p of 28.5cm will generally out-perform a lighter racquet with the same b/p. Besides b/p-and here we have been talking only about static balance point-there is also the perception of swingweight. Somtimes a heavier racquet feels lighter than a lighter racquet when you swing it. The key is determining the ideal sweet spot. Playing and testing with balance points and perceived swingweight help to find this illusive goal. Durability is a moot point here. All the LF Ti 500, whether 4U or 2U can be strung to 28lbs easily, even on 2-point machines.

[charzord]

For the People who have E-mailed Percy Pun, did u guys find out the price of this racquet in $CND?

and Jus wondering, is this racquet Long or Standard??
Hi,
Mr. Pun just replied to me and he stated that he had computer problems and he said he'll send me the information on around the 11th.....I think you should email him yourself if you want first-hand information :p

[cooler]

Hi,
Mr. Pun just replied to me and he stated that he had computer problems and he said he'll send me the information on around the 11th.....I think you should email him yourself if you want first-hand information :p

how big is this company anyway :confused: :D :p

PS a 10 year old has a more reliable pc than that. :D
hmmm, he can reply today but not tomorrow :rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

Well a 2U would have a better chance of survival if it clashed, right?

Also you STILL haven't told us on the issue of changing the balance point. I'm really curious to know!!! (PM me if you want to keep it private)

[taneepak]

I just got a 4U LF Ti 500 Super Light racquet, had it strung an hour ago and re-balanced it to 31cm, and adjusted the total weight to 87.1g. The colour scheme of this lighter 4U racquet is different, with light shades of purple on the outer rim and white on the inner rim of the frame. The shaft is also light purple and white. The ladies would love it, but I might feel a bit sheepish when I try it out to-morrow morning.

[Wai Shing]

So what conclusion did you come to, tanepak? :D

[taneepak]

So what conclusion did you come to, tanepak? :D

I never had a chance to even test it. A lady player took it from me because of the looks-nice pastel purple/white colour scheme-and played with it the whole session. I found it hard to refuse. Not only that, after the session she asked me for a favour : could I let her have the racquet for 3 days to allow her young daughter to test it? Again I could not refuse. After 3 days she 'phoned and told me she wanted to keep the racquet to give it as a reward for her daughter who did extremely well in some recent school exams. She told me she took my racquet with her daughter to have a badminton training session under Ng Sung Yuen. Incidentally Mr Ng is quite a formidable player despite his advanced age. Some say he is a former top Indonesian or Chinese player. Needless to say my racquet was handed to Mr Ng for a more thorough scrutiny and he was very impressed. Well that seals the fate of my racquet-she wanted it as a reward for her daughter and I had to let her have it for the same price I paid. I had to buy another one yesterday, but this one is about 2g heavier at 84.6g. I have just got it strung this morning and will have a session Monday morning.

[newbi]

was the lady attractive taneepak??? :rolleyes:

i m just playing .. hehe

and 4U rackets.. hmmm i love them! let me know how it compares to other 4U rackets in terms of manuvebility (sp).. and power.. (ie. AT800 DF 4U)

if its very manuveible with excellent power (like the at800 df).. then it is definately a good one!

Newbi



I never had a chance to even test it. A lady player took it from me because of the looks-nice pastel purple/white colour scheme-and played with it the whole session. I found it hard to refuse. Not only that, after the session she asked me for a favour : could I let her have the racquet for 3 days to allow her young daughter to test it? Again I could not refuse. After 3 days she 'phoned and told me she wanted to keep the racquet to give it as a reward for her daughter who did extremely well in some recent school exams. She told me she took my racquet with her daughter to have a badminton training session under Ng Sung Yuen. Incidentally Mr Ng is quite a formidable player despite his advanced age. Some say he is a former top Indonesian or Chinese player. Needless to say my racquet was handed to Mr Ng for a more thorough scrutiny and he was very impressed. Well that seals the fate of my racquet-she wanted it as a reward for her daughter and I had to let her have it for the same price I paid. I had to buy another one yesterday, but this one is about 2g heavier at 84.6g. I have just got it strung this morning and will have a session Monday morning.

[mtakako]

Just got a reply form percy. The racket was quoted at 112 cdn not including shipping or strings.




For the People who have E-mailed Percy Pun, did u guys find out the price of this racquet in $CND?

and Jus wondering, is this racquet Long or Standard??

[Super~ME!]

For those who want the pics,
bbesports.com have the lafleche racket pics - i have just seen them
However, only chinese version of the site has it.

http://www.bbesports.com/racket_La_Fleche.htm

Regards

CS
the racquets look ok although some are pretty nice-looking like the 300 400 and 600Ti....but i'd still prefer Yonex colour schemes an designs..:p ...they should be pretty durable too right since they have tungsten and nickel which are relatively strong materials....:rolleyes:

[cards_pro]

So, what is the shipping cost to GTA? And, is $112 include the GST & PST ?:confused:

[ryeung]

This is what I got from Percy :

LF-Ti500:

Red and black.
Nick titanium and Tungsten. 3U-G4
About 675 mm long with slightly isometric head.
Shaft is about 222 mm long, with width progressing from 7.0 mm to 7.5 mm in the mid section and finally to 8.0 mm close to the handle.
Designed to maximize power towards the top of the racket. Quite good for attacking.
Slightly head heavy (i think) with the original grip.
Up to 28lbs.
CND $112. Not including strings. Plus shipping.


LF-Ti600:

Blue.
Tungsten. 3U-G4
Super long, about 680 mm.
Unique Groove design for head. Increase power by 20% Special flexible shaft. 214 mm long Well balanced.
Up to 28lbs.
CND $137. Not including strings. Plus shipping.

[outlah]

I also got the same reply, but Percy doesn't have the shipping cost yet. I wouldn't mind paying 112+shipping right now, but it would be slightly too much if I have to add taxes on top. To the people around GTA interested in ordering one from Percy, we should get together and make one large order, that way, we can save on shipping and maybe a slight discount? :rolleyes:
Would love to get one before X'mas, but...

taneepak, is the 4U being sold in HK, or just available to special people? I might ask someone to pick one up for me in January

[cards_pro]

I also got the same reply, but Percy doesn't have the shipping cost yet. I wouldn't mind paying 112+shipping right now, but it would be slightly too much if I have to add taxes on top. To the people around GTA interested in ordering one from Percy, we should get together and make one large order, that way, we can save on shipping and maybe a slight discount? :rolleyes:
Would love to get one before X'mas, but...

taneepak, is the 4U being sold in HK, or just available to special people? I might ask someone to pick one up for me in January
Good Idea! That may save some money! Count me in. ;)

[charzord]

Im in, but how can we make sure we all get our rackets respectively?

[chobo]

when i checked out pics of the la fleche racquets on bbesports.com, the ti100 and the 500 had exactly same paint jobs except the numbers. what's the difference between them?

[Mr. Anderson]

when i checked out pics of the la fleche racquets on bbesports.com, the ti100 and the 500 had exactly same paint jobs except the numbers. what's the difference between them?
-The 500 has the telescopic shaft
-The 100 is much softer than the 500
-The 100 uses graphite instead of high modulus graphite
-The 100 has Muscle Power bumps, the 500 doesn't

[chobo]

between the 600ti and the 500ti, which is better in power and which is better in control? what is the stiffness of these racquets? and isn't muscle power bumps a good thing?

[taneepak]

between the 600ti and the 500ti, which is better in power and which is better in control? what is the stiffness of these racquets? and isn't muscle power bumps a good thing?

Both the Ti 500 and Ti 600 are very good, the former is strictly for doubles and the latter for singles play although the Ti 600 can be used in doubles. The 500 is better in the sheer ferocity of its smash especially nearer the net, the 600 is better in both attacking and defensive clears and also packs a powerful smash only marginally below, but not as sharp/steep as, the 500. Basically one is designed strictly for doubles, the other is designed strictly for singles but can double up as a doubles racquet. Both are good in control and their shots and placement are very precise and solid. The Ti 500 is not as good in rapid return of smashes but is a terror near the net.
I haven't tried the others, so I cannot comment. The Ti 500 uses a combination of nickel and titanium, which is different from Yonex's UltimumTi (also nickel/titanium), plus tungsten and a weird "telescopic" shaft which is more like three different shafts joined into a single shaft, which I suspect accounts for its whip-like smash.

[outlah]

Any verdicts on the 4U?

[taneepak]

Any verdicts on the 4U?

The 4U is similar to the 3U, lighter and slightly more maneuverable and a little less powerful. The colour scheme of the 4U I find a bit too feminine for me. But some people just love it. It now goes to my wife. I prefer the more manly looking red-blooded 3U. Will test the 4U vs 3U more thoroughly coming saturday.

[newbi]

The 4U is similar to the 3U, lighter and slightly more maneuverable and a little less powerful. The colour scheme of the 4U I find a bit too feminine for me. But some people just love it. It now goes to my wife. I prefer the more manly looking red-blooded 3U. Will test the 4U vs 3U more thoroughly coming saturday.

how is the power and maneuverability of the 4U compare to at800 DF?

[taneepak]

how is the power and maneuverability of the 4U compare to at800 DF?

It is more powerful than the AT800DE, just as fast and maneuverability just as good. The LF 4U is a real killer at the net or in putting down half court smashes, its shots are steep. It is also very good in drop shots. But I just don't like the colour.

[outlah]

I have email Percy about buying multiple racquets, let me know if you "want" one, I'll see what kind of payment Percy accepts and I might be willing to front up the cash. So far, I have 2 commited(friends). PM me if you "want" one. Shipping charge for UPS ground is about $25-30CAD for a 14lb box(5-6days). The more people, the cheaper the shipping per person.

[taneepak]

I played for about 2 hours this evening doing more testing on my LF Ti 500 Super Light 4U racquet. This time I re-adjusted the balance point and weight, with the new type BG66 string strunged at 23/25lbs, to 30.2cm and 86g, respectively. The balance point w/o the string was 29.3cm.
And what a revelation! I simply find this racquet quite astonishing. It has almost the same wicked power of the LF Ti 500 2U and 3U. But it has more-like lightning fast reflexes and very powerful drives and such beautiful drops. With the heavier 2U and 3U you would be hard-pressed to clear or smash if you find yourself fully stretched. But this lightweight gem even allows you to make attacking clears and powerful smashes even if you are stretched to the limits or find yourself out of position. It is very light too, weighing in a grand total of only 86g, and that includes the racquet, string and original grip.
This little gem was tested by about six players, three couldn't handle what they consider was its extreme lightweight but the other three were as astonished as I was at its superlative performance. What is astonishing is that its power does not come from a high swingweight, because it doesn't have a high swingweight, and its shots sound like mini explosions with a beautiful resonant sound. Unlike its heavier brother 2U and 3U, this 4U should also be ideal for singles as well as doubles. If you are looking for the best of the AT800DE and AT800OF, this is it, and I think it is even better. But borrow one and test it before buying one. Some may find the extreme lightness of the racquet difficult to handle, especially if they are used to high swingweight racquets.
I am sold on the racquet. I will now see if I can use a red permanent marking pen to apply a topcoat over this racquet to make it less sissy-looking.

[CanuckBur]

I e-mailed Percy a few days ago regarding prices in the GVRD, but there is still no response from him. If he is living in Burnaby then may be it is cheaper here and easier to buy the racquet. Is his computer still broken ? :( I am hoping to get his response before the boxing day. (cross-fingers).

[chobo]

yeah, wut's wrong with that percy guy...he doesn't reply...

[tcstay]

ok, i've tried this la fleche ti500 and i must say that it's a pretty good racquet (for me) as it is very responsive... and value for money at the price.

[Loh]

ok, i've tried this la fleche ti500 and i must say that it's a pretty good racquet (for me) as it is very responsive... and value for money at the price.

Same question you've asked. Is it available in S'pore and what is the Ti500 price? :D

[taneepak]

Same question you've asked. Is it available in S'pore and what is the Ti500 price? :D

There are actually two versions of the La Fleche Ti500. One comes in 2U and 3U, has a red colour scheme, a slightly thicker and longer shaft. The other version comes in only 4U, has a light purple/pearl white colour scheme that looks a bit femiline, and has a slightly slimmer shaft as well as a 4mm shorter shaft. Both are based on the "telescopic" 3-section shaft for their wicked smashing and clearing power, and both have the same material composition. Both can be strung to 28lbs but they feel like they can take 35lbs easily. Stringing them at medium high tension of 24/26lbs doesn't make them difficult to handle, even for very young kids and girls, very unlike other racquets. I suspect the bend of the shaft at the front, instead of bending in the middle, in a power stroke takes away the feeling of hardness of the stringbed. The red one is a doubles weapon and the lighter colour one is good for both singles and doubles, the latter one literally allowing you to smash even when you are so hard-pushed with no backswing.
They are currently not available in Singapore. I believe a few visitors from Singapore bought them in Hong Kong when they were here, just like some of the others in England, Canada and the Philippines. They sell for HK$555 each, without strings but includes a frame-head cover, which is used for warming up, and a carrying bag.

[tcstay]

There are actually two versions of the La Fleche Ti500. One comes in 2U and 3U, has a red colour scheme, a slightly thicker and longer shaft. The other version comes in only 4U, has a light purple/pearl white colour scheme that looks a bit femiline, and has a slightly slimmer shaft as well as a 4mm shorter shaft. Both are based on the "telescopic" 3-section shaft for their wicked smashing and clearing power, and both have the same material composition. Both can be strung to 28lbs but they feel like they can take 35lbs easily. Stringing them at medium high tension of 24/26lbs doesn't make them difficult to handle, even for very young kids and girls, very unlike other racquets. I suspect the bend of the shaft at the front, instead of bending in the middle, in a power stroke takes away the feeling of hardness of the stringbed. The red one is a doubles weapon and the lighter colour one is good for both singles and doubles, the latter one literally allowing you to smash even when you are so hard-pushed with no backswing.
They are currently not available in Singapore. I believe a few visitors from Singapore bought them in Hong Kong when they were here, just like some of the others in England, Canada and the Philippines. They sell for HK$555 each, without strings but includes a frame-head cover, which is used for warming up, and a carrying bag.

in response to both Loh and taneepak, i asked my friend to help me buy the ti-500 from hongkong, haha, a true-blue crazy racquet-tester and 'collector'.... mine is 2U as i greatly prefer heavier racquets....

this racquet exceeded my expectations as it is a really responsive racquet, in my opinion, as it generates this shiok 'plonk' sound, a very alive feel to it... that's what i've been looking for. (and similarly found this in ti-10 and at700 as of now...)

but after the clash (no structural damage, but huge paint chip), my heart is like stabbed by thousand daggers manz..... ouch!!!!!

[Sealman]

You can get more information here:

http://www.luxissportnet.com/lafleche.php

:)

[Loh]

in response to both Loh and taneepak, i asked my friend to help me buy the ti-500 from hongkong, haha, a true-blue crazy racquet-tester and 'collector'.... mine is 2U as i greatly prefer heavier racquets....

this racquet exceeded my expectations as it is a really responsive racquet, in my opinion, as it generates this shiok 'plonk' sound, a very alive feel to it... that's what i've been looking for. (and similarly found this in ti-10 and at700 as of now...)

but after the clash (no structural damage, but huge paint chip), my heart is like stabbed by thousand daggers manz..... ouch!!!!!

My heart also pains after reading your last para. :crying:

Now since you've already used it, chipped the paintwork, when can we 'test' your racquet? Can't really do what taneepak can with his test rackets, the most bewildering one being his bp??? :confused: Wonder what colour is your Ti500? If it is the 'sissy' look that taneepak described and disliked, perhaps this is a good time to 'repaint' for a more masculine appearance? :D

[WhyrlWynd]

i also wanna test the ti500 :) maybe bring it on wed's session? :D

[Loh]

i also wanna test the ti500 :) maybe bring it on wed's session? :D

Aha! Wed session? Kindly reveal venue and time, of course with our proud new racket owner's permission. ;)

[WhyrlWynd]

Aha! Wed session? Kindly reveal venue and time, of course with our proud new racket owner's permission. ;)
i think it's better if tcstay reply to this :D he's also the organiser.

[tcstay]

My heart also pains after reading your last para. :crying:

Now since you've already used it, chipped the paintwork, when can we 'test' your racquet? Can't really do what taneepak can with his test rackets, the most bewildering one being his bp??? :confused: Wonder what colour is your Ti500? is the 'sissy' look that If it taneepak described and disliked, perhaps this is a good time to 'repaint' for a more masculine appearance? :D

oh, mine is the 'normal' red colour that u see on the bbesports website... not too dark and definitely not pink...

oh yes, i would like to 'repaint' the paint chip part... *bawls*

do you think those experts who do the spray-painting on models can help me? kekeke... thought of going to bras basah and go to the shop to seek help....

[tcstay]

i think it's better if tcstay reply to this :D he's also the organiser.

haha, no prob! yoz, btw, you saw me playing even after 1pm yesterday right? even with my sprained back... becoz my friend wanted to test out the racquet, that's why i have to stroke with him... now almost immobilised... haha...

of coz, sure, if Loh doesn't mind the distance and timing, he can come and join us... it will be next wednesday at tampines sports hall 11am-1pm... will post an announcement soon in the forum...

my racquet 'old' already... i really dislike my racq to have paint chips....

[Loh]

haha, no prob! yoz, btw, you saw me playing even after 1pm yesterday right? even with my sprained back... becoz my friend wanted to test out the racquet, that's why i have to stroke with him... now almost immobilised... haha...

of coz, sure, if Loh doesn't mind the distance and timing, he can come and join us... it will be next wednesday at tampines sports hall 11am-1pm... will post an announcement soon in the forum...

my racquet 'old' already... i really dislike my racq to have paint chips....

Thanks for your offer! Unfortunately poor souls like us have to work to earn a living! So the time isn't quite right.

I've played at Tampines not too long ago, just before Kwun's visit here for our BC gathering. It was our NZ BFer, Explorer 123, who invited us there. As I recall, there are many courts there.

Well, don't be too sad. So long as she gives you good service, a chip here and there should not make too much of a difference. Please take good care of her and she will do your bidding faithfully! :D

[tcstay]

Thanks for your offer! Unfortunately poor souls like us have to work to earn a living! So the time isn't quite right.

I've played at Tampines not too long ago, just before Kwun's visit here for our BC gathering. It was our NZ BFer, Explorer 123, who invited us there. As I recall, there are many courts there.

Well, don't be too sad. So long as she gives you good service, a chip here and there should not make too much of a difference. Please take good care of her and she will do your bidding faithfully! :D

yep, there's plentiful of courts in tampines... i think it's the most in singapore.. but the last few courts have confusing and distracting lines (meant for bball)... so gotta be quick, book early.. haha!

ya lor, actually i kinda expected that. no choice, coz i'm having holidays now... actually i dun mind booking weekend courts, but they're kinda too expensive to worth the money, and also have to book really early to avoid disappointment leh... Jurong East sessions are too far for me liao... too bad...

haha! i can sense that you are a way better player than me... i'll be grateful to pick up a few pointers from you man...

yep, nothing is perfect in this world. a paint chip won't hurt that much over time... and i can see that this is a very strong racquet... won't 'buckle under pressure'.. hahah! ultimate survivor manz... i'll keep it and use it just like my at700 and ti10 unless my friends is extremely interested and dun mind the chip...

[WhyrlWynd]

haha, no prob! yoz, btw, you saw me playing even after 1pm yesterday right? even with my sprained back... becoz my friend wanted to test out the racquet, that's why i have to stroke with him... now almost immobilised... haha...

of coz, sure, if Loh doesn't mind the distance and timing, he can come and join us... it will be next wednesday at tampines sports hall 11am-1pm... will post an announcement soon in the forum...

my racquet 'old' already... i really dislike my racq to have paint chips....
haha, do more stretching exercise! :P anyway, bring the racket on wednesday, i wanna try it :D

[tcstay]

haha, do more stretching exercise! :P anyway, bring the racket on wednesday, i wanna try it :D

of coz, no prob, i'll bring it! (now cannot stretch, still hurts a lot....)

[taneepak]

tcstay, if you can get your La Fleche Ti 500 to Hong Kong, I will upgrade it without any charge. :D

[tcstay]

tcstay, if you can get your La Fleche Ti 500 to Hong Kong, I will upgrade it without any charge. :D

geez, thanks! but haha, no such luck and money to travel to there...

i'll make do with what i have. furthermore, it's a solid racquet and there's nothing much else i could ask from it... kekeke....

merry x'mas to all!

[WhyrlWynd]

maybe if we can get enough people (at least around 10) to be interested in buying the la fleche rackets, taneepak can help us buy and send it to us? ;) more rackets = less shipping charges for everyone :D aka Mass Order (MO)

oh ya, Merry Christmas!

[taneepak]

maybe if we can get enough people (at least around 10) to be interested in buying the la fleche rackets, taneepak can help us buy and send it to us? ;) more rackets = less shipping charges for everyone :D aka Mass Order (MO)

oh ya, Merry Christmas!

No, that is not a good idea. With so many budget airlines flying between Singapore and Hong Kong, it might be as inexpensive and certainly more enjoyable for one of you to come here and buy for the group.

[taneepak]

geez, thanks! but haha, no such luck and money to travel to there...

i'll make do with what i have. furthermore, it's a solid racquet and there's nothing much else i could ask from it... kekeke....

merry x'mas to all!

I have two La Fleche Ti500, one a red 3U, the other a light purple/pearl white 4U (for my wife), but I don't get to keep them long. My mates keep wanting my second hand LF racquets, even those with a paint chip. And I resold them at the same HK$555 plus the HK$65 of my own stringing. So far five of my racquets have gone this way.
I now have a very interesting problem with my regular doubles opponent. He insisted on buying my upgraded 3U LF Ti500 despite a smelly and worn grip, which I eventually agreed. I then bought another new replacement, upgraded to an even better racquet than the one I sold him. He tried it two days ago but thought that the one he bought from me was better. But all the other players thought otherwise. He wants me to make slight changes to my current 3U racquet to match exactly the one he got from me earlier, because he wants another exact replica of the one he has. I told him no because I don't think it makes any sense to downgrade (in my opinion) my racquet's performance. BTW he is a power player and is extremely fit, smashing all the time. The LF he has weighs 89.5g and has a balance point of 31.3cm. The one I now have weighs 89.2g, with a balance point of 30.5cm. Both are strung with New BG66 at 24/26lbs. My racquet has lower second motion and is more maneuverable. I can of course change it to his specs but I must try to convince him first. :D

[taneepak]

....... The LF he has weighs 89.5g and has a balance point of 31.3cm. The one I now have weighs 89.2g, with a balance point of 30.5cm. Both are strung with New BG66 at 24/26lbs. My racquet has lower second motion and is more maneuverable. I can of course change it to his specs but I must try to convince him first. :D

Sorry for the error "second motion", it should read second moment.

[taneepak]

We expect to have a visitor, Jurong_twister, from Singapore next week. He will be given an opportunity to test the freh-off-the-shelves La Fleche Ti 500 3U and 4U and then compare them with my own 3U and 4U. If he agrees, I will ask him to meet up with you chaps back in Singapore and try out the La Fleche Ti 500 2U that is already in Singapore. The 3-way comparison will be interesting, although I am confident which ones will come out the winners. :D

[WhyrlWynd]

:eek: must get him to bring back 10 each(3U and 4U)! :D

[outlah]

taneepak, what more can you tell us about La Flèche brand? Do they design their own racquets? How long they've been in the market? Where they're located. Just wondering, because there doesn't seem to be anything on them on the net.

[taneepak]

taneepak, what more can you tell us about La Flèche brand? Do they design their own racquets? How long they've been in the market? Where they're located. Just wondering, because there doesn't seem to be anything on them on the net.

I have been told that the design of the La Fleche Ti 500 and its 3-section shaft is a Danish design, from a company that sounds like Denkano. The La Fleche name is also from a Danish company, I believe. Inskysport has the franchise for both the racquet and the name. However, the use of the materials in the racquet, tungsten, nickel and titanium is from another source, probably Japanese, because I do recollect playing with such a racquet which was made in Japan but which played terribly. The proposed grommet change to restrict the bottom grommets 7 to a single string and enlarge the bottom grommets 6 to allow two strings to pass, which will be implemented in the next production run, came from me. A contract racquet manufacturer to a Japanese company also contributed to enhancing the sweetspot for the 4U version of the LF Ti 500.
The racquet has been in the market for about 8 months. That is about all I know.

[outlah]

The proposed grommet change to restrict the bottom grommets 7 to a single string and enlarge the bottom grommets 6 to allow two strings to pass, which will be implemented in the next production run, came from me.


Could you elaborate more on this change. Whats the reason for it?

If you can only have one ti500, which will you choose, the 3U or 4U?

[taneepak]

Could you elaborate more on this change. Whats the reason for it?

If you can only have one ti500, which will you choose, the 3U or 4U?

Re the grommet thing, I have covered this in some detail in one of the earlier threads. Simply put, it is to put a stop to the tension loss on one side of the mains and to prevent any unevenly balanced tension on one side of the main string.
For this I suggest you step back and have a closer look at the 4 knots of a strung racquet. The main string finishes with two tie-off knots, one knot on each side, with each knot exerting a pull-back force at the bottom grommets 8, pulling the string from the edge inwards. This is good as the strung main string is "balanced".
Now we come to the cross, starting with the cross starting knot at the top grommet 6 and ending with the cross tie-off knot at the traditional bottom grommet 7. Try to visualize what will happen to the main string at grommet 6 with the starting knot pulling it outwards, compounded by the finishing tie-off knot pulling the main string outwards through the bottom grommet 7. The main string on the side with the two cross knots-starting and tie-off-is literally being pulled one way by these two knots. Transferring the cross finishing tie-off knot from the bottom grommet 7 to 6 reverses the "two chaps (knots) pulling in the same direction" to a "tug-of-war" status, which prevents tension loss as well as avoiding any unbalanced side tension.
I hope you are still with me. Even the racquet manufacturer had some doubts initially but has been brought around.
The 3U and 4U are both equally good. The 3U is strictly a doubles racquet and the 4U is excellent for both doubles and singles. It is hard to choose between the two, so I got both, the 4U for my wife although I do use it. Although the 2U/3U and the 4U are the same model, they are subtly different. If forced to choose only one, I will choose the 4U.

[outlah]

:mad: I HATE YOU! Why did you have to bring up this design flaw? Now I will KNOW the soon-to-be-in-my-hand 3U is DEFECTIVE! I will get this sick feeling everytime I hold it in my hand, and my skills will go down because it's not PERFECT. :crying: Do you have a work around by any chance? And does this affect both the 3U and 4U, or just the 3U? :( Now that you have pursuade them to change the design, when will we expect to see the new batch with the modified grommets? :o I like to know because I have already ordered a 3U with 2 other BC members, and if it performs as well as you say, I will ask a co-worker to bring me back a few more in mid-january when she makes a brief stop in HK. :) Hopefully by then, the new batch would be ready? *cross fingers* By the way, doesn't this mean you helped *design* the Ti500? Maybe I should have you sign my Ti500, and I'll show all my friends and say "look! my racquet is signed by the designer himself! $300USD if you want to buy it." :D

You mentioned that the 3U is slightly longer and more powerful, but the 4U is more maneuverable. That sounds like the 3U is more for singles and 4U for doubles, no? :confused:

[taneepak]

:mad: I HATE YOU! Why did you have to bring up this design flaw? Now I will KNOW the soon-to-be-in-my-hand 3U is DEFECTIVE! I will get this sick feeling everytime I hold it in my hand, and my skills will go down because it's not PERFECT. :crying: Do you have a work around by any chance? And does this affect both the 3U and 4U, or just the 3U? :( Now that you have pursuade them to change the design, when will we expect to see the new batch with the modified grommets? :o I like to know because I have already ordered a 3U with 2 other BC members, and if it performs as well as you say, I will ask a co-worker to bring me back a few more in mid-january when she makes a brief stop in HK. :) Hopefully by then, the new batch would be ready? *cross fingers* By the way, doesn't this mean you helped *design* the Ti500? Maybe I should have you sign my Ti500, and I'll show all my friends and say "look! my racquet is signed by the designer himself! $300USD if you want to buy it." :D

You mentioned that the 3U is slightly longer and more powerful, but the 4U is more maneuverable. That sounds like the 3U is more for singles and 4U for doubles, no? :confused:

Almost all racquets, including Yonex and others, are currently designed with larger grommets at the bottom grommets 7, and I wouldn't call them a design flaw. Some even have larger grommets at both bottom grommets 6 and 7. Intentionally making the bottom grommets 7 smaller and 6 bigger is a slight improvement and in the right direction, I think. It could also be the first time it is being done. Don't you agree? BTW, my two LF Ti500, 3U and 4U, do not have the larger grommets 6. I make do with using the bottom grommet 7 for my cross finishing tie-off knot. No, I play no part in the design, simply because the grommet thing is not a fundamental change.
The 3U and 4U are exactly of the same length. The 4U, being lighter, had to adopt a slightly shorter shaft (4mm-5mm) and slightly slimmer shaft on one of the 3-sections part of the shaft to make it playable. I understand it costs more to make a LF Ti500 4U than a 2U or 3U, probably because of the tungsten material.
The 3U is more of an attacking weapon with powerful smashes that go down at a sharper angle. The designer designs the 2U and 3U for doubles power play. The 4U is not as powerful but it still has amazing repulsion power. Although the 4U, like the 2U and 3U, is also specifically designed for doubles it turns out that it is also ideal for singles, especially for those who prefer lighter racquets. A crude way of describing it is the 2U and 3U represents more of the AT800 OF and some of the AT800DE, the 4U has more of the AT800DE (in fact better) and some of the AT800OF. Both 2U, 3U and 4U are better than the two AT800, in my opinion. I have an AT800DE, AT700, two MP99 which neither my wife nor I now use.
The new production batch will take sometime, so don't hold your breath. The racquet manufacturer says that he has to order/fabricate new moulds for the grommet change, which I don't quite understand as I thought the grommet holes are drilled at the finishing stage.

[taneepak]

Outlah, the new grommet system on the LF Ti500 should come out within two weeks. As suspected, the new grommet change does not involve any mould change. All it takes is just telling the grommet drillers what to change. The manufacturer was initially reluctant to change something he has been used to, and suggested making just one prototype of the new grommet system for testing before changing wholesale. I told Inskysport this was a waste of time and strongly suggested he should tell the manufacturer to just go ahead, failing that he should then go to other manufacturers who are more enlightened.
So, your new TF Ti500 that you intend to get early next year should have the new grommet system. Make sure your friend knows how to tell the difference between the new and the old.

[Mr. Anderson]

Almost all racquets, including Yonex and others, are currently designed with larger grommets at the bottom grommets 7, and I wouldn't call them a design flaw. Some even have larger grommets at both bottom grommets 6 and 7. Intentionally making the bottom grommets 7 smaller and 6 bigger is a slight improvement and in the right direction, I think. It could also be the first time it is being done. Don't you agree? BTW, my two LF Ti500, 3U and 4U, do not have the larger grommets 6. I make do with using the bottom grommet 7 for my cross finishing tie-off knot. No, I play no part in the design, simply because the grommet thing is not a fundamental change.
The 3U and 4U are exactly of the same length. The 4U, being lighter, had to adopt a slightly shorter shaft (4mm-5mm) and slightly slimmer shaft on one of the 3-sections part of the shaft to make it playable. I understand it costs more to make a LF Ti500 4U than a 2U or 3U, probably because of the tungsten material.
The 3U is more of an attacking weapon with powerful smashes that go down at a sharper angle. The designer designs the 2U and 3U for doubles power play. The 4U is not as powerful but it still has amazing repulsion power. Although the 4U, like the 2U and 3U, is also specifically designed for doubles it turns out that it is also ideal for singles, especially for those who prefer lighter racquets. A crude way of describing it is the 2U and 3U represents more of the AT800 OF and some of the AT800DE, the 4U has more of the AT800DE (in fact better) and some of the AT800OF. Both 2U, 3U and 4U are better than the two AT800, in my opinion. I have an AT800DE, AT700, two MP99 which neither my wife nor I now use.
The new production batch will take sometime, so don't hold your breath. The racquet manufacturer says that he has to order/fabricate new moulds for the grommet change, which I don't quite understand as I thought the grommet holes are drilled at the finishing stage.
Since you don't use those rackets anymore, how about givin' them to me? *Drools* :p
C'mon, I know you want to! :D

BTW, how do you read Inskysports, is it In-sky-sports or Ins-key-sports?

[[Trin]Kenshin]

UGH... so is there a way for those who have already bought a LF-Ti500 to manually enlarge the 6th grommet? I have this sick feeling that the racquet I just bought will be slightly less of a performer than the one someone else will buy in just 2 weeks time!!!!! :mad:

It took me forever to find the store in Mang Kok and I will be going back to Canada in 2 days time so it's difficult for me to get the updated racquet...not to mention I am not particularly wealthy enough to buy another racquet at this time. Any suggestions tan? :o

[taneepak]

Since you don't use those rackets anymore, how about givin' them to me? *Drools* :p
C'mon, I know you want to! :D

BTW, how do you read Inskysports, is it In-sky-sports or Ins-key-sports?

I do give racquets away, usually to more needy players who know me.
The correct name is Inskysport. :D

[taneepak]

Kenshin']UGH... so is there a way for those who have already bought a LF-Ti500 to manually enlarge the 6th grommet? I have this sick feeling that the racquet I just bought will be slightly less of a performer than the one someone else will buy in just 2 weeks time!!!!! :mad:

It took me forever to find the store in Mang Kok and I will be going back to Canada in 2 days time so it's difficult for me to get the updated racquet...not to mention I am not particularly wealthy enough to buy another racquet at this time. Any suggestions tan? :o

No, there is no way you can enlarge the 6th bottom grommets and at the same time reduce the already enlarged bottom grommets no. 7. You need to have both, enlarged grommets 6 and small grommets 7, to maintain the same structural integrity of the frame. However, it is possible for the racquet manufacturer to enlarge grommets 6 and have them fitted with larger grommets, with the enlarged grommets 7 remaining unchanged. This will weaken the frame at the throat slightly. Besides the extra costs, it is just not worth the while. The manufacturer may not want to do this.
You are worrying unnecessarily over a very trivial thing. I don't think you can tell the difference between the two. If it is any comfort to you, all other racquets in the market are in the same boat. :D

[outlah]

Outlah, the new grommet system on the LF Ti500 should come out within two weeks. As suspected, the new grommet change does not involve any mould change. All it takes is just telling the grommet drillers what to change. The manufacturer was initially reluctant to change something he has been used to, and suggested making just one prototype of the new grommet system for testing before changing wholesale. I told Inskysport this was a waste of time and strongly suggested he should tell the manufacturer to just go ahead, failing that he should then go to other manufacturers who are more enlightened.
So, your new TF Ti500 that you intend to get early next year should have the new grommet system. Make sure your friend knows how to tell the difference between the new and the old.


Thanks a bunch taneepak. I was planning to have my friend pickup the racquets at Luxis, its only 5 minutes away from BP International. But now, I think my friend will be taking a one stop MTR ride to Inskysport. I'll probably have to arrange the details with Inskysport thru email myself. I hope they'd agree to string the racquets before my friend gets there, she only be in HK for half a day on the 20th.

[taneepak]

Thanks a bunch taneepak. I was planning to have my friend pickup the racquets at Luxis, its only 5 minutes away from BP International. But now, I think my friend will be taking a one stop MTR ride to Inskysport. I'll probably have to arrange the details with Inskysport thru email myself. I hope they'd agree to string the racquets before my friend gets there, she only be in HK for half a day on the 20th.

It is the same racquet whether you get it from Luxis or Inskysport.

[Mr. Anderson]

Err, I meant how do you pronounce that word? (Inskysports)

[taneepak]

Err, I meant how do you pronounce that word? (Inskysports)

I don't really know, but I pronounce it as 3 words, In Sky Sport. The owner doesn't seem to mind, and I doubt he knows, because I guess it is the name of a shelf company he bought into. I could be wrong.

[outlah]

It is the same racquet whether you get it from Luxis or Inskysport.

You think? Anyways, you're might be right, It wouldn't make a difference to me, since I'll never be able to tell the difference. I know roughly the price of stringing, but how much are the strings alone, without labour (BG65/66/85/65ti)?

[Winex West Can]

I e-mailed Percy a few days ago regarding prices in the GVRD, but there is still no response from him. If he is living in Burnaby then may be it is cheaper here and easier to buy the racquet. Is his computer still broken ? :( I am hoping to get his response before the boxing day. (cross-fingers).

I don't understand this logic. If he is living next door to you, it would be cheaper because of ??? The price in CDN been quoted and does not include shipping or stringing. Question would be whether it includes taxes (GST & PST).

Shipping should average around $10.00 via Canada Post unless Percy charges extra for handling.

While it has been interesting to read about new racquets, one thing that always catches me is the underlying premise that the racquet will make you a better player :eek: :rolleyes:

A racquet can only complements your level and style of play. As players progresses, they will go through different stages where different types of racquets would be more suitable (complements) the level of play at that stage.

[taneepak]

You think? Anyways, you're might be right, It wouldn't make a difference to me, since I'll never be able to tell the difference. I know roughly the price of stringing, but how much are the strings alone, without labour (BG65/66/85/65ti)?

Yes, it is the same racquet, because Luxis gets all La Fleche stuff from Inskysport. The prices are the same too, else Inskysport would have a lot of angry dealers.
BG65 sells for about HK$18, BG66 HK$25, BG85 HK$29. I don't know about BG65Ti. Forget about strings other than the New BG66 (the ones that have the words "Great Repulsion"), BG85 and Gosen Tecgut Tour. Both New BG66 and Gosen Tecgut Tour, strung at a high tension of more than 24lbs, would outperform most other strings, IMO.
Stringing BG65 at high tension of close to 30lbs to simulate some of the New BG66's performance just doesn't work, inspite of what others say. Only the very top level players have the strength to play with BG65 strung at more than 30lbs. At this tension BG65 is at its elasticity limits and behaves like a brickwall whereas at the same high 30lbs+ tension the New BG66 has even greater power and is still not as near its elasticity limits as BG65. In badminton strings, thinner strings rule at high tension, no ifs and buts. Thin strings should be strung at relatively high tension, not less than 23lbs, to get the power, resilience, and control. Thin strings will lose more tension, hence the need to string at high tension. Yes, stringing thin strings at very high tension will see more string breakages than thicker strings. But a month of bliss is much better than 2 months of hell. ;) :D

[outlah]

Yes, it is the same racquet, because Luxis gets all La Fleche stuff from Inskysport. The prices are the same too, else Inskysport would have a lot of angry dealers.
BG65 sells for about HK$18, BG66 HK$25, BG85 HK$29. I don't know about BG65Ti. Forget about strings other than the New BG66 (the ones that have the words "Great Repulsion"), BG85 and Gosen Tecgut Tour. Both New BG66 and Gosen Tecgut Tour, strung at a high tension of more than 24lbs, would outperform most other strings, IMO.
Stringing BG65 at high tension of close to 30lbs to simulate some of the New BG66's performance just doesn't work, inspite of what others say. Only the very top level players have the strength to play with BG65 strung at more than 30lbs. At this tension BG65 is at its elasticity limits and behaves like a brickwall whereas at the same high 30lbs+ tension the New BG66 has even greater power and is still not as near its elasticity limits as BG65. In badminton strings, thinner strings rule at high tension, no ifs and buts. Thin strings should be strung at relatively high tension, not less than 23lbs, to get the power, resilience, and control. Thin strings will lose more tension, hence the need to string at high tension. Yes, stringing thin strings at very high tension will see more string breakages than thicker strings. But a month of bliss is much better than 2 months of hell. ;) :D


Yeah, I know the racquet is the same no matter which store I buy from. But since all the racquets goes thru Inskysport, they'll more likely have the new batch of Ti500 first. Unless the turnover for the 500 is fast enough to deplete all current Ti500 by mid-January, I'm sure there would still be some old stock floating around. But as you said, I will never be able to tell the difference. I'll see which store will give me the better quote. :D

Is the new BG66 the BG6 "Repulsion Power"?

[taneepak]

Is the new BG66 the BG6 "Repulsion Power"?

The New BG66 has the words "Great Repulsion" whereas the Old BG66 has the words "High Repulsion". The Gosen Tecgut Tour would be equivalent to the New BG66.

[CanuckBur]

I don't understand this logic. If he is living next door to you, it would be cheaper because of ??? The price in CDN been quoted and does not include shipping or stringing. Question would be whether it includes taxes (GST & PST).

Shipping should average around $10.00 via Canada Post unless Percy charges extra for handling.

Read "may be", not "would be". You probably can understand this logic.

Don't know how much Percy charges. I haven't got an e-mail response from him.

[HBI1204]

Taneepak.... any idea when the racket will be available in Malaysia... or will it ever...???

[[Trin]Kenshin]

No, there is no way you can enlarge the 6th bottom grommets and at the same time reduce the already enlarged bottom grommets no. 7. You need to have both, enlarged grommets 6 and small grommets 7, to maintain the same structural integrity of the frame. However, it is possible for the racquet manufacturer to enlarge grommets 6 and have them fitted with larger grommets, with the enlarged grommets 7 remaining unchanged. This will weaken the frame at the throat slightly. Besides the extra costs, it is just not worth the while. The manufacturer may not want to do this.
You are worrying unnecessarily over a very trivial thing. I don't think you can tell the difference between the two. If it is any comfort to you, all other racquets in the market are in the same boat. :D
thx tan, appreciate it. I was in the neighbourhood of inskysport and had a long chat with them haha. Anyway, I was told the feel of the racquet would be slightly different with the new stringing pattern and that they were going to implement a new stringing pattern for the 4U as well. I think they showed me one of the experimental racquets with 4 string-holder buldges (covering the bottom 4 grommet holes on each side; i'm not sure what they are called, kinda looks like a muscle power buldge) and that this version of the 4U Ti500 would cost about $100 HKD more. I had asked about the 3U but was told not to worry since a lot of coaches had said ti500 is quite a performer anyway. Who knows :P, but esp for those looking for a 4U LF be sure to look for which version you want, the slightly modified or not. I am sure they perform similarly but may have different feels to them.

[taneepak]

Kenshin']thx tan, appreciate it. I was in the neighbourhood of inskysport and had a long chat with them haha. Anyway, I was told the feel of the racquet would be slightly different with the new stringing pattern and that they were going to implement a new stringing pattern for the 4U as well. I think they showed me one of the experimental racquets with 4 string-holder buldges (covering the bottom 4 grommet holes on each side; i'm not sure what they are called, kinda looks like a muscle power buldge) and that this version of the 4U Ti500 would cost about $100 HKD more. I had asked about the 3U but was told not to worry since a lot of coaches had said ti500 is quite a performer anyway. Who knows :P, but esp for those looking for a 4U LF be sure to look for which version you want, the slightly modified or not. I am sure they perform similarly but may have different feels to them.

The 4 string-holder so-called experimental racquet that you saw does not have the new grommet change. The new 4U and 2U and 3U of the Ti 500 as well as all other La Fleche racquets will incorporate the new grommet change soon, but as of today none has been produced yet. All LF racquets with the new grommet system will come with a written stringing instruction and stringing pattern in English and Chinese, with specific reference to the change in stringing the cross string that will reduce the normal slack of the cross's first and last strings plus the new "tug-of-war" knotting that reduces both uneven tension as well as tension loss. The stringing instruction will also contain some surprises. :D

[taneepak]

Taneepak.... any idea when the racket will be available in Malaysia... or will it ever...???

I have no idea. Why don't you ask them at Inskysport@yahoo.com.hk?

[[Trin]Kenshin]

Cool! Gota give us a scanned version for viewing!! :D

[taneepak]

Kenshin'] I think they showed me one of the experimental racquets with 4 string-holder buldges (covering the bottom 4 grommet holes on each side; i'm not sure what they are called, kinda looks like a muscle power buldge) and that this version of the 4U Ti500 would cost about $100 HKD more. I had asked about the 3U but was told not to worry since a lot of coaches had said ti500 is quite a performer anyway. Who knows :P, but esp for those looking for a 4U LF be sure to look for which version you want, the slightly modified or not. I am sure they perform similarly but may have different feels to them.

The current 4U model of the LF Ti 500 differs from its 2U and 3U, in colour scheme, shaft diameter and length, and manufacturing cost. Although the current 4U, 2U and 3U are now retailed at the same price, the 4U will be reclassified as a different model with a model number different from Ti 500 when the new grommet system is introduced, in a couple of weeks' time. The extra HK$100 for the 4U should only apply to racquets that have the new grommet system but should not apply to current 4U model. You may want to check this out.
The new 4U will have enlarged grommets at grommet #6 and smaller grommets at grommet #7 at the throat end. In contrast, the sizes of the respective grommets of the current 4U are the reverse of those found on the new 4U. The new 4U will come with a written stringing instruction and stringing pattern. The current 4U has no such written instruction,

[outlah]

The current 4U model of the LF Ti 500 differs from its 2U and 3U, in colour scheme, shaft diameter and length, and manufacturing cost. Although the current 4U, 2U and 3U are now retailed at the same price, the 4U will be reclassified as a different model with a model number different from Ti 500 when the new grommet system is introduced, in a couple of weeks' time. The extra HK$100 for the 4U should only apply to racquets that have the new grommet system but should not apply to current 4U model. You may want to check this out.
The new 4U will have enlarged grommets at grommet #6 and smaller grommets at grommet #7 at the throat end. In contrast, the sizes of the respective grommets of the current 4U are the reverse of those found on the new 4U. The new 4U will come with a written stringing instruction and stringing pattern. The current 4U has no such written instruction,


I have email Mr. Tung (or is it Mr. Cheung Tung?) about reserving 2 of the old style 4U for me, $100x2 is quite a jump for me. :) I was hoping to get 3 racquets, strung, for around 1900, not 2100. We will see. :)

[charzord]

I have email Mr. Tung (or is it Mr. Cheung Tung?) about reserving 2 of the old style 4U for me, $100x2 is quite a jump for me. :) I was hoping to get 3 racquets, strung, for around 1900, not 2100. We will see. :) Whoh, yoru getting 2 in hk and another one in T.O.? :eek:

[outlah]

Whoh, yoru getting 2 in hk and another one in T.O.? :eek:

Yeah, the one here is for testing purposes, if its as good as Mr. Taneepak here says, I'll buy 1 more 3U and 2 4U. When you get old, and doesn't play as many sports, you'll find that you can allocate more of your money to one single hobby.

[taneepak]

I have email Mr. Tung (or is it Mr. Cheung Tung?) about reserving 2 of the old style 4U for me, $100x2 is quite a jump for me. :) I was hoping to get 3 racquets, strung, for around 1900, not 2100. We will see. :)

Why are buying so many LF Ti 500? Have you tried the 3U and the 4U? Wouldn't it better to test them out first before buying 3 of them?

[charzord]

Why are buying so many LF Ti 500? Have you tried the 3U and the 4U? Wouldn't it better to test them out first before buying 3 of them? Well, outlah cards_pro and I all bought the racket from some dude at the same time, so I believe that we are going to be the first ones to try it out in Toronto. Kinda hard to test them out before buying, since you are the first one =P. Neways, the hype you've generated has given enough confidence to me at least to buy this racket without trying it :D. If the racket suks, then ill (we'll) just run over to hong kong and kick u or something :p.

P.S. I think outlah is using the one here for testing first.....and then if he likes it he'll get more in H.K.? Thats what i fink he said in his above post:cool:

[outlah]

Well, outlah cards_pro and I all bought the racket from some dude at the same time, so I believe that we are going to be the first ones to try it out in Toronto. Kinda hard to test them out before buying, since you are the first one =P. Neways, the hype you've generated has given enough confidence to me at least to buy this racket without trying it :D. If the racket suks, then ill (we'll) just run over to hong kong and kick u or something :p.

P.S. I think outlah is using the one here for testing first.....and then if he likes it he'll get more in H.K.? Thats what i fink he said in his above post:cool:


Yes, yes, thank you charzord. I'm not make of money you know. :)

[outlah]

Why are buying so many LF Ti 500? Have you tried the 3U and the 4U? Wouldn't it better to test them out first before buying 3 of them?


In a few days, I'll be testing one out, don't worry. With the exception of 2 racquets, I have never had problems adjusting my game to suit a racquet. I actually enjoy being force to change the style of my game to different racquets.

[2love2live]

....
The 3U and 4U are both equally good. The 3U is strictly a doubles racquet and the 4U is excellent for both doubles and singles. It is hard to choose between the two, so I got both, the 4U for my wife although I do use it. Although the 2U/3U and the 4U are the same model, they are subtly different. If forced to choose only one, I will choose the 4U.
Mr. Taneepak, please kindly advice:

I have been a long time even-balanced racquet fan, but recently a bad decision to switch to AT800 Offensive caused me a lot of troubles.
Please see: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20647

I was almost about to go for an AT500 or 4U MP88 after some research and try, but I came across this thread which tempted me to give 4UTI500 a try, I can get it from bbesports.com for about RMB680 (HKD 640).

I assume you are a master with badminton & racquets so as you can see from the my preference trend: AT800OF->AT500/MP88, does Fleche Ti500 4U follow the trend? or it's simply the dream racquet for a beginner->intermediate like myself :p

Thanks!

[taneepak]

Mr. Taneepak, please kindly advice:

I have been a long time even-balanced racquet fan, but recently a bad decision to switch to AT800 Offensive caused me a lot of troubles.
Please see: http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20647

I was almost about to go for an AT500 or 4U MP88 after some research and try, but I came across this thread which tempted me to give 4UTI500 a try, I can get it from bbesports.com for about RMB680 (HKD 640).

I assume you are a master with badminton & racquets so as you can see from the my preference trend: AT800OF->AT500/MP88, does Fleche Ti500 4U follow the trend? or it's simply the dream racquet for a beginner->intermediate like myself :p

Thanks!

My best advice is try out any racquet you fancy first before buying. You can always borrow from a friend. Maybe you could try to borrow a LF 4U Ti 500 from bbsports.com in Beijing, failing that you can buy it on the condition that you can return it for another racquet of your choice if the LF racquet is not to your liking.
If you do go for the LF 4U Ti 500, make sure you do not get the prototype ones, which were the ones that were sent out for field evaluation, because the final finished product is different. The finished 4U has two pairs of twin grommet bump-guides on grommets 1,2,3,4 on both sides of the frame (outside of the frame beam) at the throat end. The prototypes do not have such grommet bump-guides and have a longer and thicker shaft, but it is unlikely for anyone to notice the shaft differences. A newer one, with a slightly different grommet system but is otherwise the same as the finished one, will come out soon with a higher price.

[outlah]

hmmm...no word yet from either Inskysport or Luxis if they still have the "old" style U4. Taneepak, did they only make a small batch for field test purpose? Or are they still available?

[mtakako]

Anyone has heard from percy yet?

[taneepak]

hmmm...no word yet from either Inskysport or Luxis if they still have the "old" style U4. Taneepak, did they only make a small batch for field test purpose? Or are they still available?

The 4U prototypes are just prototypes that had some rough edges and a less than optimum sweetspot, which the newer ones don't have. I don't know how many prototypes were made and distributed. To be sure you get the non-prototypes, check for the two pairs of twin grommet bump-guide or rail at the throat end.

[taneepak]

I have been invited by the contract OEM racquet manufacturer for various racquet brands, including the La Flech Ti 500, to visit their plant this friday and saturday. I have asked them to custom-make for me just one LF Ti 500 3U racquet, meeting certain specifications, including the new grommet system, and have it ready by the time I visit them. I think it is going to cost me more.

[taneepak]

Well, outlah cards_pro and I all bought the racket from some dude at the same time, so I believe that we are going to be the first ones to try it out in Toronto. Kinda hard to test them out before buying, since you are the first one =P. Neways, the hype you've generated has given enough confidence to me at least to buy this racket without trying it :D. If the racket suks, then ill (we'll) just run over to hong kong and kick u or something :p.

If the racquet sucks, which is unlikely, I might be able to make it meet the standard required of this racquet. But you would to pay for all the mailing costs. I can also make your racquet much better than a standard LF Ti 500, but I won't. Don't ask me why. :D

[outlah]

If the racquet sucks, which is unlikely, I might be able to make it meet the standard required of this racquet. But you would to pay for all the mailing costs. I can also make your racquet much better than a standard LF Ti 500, but I won't. Don't ask me why. :D


Why? :mad: And why do you torture us so? Telling us you "can" make it better and not telling us how. *pulling out hair in frustration*. Maybe I should have you buy me the racquet and bring it to my friend at BP International. :D

[T-bone]

For those interested in the racket, it is best to try it out as the racket is not for everybody. I have used Ti-10 2u for about 3 yrs and use it because it gives me the best power. I don't try out new rackets regularly, the ones I've tried included mp100, ti sp ss, and amrotec 700, all of which were less powerful than the ti-10. I got a chance to try the La Flech 500 tonight and the results are summarized as follows:

2U La Flech 500:
Plays very similar to Ti-6. The racket felt heavy and sluggish. Smashes and clear were much less powerful than Ti-10 and the smashes tend to sail higher than with Ti10. Drives were ok, but could have more zip to it. Control was acceptable.

3U La Flech 500:
I enjoyed the 3u version more than the 2u. It's light and agile, allowing me to generate quicker swings and smashes that are sharper and have more zip. But still, it pales in comparision to Ti10 in terms of the power in clears and smashes. The power of the 500 was also less than armotec 700 if comparing 3u models.

To sum it up, the 3u performed better than the 2u, but still lacks in power compared to some of the top yonex rackets. However, this is only my personal experience. I tend to use less wrist and have tighter swings. Hence, the stiffer shaft of Ti10 would generate more power for me. La Flech 500 is probably better suited for players who use more wrist, have bigger swings or like to "whip" the racket. It's definitely a good idea to try it before buying it.

[taneepak]

Why? :mad: And why do you torture us so? Telling us you "can" make it better and not telling us how. *pulling out hair in frustration*. Maybe I should have you buy me the racquet and bring it to my friend at BP International. :D

I have a LF 3U and 4U but I have not been able to keep them for than 2 weeks because my fellow players get me to sell to them, sometimes a bit under duress. Not that I complain, because I always have new replacement racquets, but sometimes I feel there was one I sold recently I now cannot match its performance with the new replacement despite hours of toil working on it. If your LF Ti500 sucks, it takes about an hour to fix it to standard. For anything better it takes a week, sometimes more, including testing it in actual play.
I might take up your offer and sell you my second hand LF Ti500 3U, subject to you or your friend testing it in actual play for a couple of hours. All you need to do, should you want it, is to get a new replacement for me. How does that sound? You cannot get a better offer than this.
BTW, what is BP International?
I will be visiting a racquet manufacturing plant tomorrow and will be exchanging ideas on simplifying post-manufacturing mods and others with the boss and his engineers there. I feel like a spy visiting his plant because he has agreed to allow me to videotape all his processes, which he strictly denies to others. It might be more prudent if I do not bring any camera or videocam.

[Loh]

I think taneepak can now justify as a racket specialist and consultant. Don't sell your experience and services short. Make sure you get a good consultation fee or at least something in kind, at your next visit to your friend's manufacturing plant.

Congratulations! ;)

[taneepak]

I think taneepak can now justify as a racket specialist and consultant. Don't sell your experience and services short. Make sure you get a good consultation fee or at least something in kind, at your next visit to your friend's manufacturing plant.

Congratulations! ;)

Loh, the plant boss is an expert on badminton racquets and is very knowledgeable. That is why he is a contract OEM manufacturer for reputable Japanese companies. Other than the TOW (Tug-of-war) cross stringing-induced change in the grommet system, I am going there more to learn from him, not the other way around. I still have to pay for my own transportation, hotel and living expenses, including the custom-made racquet he is making for me. I won't have it otherwise because it is against my grain. He won't even put my personal name and the words TOW on the racquet, citing insufficient time to prepare.

[taneepak]

Had to cancel my visit to the racquet plant due to last minute hitch. Disappointed but will re-schedule for month end or next month. However, my custom-made racquet is on its way by post. :(

[double]

can you tell which the Japan companies? Thanks.



Loh, the plant boss is an expert on badminton racquets and is very knowledgeable. That is why he is a contract OEM manufacturer for reputable Japanese companies........

[taneepak]

can you tell which the Japan companies? Thanks.

One of them is Mizuno. I did not ask nor did I press for the names of the others, as that would not be discrete. I suspect Gosen could be another one, but I could be wrong. Anyway, I might be able to find out more when I eventually visit them. I have keen eyes and a good nose, which were developed visiting refineries, terminals, petrochemical complexes, and other plants during my younger days.. :D

[taneepak]

Sorry for the typo error discrete, which should read discreet.

[taneepak]

BTW this plant can and will produce nano racquets. I have a sample of the material. I understand the plant can design a top notch nano racquet that is far better than any in the market, but it will cost an arm and a leg. :D

[outlah]

What should I do? Where can I take the 3U, which hopefully will be in my hands tomorrow night, for stringing? I want to take it to Yo's but I wouldn't get it back till Wednesday, since they're close on Tuesdays. And I don't want to go to Lee's cause they will insist on assisting the government in taking away my money. Where else can I get a decent stringing job and be able to get it back on Tuesday? Decisions, decisions.



taneepak, aren't you putting too much faith on a little piece of fiber to make such a bold statement? Or are you trying to hide something from us? ;) Sorry to hear about your trip, remember to take lots of pictures.

[taneepak]

taneepak, aren't you putting too much faith on a little piece of fiber to make such a bold statement? Or are you trying to hide something from us? ;) Sorry to hear about your trip, remember to take lots of pictures.

No, I am not sure what to think about nano. The sample I have shows two truncated shaft, one nano the other graphite. The nano has a glossy finish, the graphite matt looking. It doesn't mean anything to me. You can come up with the same comparison with two pieces of wood, which is meaningless. I sure am looking to my visit to his plant and I will ask him a thousand and one questions on his nano stuff.
I don't think I will take any pictures. The sight of a camera puts everybody on guard. My trip would then be just a courtesy call.
BTW, do you know that all racquets belonging to the same weight category are not identical? They vary in weight, balance point, and swingweight. I suggest you bring along a digital scale which weighs to 0.1g accuracy, a short ruler, a measuring tape, and 3.4g of plasticine divided into 2 parts of 1.7g each, Take some basic readings of your current favourite racquet, like weight and balance point. Use these two readings to select your new racquets. The plasticine takes the place of the strings, and you attach to both sides of the unstrung frame at the mid-point of the cross strings, that is between strings 11 and 12. You then select your racquets by attaching the plasticine, weigh them and take their balance point. The one that comes closest should be your choice.

[outlah]

Just checked the weight of my unstrung Ti500 3U. With the plastic wrap still on it, its 87.64g. The balance point unstrung is about 29.3cm. Its dimensions are very similar to my 900SXs. It's got the CS cap. Overall quality, visiual wise it is not up to par with the big names, lots of dust or small defects on the paint job. What can I say, I work in QA. :)

[charzord]

Wahaha,
Just got my LF ti 500. This has got to be the NICEST looking racket ever. Red silver, black an white, looks kinda like a lightsaber =P

[taneepak]

Just checked the weight of my unstrung Ti500 3U. With the plastic wrap still on it, its 87.64g. The balance point unstrung is about 29.3cm. Its dimensions are very similar to my 900SXs. It's got the CS cap. Overall quality, visiual wise it is not up to par with the big names, lots of dust or small defects on the paint job. What can I say, I work in QA. :)

It should probably weigh 86.7g without the clingwrap. I suggest you string it with the new BG66 at 24/26 lbs. You will probably end up with a balance point, including strings, of about 30.3cm. This is a bit low for a 3U racquet with a total weight of 89.9g, although some people can can live with this. If you unwrap the grip and the butt cap, you can find something there-a piece of lead sheet or a solid gel in the tunnel-and take out a few gm from there, you can re-balance your racquet to about 31.3 cm, which will be ideal. Your racquet will then be at the low end of 3U and could become a 4U, but you will get better repulsion with this lighter weight and longer balance point.
I do not share your opinion about the visual quality of the La Fleche racquets about lots of dust and small defects. I thought they even look visually better than Yonex racquets, such as the AT700 and the MP99.

[taneepak]

Wahaha,
Just got my LF ti 500. This has got to be the NICEST looking racket ever. Red silver, black an white, looks kinda like a lightsaber =P

The 4U version is even better looking and is a hit with women and kids. BTW all the La Fleche are designed by a famous Hong Kong-based French products designer, and a woman at that.
Why don't you take your new La Fleche Ti 500 racquet and a few other top end Yonex racquets to your next game and get an opinion from your friends? Would be interesting.

[2love2live]

My best advice is try out any racquet you fancy first before buying. You can always borrow from a friend. Maybe you could try to borrow a LF 4U Ti 500 from bbsports.com in Beijing, failing that you can buy it on the condition that you can return it for another racquet of your choice if the LF racquet is not to your liking.
If you do go for the LF 4U Ti 500, make sure you do not get the prototype ones, which were the ones that were sent out for field evaluation, because the final finished product is different. The finished 4U has two pairs of twin grommet bump-guides on grommets 1,2,3,4 on both sides of the frame (outside of the frame beam) at the throat end. The prototypes do not have such grommet bump-guides and have a longer and thicker shaft, but it is unlikely for anyone to notice the shaft differences. A newer one, with a slightly different grommet system but is otherwise the same as the finished one, will come out soon with a higher price.
Hi Taneepak:
is this the prototype version you are talking about - see the grommet in the picture which I downloaded from bbesports.

Thanks.

[taneepak]

Hi Taneepak:
is this the prototype version you are talking about - see the grommet in the picture which I downloaded from bbesports.

Thanks.

No, this is the 2U and 3U version, red colour scheme, with the old grommet system, with no prototype out in the market. Currently no one has the new grommet system racquet except for the one that was recently made specifically for me with my own specs. The prototype I was talking about is a 4U version of a different colour scheme that is pearl white on the inside, and a light purple on the outside, of the frame. It is unlikely for you to come across a 4U prototype unless it is a used one that shouldn't be commercially available.

[2love2live]

No, this is the 2U and 3U version, red colour scheme, with the old grommet system, with no prototype out in the market. Currently no one has the new grommet system racquet except for the one that was recently made specifically for me with my own specs. The prototype I was talking about is a 4U version of a different colour scheme that is pearl white on the inside, and a light purple on the outside, of the frame. It is unlikely for you to come across a 4U prototype unless it is a used one that shouldn't be commercially available.
Yes I was talking to BBEsports on MSN today and they also told me the 4u thing was 'Purple'. So I guess I should wait for the new grommet system racquet is marketed, or just how good is the new grommet system racquet? i mean if it's not that significant an improvement i might as well just go for a prototype one - which confused me a little still - if it's still prototype how can bbesports be selling it to all the customers?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[taneepak]

Yes I was talking to BBEsports on MSN today and they also told me the 4u thing was 'Purple'. So I guess I should wait for the new grommet system racquet is marketed, or just how good is the new grommet system racquet? i mean if it's not that significant an improvement i might as well just go for a prototype one - which confused me a little still - if it's still prototype how can bbesports be selling it to all the customers?:confused: :confused: :confused:

I think you are confused about the 4U version, which is pearl white and light purple. The 4U started life with a few prototypes, given out to selected people. I don't think BBEsports was given the prototype, which never came into production. The first production batch of the 4U version, an improved version over the prototype, is the current version in the market, and it uses the old grommet system. The next production batch of the 4U will have the new grommet system but is otherwise the same racquet as the current ones in the market. The new grommet system 4U will cost HK$100 more and will in theory give you a more balanced stringbed, and it will come with a detailed sheet of stringing instructions in both English and Chinese. Whether you can discern the difference is another thing.
It is possible some prototypes could have found their way back to some stores.

[outlah]

It should probably weigh 86.7g without the clingwrap. I suggest you string it with the new BG66 at 24/26 lbs. You will probably end up with a balance point, including strings, of about 30.3cm. This is a bit low for a 3U racquet with a total weight of 89.9g, although some people can can live with this. If you unwrap the grip and the butt cap, you can find something there-a piece of lead sheet or a solid gel in the tunnel-and take out a few gm from there, you can re-balance your racquet to about 31.3 cm, which will be ideal. Your racquet will then be at the low end of 3U and could become a 4U, but you will get better repulsion with this lighter weight and longer balance point.
I do not share your opinion about the visual quality of the La Fleche racquets about lots of dust and small defects. I thought they even look visually better than Yonex racquets, such as the AT700 and the MP99.

I'm not talking about how pleasing the racquet looks, but how well the paint and decals were put on. They seem to have used a flat red undercoat with a clear overcoat. On the frame, I can see at least five bubbles under the clear coat and on the shaft itself, there are quite a few dots which appears to be dirt/dust that was on the shaft during the time paint was put on. It's nothing to worry about, just something I notice. I QC a lot of painted stuff from China, so I'm always on the look out for bad paint jobs. :p And the decals...well, nothing is perfect. I'm sure they'll improve over time. Right now, I'm just interested in the performance of the racquet. I'll know tonight.

Stringing it with BG85 22/24, I'll see how it plays before I trying tweaking the BP. By the way, what grip do you use/recommend? I'm experimenting with cloth grips.

Wondering why the stores are charging $655 for a 4U when the new version is not even out yet...

[charzord]

The 4U version is even better looking and is a hit with women and kids. BTW all the La Fleche are designed by a famous Hong Kong-based French products designer, and a woman at that.
Why don't you take your new La Fleche Ti 500 racquet and a few other top end Yonex racquets to your next game and get an opinion from your friends? Would be interesting. The only thing I can compare it to is TISP Sx, which I made look evil with pure black strings grip and the natural frame. But in looks, LF Ti500 beats it hands down :D. I'm pretty confident my friends would say that too :p

[taneepak]

Fot the La Fleche Ti 500 2U, 3U and 4U, I would recommend stringing with the new Yonex BG66 at 24/26lbs or 25/27lbs for the 2U and 3U and 23/25lbs for the 4U, as a minimum. This is to take advantage of the racquet's tungsten/nickel/titanium composite that will give you a hit sound like no other. An 11 year girl tried out my custom-made 3U, strung with new BG66 at 24/26lbs, and fell in love with the crispness of the hits and the sound. Switching back to her own Ti6 was a big climbdown.
Although the 4U bears the same model number as the 2U and 3U, it is to all intents and purposes a different racquet but with the same general design. Like all racquets the 2U and 3U are made in the same production run. The 4U cannot be made in the same production batch as the 2U and 3U. It is much more difficult to make a 4U racquet from tungsten/nickel material, I was told. The higher 4U price is probably cost-pushed.

[taneepak]

Outlah, I would suggest you string your 3U at 23/25lbs minimum, or 24/26lbs or 25/27lbs instead of 22/24lbs. I am tweaking a 2U from Inskysport that came with BG66 string at 22/24lbs tension and I had to cut it to restring with new BG66 at 25/27lbs, because the lower tension is not very good on the LF Ti500 although playable.

[charzord]

Hey Taneepak, can you list what are the ideal balance points and tensions? I would like to try out some of your extreme modifications!!! :cool:

[cards_pro]

Hi Taneepak,
Is it ok to put BG68TI with 24/26 on it?

[taneepak]

Hi Taneepak,
Is it ok to put BG68TI with 24/26 on it?

Yes, I have strung a LF Ti 500 3U with BG68Ti at 24/26lbs for a woman and she likes it. However, make sure the stringing is done with fixed clamps and not flying clamps, as the latter simply lose too much tension when clamping the main strings, unless you use 4 flying clamps. Even when using fixed clamps, make sure they string the mains one string at a time and not pulling two strings with one pull. Also many stringers do not pay too much attention to having a real tight pull when starting with the two middle main strings, due to poor anchoring. A good test of this is that at 24/26lbs tension the strings should not move easily during play. Impoper attention/handling to and of the mains will result in the mains moving after a few hits.

[cards_pro]

Hi taneepak,
I do have 4 flying clamps (2 badminton and 2 tennis) and 1 starting clamp. But I only use 2 flying clamps and starting clamp to string my racquet. Why do I need 4?? :confused:

[taneepak]

Hey Taneepak, can you list what are the ideal balance points and tensions? I would like to try out some of your extreme modifications!!! :cool:

These vary with different racquets. For the LF Ti 500 2U and 3U the minimum tension when using thin strings is 23/25lbs, probably more for thicker strings. The ideal b/p varies with different weight distribution over the length of the racquet. As the 2U and 3U are different from the 4U, their ideal b/p will be different. In the 2U/3U LF Ti500 the ideal b/p would be about 31.3cm to 31.5cm for a racquet's total weight of less than 90g, and about 30.5cm to 31.3cm for a weight of over 89g. I have a custom-made LF Ti 500 3U that is of a different dimension from the standard 2U, 3U or 4U, and it weighs 86.7g with strings and has a b/p of 31.5cm, and it plays great. I am trying to stretch the b/p to 32cm, and initial evaluations seem to be favourable.
The 4U seems to play equally well with a b/p ranging from 30.5cm to 31.5cm, a very forgiving racquet.

[taneepak]

Hi taneepak,
I do have 4 flying clamps (2 badminton and 2 tennis) and 1 starting clamp. But I only use 2 flying clamps and starting clamp to string my racquet. Why do I need 4?? :confused:

With four flying clamps on the mains, two on each side of the racquet, one clamp clamping on the just tensioned string and the one before, and the other clamp clamping on the one before and the one prior to it, your string will not move one tiny bit after you release the string gripper. Using only one flying clamp on each side of the mains is grossly inadequate to stop the string moving back. Multiple this by 22 strings, you end up losing tons of tension.

[outlah]

Well, I just had a 3hr session with the 3U with BG85@22/24(too late to ask for 25+). Anyways, here are my opinion of the racquet. I didn't have any grip on me, so I just put 3 rubber bands on the still shrink wrap handle so I can play without it slipping out of my hands. The BP is still 29.3cm. The shaft of the 3U is medium flex, at most stiff, which is very different than the extra stiff racquets I've been using except for the cab15s which I used during my highschool years. Before the warm up, I tested the speed of some shuttles(nylon night), and the sound I heard I can't describe, but it was sweet. During the warm up, clears were crisp and high, again, with that incredible sound. Smashes were indeed steeper than I normally get with the 900SX, probably due to the high kick point where the shaft is narrower up top. Combined with the medium/stiff flex shaft, if timed right, smashes would indeed be more powerful, but I think only up to a point. Drives were "AMAZING" compared with the SX, quick and tight. Drops has a good feel. During the actual games, my defense were a lot better than with the SX. Forehand smashes were less powerful, probably because I haven't adjusted to the late kick back of the softer shaft, but I was able to smash shots which I would normally have to clear. The 3U gave me a much noticeable improvement on my back hand side, drives, smashes, clears, and drops were all greatly improved. I still find the SX with its extra stiff shaft more precise on placement shots, but maybe I just haven't gotten use to the softer shaft. The sweet spot is quite small and unforgiving, even slightly off will result in a weak return and you'll feel the vibration which can be quite strong. You must have good stroke technique to really use it, especially with its medium/stiff shaft and late high kick back. If you don't have sound technique, it'll be difficult to control and your shots will be flying all over. People who like the SP SR would love this racquet, at least that's what one of the people at my club said. Here's how I would rank the 3U with the 900SX, based on the short session with rubber band grip and non ideal timing.

Clears:
SX:7 3U:9
Drives:
SX:6 3U:10
Drops:
SX:8 3U:9
Smashes:
SX:8.5 3U:9
Power:
SX:9 3U:7
Ease of use:
SX:8 3U:7

pros:
sweet sound
defense is top notch.
steep angle smashes.
power?

cons:
small sweet spot.
unforgiving.
medium/stiff flex.
power?

in conculsion;
Not a beginners racquet, but for people serious in training, you might want to use it to learn the correct strokes, as you'll be rewarded with that sweet sound from heaven. Truly a doubles arsenal to be reckon with. I'll definitely ask my friend to get me one each of the 3U and 4U from HK. I'll string them at 27 and 26 lbs with BG85 when they get here and see if taneepak is right about needing high tension.

[taneepak]

Outlah, the small sweetspot is probably due to the sweetspot being pushed lower down by the 29.3cm b/p. Its ideal b/p, when fully strung, is 31.3cm, which will see the sweetspot higher up the racquet.

[taneepak]

Outlah, it is not possible for the balance point of a strung racquet to remain the same 29.3cm as it was unstrung. I think it is now closer to 30.2cm, based on rough estimates of your string weight at 3.4g, the average distance of the added weight of the stringbed to the original b/p of 26cm, and an estimate of your racquet's strung weight of 89.9g.

[Neil Nicholls]

...............

so I just put 3 rubber bands on the still shrink wrap handle....

The BP is still 29.3cm.

[outlah]

Yeah, I'm lazy and cheap, I'll try and see if I can tweak it so BP is up at around 31. I didn't really take note of where the sweetspot was, but it was a tad lower than on the SX. Maybe I'm just not used to high tension.

[charzord]

Sorry bout this, but the balance point is from the butt cap right?

[taneepak]

Sorry bout this, but the balance point is from the butt cap right?

Yes the balance point is from the butt cap end. It is easy to calculate how much weight to add or remove from the frame or handle end to increase or reduce 1cm in balance point.

[taneepak]

Yeah, I'm lazy and cheap, I'll try and see if I can tweak it so BP is up at around 31. I didn't really take note of where the sweetspot was, but it was a tad lower than on the SX. Maybe I'm just not used to high tension.

Outlah, are you an offensive and power player? If so, a 2U would be better, and with a little bit of adjustment, it can become something really lethal.
I was working on Inskysport's test Ti 500 2U racquet which came to me with chips, an unbalanced stringbed, probably due to use of a flying clamp to load the middle main string at the start of stringing, a weight of 94.8g and a b/p of 30.3cm strung. Although it performed adequately, the racquet was transformed after removing and adding some materials from the racquet. The adjusted racquet is still a 2U but has its total weight reduced to 94.1g, with new BG66 strung at 25/27lbs, and an adjusted b/p of 31.1cm. In the first field test this morning the racquet was snapped up by a fellow player, chips and all, because he was afraid that other players might take an interest in it. The unique sound this re-strunged and adjusted racquet fascinated others no end. Now I have to explain to Inskysport that their test racquet, given to me to modify, has been "sold".
Should you have any problem re-adjusting the b/p to 31.3cm, you can pm me.

[outlah]

[QUOTE=taneepak]Outlah, are you an offensive and power player? If so, a 2U would be better, and with a little bit of adjustment, it can become something really lethal.
QUOTE]

Normally, no, but since I was testing out the performance of the 3U, I had to push it to see what it can do. So I was playing quite aggressive that night. I am actually quite happy with the current weight/BP/swing weight of the 3U. I'll keep this one the way it is for now and make to ones coming from HK as close to your spec as possible and compare them both. hopefully, my friend was able to get a 4U for me also. You need to either start putting "not 4 sale" stickers on your racquets, or sell them thru the Taneepak's Used Sport Goods store. You're moving quite a number of racquets...you may even have a higher turn over rate than Inskysport on the Ti500. :D

[taneepak]

Outlah, are you still playing with the clingwrap and 3 rubber bands on? How incredible? Taking these two out will increase the b/p by about 0.4cm, which should help.
No, I don't re-sell my used Ti 500 to anybody, only to people I play with, and they number about 20. However, I do sell my Yonex stuff to all and sundry. As a matter of fact, you can find my used Yonex AT800 DE 3U at Inskysport for sale at a very cheap price! :D

[outlah]

haha...I'm not crazy. I only used those rubber band cause I forgot to bring overgrip. But yes, still I have the clingwrap under the overgrip. When I get the second 3U, I'll try your recommendation of replacing the grip all together and remove some excess weight from the handle to make BP to 31. You seem to know a lot about grips, what are some of the replacement grip you use and how much do they weight? Replacement grips may be cheap in HK, but in NA, they cost almost 3 times as much, so I don't want to waste money trying out various brands. I have dry hands, they rarely sweat, and when I use cloth grip, I have to becareful not to swing too fast cause the grip will slip out of my hand, that's how dry my hands are. But it actually helps with my swing, kind of forces me to do a proper swing and not just muscle the shuttle over. Although I think the cloth grips weights a lot more than other replacement grips.

[taneepak]

haha...I'm not crazy. I only used those rubber band cause I forgot to bring overgrip. But yes, still I have the clingwrap under the overgrip. When I get the second 3U, I'll try your recommendation of replacing the grip all together and remove some excess weight from the handle to make BP to 31. You seem to know a lot about grips, what are some of the replacement grip you use and how much do they weight? Replacement grips may be cheap in HK, but in NA, they cost almost 3 times as much, so I don't want to waste money trying out various brands. I have dry hands, they rarely sweat, and when I use cloth grip, I have to becareful not to swing too fast cause the grip will slip out of my hand, that's how dry my hands are. But it actually helps with my swing, kind of forces me to do a proper swing and not just muscle the shuttle over. Although I think the cloth grips weights a lot more than other replacement grips.

You can try removing your present grip so you can see the wooden handle and try to find out what is underneath it. After having gone this far, you might as well remove the butt cap and see what is inside the drilled hole. There should be enough material, lead paper on the handle and solid glue inside the butt hole, for you to remove, to get to your magical 31cm b/p. If you don't like it you can always put back everything, butt cap and grip, and it will look as good as new.

[Loh]

Yes the balance point is from the butt cap end. It is easy to calculate how much weight to add or remove from the frame or handle end to increase or reduce 1cm in balance point.

In the past, I really didn't care too much about rackets (and what they are made of, their length, the shape of shaft, telescopic or otherwise), strings (thick to thin ones and their impact on the racket and performance), weights (of rackets particularly as they can affect balance points, sweet spot), grommets, stringing machines, stringing, etc. But your numerous posts on this subject have certainly stirred up the interest and added to my limited knowledge.

However, despite your numerous attempts on explaining certain points, I still find it difficult to grasp them totally. Of course if you can add some pictures, it will be great! But I read that you are using a film camera. Wonder whether you could borrow a digital cam to post some pictures here, if I'm not asking too much.

I was fascinated by your discussions on the modifications to the rackets to influence the balance point by adding or reducing the weight through various means and how even the use of different clamps (flying, 2-, 4- and 6-point clamps) can affect the string bed (unbalanced), the sweet spot, and the tension (can't quite understand why you mentioned 25/27 lbs, 2 tensions, for example, when we normally talked about one tension) - all with the purpose of improving the performance of the racket. But it is difficult for me to relate to them because I have no pictures to compare.

If you can add some pictures to explain your modifications, that will be great and we can actually learn to tinker with our 'older' rackets to experience the results. :D

[FEND.]

In the past, I really didn't care too much about rackets (and what they are made of, their length, the shape of shaft, telescopic or otherwise), strings (thick to thin ones and their impact on the racket and performance), weights (of rackets particularly as they can affect balance points, sweet spot), grommets, stringing machines, stringing, etc. But your numerous posts on this subject have certainly stirred up the interest and added to my limited knowledge.

However, despite your numerous attempts on explaining certain points, I still find it difficult to grasp them totally. Of course if you can add some pictures, it will be great! But I read that you are using a film camera. Wonder whether you could borrow a digital cam to post some pictures here, if I'm not asking too much.

I was fascinated by your discussions on the modifications to the rackets to influence the balance point by adding or reducing the weight through various means and how even the use of different clamps (flying, 2-, 4- and 6-point clamps) can affect the string bed (unbalanced), the sweet spot, and the tension (can't quite understand why you mentioned 25/27 lbs, 2 tensions, for example, when we normally talked about one tension) - all with the purpose of improving the performance of the racket. But it is difficult for me to relate to them because I have no pictures to compare.

If you can add some pictures to explain your modifications, that will be great and we can actually learn to tinker with our 'older' rackets to experience the results. :D
Don't forget the modifications to his stringing machine.

[taneepak]

In the past, I really didn't care too much about rackets (and what they are made of, their length, the shape of shaft, telescopic or otherwise), strings (thick to thin ones and their impact on the racket and performance), weights (of rackets particularly as they can affect balance points, sweet spot), grommets, stringing machines, stringing, etc. But your numerous posts on this subject have certainly stirred up the interest and added to my limited knowledge.

However, despite your numerous attempts on explaining certain points, I still find it difficult to grasp them totally. Of course if you can add some pictures, it will be great! But I read that you are using a film camera. Wonder whether you could borrow a digital cam to post some pictures here, if I'm not asking too much.

I was fascinated by your discussions on the modifications to the rackets to influence the balance point by adding or reducing the weight through various means and how even the use of different clamps (flying, 2-, 4- and 6-point clamps) can affect the string bed (unbalanced), the sweet spot, and the tension (can't quite understand why you mentioned 25/27 lbs, 2 tensions, for example, when we normally talked about one tension) - all with the purpose of improving the performance of the racket. But it is difficult for me to relate to them because I have no pictures to compare.

If you can add some pictures to explain your modifications, that will be great and we can actually learn to tinker with our 'older' rackets to experience the results. :D

Sorry if I am all over the place, covering too much ground and with not too clear explanations. Let me try again. This time I will talk only about unbalanced stringbed.
A stringbed is made up of strings strung vertically (mains) and horizontally (crosses), at a pre-set tension. Usually the mains are strung first, starting from the middle and working towards the sides, with alternating left/right and back again sequence. However, to ensure minimum tension loss on the mains, there are two important practices that must be adhered to. The first one is to ensure every main string is individully pulled and tensioned, starting with the two middle main strings, the latter two must be pulled and tensioned at the racquet throat end. However, if you have only flying clamps you simply cannot do this on the two middle strings. Only machines with fixed, swivel and starting clamps can do this. The second one is to ensure the last main strings on both sides are not the actual final strings to emerge from the frame prior to the tie-off knot. The last strings to emerge from the two sides must come out at the location prior to the two most extreme side strings. In technical terms, the last side string must come out from grommet 10 at the throat end. You then take this last main string out, on either side, and route it to grommet 8T (throat end) where a tie-off knot is done. Now why the tie-off at grommet 8 and not at any other grommet? The reason why grommet 8 is chosen is because the tie-off knot will effectively pulled back the two most extreme side strings, like a dog pulling its own tail, ensuring a tighter last side string. Using grommet 7T for the mains tie-off will have the opposite effect, pulling the middle strings towards the side and producing slack on the last side string.
Most stringers do not pull and tension the mains each string at a time, resulting in tension loss, with the loss in the middle being the most serious. Those with flying clamps and without a starting clamp will always have unequal mains tension, right in the heart of the system, i.e, the two middle strings.
Next we come to the crosses. To set the tone, let me start off by saying the crosses are trouble-makers. The crosses, unlike the mains, start off and end off with, respectively, the starting knot and the finishing tie-off knot on other people's property, namely on the main strings. The crosses starting knot uses the mains string at the top of the racquet, grommet 6, to anchor itself. The last cross string uses the bottom main string at grommet 7 (better at grommet 6) to have its tie-off knot. Now these two knots have some power to pull the affected main strings. The starting knot pulls the main string at the top grommet 6 outwards. The finishing tie-off knot pulls the main string at the bottom grommet 7 downwards. If you look at the two knots and the main strings they pull, you will notice that the main strings 6 and 7 are effectively the same string, close to each other, and the two knots are effectively pulling the same string (6 and 7) together away from the middle strings. This two knots combining to pull one side of the mains, with the other side completely free of such encroachment, unbalances the racquet. In simple words, the two sides are not equal. To overcome this the finishing cross tie-off knot must be on the same main string as the starting knot (6H), but at the opposite end (grommet 6T). This technique effectively imposes a tug-of-war between the two cross knots, neutrailizing any side pull, resulting in an equalized stringbed. I have taken the liberty to call this TEPTOW, which actually covers more than just the two cross knots, and will be incorporated into some stringing instructions.
Still confused?

[taneepak]

Loh, what I mean by 25/27lbs is that I string the racquets at a tension of 25lbs for the mains and 27lbs for the crosses. The reason for the 2lbs higher tension for the crosses is to try to simulate the state of an unstrung racquet, one which has the least uneven stress.
You might not know that the main strings are strung first, without any impediment from the crosses and therefore without any friction. After stringing the mains you start stringing the crosses. However the crosses have to weave, up and the down, accross the mains. This has two effects, one is that the mains have been further stretched by the crosses, effectively increasing the mains tension, the other is that the crosses now do not have an uninterrupted straight line and have instead been stretched by the mains even before any tensioning is done. In other words, the effective tension of the the crosses have been compromised. Pulling the crosses at say 24lbs, against increased resistance from the mains, will have an effective tension that is lower than pulling the crosses without any main strings getting in the way.
Therefore, to compensate for the increased main tension, courtesy of the crosses, and the lower effective tension the crosses can get, no thanks to the mains getting in the way, increasing the tension of the crosses by 10% or 2lbs is recommended.
How does it sound?

[taneepak]

Maybe someone can draw some diagrams to depict what I was trying to say about unbalanced stringbed.

[Yipom]

Can someone Please post some Pictures of the 500 in 4U (the pink one) please? I really wanna see how it looks like :crying:

and has anyone gotten a recent replay from Percy??

[taneepak]

Can someone Please post some Pictures of the 500 in 4U (the pink one) please? I really wanna see how it looks like :crying:

and has anyone gotten a recent replay from Percy??

This is how a 4U Ti 500 looks like:

[outlah]

looks more white than purple...maybe the flash is too bright.

[taneepak]

looks more white than purple...maybe the flash is too bright.

I didn't realize it will come out so flat. Got somebody to do this with a digital camera with flash. Will try to ask another fellow to take some pictures,

[charzord]

I have MASSIVE hands, and usually I require around 3-4 layer of over grips just to make the grip okay for my hands. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to fatten up the grip without making the balance point suffer as much? I am looking into replacement grips, but theres wayyyy too many to choose from.

[outlah]

I didn't realize it will come out so flat. Got somebody to do this with a digital camera with flash. Will try to ask another fellow to take some pictures,

I thought everyone in HK would have a digital camera by now. :D

Hey! Is that the new 4Us? Those look like the new bumpers you mentioned earlier. What's the story of this racquet?

Hopfully, my friend got a 3U and a 4U in her luggage. Can't wait till Monday.

[taneepak]

I thought everyone in HK would have a digital camera by now. :D

Hey! Is that the new 4Us? Those look like the new bumpers you mentioned earlier. What's the story of this racquet?

Hopfully, my friend got a 3U and a 4U in her luggage. Can't wait till Monday.

The pictures were taken with a digital camera. I don't own one, though.

Yes, that is the LF Ti500 4U with bumpers but it is not the new version with the new grommet system. The bumpers-only 4Us have bumpers- is one indication it is not a prototype.

[Yipom]

This is how a 4U Ti 500 looks like:
Kool thx. Mmm i was expecting like Yonex bag Pink pink, or is it jus the flash?:confused:

[Loh]

Maybe someone can draw some diagrams to depict what I was trying to say about unbalanced stringbed.

I read your earlier explanation with the aid of my racket. And I tried to obtain more info from the internet but did not have much luck. However the stringing machines from the Lily-Lee & Co., Ltd, Taiwan is impressive, but I have not much time finding out more, especially on the flying clamps. I will revert to this website soon.

In my own limited way, I tried to illustrate your key points on the stringing process by photographing my Ashway racket and writing down some notes as shown here. I'm sure, those who have stringing experience will find your explanation easy to follow, but for me, I have no stringing machine and a guide/manual on stringing, I'm starting to pay attention and learn. I actually found out there are 11 mains on each of the right and left halves and 22 crosses! But I will followup to learn more. Give me time. :D

[Loh]

Loh, what I mean by 25/27lbs is that I string the racquets at a tension of 25lbs for the mains and 27lbs for the crosses. The reason for the 2lbs higher tension for the crosses is to try to simulate the state of an unstrung racquet, one which has the least uneven stress.
You might not know that the main strings are strung first, without any impediment from the crosses and therefore without any friction. After stringing the mains you start stringing the crosses. However the crosses have to weave, up and the down, accross the mains. This has two effects, one is that the mains have been further stretched by the crosses, effectively increasing the mains tension, the other is that the crosses now do not have an uninterrupted straight line and have instead been stretched by the mains even before any tensioning is done. In other words, the effective tension of the the crosses have been compromised. Pulling the crosses at say 24lbs, against increased resistance from the mains, will have an effective tension that is lower than pulling the crosses without any main strings getting in the way.
Therefore, to compensate for the increased main tension, courtesy of the crosses, and the lower effective tension the crosses can get, no thanks to the mains getting in the way, increasing the tension of the crosses by 10% or 2lbs is recommended.
How does it sound?

This sounds very logical. However, I have not even touched a stringing machine and how to adjust to the required tension. I will go to my regular shop to see how it is done if need be. :)

[2love2live]

Let's see - I will say it's the flash that caused the too-bright picture.


Here is the LF Ti500 pic from bbesports. Hopefully this is the 4U Taneepak mentioned. I've decided to order one :) :) :)

[taneepak]

Let's see - I will say it's the flash that caused the too-bright picture.


Here is the LF Ti500 pic from bbesports. Hopefully this is the 4U Taneepak mentioned. I've decided to order one :) :) :)

Yes, this is the 4U version of the LF Ti500 Super Light.

[taneepak]

I read your earlier explanation with the aid of my racket. And I tried to obtain more info from the internet but did not have much luck. However the stringing machines from the Lily-Lee & Co., Ltd, Taiwan is impressive, but I have not much time finding out more, especially on the flying clamps. I will revert to this website soon.

In my own limited way, I tried to illustrate your key points on the stringing process by photographing my Ashway racket and writing down some notes as shown here. I'm sure, those who have stringing experience will find your explanation easy to follow, but for me, I have no stringing machine and a guide/manual on stringing, I'm starting to pay attention and learn. I actually found out there are 11 mains on each of the right and left halves and 22 crosses! But I will followup to learn more. Give me time. :D

Yes, your diagram describes it very well.

[charzord]

Hey,
I took apart my lf ti500 today, and as you said, I took off some of the lead paper, and this rubber stopper thingy at the bottom of the racket. Now that I think about it, it seems like I have taken away the vibration dampener? Anyways, My racket b/p is not around 30.5 cm.....any comments suggestions?
i still have one lead paper left to take away....and I also want to add another layer of over grip. Also, shoudl I insert the rubber piece back in? It looks awful important, but it sure does weigh alot....

[charzord]

I had a chance to play with this racket for around 1 horu before my bg 85 snapped at 24/26 :crying:. Stupid cold dry air. 2 other friends snapped their strings today too. Anyways, during my brief time with my new baby, I was thoroughly impressed.

Power-wise, this racket matches my Tisp Sx. I feel it is an unfair match though, because my tisp is prolly at around 18 tension bg 65, while bg 85 is at 24/26, giving the tisp sx more repulsion power. Therefore, I would say that the LF Ti500 is prolly stronger.

Drops were pretty amazing, tight and in control. I managed to do a coupel tumble drops from back court.

Clear were also great, but it lacks the punch my TISP SX can give me. At least it was great until I snapped my strings =(.

Drive- no chance to drive, strings snapped.

All in all, this is a great racket for the price. I love the bag that comes with it. I am going to restring tomorow and retest it extensively on tuesday.

[outlah]

well, I just removed the grip on the 3U and the only thing I took from the handle was the black rubber inside the handle and a little bit of silicon. There weren't any lead tape. I put the original grip back on (still have a little bit of the shrink wrap, it seems to be stuck to the original grip) and I put a layer of cheap over grip on top. The BP is around 30.7cm. Hopefully, I'll be able compare it with a stock 3U and 4U strung at 27lbs on Monday.

[taneepak]

well, I just removed the grip on the 3U and the only thing I took from the handle was the black rubber inside the handle and a little bit of silicon. There weren't any lead tape. I put the original grip back on (still have a little bit of the shrink wrap, it seems to be stuck to the original grip) and I put a layer of cheap over grip on top. The BP is around 30.7cm. Hopefully, I'll be able compare it with a stock 3U and 4U strung at 27lbs on Monday.

Let me explain on the role of the wooden handle, lead paper/sheet, rubber/silicone and a mini cap stopper in the hollow, and the original grip, which should give you a clearer picture and perspective. When a racquet is made, it is matched with the handle, which comes in different sizes and weights, to grade a racquet into either a 2U or a 3U. To do this, selecting a handle of the correct weight and size-that is why some handles have a very long hollow whilst others have a short hollow-is important. The lead paper, rubber/silicone tube, are counterweights used to make final adjustment to produce a racquet that is a specific weight category and within an accepted balance point range, because it makes more sense than having an inventory of a thousand wooden handle that fit perfectly. Within certain limits, I do change a 2U racquet to a 4U or vice versa. Now you know the tricks of the trade.

[charzord]

well, I just removed the grip on the 3U and the only thing I took from the handle was the black rubber inside the handle and a little bit of silicon. There weren't any lead tape. I put the original grip back on (still have a little bit of the shrink wrap, it seems to be stuck to the original grip) and I put a layer of cheap over grip on top. The BP is around 30.7cm. Hopefully, I'll be able compare it with a stock 3U and 4U strung at 27lbs on Monday. NOOOOOOOOOO DONT STRING 27. YORU STRINGS WILL POP IN A MATTER OF SECONDS IN THE COLDDD!!!

[mtakako]

Anyone else has any luck contacting percy? I email him couple times and still no reply. :mad: Need to get another racket soon, since I just crack my slim10.. :crying:

[Ricky]

I didn't visit the forum for sometime and I'm surprised that the La Fleche racket became so hot. Actually I tried this racquet very long time ago, before it went to production (I got the racquet from Luxis). It is a quite a good performer but I don't have such a strong feeling as yours, perhaps the one I was trying is still a prototype. As far as I remember, I've tried La Fleche 800 as well but I can't find it on Luxis's Web site, perhaps they decided not to manufacture that racquet.

On the other hand, I do like very much those two training rackets from La Fleche. Unlike other training racquets I've used before, those two La Fleche racquets are relatively more easy to play with, they are heavy but not too. So, you can even use them in games when playing with weaker opponents. I'm sure you will notice your strength and racket speed will be improved after practicing with these rackets for a few months.

[outlah]

So, the 3U and 4U are both in my hands. The 4U is without the bumpers. The pictures from the previous posts does not truely show how girly the racquet is. Taneepak is right in not using the racquet in public unless you're a girl. :) Unfortunately, the racquets were string with BG80 and at most, 21lb. I will try them out tomorrow and see if they need restringing.

[kwun]

I didn't visit the forum for sometime and I'm surprised that the La Fleche racket became so hot. Actually I tried this racquet very long time ago, before it went to production (I got the racquet from Luxis). It is a quite a good performer but I don't have such a strong feeling as yours, perhaps the one I was trying is still a prototype.

imho, there are also hype involved in promoting rackets. but then, that's the same case for Yonex as well, if it works for Yonex, it will also work for other brands. ;)

[outlah]

Actually, if you read the whole thread, you'll realise it isn't really a hype. And if it is, its not a very good one, considering the handful of people who are actually excited. Oh, here's a better photo of the 4U in all its glory.

[outlah]

taneepak was right about needing high tension for this racquet. With BG80@21lb, the racquet just feel dead, I felt like I was playing with a normal racquet strung at 18lb. I'll restring them tomorrow with BG85, 27 on the 3U and 26 on the 4U(even tho it says 25max).

[taneepak]

Outlah, I am afraid your 4U is missing the bumpers and is probably the prototype racquet. If so, then the racquet is nowhere near as good as the ones with bumpers.
Why didn't you get the 4U version with bumpers?

[outlah]

You be amazed at what Chinese vendors do to squeeze every penny from you. I was looking at the invoice Luxis made for my friend and I was laugh my ass off. They even put a price down for the bag, grip AND head cover. I don't even want to say how much they wanted for them. It makes me sad to be Chinese sometimes, seeing how dishonest we are.

I thought I was getting the final 4U, because they charged me 655 and not 555 which you said was the going price for the early batch of 4U. But guess what? They wanted my money too badly. Last time I buy anything from them. But as long as the 4U is good, I'll be happy, until I can actually compare it with a final 4U.

They price I paid is still better then what I would had to pay here. But sometimes, I just wish we were back in the 80s, when every store here has an amazing return/refund policy, until people from oversea ruin it.

[taneepak]

Outlah, I thought I had given you enough information to stay away from the 4U without bumpers. Why, oh why did you not take heed? The difference between the one with bumpers and the one without bumpers is like day and night. They are two completely different racquets, with different dimensions, location and size of the sweetspot.
Maybe, it is safer, and infinitely better, I dare say, with my smelly, second hand ones!

[Yipom]

How good is the 4U as a Singles racquet? is it way too light? but since it works like a wipe u can give so much power from it right?

[outlah]

I don't think I am good enough to use 27lb tension, I played better with my 1st 3U strung at 24lb. I'll see how it plays in the next few sessions, and maybe change the BP a little to see how it goes, else I'll have to get it lower to 25.

I only play 2 games with the 4U, as I was busy comparing the 2 3Us. I'll evaluate the 4U next time I play.

taneepak, why don't you send me your smelly 4U so I can compare the 2. :P

[taneepak]

I don't think I am good enough to use 27lb tension, I played better with my 1st 3U strung at 24lb. I'll see how it plays in the next few sessions, and maybe change the BP a little to see how it goes, else I'll have to get it lower to 25.

I only play 2 games with the 4U, as I was busy comparing the 2 3Us. I'll evaluate the 4U next time I play.

taneepak, why don't you send me your smelly 4U so I can compare the 2. :P

Even young 11 year-old kids can whip the 3U at 25/27 lbs and they find it better than 23/25 lbs or 24/26 lbs.
I think you are just chasing the rainbow trying to find some decent performance from your 4U where there is none. I ought to know. I spent one week trying to tweak the prototype 4U. The best I could get it to perform was perhaps a few shades better than a non-tweaked prototype, but I gave up because the dimensions were fundamentally flawed. That is why it was replaced by a revised 4U.
I don't mind parting with my used 4U but it comes with nothing except old strings (2 weeks) and you have to get someone in HK to pick it up. It is not free either but I would not charge you more than what I paid for. :D

[taneepak]

How good is the 4U as a Singles racquet? is it way too light? but since it works like a wipe u can give so much power from it right?

There will be 3 versions of the 4U, two are already in the market and another one to be released soon. Stay away from the 4U without the black bumpers at the throat end, because it was the first prototype and has design flaws. The 4U with the black bumpers come in two versions, the current one with a common grommet at 7T for the cross tie-off knot, and its replacement (also with black bumpers) with a revised common grommet at 6T and a single string grommet at 7T.
The 4U with the black bumpers is good for singles and doubles.

[outlah]

I was just kidding about you sending me the 4U. Thanks though, if I really want one, I'll just buy one from Luxis.

Yeah, to be young again. I think maybe my timing is still off, I didn't feel the kickback as I did when I used my 1st 3U. Maybe I need to move the BP on the 27lb 3U lower. I had the BP on the 27lb 3U at 31.1, maybe I should lower it and see. My 24lb 3U is still around 29.5.


I'll use the 4U this Friday and see how it goes. I didn't even have time to change grip on both racquets, and the 4U was a G5. Now, where is that pot of gold? :D

[taneepak]

I'll use the 4U this Friday and see how it goes. I didn't even have time to change grip on both racquets, and the 4U was a G5. Now, where is that pot of gold? :D

If your 4U is the same one you showed in a picture earlier, it is better to expect the inevitable-there is no pot of gold. Why don't you ask Luxis if you can exchange your 4U with the real one, for a token exchange fee?

[BigHam]

As 4U cost HK$100 more & risk in getting from old batch. Should we buy 3U? Is the difference on 3U, 4U so big & obvious?

[taneepak]

As 4U cost HK$100 more & risk in getting from old batch. Should we buy 3U? Is the difference on 3U, 4U so big & obvious?


You might have a point. But then the colour of the 4U is to all intents and purposes designed for the ladies and young girls. But beneath its sissy colour is real power, that is if you buy those with the black bumpers.

[mtakako]

Outlah, how much did luxis' charge you for the shipping of the ti500?

[charzord]

You might have a point. But then the colour of the 4U is to all intents and purposes designed for the ladies and young girls. But beneath its sissy colour is real power, that is if you buy those with the black bumpers. Actually, I think it'll be quite fun to play with a sissy racket, including pink strings and pink grip. That way, if you win, you can rub it in and just say "you got beaten by a sissy racket!!!:D" Wahahaa, that seems fun :p.

[outlah]

Outlah, how much did luxis' charge you for the shipping of the ti500?

I had a friend pick them up in HK for me.



Why don't you ask Luxis if you can exchange your 4U with the real one, for a token exchange fee?

A token fee? they wanted to charge me $180 for just one of the bag (2x180=360=more than half a 3U!), which should have been free. Don't you think that is excessive? I have their invoice if you want to verify my claim.

It's my opinion that Luxis cheats their customers. Enough said.


Who knows, maybe the prototype 4U will work for me. I will know tomorrow. *keeping all fingers crossed*

[taneepak]

A token fee? they wanted to charge me $180 for just one of the bag (2x180=360=more than half a 3U!), which should have been free. Don't you think that is excessive? I have their invoice if you want to verify my claim.
Who knows, maybe the prototype 4U will work for me. I will know tomorrow. *keeping all fingers crossed*

But if you don't ask how do you know they won't charge you just a token sum this time? You have nothing to lose. If it costs too much, just forget it.
There is no magic in badminton racquet design. The prototype 4U has a longer and fatter telescope shaft than the optimum parameters. Its shaft will inhibit its repulsion power. There is nothing you can do about it except to ask for a replacement or to sell it.

[taneepak]

Actually, I think it'll be quite fun to play with a sissy racket, including pink strings and pink grip. That way, if you win, you can rub it in and just say "you got beaten by a sissy racket!!!:D" Wahahaa, that seems fun :p.

The racquet is actually pearl white/light purple. The girls always opt for purple strings and purple grip. Now you cannot get more sissy than that.

[taneepak]

Outlah, I think your 4U has been incorrectly strung. Your mains are tied off at grommets 7T (should be 8T) and your finishing cross tie-off is at grommet 8T (should be 7T). Your mains took a wrong turn after grommet 8.

[outlah]

But if you don't ask how do you know they won't charge you just a token sum this time? You have nothing to lose. If it costs too much, just forget it.
There is no magic in badminton racquet design. The prototype 4U has a longer and fatter telescope shaft than the optimum parameters. Its shaft will inhibit its repulsion power. There is nothing you can do about it except to ask for a replacement or to sell it.

I would definitely if I was in HK, but I'm not going to waste time and my patience on communication, arranging payment and shipping, not to mention having to pay duties when it goes thru Canada custom.


Outlah, I think your 4U has been incorrectly strung. Your mains are tied off at grommets 7T (should be 8T) and your finishing cross tie-off is at grommet 8T (should be 7T). Your mains took a wrong turn after grommet 8.

If the stringing is wrong, then I add another complain to Luxis, since those were strung by Luxis. I played with them once and had to get them restrung with BG85s, 25x27lb on the 3U and 24x26lb on the 4U at Lee's.

[taneepak]

If the stringing is wrong, then I add another complain to Luxis, since those were strung by Luxis. I played with them once and had to get them restrung with BG85s, 25x27lb on the 3U and 24x26lb on the 4U at Lee's.

Yes, I do recall this strange stringing pattern at Inskysport and some other sports stores in Mongkok. I have since persuaded Inskysport to use a better and more orthodox pattern, and lately an even better stringing technique. Whether they follow or not is another matter. You know it is hard to teach old dogs new tricks.

[taneepak]

Loh, I am considering having two LF Ti 500 custom-made, a 3U and a 4U, appropriately modified, and loan them to you for a trial period. There will be no charges of any type. I will arrange for someone to deliver them to you in Singapore, who will collect them back from you after a week. The racquets will have the words La Fleche TEPTOW System written on the cone.
This will take sometime, as making just two racquets is not something the plant would want to do normally, even for me, and there is also the problem of getting someone to personally deliver them to Singapore.
How about it? :D

[BigHam]

You might have a point. But then the colour of the 4U is to all intents and purposes designed for the ladies and young girls. But beneath its sissy colour is real power, that is if you buy those with the black bumpers.
So how about LF Ti-600. It is almost the same price to LF Ti-500, 4U (HK$6xx). Which one you would suggest?

[S430S]

Did any of your fellow Canadians actually gotten a LF racquet from Mr. Percy Pun yet?

[taneepak]

So how about LF Ti-600. It is almost the same price to LF Ti-500, 4U (HK$6xx). Which one you would suggest?

I would choose the Ti500 4U as it is better than the LFTi600 for doubles play. For singles, they are both good. But don't get the wrong 4U.

[mtakako]

I basically give up. I order mine of the internet.



Did any of your fellow Canadians actually gotten a LF racquet from Mr. Percy Pun yet?

[S430S]

I basically give up. I order mine of the internet.
Mtakako,
Could you provide a link to the purchase? Thanks, Frank

[mtakako]

I had contacted 2 place. Inskysports has a pretty good deal. I think it comes out to be around 130 shipped for the newer 4U. However they do not take CC payments or paypal. I brought mine from bbesports. They are the newer 4U also, and it is around 135 ished I beleive and they also give me free strings. I think inskysports give you free strings also but is not 100% sure. I contact inskysport though there yahoo email , and make sure in the topic of the email you mention the model or something that is related to badminton. Or else they will not open it. Hope this help. I am still waiting for mine to come in.



Mtakako,
Could you provide a link to the purchase? Thanks, Frank

[S430S]

I had contacted 2 place. Inskysports has a pretty good deal. I think it comes out to be around 130 shipped for the newer 4U. However they do not take CC payments or paypal. I brought mine from bbesports. They are the newer 4U also, and it is around 135 ished I beleive and they also give me free strings. I think inskysports give you free strings also but is not 100% sure. I contact inskysport though there yahoo email , and make sure in the topic of the email you mention the model or something that is related to badminton. Or else they will not open it. Hope this help. I am still waiting for mine to come in.Thanks Mtakako,
I thought you bought it from in North American site. I will be in Hong Kong in 2 weeks perhaps I just pick one up from there. Inskysport is in HK, is it not?
Frank

[mtakako]

Nope.. got my from bbesports.. Can't find any NA sites and percy just don't reply to emails. :mad:


Thanks Mtakako,
I thought you bought it from in North American site. I will be in Hong Kong in 2 weeks perhaps I just pick one up from there. Inskysport is in HK, is it not?
Frank

[taneepak]

Nope.. got my from bbesports.. Can't find any NA sites and percy just don't reply to emails. :mad:

Maybe you should complain about Percy's poor service to Inskysport and suggest they terminate Percy as a Canadian agent and re-appoint someone else intead.

[outlah]

After 2 more 3 hour sessions with the 4U prototype, I have come to the conclusion that I have paid an extra $100HKD for a 3U with a different paint job and a smaller sweet spot. At least that's the case with the 4U that I've got. For some reason, I can smash harder with the 4U than the 3U, maybe I haven't got the 3U quite right yet. The down side is, the sweet spot is very small compare with the 3U's already small sweetspot. What will the fate be for this 4U? Who knows, maybe some girl will fall in love with it and take it off my hand. But for now, I will try my best to get use to it. Maybe it just needs some unorthodox technique to make it shine. :rolleyes:

[taneepak]

After 2 more 3 hour sessions with the 4U prototype, I have come to the conclusion that I have paid an extra $100HKD for a 3U with a different paint job and a smaller sweet spot. At least that's the case with the 4U that I've got. For some reason, I can smash harder with the 4U than the 3U, maybe I haven't got the 3U quite right yet. The down side is, the sweet spot is very small compare with the 3U's already small sweetspot. What will the fate be for this 4U? Who knows, maybe some girl will fall in love with it and take it off my hand. But for now, I will try my best to get use to it. Maybe it just needs some unorthodox technique to make it shine. :rolleyes:

But the real 4U is something else. Wish you could have a chance to play with it.

[outlah]

If I come back in November this year, I'll come and try out your optimized racquets, then make you sell them to me. muhaha! :D

[taneepak]

If I come back in November this year, I'll come and try out your optimized racquets, then make you sell them to me. muhaha! :D

You are welcome, anytime.

[mtakako]

taneepak, was wondering if you know what grip size does the 4U come in? I just notice that Bbesports website shown only G2 for the 4U. Didn't even notice that ( until outlah mention) , hopefully it is a typo or else that grip size is too big.



You are welcome, anytime.

[taneepak]

taneepak, was wondering if you know what grip size does the 4U come in? I just notice that Bbesports website shown only G2 for the 4U. Didn't even notice that ( until outlah mention) , hopefully it is a typo or else that grip size is too big.

G2 is equivalent to G5, the smallest grip.

[mtakako]

ooh okay.. thanks.. have me worried for a bit. :p ..




G2 is equivalent to G5, the smallest grip.

[charzord]

Review update:

LF TI500 3U G something, forgot, but i like the big grip, cause my hands are MASSIVE

I finally restrung, 20x22lbs, bg 85. I have developed this phobia of stringing more than 23 pounds........since my string broke so quickly the first time around. anyways, heres yoru reviews =P

First hour:
BOOOOOOOOOO, what a crap racket. So much vibrations, and the sweet spot was about the size of half a dime. It kind of discouraged me a bit, so me and my friends just dropped and fooled around. It was hard to drop, for the stringers put ALOT of wax on my strings to prevent it from breaking as fast. Big dissapointment in the first hour, although if you DO hit the sweet spot, it produces a loud bang. The chances of me actually hitting it though was around 1/10, therefore if i actually nail it, i would be like "did i pop my strings again?"

Second hour:
PHWWWOOWOWOWOW, what a difference. I went out, got a drink, took my racket and did drives with my friend. Suddenly, the racket seemed to zoom into focus, and every shot was nailing the center. I guess the strings must have settled in a bit more, or that the wax finally got off my strings, but either way, IT WAS AWESOME. My drives were going jsut abouve the net, and each hit produced this amazing "pop" "pop" sound, very satisfying.

Being encouraged, I tried smashes, and BOY, that was FUN!! My smashes made huge "BOOOMS", wowing my friends and myself as well. The smashes were nto jsut all show, they were fast and steep. with a flick of the wrist, I was able to land my smash just a bit over the service line. I also managed to do a couple tape-smashes, where the birdie hits the tape and flips over.

As expected, clears were very effotless. I was able to clear full court even when I hold back all my strength, fearign my strings would snap.

Third hour:
I only had two hours =P

Man, this racket is awesome. Control wise, its pretty good. I would say that even with a low tension of 20x22, I was able to put some great smashes, and the sound is just phenominal. Let the strings settle in, and you will see the difference!!

Control 8/10 (I still have wax on my strings, so not sure)
Power 10/10 (it can almsot meet/beat my tisp sx!!)
Smash 10/10 (steep, fast)
Sound 20/10 (to all cab fans: it sounds alot better than the "cab explosion" sound =P)
Paintjob 9/10 (very sexy :p)
Overall 10/10

This is one tricked out racket, and it is now my new baby. Sorry TISP SX!!!!

[BigHam]

Review update:

LF TI500 3U G something, forgot, but i like the big grip, cause my hands are MASSIVE

I finally restrung, 20x22lbs, bg 85. I have developed this phobia of stringing more than 23 pounds........since my string broke so quickly the first time around. anyways, heres yoru reviews =P

First hour:
BOOOOOOOOOO, what a crap racket. So much vibrations, and the sweet spot was about the size of half a dime. It kind of discouraged me a bit, so me and my friends just dropped and fooled around. It was hard to drop, for the stringers put ALOT of wax on my strings to prevent it from breaking as fast. Big dissapointment in the first hour, although if you DO hit the sweet spot, it produces a loud bang. The chances of me actually hitting it though was around 1/10, therefore if i actually nail it, i would be like "did i pop my strings again?"

Second hour:
PHWWWOOWOWOWOW, what a difference. I went out, got a drink, took my racket and did drives with my friend. Suddenly, the racket seemed to zoom into focus, and every shot was nailing the center. I guess the strings must have settled in a bit more, or that the wax finally got off my strings, but either way, IT WAS AWESOME. My drives were going jsut abouve the net, and each hit produced this amazing "pop" "pop" sound, very satisfying.

Being encouraged, I tried smashes, and BOY, that was FUN!! My smashes made huge "BOOOMS", wowing my friends and myself as well. The smashes were nto jsut all show, they were fast and steep. with a flick of the wrist, I was able to land my smash just a bit over the service line. I also managed to do a couple tape-smashes, where the birdie hits the tape and flips over.

As expected, clears were very effotless. I was able to clear full court even when I hold back all my strength, fearign my strings would snap.

Third hour:
I only had two hours =P

Man, this racket is awesome. Control wise, its pretty good. I would say that even with a low tension of 20x22, I was able to put some great smashes, and the sound is just phenominal. Let the strings settle in, and you will see the difference!!

Control 8/10 (I still have wax on my strings, so not sure)
Power 10/10 (it can almsot meet/beat my tisp sx!!)
Smash 10/10 (steep, fast)
Sound 20/10 (to all cab fans: it sounds alot better than the "cab explosion" sound =P)
Paintjob 9/10 (very sexy :p)
Overall 10/10

This is one tricked out racket, and it is now my new baby. Sorry TISP SX!!!!
I thought you will get a 4U, but actually you get a 3U. HaHa...

It also infatuate me, cause 3U looks much much better than 4U for a boy. However everyone is saying 4U gets more power. Can you tell me more about your 3U after more testing.

Thanks.

[charzord]

I thought you will get a 4U, but actually you get a 3U. HaHa...

It also infatuate me, cause 3U looks much much better than 4U for a boy. However everyone is saying 4U gets more power. Can you tell me more about your 3U after more testing.

Thanks.
Couldnt wait that logn for the new 4U to come out, so i jstu got the 3U :D

[taneepak]

I thought you will get a 4U, but actually you get a 3U. HaHa...

It also infatuate me, cause 3U looks much much better than 4U for a boy. However everyone is saying 4U gets more power. Can you tell me more about your 3U after more testing.

Thanks.

The 2U and 3U are more powerful for smashes than the 4U. The 4U has greater all round repulsion power. Despite being designated the same model number as the 2U and 3U, the 4U is in reality a different racquet. It has a shorter and slimmer shaft. I believe the 4U frame has a higher stronger material composite mix than the 2U and 3U. Stringing the 4U to 23/25lbs gives a more solid hit than stringing a 2U or 3U at 25/27lbs. The 2U and 3U have a softer feel than the 4U.

[taneepak]

Couldnt wait that logn for the new 4U to come out, so i jstu got the 3U :D

The new 4U has been in the market for sometime. However, if you mean the new 4U with the revised grommet 6 and 7, then you may have to wait.
Alternatively, you can do what I am doing for my friends, and that is to use a very slim fine file to enlarge the hole in grommet 6 at the throat and then fit a larger grommet. You can easily get such fine files. They are as fine and in fact finer than the awls that come with stringing machines.

[charzord]

The new 4U has been in the market for sometime. However, if you mean the new 4U with the revised grommet 6 and 7, then you may have to wait.
Alternatively, you can do what I am doing for my friends, and that is to use a very slim fine file to enlarge the hole in grommet 6 at the throat and then fit a larger grommet. You can easily get such fine files. They are as fine and in fact finer than the awls that come with stringing machines. Pfffs, you trust a 15 year old to play around with sharp pointy things with a spanking new hundred dollar racket?!?! I dont!! :p It already took me so much courage to unwrap the original grip, take out the staples form the butt cap and take out the weight from the handle!!

[taneepak]

Pfffs, you trust a 15 year old to play around with sharp pointy things with a spanking new hundred dollar racket?!?! I dont!! :p It already took me so much courage to unwrap the original grip, take out the staples form the butt cap and take out the weight from the handle!!

Well, you have at least ventured to where few others dare by stripping your grip. There is another safer and easier way than drilling the racquet handle hollow to reduce weight. Use a small screw driver and just start digging, starting at the sides of the hollow. The wood is very soft, and you can take out 1g at a time.

[Loh]

Loh, I am considering having two LF Ti 500 custom-made, a 3U and a 4U, appropriately modified, and loan them to you for a trial period. There will be no charges of any type. I will arrange for someone to deliver them to you in Singapore, who will collect them back from you after a week. The racquets will have the words La Fleche TEPTOW System written on the cone.
This will take sometime, as making just two racquets is not something the plant would want to do normally, even for me, and there is also the problem of getting someone to personally deliver them to Singapore.
How about it? :D

Sorry Taneepak, I missed this one until now. As I've posted before, I've problems with my message notifications.

How kind of you to let me try and how thoughtful! I must take on your nice gesture and will PM you on details of my address today.

I should have taken a trip to HK instead of Hanoi during the CNY. It's a bit late now. Maybe at the next opportunity and with a group of Singapore BF'ers perhaps. ;)

Thanks again! And do take your time. I want to personally experience the handiwork of the master craftsman and get the kick out of the "pow" sound which some of our young friends have enjoyed. :)

[taneepak]

Sorry Taneepak, I missed this one until now. As I've posted before, I've problems with my message notifications.

How kind of you to let me try and how thoughtful! I must take on your nice gesture and will PM you on details of my address today.

I should have taken a trip to HK instead of Hanoi during the CNY. It's a bit late now. Maybe at the next opportunity and with a group of Singapore BF'ers perhaps. ;)

Thanks again! And do take your time. I want to personally experience the handiwork of the master craftsman and get the kick out of the "pow" sound which some of our young friends have enjoyed. :)

You won't be able to see most of the changes, as most of them are underground! Only when I have overstepped in one direction do you see some telltale signs on the racquet.
I have responded to your pm.

[duke2000]

After reading through this thread, I'm just order Ti 500 4U one form Luxis pay HK$100 more for 4U. They will ship out on Sat 12 Feb. (9-11 is CN new year holiday)

I would like to know how I can make sure it will be the new one with bumpers. :( I try to ask them about it, but they are not quite understand what I mean. Can anyone in HK please help me.. ;)

Is Luxis still sell the old 4U prototype one (the one without bumpers) now? (Read that Outla got one from them without bumpers) So, scare to get the wrong one.

Anything to be carefull with my order. They did ask me about bag (let me choose the color), I thought it for free. Don't know whether they will charge for it or not.

Thank you.
Duke

[taneepak]

After reading through this thread, I'm just order Ti 500 4U one form Luxis pay HK$100 more for 4U. They will ship out on Sat 12 Feb. (9-11 is CN new year holiday)

I would like to know how I can make sure it will be the new one with bumpers. :( I try to ask them about it, but they are not quite understand what I mean. Can anyone in HK please help me.. ;)

Is Luxis still sell the old 4U prototype one (the one without bumpers) now? (Read that Outla got one from them without bumpers) So, scare to get the wrong one.

Anything to be carefull with my order. They did ask me about bag (let me choose the color), I thought it for free. Don't know whether they will charge for it or not.

Thank you.
Duke

If they don't understand what you mean by the black bumpers, then I am sorry to say they probably don't have the new model. In other words, you stand a very good chance of getting what Outlah got.

[duke2000]

If they don't understand what you mean by the black bumpers, then I am sorry to say they probably don't have the new model. In other words, you stand a very good chance of getting what Outlah got.
Thanks god that my order was not ship out on Tuesday due to the credit card link problem. (They can not link to VISA to charge my card)

I'm just sending an e-mail to them today with two pictures attached the one is the Ti500 4U with the black bumpers and the other one without. I'll call them again in the early Sat. morning (or as soon as possible) to make sure that they saw this e-mail before they ship out my stuff.

If they have the one with bumpers, I would go for 4U. But If they still have the old one (prototype?) I would better go with original 3U.

I know that new 4U is better than 3U, but original 3U should be better than prototype 4U. right?

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Taneepak, Thanks for your warning. Hope to get the right one.

Oh! you said Ti500 is good for high tension string right? I'm usually use 22x24 on my other rackets. Should I put a bit more tension with Ti500 like 24x26 or 25x27.

1. Which tension would you suggest for Ti500 4U and for Ti500 3U? (not sure which model I'll finally get)
2. Which string would be better for it BG66 or BG88ti?

Thank you very much
Duke

[taneepak]

Thanks god that my order was not ship out on Tuesday due to the credit card link problem. (They can not link to VISA to charge my card)

I'm just sending an e-mail to them today with two pictures attached the one is the Ti500 4U with the black bumpers and the other one without. I'll call them again in the early Sat. morning (or as soon as possible) to make sure that they saw this e-mail before they ship out my stuff.

If they have the one with bumpers, I would go for 4U. But If they still have the old one (prototype?) I would better go with original 3U.

I know that new 4U is better than 3U, but original 3U should be better than prototype 4U. right?

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Taneepak, Thanks for your warning. Hope to get the right one.

Oh! you said Ti500 is good for high tension string right? I'm usually use 22x24 on my other rackets. Should I put a bit more tension with Ti500 like 24x26 or 25x27.

1. Which tension would you suggest for Ti500 4U and for Ti500 3U? (not sure which model I'll finally get)
2. Which string would be better for it BG66 or BG88ti?

Thank you very much
Duke

Please make sure the black bumpers that come with the 4U are original. You might not know, but it is possible to replace the 4U prototype without black bumpers with bumpers, if they want to do so. The real 4U has a shorter and slimmer shaft than the 2U, 3U and 4U prototype.
Tension is a personal thing. All my friends' LF Ti500 2U and 3U are tensioned at 24/26lbs to 25.5/28lbs, and 4U at 23/25lbs to 24/26lbs, and they all seem to like it. However some other forum members prefer lower tension.
Both BG66 and BG68Ti are fine.