Yet another knee pain thread

[Dill]

Well, I posted a while back about twinging pain in my knees to someone elses thread so here goes.

I have noticed more pain build up recently over the last two or so months, I don't know what could be casusing it becasue I am not a doctor or physio.

I have taken the following precautions from my end to see if it anything I can do to sort it out:


Stopped playing on concrete sports centre floors
Change my trainers every 5-6 weeks in case the sole is compacting
Wear different kinds of badminton trainers, not the same ones all the time
Stop jumping up as much to take things early in the rear court
Taken the Glucosinamine and Condrinin suppliments
Rested for a couple of weeks
Put on tubed bandage after playing to compress knees
Ibuprofen tablets before playing
Pain killers before playing


After last week where my knees were sore after Monday night baddy for two days I bit the bullet and made up my mind to go and see the doctor and just happened across a self diagnoisis site, yes I know not to believe any of them without consulting a trained professional but it was informative and showed me that there can be a whole multitude of things wrong so it is better to be safe than sorry.

For my part I have not even carried out any of the tests and will leave the diagnosis to a doctor, no point in looking at the worst case scenario and convincing myself I'll never walk again :rolleyes:

So the time has come to go see the doctor tomorrow to refer me to a specialist and use the private medical insurance the work provides to try and get an MRI scan to see what is wrong before it gets worse, that much I have gleamed from this site and others with sore knees although opinions vary in what I should do, most say the MRI is the only thing to tell you what is wrong so there can be no miss-diagnosis and others say just go and see a physio.

I think I am going about it the right way!

I will let you know how things progress

[ynexfan2003]

Lose some weight; try putting a cushion under your knees when you're having a pillow-biting session :D, haha.. . Good luck getting an MRI scan on the NHS; I told you how long I had to wait to see a consultant about my injury.

[redkingjoe]

Sorry to know this.

It has to take 1500mg Glucosamine(G) per day continuously for a period of around 4weeks-8weeks to see the effects.

Also, if you take G + Bromelian(B) and calcium(C) together, it will be quicker.

I have prescribed the B+C+G to over 150 individuals from the age of 24 to 80+. At least 85% success rate on degeneration or sports injury. My patients include my son's coach, my wife, Mom in law.....

[Cheung]

Glucosamine therapy for treating osteoarthritis

ABSTRACT


Background
Osteoarthritis (OA) is the most common form of arthritis, and it is often associated with significant disability and an impaired quality of life.

Objectives
To review all randomized controlled trials (RCTs) evaluating the effectiveness and toxicity of glucosamine in osteoarthritis (OA).

Search Strategy
We searched MEDLINE, Embase, and Current Contents up to November 1999, and the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register. We also wrote letters to content experts, and hand searched reference lists of identified RCTs and pertinent review articles.

Selection Criteria
Relevant studies met the following criteria: 1) RCTs evaluating the effectiveness and safety of glucosamine in OA, 2) Both placebo based and comparative studies were eligible, 3) Both single blinded and double-blinded studies were eligible.

Data collection and analysis
Data abstraction was performed independently by two investigators and the results were compared for degree of agreement. Gøtzsche's method and a validated tool (Jadad 1996) were used to score the quality of the RCTs. Continuous outcome measures were pooled using standardized mean differences. Dichotomous outcome measures were pooled using Peto Odds Ratios.

Main Results
Collectively, the 16 identified RCTs provided evidence that glucosamine is both effective and safe in OA. In the 13 RCTs in which glucosamine was compared to placebo, glucosamine was found to be superior in all RCTs, except one. In the four RCTs in which glucosamine was compared to an NSAID, glucosamine was superior in two, and equivalent in two.

Reviewers' conclusions
Further research is necessary to confirm the long term effectiveness and toxicity of glucosamine therapy in OA. Most of the trials reviewed only evaluated the Rotta preparation of glucosamine sulfate. It is not known whether different glucosamine preparations prepared by different manufacturers are equally effective in the therapy of OA.

This record should be cited as:
Towheed TE, Anastassiades TP, Shea B, Houpt J, Welch V, Hochberg MC. Glucosamine therapy for treating osteoarthritis. The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2000, Issue 2. Art. No.: CD002946. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD002946.

REVIEWERS' CONCLUSIONS

Implications for practice
There is good evidence that glucosamine is both effective and safe in treating osteoarthritis. The long term effectiveness and toxicity of glucosamine therapy in OA remains unclear. As well, it is not known whether different glucosamine preparations prepared by different manufacturers are equally effective in the therapy of OA.



Implications for research
Despite the several RCTs, there are still a number of questions that remain unanswered regarding the use of glucosamine therapy in OA. These areas represent areas for further research. First, what is the long term efficacy and safety of glucosamine. Second, are the different glucosamine preparations sold by different manufacturers equally effective in the therapy of OA? What is the relative purity and content of glucosamine in these different preparations? Is GS equally effective to GH? Most (75%) of the RCTs reviewed in this analysis tested the Rotta preparation exclusively. Third, is glucosamine helpful for all patients with OA involving different joints and at different stages of severity? Fourth, is the dose and route of administration of glucosamine important in maximizing efficacy and minimizing toxicity? Fifth, how does glucosamine work in the treatment of OA? Sixth, further prospective long term studies are needed to assess whether glucosamine can indeed modify the progression of OA.

[Cheung]

Pharmacotherapy for patellofemoral pain syndrome

ABSTRACT


Background
Patellofemoral pain syndrome (PFPS) is common among adolescents and young adults. It is characterised by pain behind or around the patella and crepitations, provoked by ascending or descending stairs, squatting, prolonged sitting with flexed knees, running and cycling. The symptoms impede function in daily activities or sports. Pharmacological treatments focus on reducing pain symptoms (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), glucocorticosteroids), or restoring the assumed underlying pathology (compounds containing glucosamine to stimulate cartilage metabolism, anabolic steroids to increase bone density of the patella and build up supporting muscles). In studies, drugs are usually applied in addition to exercises aimed at building up supporting musculature.

Objectives
This review aims to summarise the evidence of effectiveness of pharmacotherapy in reducing anterior knee pain and improving knee function in people with PFPS.

Search Strategy
We searched the Cochrane Musculoskeletal Injuries Group and Cochrane Rehabilitation and Related Therapies Field trials registers, the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (The Cochrane Library Issue 4, 2003), PEDro (up to January 2004) , MEDLINE (1966 to January 2004), EMBASE (1988 to January 2004), and CINAHL (1982 to January 2004).

Selection Criteria
Controlled trials (randomised or not) comparing pharmacotherapy with placebo, different types of pharmacotherapy, or pharmacotherapy to other therapies for people with PFPS.

Data collection and analysis
The literature search yielded 780 publications. Eight trials were included, of which three were of high quality. Data were analysed qualitatively using best evidence synthesis, because meta-analysis was impeded by differences in route of administration of drugs, care programs and outcome measures.

Main Results
Four trials (163 participants) studied the effect of NSAIDs. Aspirin compared to placebo in a high quality trial produced no significant differences in clinical symptoms and signs. Naproxen produced significant short term pain reduction when compared to placebo, but not when compared to diflunisal. Laser therapy to stimulate blood flow in tender areas led to more satisfied participants than tenoxicam, though not significantly.

Two high quality RCTs (84 participants) studied the effect of glycosaminoglycan polysulphate (GAGPS). Twelve intramuscular injections in six weeks led to significantly more participants with a good overall therapeutic effect after one year, and to significantly better pain reduction during one of two activities. Five weekly intra-articular injections of GAGPS and lidocaine were compared with intra-articular injections of saline and lidocaine or no injections, all with concurrent quadriceps training. Injected participants showed better function after six weeks, though only the difference between GAGPS injected participants and non-injected participants was significant. The differences had disappeared after one year.

One trial (43 participants) found that intramuscular injections of the anabolic steroid nandrolone phenylpropionate significantly improved both pain and function compared to placebo injections.

Reviewers' conclusions
There is only limited evidence for the effectiveness of NSAIDs for short term pain reduction in PFPS. The evidence for the effect of glycosaminoglycan polysulphate is conflicting and merits further investigation. The anabolic steroid nandrolone may be effective, but is too controversial for treatment of PFPS.

This record should be cited as:
Heintjes E, Berger MY, Bierma-Zeinstra SMA, Bernsen RMD, Verhaar JAN, Koes BW. Pharmacotherapy for patellofemoral pain syndrome. The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2004, Issue 3. Art. No.: CD003470.pub2. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD003470.pub2.

SYNOPSIS


Drugs used to treat the symptoms of patellofemoral syndrome have little evidence base

Patellofemoral pain syndrome is common among adolescents and young adults. The most common symptom is pain surrounding the kneecap when sitting with bent knees for prolonged periods of time or when performing activities like ascending or descending stairs, squatting or athletic activities. This review of pharmacological interventions showed that non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) may reduce pain in the short term, but overall pain did not improve after three months. There is conflicting evidence on the effect of glycosaminoglycan polysulphate. The anabolic steroid nandrolone may be effective, but associated risks demand extreme caution if used for patellofemoral pain syndrome, particularly in athletes.

[Cheung]

OK I'll try to summarise the very main issues for everybody's benefit

In Osteoarthritis, glucosamine works but...
1) which preparation is best? Most studies used only this form "Rotta preparation of glucosamine sulfate"
2) what are long term side effects?
3) what dose is best?
(The review was done in the year 2000)


In patellofemoral pain syndrome, it works but...
1) you need the injections
2) only 84 patients have been studied overall
3) knee function improved at 6 weeks, no difference at 1 year
4) more studies needed in this area (e.g. does oral form work?)
(This review done in 2004!)

[Cheung]

Dill,

If you have osteoarthritis, go ahead and take glucosamine - use the rotta form (whatever that is).

Anything else seems rather superfluous.

(there may be even more updated data but I don't have the time and resources to go and search out every study)

[redkingjoe]

Dear Dill,
Thanks for Cheung's Quote. Very helpful for the effectiveness.

Don't be scarced by Quote. Please note the following:

1 If you look at the Quote, you note that there are only very limited niumbers of "open questions". I dare tell you, most of the docto'rs prescribed drugs get 2 to 3 times of open questions and uncertainty and yet have another 2-3 more "confirmed" side effect than Glucosamine.

2 If you study more carefully on the "Quote", nothing serious had been spotted. It's always valid to say "we don't know the long-term effect". We can't wait untill everything is cleared,which may take another 1000 years when we discover that taking a certain drug or drinking water from the sky will have bad impact to our X-generation, before treating a daily pain. You want to play badminton, right??

3 I will recommend www.puritan.com (http://www.puritan.com) to buy cheaply top quality Glucosamine. Product no. is 11822. Puritan is GMP. and also they ship worldwide.

4 Please try take Bromelian and Calcium, and double up the initial G for faster action. I have enough sample for B+C+G.

Best regards and get well soon.



Glucosamine therapy for treating osteoarthritis

ABSTRACT


Background
Osteoarthritis (OA) is the most common form of arthritis, and it is often associated with significant disability and an impaired quality of life.

Objectives
To review all randomized controlled trials (RCTs) evaluating the effectiveness and toxicity of glucosamine in osteoarthritis (OA).

Search Strategy
We searched MEDLINE, Embase, and Current Contents up to November 1999, and the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register. We also wrote letters to content experts, and hand searched reference lists of identified RCTs and pertinent review articles.

Selection Criteria
Relevant studies met the following criteria: 1) RCTs evaluating the effectiveness and safety of glucosamine in OA, 2) Both placebo based and comparative studies were eligible, 3) Both single blinded and double-blinded studies were eligible.

Data collection and analysis
Data abstraction was performed independently by two investigators and the results were compared for degree of agreement. Gøtzsche's method and a validated tool (Jadad 1996) were used to score the quality of the RCTs. Continuous outcome measures were pooled using standardized mean differences. Dichotomous outcome measures were pooled using Peto Odds Ratios.

Main Results
Collectively, the 16 identified RCTs provided evidence that glucosamine is both effective and safe in OA. In the 13 RCTs in which glucosamine was compared to placebo, glucosamine was found to be superior in all RCTs, except one. In the four RCTs in which glucosamine was compared to an NSAID, glucosamine was superior in two, and equivalent in two.

Reviewers' conclusions
Further research is necessary to confirm the long term effectiveness and toxicity of glucosamine therapy in OA. Most of the trials reviewed only evaluated the Rotta preparation of glucosamine sulfate. It is not known whether different glucosamine preparations prepared by different manufacturers are equally effective in the therapy of OA.

This record should be cited as:
Towheed TE, Anastassiades TP, Shea B, Houpt J, Welch V, Hochberg MC. Glucosamine therapy for treating osteoarthritis. The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2000, Issue 2. Art. No.: CD002946. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD002946.

REVIEWERS' CONCLUSIONS

Implications for practice
There is good evidence that glucosamine is both effective and safe in treating osteoarthritis. The long term effectiveness and toxicity of glucosamine therapy in OA remains unclear. As well, it is not known whether different glucosamine preparations prepared by different manufacturers are equally effective in the therapy of OA.



Implications for research
Despite the several RCTs, there are still a number of questions that remain unanswered regarding the use of glucosamine therapy in OA. These areas represent areas for further research. First, what is the long term efficacy and safety of glucosamine. Second, are the different glucosamine preparations sold by different manufacturers equally effective in the therapy of OA? What is the relative purity and content of glucosamine in these different preparations? Is GS equally effective to GH? Most (75%) of the RCTs reviewed in this analysis tested the Rotta preparation exclusively. Third, is glucosamine helpful for all patients with OA involving different joints and at different stages of severity? Fourth, is the dose and route of administration of glucosamine important in maximizing efficacy and minimizing toxicity? Fifth, how does glucosamine work in the treatment of OA? Sixth, further prospective long term studies are needed to assess whether glucosamine can indeed modify the progression of OA.

[redkingjoe]

Dill,

If you have osteoarthritis, go ahead and take glucosamine - use the rotta form (whatever that is).

Anything else seems rather superfluous.

(there may be even more updated data but I don't have the time and resources to go and search out every study)
1 With my over 150 closely monitor cases in the last 6 years, I have used only a few formular but mainly the G sulfate.

2 However, over last 3 years we used Glucosamine Hydrochloride 1500mg(puritan product 11822). It works same good as G sulfate but much cheaper(this is supposed to take life-long, if you find something effective but expensive, it's not too good.) Also, with 1500mg per pill, you just need to take it once-per day.(initially take 2 per day will be faster to see the effectiveness)

3 For your easy of mind you may consider and can search Glucosamine Sulfate in the puritan.com. Trust me: this is the cheapest in the World. GMP

Red

[Cheung]

I think Dill is not old enough to have osteoarthritis:) (he may feel old enough though).

I put up both reviews for sake of completeness. Note, I haven't put up any studies regarding use of glucosamine in anterior cruciate repair, meniscal injury. That doesn't mean to say they don't exist. They might do - it would time to search them out. If they don't exist, one possibilty is that they have not been published due to a 'lack of an effect'. i.e. the researchers were unable to prove a benefit and therefore decided not to publish the results.

This effect is called 'publication bias' - studies which show differences are more likely to be published.

Dill, if you have any doubts, ask your GP about "Evidence Based Medicine' and "Glucosamine". I think most young GPs will be conversant about EBM (older ones less likely).

[redkingjoe]

OK I'll try to summarise the very main issues for everybody's benefit

In Osteoarthritis, glucosamine works but...
1) which preparation is best? Most studies used only this form "Rotta preparation of glucosamine sulfate"
2) what are long term side effects?
3) what dose is best?
(The review was done in the year 2000)

For my over 150 subjects,
1 I used Glucosamine Hydrochloride for extensively(over 100). Works equally good.
2 My MOM in law has been taking for 6+ years, so far no side effects. But no one knows.
3 Based on my trials: best is initial month to double(3000mg) the normal dosage of 1500mg .

Fianlly, Cheung is from the Medical Professions. Trust him. I'm just Yung Doctor(Yellow-Green Doctor) who happens to be interested in Medical researching on Alternative Treament.

Red

[Cheung]

Fianlly, Cheung is from the Medical Professions. Trust him. Aaargh, famous last words....
:crying:

I'm just trying to balance out the background evidence for taking glucosamine for everybody's benefit. Note, anything I wrote was based on the most up-to-date review evidence.;)

[redkingjoe]

I think Dill is not old enough to have osteoarthritis:) (he may feel old enough though).

Dill, if you have any doubts, ask your GP about "Evidence Based Medicine' and "Glucosamine". I think most young GPs will be conversant about EBM (older ones less likely).
1 I read a very lenghty report on soft bone problems from Business. What I read from the Business Week says that we start to lose soft bone from around "mid-20." as we are losing the abilities to manufacture them.

2 I thought Dill got Post traumatic kind pain or overuse of the joint, like what a sports always been facing. Either way, G will help with 85% chance of success.

3 True that many Doctors does know well about G.

4 Please Trust Cheung. I'm only a CPA. People in Church and sport club call me "Yung Doctor(in Chinese)".

[socko]

Hi there,

I'm kinda like you, I've lived with my dodgy knees for over 12 years now. Finally I decided what I wanted to do something about the pain but I find out there's nothing I can do.

X-rays and ultrasounds have turned up negative. Yes I do agree MRI is the only way to NOT misdiagnose, but I haven't turned there yet. I have seen a doctor who specialises in prolotheraphy. He immediately diagnosed my problem. He used some big words that I'll most probably get wrong, so I won't even try.

Have a read at www.prolotheraphy.com, www. prolopain.com and www.proloinfo.com

It might or might not work for you. I'm still waiting for my first doses of the injections.

Regards

[Anatolii]

4 Please Trust Cheung. I'm only a CPA. People in Church and sport club call me "Yung Doctor(in Chinese)".
hmmm..:rolleyes: no one's doubting Cheung's word. nor preferring yours to his...:D

[pptam]

OK I'll try to summarise the very main issues for everybody's benefit

In Osteoarthritis, glucosamine works but...
1) which preparation is best? Most studies used only this form "Rotta preparation of glucosamine sulfate"
2) what are long term side effects?
3) what dose is best?
(The review was done in the year 2000)


In patellofemoral pain syndrome, it works but...
1) you need the injections
2) only 84 patients have been studied overall
3) knee function improved at 6 weeks, no difference at 1 year
4) more studies needed in this area (e.g. does oral form work?)
(This review done in 2004!)


Dear all B'forum members,

Hope you can give me some ideas.

I sprained my leg and my knee cap was dislocated. I pulled it back n not sure whether it is at the right place. Doctor said I need two months to recover however it already 1 month but I can still feel the agony pain each time I try to walk.

Any remedies to this knee problem beside MRI scan or physiotherapist?

Thanks

[Dill]

Thanks everyone and Ynexfan for your rather humerous input :rolleyes: I'll try to remember it next time I spank you on court (again)!!!

The only reason I took the Glucosinamide was to make sure I have tried everything possible in MY power to make sure I have given everything a chance, as for the tablets, I have been taking them since before the summer and around the 7 months area and they give me no benefit in the long term.

That is my opinion, not medical fact, I am not a doctor! Just my opinion based on me.

Everyone has their own ideas, that much I guess but who is right, who is wrong? That is why I'm going to get an MRI so I will know without going round 20 physios and coaches who know about this kind of thing, pitting one against the other is usually how these things end up and I want definitive answers not heresay and constant physio!

Before I spend time getting the knee and leg muscles stronger I want to know that I'm not damaging the legs further by doing exercises which will make me worse but in many peoples opinion help.

As for being too young for Osteoathritis, I'm 28 with the knees of a 65 year old ;)

A report when I get back from the docs will follow. But only if I can remember what he said :crying:

[Dill]

It's not fair either - I've spent ages looking for Yonex SHB95's and finaly found a pair and they should be arriving tomorrow, now I can't try them out for a while :p

On the other hand they'll still be there when my knees are better :)

[FEND.]

It's not fair either - I've spent ages looking for Yonex SHB95's and finaly found a pair and they should be arriving tomorrow, now I can't try them out for a while :p

On the other hand they'll still be there when my knees are better :)
Well, at least you know what the docs will say soon. And you can dream on using those SHB95s

And to pptam, don't play the fool. Get a check from the doctor or something. If it hurts, find out what the problem is, then you can make a move.

[Dill]

pptam

Go and see a doctor, you will notice in this thread I have not put once where the pain is or how it affects me, other than sore knees!

The thread was created as my way of explaining what a person should do if they experience sore knees and how I am going about finding out what is wrong and hopefully curing it. There are tens of different things that could be wrong with them and I fully meant to find out what is wrong and take protective measures so it does not happen again, after I have taken the measures to fix them by whatever means the doctors suggest.

I have a sore knee, the pain is in the front, Cheung can you please tell me what is wrong and prescribe me some medicine? NO NO NO!

Each individual is different and as such how can we let you know what is wrong if we are not medically trained, have no experience with knees, cannot see you or perform the required tests to diagnose what is wrong, even a doctor would have difficulty here.

By all means ask for pointers to prevent knee injury but after you have it how can an anonymous poster diagnose exactly when sometimes trained professionals cannot???

The point I am trying to make is that I visited a site which helps you understand the potential damage and for all of the tests for each of the injuries I can do some or all of them ok for each of the suggested impairmanets, which gets me nowhere.

Please go see a specialist after you have used your common sense to rule out the things that might have casued it in the first place as per my first post. You have rested for half the time your doctor suggested, try resting for the entire time and more, the body is not an exact science and you may require more rest than others.

[Cheung]

The thread was created as my way of explaining what a person should do if they experience sore knees and how I am going about finding out what is wrong and hopefully curing it. There are tens of different things that could be wrong with them and I fully meant to find out what is wrong and take protective measures so it does not happen again, after I have taken the measures to fix them by whatever means the doctors suggest.

I have a sore knee, the pain is in the front, Cheung can you please tell me what is wrong and prescribe me some medicine? NO NO NO!

Each individual is different and as such how can we let you know what is wrong if we are not medically trained, have no experience with knees, cannot see you or perform the required tests to diagnose what is wrong, even a doctor would have difficulty here.

By all means ask for pointers to prevent knee injury but after you have it how can an anonymous poster diagnose exactly when sometimes trained professionals cannot???
.Wise words Dill. And I thought you were looking for some sympathy.
:eek: errr, did I recommend any prescription?

[Dill]

You see I do learn, thanks to all my many BC coaches !!!!!

I am back from the doctors and everything he came up with I was able to say I at least tried to eliminate something that would cause it or attempted it already, not that I like doing that kind of thing but its better than wasting the time of doctors which I hate, they provide a very valuable service to the community!

He done all the usual pulling and stretching tests and no pain, he measured round the top of my knee and the right is one inch bigger than the left, not even the quad and hamstring just the top of the knee :eek:

I was prescribed an anti-inflamitory (I have been taking Ibuprofen tablets and let him know) called Voltarol 50mg (contains Diclofenac sodium Ph Eur) and a referral letter to a consultant in a local private hospital.

So 3 pills a day and about a week to wait until the specialist gets the referral letter.

And to make matters worse on the way out I got a call from the place I ordered the SHB95 trainers from and they are out of stock and should not even be advertising them :mad:

[ynexfan2003]

You see I do learn, thanks to all my many BC coaches !!!!!

I am back from the doctors and everything he came up with I was able to say I at least tried to eliminate something that would cause it or attempted it already, not that I like doing that kind of thing but its better than wasting the time of doctors which I hate, they provide a very valuable service to the community!

He done all the usual pulling and stretching tests and no pain, he measured round the top of my knee and the right is one inch bigger than the left, not even the quad and hamstring just the top of the knee :eek:

I was prescribed an anti-inflamitory (I have been taking Ibuprofen tablets and let him know) called Voltarol 50mg (contains Diclofenac sodium Ph Eur) and a referral letter to a consultant in a local private hospital.

So 3 pills a day and about a week to wait until the specialist gets the referral letter.

And to make matters worse on the way out I got a call from the place I ordered the SHB95 trainers from and they are out of stock and should not even be advertising them :mad:

Umm...my diagnosis is that you obviously have too much time on your hands to type all the foregoing. :D If you spent half of that time actually playing badminton you might not be in this predicament *cough of LOSING 21-0! 21-0! to poor players and complaining that your bad knees are due to anything other than your diet of fish suppers and pizzas that drip with grease.

Love...err..ynex. :p

[Jinryu]

I'm rather surprised that it didn't come up in the thread so far, but I suggest knee braces.

A tube bandage was mentioned in the original post after badminton... But what I suggest is to wear braces during badminton as well.

While it takes a doctor's diagnosis to know exactly where in a knee the injury is ( it goes without saying that not all injuries are the same ) personal experience has told me that in general, you cannot get into trouble by wearing a brace. Sure, you'll feel slower for the first few sessions. But considering the alternatives, which include natural/chemical or whatever supplements or surgery, or other forms of 'invasive' therapy, a knee brace can almost never have any sideeffects and are a relatively cheap way to help the sitution.

I'm not saying a knee brace is a license to start jumping around and running as if we're 16 again, but they help.

I'm really against those cotton tube-shaped knee braces though, I find that very often those do more harm than good-- they're too thin to really retain heat, and the pressure distribution is uneven, especially when you bend your leg. What I would suggest are those specially 'sport' model neoprene knee braces with the lateral stabilizers and the 'donut' ring over the knee cap. Though usually, the donut ring is classified as being there for patella support, for some reason manufacturers forget to mention that overal it makes the knee brace more comfortable when you bend you knee (because it doesn't constrict at the pit, as normal hole-less knee braces do.

This is by no means a 'solution' to knee pain, but I am saying that the added support and warmth of a well formed neoprene brace will reduce chances of future re-injury enough to make the initial investment of 30-40$ CAN worthwhile. And no side-effects!

If you're concerned about your knees getting to 'reliant' on the support of a knee brace, (which I think is a a misplaced accusation, because if you're so injured that you don't want to 'heal weaker' using a knee brace, you really shouldn't be playing at all, you should be resting) you can also get a looser fit, and just take advantage of the warmth retention of it.

[Dill]

I had thought of that but I prefer to know what is wrong firstly and take time out to sort it, if I have to wear knee braces to play then I might consider it but to rely on them would take some getting used to.

The doctor thought it might be cartilage damage since I sometimes hear clicking noises but not always.

And Fan, I took 2 weeks off to find out what was wrong with my knees, well that and to use up what is left of my holiday allowance since I've only used 10 days this year split up to play in baddy comps :eek:

[redkingjoe]

The only reason I took the Glucosinamide was to make sure I have tried everything possible in MY power to make sure I have given everything a chance, as for the tablets, I have been taking them since before the summer and around the 7 months area and they give me no benefit in the long term.

That is my opinion, not medical fact, I am not a doctor! Just my opinion based on me. :crying:
You said you try G for 7 months:
1 Did you take 1500Gluso on a daily basis consistently(say at least 29day in 1 months)?
2 "no benifit in the long term": does it mean there WAS really improvement after you took G for a while?

I truly believe that specialist doctor is required for the diagnosis or treatment.

I just want to share my experiences in reseaching and helping people who did not want to replace their knees with degeneration or post traumatic pain after sports . Those were not medical prescriptions, instead they are food supplement although some bone specialist also prescribed them to patient.

Hope you get well soon.

[Dill]

You said you try G for 7 months:
1 Did you take 1500Gluso on a daily basis consistently(say at least 29day in 1 months)?
2 "no benifit in the long term": does it mean there WAS really improvement after you took G for a while?

I truly believe that specialist doctor is required for the diagnosis or treatment.

I just want to share my experiences in reseaching and helping people who did not want to replace their knees with degeneration or post traumatic pain after sports . Those were not medical prescriptions, instead they are food supplement although some bone specialist also prescribed them to patient.

Hope you get well soon.

This is what I was taking and the packet suggested one per day maximum two so I took two

http://www.jointcare.com/productrange/chondroitin.html

The dose as per the page is 500mg per day so it looks like they are watered down in your view or you are Linus Pauling and his vitamin C instead with this :p

hope this helps.

[redkingjoe]

This is what I was taking and the packet suggested one per day maximum two so I took two

http://www.jointcare.com/productrange/chondroitin.html

The dose as per the page is 500mg per day so it looks like they are watered down in your view or you are Linus Pauling and his vitamin C instead with this :p

hope this helps.
1 Oh! No! If you had taken "Joint Care Max", the story on your joint might have been diff. The product that you are/have been taking is for "maintining healthy joints". Insufficient dosage to have impact.

2 "Joint care max" will provide you with 1500mg. Please do a search in seven seas web to look at joint care max.

3 1500mg is a "theraputic dosage" well researched in the Medical coummunity. You can also do your research on the 1500mg.

4 Finland has a big scale of research: over 10,000 subjects, taking 1500mg daily for 1 year. Before taking all subjects had degenative knees joints and had been x-rayed. After one year of taking, x-rays on the subjects showed an extremely ultra thin membrane reborn with these subjects.

5 I repeat: I have 150+ successfully healed patients, including my wife and mom-in-law. I'm only a CPA. These people came to me because of words of mouth. The fastest acting formular is G1500xtwo, Cal1000 + Bromelian for first two month.

Dill, we care about you and want you play Badminton the next day.

[Dill]

Oh and before I forget my theory is that I have "jumpers knee" or Patellofemoral Syndrome to give it its proper name.

There is a link here:

my sore knee (http://www.knee1.com/care/condition20.cfm/98)

but just to cheer myself up in the absence of getting a pair of SHB95's I have ordered a pair of SHB68's from the states, just a shame that the shipping cost exactly the same as the trainer :( I do hope I ordered the correct size.

[redkingjoe]

Oh and before I forget my theory is that I have "jumpers knee" or Patellofemoral Syndrome to give it its proper name.

There is a link here:

my sore knee (http://www.knee1.com/care/condition20.cfm/98)

but just to cheer myself up in the absence of getting a pair of SHB95's I have ordered a pair of SHB68's from the states, just a shame that the shipping cost exactly the same as the trainer :( I do hope I ordered the correct size.Hope you get well soon!!!
By the way, did you have a chance to test out Mizuno Angel Wave. Very good shock absorption and fast.

[Dill]

Futher addition, I have my first appointment with the consultant at Ross Hall hospital on the 11th February.

I hope it goes well, I'm in agony :crying:

[FEND.]

Futher addition, I have my first appointment with the consultant at Ross Hall hospital on the 11th February.

I hope it goes well, I'm in agony :crying:
Good luck mate. Is it still hurting bad? Or just when you pressure it.

[Dill]

Ah.................... I see the light at last

I had my apointment today and the consultant checked out my knees and there was no pain at all whilst he was trying to pull them apart to see if there was anything wrong :eek: Have to say I was slightly panicked at some of the ways he was pulling my knees around but he knows best!!

He said that the pain was most likley caused by the knee cap being pulled out of position because the quad muscles in my legs are rather large and the inner leg muscle is weaker causing the tendon/ligament that holds the knee cap to be pulled outwards by the dominant muscle and the knee cap moving out of allignment in the provided groove causing discomfort.

He had a nice model of a plastic knee :D

Oh well he booked me in for a MRI scan next Thursday to be on the safe side and then I have to have an appointment with the physio for some exercises (named after some Australian bloke who found them beneficial for knee strengthening)

Cheung - any info?

[Matt Ross]

Dill,

You have exactly the same problem i have. PFS, and also the outer part of my right leg is strong, where as the inside is weak. You'll probably be given a thera-band and given exercises to strengthen it (the vastus medialis).

I also walk funny, so i have insoles but my knee is almost 10% now :)

Rest easy buddy and happy healing.

[Dill]

Dill,

You have exactly the same problem i have. PFS, and also the outer part of my right leg is strong, where as the inside is weak. You'll probably be given a thera-band and given exercises to strengthen it (the vastus medialis).

I also walk funny, so i have insoles but my knee is almost 10% now :)

Rest easy buddy and happy healing.

I hope that was a typo (10%) :eek: , anyway I haven't really noticed a deterioration in my game other than I am a bit cautious of big mad lunges after doing the diagonals because of carrying speed but then again I am only a social player.

Do you wear knee braces to play in? With me it's both knees and I was wondering if wearing a brace would help keep the knee cap in position so it does not hurt as much :confused:

[Matt Ross]

Sorry,

I meant 100% lol. Another thing you can talk about with your doctor is perhaps strapping it up? In England you have Elastoplast, comes in a roll and hopefully, if you take th knee cap to the left (presuming its your right knee) then it might help with the tracking of the knee cap.

[Dill]

I used to use it on my ankle but it is murder to get off because it is sticky (I have hairy legs :eek: painfull), I came across a bandage that sticks to itself but not to you when you wrap it and that seems to work ok although I have't tried it on my knees yet.

[Pete LSD]

Talk about sexy and smooth legs afterward!


I used to use it on my ankle but it is murder to get off because it is sticky (I have hairy legs :eek: painfull), I came across a bandage that sticks to itself but not to you when you wrap it and that seems to work ok although I have't tried it on my knees yet.

[Pete LSD]

My left knee suffers patellofemoral pain syndrome. It clicks and pops all the time with a slight sensation of soreness. I went to see UBC's Sport Medicine experts. They said that the only solution was to do strength training, rest and avoid high-impact activities. Strength training should focus on the weaker side of the muscle group that controls the knee.

[Dill]

I had my MRI scan on Thursday and have to wait until the 11th March for the results.

Has anyone else had one of these scans? They are extremely noisy, I fell asleep whilst they were doing one of my knees and they had to wake me up to change over to the other :o

[Gollum]

I had my MRI scan on Thursday and have to wait until the 11th March for the results.

Has anyone else had one of these scans? They are extremely noisy, I fell asleep whilst they were doing one of my knees and they had to wake me up to change over to the other :o

Yes, I had one to determine whether I had CJD (creutzfeldt jakob disease, the human form of mad cow disease). They scanned my brain :eek:

[R20190]

I have a similar problem with my left knee, its the soft area below my knee cap. Don't feel it walking but going up and down stairs takes a bit more effort. Its been like this for over 5 months now but I had accupunture (sp?) and some chinese medicine which seem to have helped but not completely cured it.

Anyway, I saw my local doctor last week about it and he's referred me to a physiotherapist - who I'm going to see tomorrow.

[Dill]

I got my results today and the consultant said there was nothing wrong with the ligaments or tendons and they were as should be. There is no problem or thinning of the knee cap or cartiledge and apparently the knee cap is tracking properly.

It's just mechanical pain associated with movement :confused:

Why are my knees so sore with no obvious damage :crying:

Cheung?

[socko]

Gidday mate,
Same thing here, but have a read on www.prolotherapy.com

It's been a miracle cure for my knees. It's absolutely insane what they do, but the results are fantastic. Just reading won't do you any harm.

Cheers


I got my results today and the consultant said there was nothing wrong with the ligaments or tendons and they were as should be. There is no problem or thinning of the knee cap or cartiledge and apparently the knee cap is tracking properly.

It's just mechanical pain associated with movement :confused:

Why are my knees so sore with no obvious damage :crying:

Cheung?

[FEND.]

I got my results today and the consultant said there was nothing wrong with the ligaments or tendons and they were as should be. There is no problem or thinning of the knee cap or cartiledge and apparently the knee cap is tracking properly.

It's just mechanical pain associated with movement :confused:

Why are my knees so sore with no obvious damage :crying:

Cheung?
Why not get a 2nd and 3rd opinion for it? Probably the consultant missed something?

[WhyrlWynd]

I got my results today and the consultant said there was nothing wrong with the ligaments or tendons and they were as should be. There is no problem or thinning of the knee cap or cartiledge and apparently the knee cap is tracking properly.

It's just mechanical pain associated with movement :confused:

Why are my knees so sore with no obvious damage :crying:

Cheung?
hey, same diagnose i get for my knee pains few years ago. I get pain yet the specialist can't find any fault :rolleyes:

[Pete LSD]

I have the same problem. My right knee sits firmer and sticks out higher than my left knee.

http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/html/steps/step_01_basics/tests.html

Another visit to UBC's Sport Medicine specialists confirm my condition as chondromalacia patella. :crying: :crying: :crying:

I am taking 3 X 1300mg capsule of glucosamine, chdondroitin & MSM per day.

Has anyone heard of CHONDROCYTE (CARTICEL) GRAFTING?



You see I do learn, thanks to all my many BC coaches !!!!!

.......

He done all the usual pulling and stretching tests and no pain, he measured round the top of my knee and the right is one inch bigger than the left, not even the quad and hamstring just the top of the knee :eek:

........

[Pete LSD]

This is quite graphic. The following link relates to an operation to repair cartilage damage of the femur bone:

http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp08029.htm

CHONDROCYTE (CARTICEL) GRAFTING

[jcl49]

This is quite graphic. The following link relates to an operation to repair cartilage damage of the femur bone:

http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp08029.htm

CHONDROCYTE (CARTICEL) GRAFTING
Aargh, I thought Pete meant "graphical / diagrammatic", but he meant "explicit graphics". Definitely not for the faint hearted...like myself.

[Pete LSD]

Here is the main page for this type of knee surgery. As one can see, the patella is :eek: detached during the surgery. Okie, I will throw up now!

http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp08000.htm

[badplayer2004]

glucosamine is quite expensive here..and heard that its not recommended for heart patients or those with diabetes

also after spending and eating for months and finding out it didnt work for you :mad:

for my dad who is at risk..i use glucosamine skin creme...topical application on the spot :rolleyes: than having to take internally...might work faster directly :) like it did for him

anyways...for the older folkes..drinking apple cider vinegar with honey and water as your sports drink might help you as it did me...with aging..inefficient uric acid removal and accumulation might be causing your joint pains...drink it at least once a month

googlelit http://www.google.com.ph/search?hl=en&q=apple+cider+vinegar+knee+joint+pain&spell=1

[Pete LSD]

As confimred by other knee related threads, light but frequent biking as well as body-weight squats help tremendously in my recovery. I am still far from 100% but the pain has dramatically gone down in level. The petalla and femur catches less frequently now. Icing after exercises also control swelling allowing the knee to have more mobility.

Current daily joint supplement = 6 X 1300 mg capsules of glu & con & MSM + 6 X 350 mg capsules of celadrin.

[Pete LSD]

I understand a BF member here has experience with glucosamine injection directly into the knee.

Have our resident doctor(s) ;) heard of this type of knee injection?

hyaluronic acid and glycosaminoglycans

[DinkAlot]

I will recommend www.puritan.com (http://www.puritan.com/) to buy cheaply top quality Glucosamine. Product no. is 11822. Puritan is GMP. and also they ship worldwide.

Thanks for the info, I will try this as well. Can't hurt to be more cautious. :)

[Froca]

It's not fair either - I've spent ages looking for Yonex SHB95's and finaly found a pair and they should be arriving tomorrow, now I can't try them out for a while :p

On the other hand they'll still be there when my knees are better :)
hey samething happening to me right now.
just got a pair of SHB-89 MG and now my knee is screwed:crying:.
really wanna try it out and see it's full potential and jump around in it...at least not for a while.

[Totoro800OF]

Pete:

No kidding? 6x1300mg? That's like 5 to 6 times the normal dosage. Are there any risk of over dosage?

I had taken G for 2 months long time ago and see no effect. Then my pharmacist told me I should take G with MSN for at least 6 months to see improvement. The dosage is 1500mg per day.

Lately, I found that doing lot's of warm up helps. Body weight squating is very important before game. With proper warm up and playing only 3 times a weeks help maintain my knees and elbows.








As confimred by other knee related threads, light but frequent biking as well as body-weight squats help tremendously in my recovery. I am still far from 100% but the pain has dramatically gone down in level. The petalla and femur catches less frequently now. Icing after exercises also control swelling allowing the knee to have more mobility.

Current daily joint supplement = 6 X 1300 mg capsules of glu & con & MSM + 6 X 350 mg capsules of celadrin.

[Pete LSD]

No effects so far.

Yeah, it takes at least 6 months for full effect.

I have to bike for 30 minutes as warm up before I play. I also do drop weight squats. Just make sure you keep the middle of your knee aligned with your second toe. All in all, I require at least an hour to warm up for baddie :D .


Pete:

No kidding? 6x1300mg? That's like 5 to 6 times the normal dosage. Are there any risk of over dosage?

I had taken G for 2 months long time ago and see no effect. Then my pharmacist told me I should take G with MSN for at least 6 months to see improvement. The dosage is 1500mg per day.

Lately, I found that doing lot's of warm up helps. Body weight squating is very important before game. With proper warm up and playing only 3 times a weeks help maintain my knees and elbows.

[Pete LSD]

How screwed is your knee?


hey samething happening to me right now.
just got a pair of SHB-89 MG and now my knee is screwed:crying:.
really wanna try it out and see it's full potential and jump around in it...at least not for a while.

[Froca]

How screwed is your knee?
it's weird cause when ever i play, it doesn't hurt at all. but after i stop, it start to hurt really bad. after i've been stitting for a while and then stand up, i can't make my right leg go straight. the part under my knee cap really hurts and whenever i press on the right side of it, it really stings. right now i'm taking glucosamine , devil's claw and calcium. hope all this would heal my knee before my school badminton team start:p

[Pete LSD]

Please see a specialist too. You have to do lots of drop squats with weights to strengthen your quads.


it's weird cause when ever i play, it doesn't hurt at all. but after i stop, it start to hurt really bad. after i've been stitting for a while and then stand up, i can't make my right leg go straight. the part under my knee cap really hurts and whenever i press on the right side of it, it really stings. right now i'm taking glucosamine , devil's claw and calcium. hope all this would heal my knee before my school badminton team start:p

[Froca]

This is quite graphic. The following link relates to an operation to repair cartilage damage of the femur bone:

http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp08029.htm

CHONDROCYTE (CARTICEL) GRAFTING

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: VERY VERY desturbing images!!! those pics really scares me. Hope my knee don't have a big hole like that:p. if my i see my knee like that, i'm gonna freak out and then cry for years:crying:.

fell sorry for those ppl

[Froca]

Here is the main page for this type of knee surgery. As one can see, the patella is :eek: detached during the surgery. Okie, I will throw up now!

http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp08000.htm
uh man! thowing up all the way

[DinkAlot]

uh man! thowing up all the way

Yes, there should definitely be a WARNING of some sorts.

[Froca]

glucosamine is quite expensive here..and heard that its not recommended for heart patients or those with diabetes

also after spending and eating for months and finding out it didnt work for you :mad:

for my dad who is at risk..i use glucosamine skin creme...topical application on the spot :rolleyes: than having to take internally...might work faster directly :) like it did for him

anyways...for the older folkes..drinking apple cider vinegar with honey and water as your sports drink might help you as it did me...with aging..inefficient uric acid removal and accumulation might be causing your joint pains...drink it at least once a month

googlelit http://www.google.com.ph/search?hl=en&q=apple+cider+vinegar+knee+joint (http://www.google.com.ph/search?hl=en&q=apple+cider+vinegar+knee+joint+pain&spell=1)
+pain&spell=1 (http://www.google.com.ph/search?hl=en&q=apple+cider+vinegar+knee+joint+pain&spell=1)

hey does the apple cifer vineger honey water really help? so that's why my mommy make me drink apple cider all the time. gusse now i'll go drink some with glucosamin, devil's claw and calcium

now i feel like some old guy in a senior home who has to eat a hand full of pills everyday:(

[Froca]

As confimred by other knee related threads, light but frequent biking as well as body-weight squats help tremendously in my recovery. I am still far from 100% but the pain has dramatically gone down in level. The petalla and femur catches less frequently now. Icing after exercises also control swelling allowing the knee to have more mobility.

Current daily joint supplement = 6 X 1300 mg capsules of glu & con & MSM + 6 X 350 mg capsules of celadrin.

hey wats con, msm and celadrin? wat do they do?
:confused:

[Pete LSD]

http://users.erols.com/equinox/aci_patient.html

Here is an actual patient's report. There are links on that page but aren't obvious. The patient is a football player like S4MadMan and built just like him ;) .

[Froca]

Please see a specialist too. You have to do lots of drop squats with weights to strengthen your quads.

yea i will, i'm going to see my family doc again but i don't think he'll help much.
i really want to go see a physical /sports thereopy but they cost way too much:crying:!!!

[DinkAlot]

The patient is a football player like S4MadMan and built just like him ;) .

What are you talking about? I have a figure like a super model. :D :p :p :p

[Pete LSD]

You get to look into the long term. If you really want to know the exact problem with your knee, get a private MRI scan. I had mine at CAD 475, GST & PST included.


yea i will, i'm going to see my family doc again but i don't think he'll help much.
i really want to go see a physical /sports thereopy but they cost way too much:crying:!!!

[Dill]

You get to look into the long term. If you really want to know the exact problem with your knee, get a private MRI scan. I had mine at CAD 475, GST & PST included.

MRI is the only way to go!!! I was lucky and the company I worked for at the time pushed it through the private medical insurance and the whole thing was done very quickly once the ball had started rolling.

Only problem was that the doc's gave the all clear but I'm still hurting :(

[Simp84]

uh man! thowing up all the way
cmon.. its not that bad is it?? lol

[Froca]

Sorry to know this.

It has to take 1500mg Glucosamine(G) per day continuously for a period of around 4weeks-8weeks to see the effects.

Also, if you take G + Bromelian(B) and calcium(C) together, it will be quicker.

I have prescribed the B+C+G to over 150 individuals from the age of 24 to 80+. At least 85% success rate on degeneration or sports injury. My patients include my son's coach, my wife, Mom in law.....
hey i went to the local pharmist and ask for that b+c+g combo and the dude there told me i shouldn't take B and he's not sure y B is part of the combo:rolleyes:

what does B do anyway?

[Froca]

i would be fine with ma screwed up knee if i'm 80 years old( waiting to die already) but COME ON i'm ONLY 15!!! i still have a birght future out there in front of me. who knows maybe i was suppose to be a olmpic badminton finallist reppresenting Canada:p. But now i'm just a 15 year old boy with a 80 year old knee.

instead of speeding towards my goal on being succesful in badminton, i am now limpping towards it:(...

[Froca]

by the way, for all those ppl out there who's knee is injured or has been injured, how bad was it? was ur knee injury from contacting something? or did it just start to hurt after u played?

i'm really confused about mine:confused: my knee began to hurt when one day i played to hard and laded on my heals hard may times during the game. my knee did not come in contact with anything. the doc and everyone else said it's no big deal since there's no contact and the x-ray only showed there's a bit of swealling under my knee cap. however, i think it's getting worse:( and worse everyday. now with every step i take, it hurts.


i'm planning on going to see some speacialist but i don't know what kind i should go to. should i go to the physical sports therepy or those chinese docs:confused::confused::confused:. and also there's the cost:( if they are sure they can fix it, i'll pay as much as the desire, but the thing is right now they all saw "well, it depends on how badly u are injured, some may take 3 days, some may take years:eek:." YEARS that's a lot of $$$$$.

man i miss my old perfect knee:crying::crying::crying:

[Shuttlebugs]

by the way, for all those ppl out there who's knee is injured or has been injured, how bad was it? was ur knee injury from contacting something? or did it just start to hurt after u played?

i'm really confused about mine:confused: my knee began to hurt when one day i played to hard and laded on my heals hard may times during the game. my knee did not come in contact with anything. the doc and everyone else said it's no big deal since there's no contact and the x-ray only showed there's a bit of swealling under my knee cap. however, i think it's getting worse:( and worse everyday. now with every step i take, it hurts.


i'm planning on going to see some speacialist but i don't know what kind i should go to. should i go to the physical sports therepy or those chinese docs:confused::confused::confused:. and also there's the cost:( if they are sure they can fix it, i'll pay as much as the desire, but the thing is right now they all saw "well, it depends on how badly u are injured, some may take 3 days, some may take years:eek:." YEARS that's a lot of $$$$$.

man i miss my old perfect knee:crying::crying::crying:


How old are you and was this the first time you have such a serious injury?? You are very young and this sounds like your first one...
The 'getting worse everyday' is probably because the swelling is starting to subside. I think you should leave it longer and give your knee some good rest. Maybe two or three weeks. Then see what happens.

[Froca]

How old are you and was this the first time you have such a serious injury?? You are very young and this sounds like your first one...
The 'getting worse everyday' is probably because the swelling is starting to subside. I think you should leave it longer and give your knee some good rest. Maybe two or three weeks. Then see what happens.

my age one the profile is true:D 15 yrs old.
and this is my first injury yet in badminton. now i'm taking a rest from it, i have not been playing for 1 and 1/2 weeks and i also canceled my jan- mar class at lee's badminton:crying:. i'm taking those pills and just how things won't get too serious and hope my knee would heal before my school badminton season start:o

[DinkAlot]

my age one the profile is true:D 15 yrs old.

If you are only 15 years old and have a knee injury, I would be extra, extra careful in having it heal properly. Most people do not have knee injuries until they are in their late 20s-30s-40s.

Good luck on a speedy recovery. :)

[Froca]

hey guys my knee is finally feeling better now( after 3 and half week of no badminton:() but it's all worth it!!:)
for all u ppl out there whos is around 15 yrs old or 10-17, don't worry too much if u have a knee injury. i did some research and i found out that for ppl in this age goup, it's very common for them to suffer knee pain, espeacially when u are doing very active sports that require lots of knee support(badminton;)). therefore, don't worry too much, just take a rest and make sure u are getting enough nutrients; eat ur vegatables like ur mama told u:D and drink the milk too:D!!!

also i found out that putting heating pad on ur knee or sleep in a tub of hot water to be very effective. it helps to relief the muscles around ur knee area and it feels goooooood too:D. so give it a try, at least there no "side effect":p. and it's also cheaper than going to therepy;). unless ur a very environmetally friendly dude who really care about saving H2O, give the method a shot.
anyways, my knee is not at it's best yet and i'm still gonna try to stay off the court( at least for x-mas) so that it'll complete heal.

good luck to all u ppl out there who's still suffering through knee pain

hope u'll all get better

dave

[DinkAlot]

for all u ppl out there whos is around 15 yrs old or 10-17, don't worry too much if u have a knee injury. i did some research and i found out that for ppl in this age goup, it's very common for them to suffer knee pain, espeacially when u are doing very active sports that require lots of knee support(badminton;)). therefore, don't worry too much, just take a rest and make sure u are getting enough nutrients; eat ur vegatables like ur mama told u:D and drink the milk too:D!!!


Disagree with your conclusion but agree (mostly) with the remedy.

If you are 10-17 years old, you should not be having any types of pain. If you are, you are definitely overexerting yourself.

But I do agree, rest is key component of recovery as you youngster recover so fast. As always, if you have problems, consult with a Specialist.

[Pete LSD]

I am not sure how muscular your legs are, but do work on your quads. Build them up as big as possible. Play less and train more :) .


hey guys my knee is finally feeling better now( after 3 and half week of no badminton:() but it's all worth it!!:)
for all u ppl out there whos is around 15 yrs old or 10-17, don't worry too much if u have a knee injury. i did some research and i found out that for ppl in this age goup, it's very common for them to suffer knee pain, espeacially when u are doing very active sports that require lots of knee support(badminton;)). therefore, don't worry too much, just take a rest and make sure u are getting enough nutrients; eat ur vegatables like ur mama told u:D and drink the milk too:D!!!

also i found out that putting heating pad on ur knee or sleep in a tub of hot water to be very effective. it helps to relief the muscles around ur knee area and it feels goooooood too:D. so give it a try, at least there no "side effect":p. and it's also cheaper than going to therepy;). unless ur a very environmetally friendly dude who really care about saving H2O, give the method a shot.
anyways, my knee is not at it's best yet and i'm still gonna try to stay off the court( at least for x-mas) so that it'll complete heal.

good luck to all u ppl out there who's still suffering through knee pain

hope u'll all get better

dave

[Double_Player]

wear a knee brace/support. It always helps

[GunBlade008]

Sorry to revive a thread like this, but I've had tendinitis (Jumper's Knee) for well over a year now, but recently, the pain has just spiked. Glimpses of incredible pain arises a day after I play while I sit down or when I'm just standing. I've just purchased a knee brace and will use it everytime I play, but is it advisable to buy just one knee brace and continue playing or should I take a break from badminton until school starts?

BTW: I've visited doctors and athletic medics before about this problem and none of them really helped my knee to recover, they just provide ways to dull or lessen the pain.

[RSLdude]

Sorry to revive a thread like this, but I've had tendinitis (Jumper's Knee) for well over a year now, but recently, the pain has just spiked. Glimpses of incredible pain arises a day after I play while I sit down or when I'm just standing. I've just purchased a knee brace and will use it everytime I play, but is it advisable to buy just one knee brace and continue playing or should I take a break from badminton until school starts?

BTW: I've visited doctors and athletic medics before about this problem and none of them really helped my knee to recover, they just provide ways to dull or lessen the pain.

try to apply ice (cold compress) after every game, and in most cases if you feel some "tenderness" in your knees. i guess your doctor has prescribed NSAID to ease any form of swelling and pain. rest will be an important aspect in your recovery. ask a physical therapist for some knee strenghtening exercises as well. just be patient and i'm sure you'll be back in no time. i hope this helps.;)

[GunBlade008]

Thanks alot for the advice, karma for you!

[Kiloo]

After 2 years I for one wud like to know about how all the guys posted here are now faring. Hnvg recently gone down with knee pain I am going thru all these threads on this site in an attempt to find something useful and I did.
1-stopped playing mostly (3 weeks now)
2-wearing brace when i hv to walk or stand for over 1/2hr. relieves weight on the joint
3-taking 2000mg Glucosamine/day
4-physio recommended special exercises, diligently doing (BORING LOL)
Found much less pain in past 2 days, can bend knee well but still apinful at the end.
So much for now

[bradmyster]

15 years old and having pains can also come down to growing pains. (sorry if its been mentioned...i havnt taken the time to read through everything.)

You still have another 5 years or so of growing and at around age 15 you go through a fairly large growth spurt. This combined with overextension of your knee or a slight strain on your knee could be the cause of all the pain.

Just something else to think about.

[land81]

Hi, i started playing badminton again recently after stopping nearly 2 years due to knee injury. My knee pain is gone for now but i am just wondering whether by wearing knee bands or braces will be appropriate to prevent knee pain again. Which is better recommended? bands or braces?

[Kiloo]

Whatever u do, chose something which will NOT press yr knee cap onto the knee head of the femur. The knee band has to have a hole in it to leave the cap free, while keeping everything together.

[Kiloo]

I wanted to ask, whether it was in this thread or the other, that PRP was mentioned (Platelet Rich Plasma). I read a lot about it. Has anyone done the treatment. Any results, ideas, opinions are welcome as I got an appointment to go for treatment. Before I go I'd like to hv a few tips. Thnx