so high tention, head heavy, stiff racuet = ultimate power?

[trunks512]

What I have learned from this forum so far is:
generally higher tension gives your more power,
head heavyness gives your more power,
and a stiff racquet will give you more power then a flexible one.

Did what I say so far is correct?

anyway leads me to my question

if a racquest is pretty head heavy
strings are at high tension
and the racquet is extra stiff

Will the Racquet generate more power? Then an Average tension, even balance, average stiffness racquet?

thanks for answering,
Trunks

[charzord]

I know too little to comment about the power, but all I can tell u is that an ultra-high tension, head heavy stiff racket would kill your arm if your arm isn't strong enough!!:D

[Brave_Turtle]

What I have learned from this forum so far is:
generally higher tension gives your more power,
head heavyness gives your more power,
and a stiff racquet will give you more power then a flexible one.

Did what I say so far is correct?

anyway leads me to my question

if a racquest is pretty head heavy
strings are at high tension
and the racquet is extra stiff

Will the Racquet generate more power? Then an Average tension, even balance, average stiffness racquet?

thanks for answering,
Trunks

Guess u havent learn anything... IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOU!!!!!

Some smash harder with higher tension, some harder with lower tension.

[trunks512]

but im saying in general

[kwun]

but im saying in general

in general, it depends on ... *you*

[bluejeff]

My replies are in blue :)

What I have learned from this forum so far is:
generally higher tension gives your more power,
Not always true.
head heavyness gives your more power,
Only if you can utilize it
and a stiff racquet will give you more power then a flexible one.
Same as above

Did what I say so far is correct?
Not quite

anyway leads me to my question

if a racquest is pretty head heavy
strings are at high tension
and the racquet is extra stiff

Will the Racquet generate more power? Then an Average tension, even balance, average stiffness racquet?
No, there is no racquet in the world that will generate power for you. You are the one who is playing, and you will be the one to generate power.

thanks for answering,
Trunks

[LazyBuddy]

All the factors that you listed might have the "potential" according to the equipment factor(s).

However, wether if could be applied to be the truth or not, depend on the player's own strength / skill. Also, don't push too hard and way beyond your lvl, it will result into injuries easily.

[Cheung]

In general, the person generates the power. A racquet cannot help a person 'generate' more power. That's why you are getting these answers saying 'ite depends on you' ;)

[redkingjoe]

What I have learned from this forum so far is:
generally higher tension gives your more power
Trunks
Sounds like you read the above from some other forums. From what I read, the higher the tension the better the control but the lower the power within the effective range(eg a 23lb compare to 30lb).

[Pete LSD]

To generate lots of power, please train your technique and read REAPER's Strength With the HK Team Report. :)

[odjn]

So is my power determined by fate and my genes? Does this mean i'll never be able to have that CHen Hong Jump smash I always wanted!?? :crying:

[redkingjoe]

To be fair to the Qs and As. I believe Trunks512 is actually asking a question like "same technique, same body(genes+fitness), a guy with super high tension, headheavy, utltra-stiff racket generates more power than without the "super racket"" :D So may be we do not need to talk about those techniques+body even they are the keys.

[kwun]

To be fair to the Qs and As. I believe Trunks512 is actually asking a question like "same technique, same body(genes+fitness), a guy with super high tension, headheavy, utltra-stiff racket generates more power than without the "super racket"" :D So may be we do not need to talk about those techniques+body even they are the keys. let see if this analogy works out...

Q: which size shirt fits better? S or L?

A: our answer would be: it depends on the person.

then someone comes in a ask:

Q: given the same size person, same height, weight, waitline etc, does the L size shirt give a better fit??

A: erm.... the answer is the same: it depends

here is how i think about it:

it is not how "powerful" a tension is, it is how the tension fits the technique and strength of the player. in general, a player with better technique/power (ie. more advance player) suits higher tension better, while a player with less refined techinque/power suits low tension better.

[taneepak]

Trunks512, a pretty head-heavy racquet will generally give you more power if the racquet is designed for it. Some racquet design will lose power of you make the head heavy. I don't know why, but I suspect the shaft's behaviour under dynamic play has something to do with it. :D

[redkingjoe]

Your story is correct on shirt but are you sure your analogy is a true reflection of each element that we are referring to? Please read carefully and compare again. Thanks.


let see if this analogy works out...

Q: which size shirt fits better? S or L?

A: our answer would be: it depends on the person.

then someone comes in a ask:

Q: given the same size person, same height, weight, waitline etc, does the L size shirt give a better fit??

A: erm.... the answer is the same: it depends

here is how i think about it:

it is not how "powerful" a tension is, it is how the tension fits the technique and strength of the player. in general, a player with better technique/power (ie. more advance player) suits higher tension better, while a player with less refined techinque/power suits low tension better.

[Dill]

here is how i think about it:

it is not how "powerful" a tension is, it is how the tension fits the technique and strength of the player. in general, a player with better technique/power (ie. more advance player) suits higher tension better, while a player with less refined techinque/power suits low tension better.

This is the only way to think of it since it is true.

Tension, rackets, grips, strings etc all combine to make what you use. It is specific to you and over time you find out what suits your playing style.

The general information is only advice on what suits that particular person not the formula for all to follow.

As for the tension thing, it is what I noticed in my "madness" of various tension comparisons thread from way back.

[Swingman]

I would like to say something on this topic because once upon a time, I also had the same question in my mine.

1. For person with good technique and form, which means they know how to swing his/her arm properly to generate full power, they can generate great power even a flex racket like MP88, i.e. Malaysian player Lee Chong Wai (李宗偉) who uses blue colour MP88 and smash so powerful and lightning fast in Singapore Open 2004. He is an totally offensive player. (I hope I can play like him.)

2. For average person who does not manage to swing properly and use their forearm to generate power, a stiffer and head heavier racket will help them to generate more power than a flex and head light racket.

3. For you, I guess you are not very good player. (Please do mad with me if you are good player.) I suggest to find a racket not too stiff because you cannot develop a good form. Try an even and a little bit flex racket, i.e. Cab30MS(3U) or TI SP SR/SS to learn and experience the feel of swing the racket to generate power and also not very flex. Don't uses your forearm to generate power. Use these rackets as a learning tool.

4. Unfortunately, I'm not a good player and generate power by my forearm. I always feel jealous on the people in my club capable to swing 'beautiful' and nicely to generate power to smash, drop, and clear in the same swinging form (which difficult to predict).

5. I think the above ppl says are right. I depends on 'you' - your playing style - your technique.

[avaxis]

what are the (design?) criterias (in theory anyway) for a racquet to convert the swinging/flicking motion of the arm/wrist to hit and propel the bird in the most efficient manner?

[trunks512]

see one thing about this forum...

I just want to know like let say
i have perfect tenchique, timing, everything, etc (Which i dont)

plus the fact that i never mentioned anywhere it was about ME

[Gollum]

You still don't get it, do you?

There is no ultimate power racket.
There is no ultimate player - not even in theory.

Even the best players have different styles. Slight differences in technique, in height, in the way their bodies are built, in the way they think - these can affect what racket suits them.

If you were talking about a badminton-playing robot, with specifiable and measurable capabilities, then perhaps we could find the most effective configuration of equipment for it to produce powerful shots. But people aren't like that. There are too many subtle differences between even the best players for anyone to determine what racket is the best in general. For all we know, the optimum string tension for power depends on the length of your arms.

There are just too many variables to make your question meaningful. You can satisfy yourself with a shallow answer if you like. Go on - decide on the Holy Grail of power rackets. It won't mean anything, but if it makes you happy that's enough ;)

[Dill]

What I have learned from this forum so far is:
generally higher tension gives your more power,
head heavyness gives your more power,
and a stiff racquet will give you more power then a flexible one.

Did what I say so far is correct?

anyway leads me to my question

if a racquest is pretty head heavy
strings are at high tension
and the racquet is extra stiff

Will the Racquet generate more power? Then an Average tension, even balance, average stiffness racquet?

thanks for answering,
Trunks

Well don't refer to yourself then

[fanatico]

i think that if you use higher tension racquets, your shuttlecock will travel a shorter distance, however, because it travels less, you have to use more strength. therefore, with a high tension racquet you can hit the bird FASTER but not further, you need more strength to use high tension racquets. high tension racquets have more control and if you have that strength your bird will be able to reach a high speed.

for low tension racquets, the shuttlecock would be able to travel over a further distance, however, if you use as much strength to get that speed of a high tension racquet, the shuttlecock will definitely fly out. lower tension racquets have less control and you will not be able to reach a high speed without the bird going out.

therefore, whether high or low tension racquets are good, it depends mostly on oneself. if you have the power, you should use high tension racquets, however if you dont, using it will only cause your shots to be short. if you lack the power, using lower tension racquets will be ideal, its just trading speed for power. thank you.:cool:

[redkingjoe]

see one thing about this forum...

I just want to know like let say
i have perfect tenchique, timing, everything, etc (Which i dont)

plus the fact that i never mentioned anywhere it was about ME
trunks512,
Don't worry and don't be upset if they don't try to understand your "real questions". BC is very friendly. The guys here just want to give their "best answer" to you without taking your assumptions. I'm sure members here just want to give the best out of their mind.

[redkingjoe]

Wish you get your "intended answer" soon.
red

[Mr. Anderson]

I can see where you are coming from and where the others are coming from.

Well I'm no expert but generally speaking, a head heavy and stiff racket would produce more power than a head light and flexible racket, all other factors being equal.

But like others said, the most critical factor lies in YOU. It is YOU who determines how the racket will perform. I know a guy in my school team who smashes a lot and yet uses an MP 88. There's another guy who excels in drops, net shots and chops using the AT 700.

So honestly speaking, any differences are minute, you might generate a lil' more power, but with poor techniques, even something like NanoTec Power 10000 can't save you.;)

P.S. I don't know if it's just me, but somehow I feel strings have a far greater effect than rackets. For example when I had my racket restrung with BG 68Ti (the string with the greatest repulsion power) after I finally got fed up and cut the factory strings, there was so much power that my clears which landed the shuttle about 1m from the boundary kept going out if I used the same amount of force.

[forrestyung]

I can see where you are coming from and where the others are coming from.

Well I'm no expert but generally speaking, a head heavy and stiff racket would produce more power than a head light and flexible racket, all other factors being equal.

But like others said, the most critical factor lies in YOU. It is YOU who determines how the racket will perform. I know a guy in my school team who smashes a lot and yet uses an MP 88. There's another guy who excels in drops, net shots and chops using the AT 700.

So honestly speaking, any differences are minute, you might generate a lil' more power, but with poor techniques, even something like NanoTec Power 10000 can't save you.;)

P.S. I don't know if it's just me, but somehow I feel strings have a far greater effect than rackets. For example when I had my racket restrung with BG 68Ti (the string with the greatest repulsion power) after I finally got fed up and cut the factory strings, there was so much power that my clears which landed the shuttle about 1m from the boundary kept going out if I used the same amount of force.


Agree!! :D

My ranking will be: Stringing job - shuttlecork - type of string - grip size - racket

[Framerate]

Let me give an example: :rolleyes:

I have a very powerfull smash. I´ve always thought so myself, but a couple of weeks ago the best player in my club said to me that I had the most powerfull smash that he had ever seen. :cool:

For me, my most powerfull smashes is all about timing. When I smash on reflex (without thinking) and jump is when I generate most power. The more I think, the less power.

My main racket in singles is a high tension Ti-10.

I use this in singles because it gives me more control. As I am a good smasher and is rather tall, my opponents really avoid giving me a chance to smash, so a paradox is that because of my smash I need more control as people tend to play low and close to the net against me.

In doubles, I play back and my partner front. My partner is very good close to the net so I can use my smash more often than in singles.
In doubles I use a lowtension lowcost Iso VF-77. For me, I can deliver much more powerfull smashes with this racket than with the Ti-10!!!

When I meet a not so good player in singles, I use this VF racket to smash him away. Really nice. If I´d used my Ti-10 I would not smash as powerfull and my arm would break. It takes much more energy to smash a lot with the Ti-10.

For ME, I think a regular lenght, medium flex and light racket with medium tension gives most power. The Ti-10 just does not follow my arm in the same way, it doesn´t whip the ball and the tension consumes the energy. At the same time, the stiffnes and tension gives me control for those more delicate shots.

I really should find a better main racket for me and my style, but what?? MP-77? Mp-99? I dunno... still searching...

So it is all depends on You which racket "gives" most power.

Anyway, the smash is an overestimated shot. To think and to move is more usefull. I may have the best smash in my club but I am far from the best player. About medium I´d say. ;)

[cappy75]

If it settles your mind, then the answer is yes. Most pros use them but that doesn't mean that it's the ultimate power for you. You see, like others mentioned before, most of the power depends on the person wielding the racquet. If everything being equal (perfect technique and great power) player with the stiffer racquet will always hit harder than the one holding a flexible racquet because power is more efficiently transferred from the person to the shuttle with the above characteristics.