Please post progress of matches here.

First of all, let me confirm that KKK/CCM actually lost to Riyadi/??? in the earlier round and not as widely reported.

For today's matches, I somehow don't see any interesting prospects. I normally hold the view that semifinal matches are more interesting, but this year's Indonesia Open finals are even worse than usual, downright anti-climatic.

XD, WD and WS feel like mismatches from the outset, although (1) Zhang/Gao seem beatable nowdays, (2) Yang/Zhang have kept on winning but showing chinks in the armour at Singapore Open and (3) we will see how Park Joo Bong's girl fare with the Chinese elite.

Even the MS and MD are not that appetizing as finals. Somehow Chen Hong does not fire the imagination like Lin, Bao or Peter Gade does, but if Chen plays at his best level, it will be a good match. Also, Luluk/Alven seem unstoppable. The MD event is the worst affected when the Danes skip the tournament, and it shows. Anyhow, like before, if Cai/Fu can play at their best level, ... (Note: Both Chen and Cai/Fu have not been playing at their best recently)

Another factor to note is the wind factor. A lot of reports and players' comments site the wind (not just draft, wind). I think it accounts to more than a few upsets. Having the tournament in a tennis stadium is wrong from the start. Can't they find some place better?

oh and does anybody know the order of the matches, ms usually played last, but maybe now's different,so if anyone knows the order please post it:D

yes , anybody know who will play 1st ?

pls post here for latest news

1st round :Xie Xingfang VS Hiroes

may i say: finally!!

First match : WS Final, Eriko Hirose vs Xie Xing Fang

Xie lead 4-2*

3-4 crossed smash
4-4 smash after weak ret.
5-4 long, Hirose lead
6-4 good placing after good netting
4-6 serve net
5-6 good placing

6-6 smash after weak ret.
S.O net
7-6 net, Hirose lead 7-6

8-6 smash after weak ret.
6-8 fail netting
7-8 long ret. serv.
8-8 net

9-8 crossed smash, Xie lead
10-8 let the ball in

11-8 good netting after fast& sharp smash

Xie lead 1st set 11-8

Hirose...don't lose..!!!!

Xie Xingfang muz win !

Xie lead 5-0*, Xie play faster

5-0 wide
6-0 good drop shot
0-6 fail netting

game 2 start???

6-0 good smash on the line
7-0 good placing after weak ret.
8-0 wide

9-0 smash after weak ret.
10-0 smash after weak ret.
11-0 croseed drop shod

Xie bt Hirose 11-8 11-0

wah , second round Xie Xingfang beat Hiroes : 11 - 0 , Japan 0 !

can't believe that Xie beat Hiroes in 2nd round with 11 - 0
u r the best XIe Xingfang !

9-0 smash after weak ret.
10-0 smash after weak ret.
11-0 croseed drop shod

Xie bt Hirose 11-8 11-0

Xie seems like to giving her opponent ducks. she did that to Camilla in the Danish Open...

Hiroes eat egg , Xie dun giv some place for her 2 smash , nice

now playing the XD

Hiroes eat egg , Xie dun giv some place for her 2 smash , nice

be nice. you need to respect the losing side as well.

Zhang / Gao
6 - 4 second server
servis over 4 -6
5 - 6

5 - 6 second
servis over 6 - 5
6 - 5 second server
servis over 5 - 6

next match : MXD Final, Zhang/Gao vs Blair/Munt

Gao serve

S.O net u.e
1-0 net u.e from Zhang
2-0 net ret. serv. from Zhang
2-0 net
3-0 net u.e from Zhang
S.O good placing from Gao
0-3 smash after weak ret.
1-3 good placing
2-3 long
3-3
S.O net
4-3 good placing
4-3
S.O good smash
4-4 fail smash
5-4 net CHN lead
6-4 fault ret smash
6-4 good smash by Munt
S.O fault serv
5-6 good placing
5-6 net serv.
S.O wide bh
6-5 long
S.O good smash

Xie seems like to giving her opponent ducks. she did that to Camilla in the Danish Open...

Maybe in the first set, the draft favours Hirose and in the second, Xie got the advantage ...

6 - 6
6 - 6 second server
servis over 6 - 6
7 - 6 ( China 7 )
8 - 6

6-6 good smash by Blair
6-6
S.O good netting by Gao
7-6 net, CHN lead
8-6 smash after weak ret.

8 - 6 second server
servis over 6 - 8
6 - 8 second server
7 - 8 second server
8 - 8 second server

8-6 net u.e
S.O long
6-8 crossed placing
7-8 net ret. serv by Zhang
8-8 wide u.e
9-8 wide u.e ENG lead
S.O good netting & smash by Gao

Gao ling good smash !

9-9 wide ret. smash
9-9 net u.e by Zhang
10-9 net ret. smash, CHN lead

11-9 fail ret. smash
12-9 wide u.e by Munt

13-9 good ret. smash by Gao
14-9 good smash
15-9 net

Zhang/Gao 15-9 1st set

Zhang/Gao lead 15-9 7-0*

0-7 crossed smash
1-7 net u.e
S.O too short serve.
7-1 net
8-1 net u.e
S.O good placing
1-8 smash after weak ret.
S.O good drop shot
8-1 smash after weak ret.
9-1 let the ball in
S.O
2-9 good netting
3-9 net u.e

3-9 wide ret serv
4-9 long ret. smash
5-9 net u.e
S.O fail netting

9-5 fail ret.
S.O serve fault
6-9 good placing
6-9 wide
S.O long
9-6 good defence
10-6 net u.e
11-6 net u.e
S.O bad ret. smash

6-11 bad ret. bh
S.O net u.e
11-6 weak ret serv
S.O long serv
7-11 net ret. serv

8-11 good smash after good placing
9-11 good netting
9-11 good placing smash by Gao

S.O long serve.
11-9 net serv.
12-9 good placing
S.O let the ball in

9-12 net f.e
S.O good smash

13-9 good placing after weak ret.
14-9 good placing after weak ret.
15-9 wide u.e

Zhang/Gao bt Blair/Munt 15-9 15-9

China win the second gold , later WD gold also China , so China are the winner in Indonesia Open 2004 , hope MS and MD they win too !

China win the second gold , later WD gold also China , so China are the winner in Indonesia Open 2004 , hope MS and MD they win too !

I'm banking on Taufik to win!!~~ :D Is is the next match??

Next up : Men's Doubles : Alven/Luluk vs Fu/Cai ;)

Next up : Men's Doubles : Alven/Luluk vs Fu/Cai ;)

this is imho the most exciting match of the final.

the head-to-head is 5-1 in favor of Cai/Fu. however, the last time they played was 8 months ago and it was won by Luluk/Alven. and Luluk/Alven has improved leaps-and-bounds since then and Cai/Fu has barely improved.

my prediction is a 2 games win by Luluk/Alven. but we all hope for a longer match as that will be a treat for us badminton fans. :)

next : MD Final, Hadiyanto/Yulianto vs Cai/Fu

Cai serve
S.O good netting
1-0 long INA lead
1-0 net f.e
S.O net

1-1 wide u.e
2-1 net u.e CHN lead
3-1 net u.e
3-1 wide smash
S.O net ret smash

news.badminton-indonesia.com (http://news.badminton-indonesia.com)

Chinese pair Zhang Jun/Gao Ling add another grand prix title this year to their collection after defeating unexpected finalist Robert Blair/Nathalie Munt.

Blair/Munt starts the game very fiercely with Blair shooting strong smashes that wreck the Chinese pair's defence. Unfortunately despite Munt's good play, Gao Ling is much faster at the net returning the bird to attack back.

Blair's brilliant attacks are sometimes ruined by Munt's careless play. It also seems she was the weakest link on several occasions. But Munt also contributes a lot to Blair's attack by setting up the game and ball for him.

In the first set tough fights occur until both reach 9 but then the chinese pair are unstoppable and take the first set. In the second set Zhang/Gao seem to be more in control over the English pair and leaving them 8-1. But the Blair/Munt fight back and trail until they get 9 points. At 14-9 Munt's smash is out and the Chinese pair collect their title.

2-3 good smash
3-3 wide u.e
4-3 smash after weak ret
5-3 let the serv. in
6-3 wide u.e
6-3 net f.e
7-3 net ret. serv.
8-3 wide f.e

S.O net u.e
3-8 good smash by Alven
S.O smash after weak ret.

8-3 wide
9-3 good placing
S.O net

from what i see, the shuttle is always played very low, not allowing the Chinese to attack much! Wow!! Really a different Luluk/Alven which I saw during the Thomas Cup!!

3-9 good placing by Luluk
S.O good placing by Luluk
9-3 wide u.e
10-3 good defence & smash by INA

S.O wide u.e
4-10 good placing by Cai
5-10 net u.e by Luluk
5-10 net u.e by Cai
S.O fault serve
11-5 good placing

12-5 long smash
12-5 good drive after weak ret.
13-5 net u.e
S.O long

5-13 good smash by Alven
S.O net

5-13 good smash by Alven
S.O net

Cai/Fu has only gotten 2 points since leading 3-1 and Luluk/Alven took 12 pts in the same period!

13-5 net u.e
S.O long
6-13 net bh drive
7-13 let the ball in
8-13 net u.e by Luluk
8-13 net u.e by Cai
S.O net serve.
13-8 long
S.O long smash

8-13 good placing by Alven
S.O net u.e
14-8 net ret. serv
15-8 net u.e

Luluk/Alven 15-8 1st set

1-0 INA lead
S.O net f.e
1-1 smash after weak ret.
1-1 net
S.O wide

1-0 INA lead
S.O net f.e
1-1 smash after weak ret.
1-1 net
S.O wide
keep the score update please!;)

1-2 fault serv
S.O smash after weak ret.
2-1 long
3-1 net, CHN lead
S.O net f.e
1-3 smash after weak serve
2-3 good smash
3-3 net u.e
S.O long

3-3 long ret. smash
4-3 net u.e CHN lead
5-3 fault u.e
S.O net f.e

3-5 net f.e
S.O good placing
5-3 long ret. smash
S.O fault serv.
4-5 good placing
4-5 good smash
S.O ret serv smash
5-4 long

6-4 good placing
S.O long

4-6 good placing after weak ret.
5-6 wide u.e
S.O let the ball in
7-5 wide f.e
8-5 smash after weak ret.

8-5 let the ball in
S.O long
5-8 smash after weak ret.
6-8 long ret. serv
7-8 net ret. serv
S.O wide

8-7 long
9-7 good smash
S.O smash after weak ret.
7-9 smash after weak ret.
S.O net f.e
9-7 long
10-7 net ret. smash
11-7 good placing

S.O net f.e
7-11 smash after weak ret.
8-11 net
9-11 net f.e
10-11 long

11-11 long ret. smash
S.O long
11-11 good smash by Luluk
S.O good smash by Luluk

11-11 good smash ret. serv.
12-11 net ret. serv. INA lead
13-11 net u.e
14-11 long
15-11 wide u.e

Luluk/Alven win 15-8 15-11

11-11 good smash ret. serv.
12-11 net ret. serv. INA lead
13-11 net u.e
14-11 long
15-11 wide u.e

Luluk/Alven win 15-8 15-11

hehe. so far all my predictions are correct... (not very difficult, i know... ;) )

are they gonna leave the best (ie. MS) last?

hehe. so far all my predictions are correct... (not very difficult, i know... ;) )The china no.1 MD team seems never win any series title,quite a pity:(

hehe. so far all my predictions are correct... (not very difficult, i know... ;) )

especially when the clear favourites were Gao Ling - Zhang Jun in the mixed and Xie Xingfang in the singles ;)

Now's the commercial. Before that I just heard that the crowd screamed Taufik's name. It's either the next match or he has just arrived. :cool:

is the MS final about to start? *rub hands*

Now's the commercial. Before that I just heard that the crowd screamed Taufik's name. It's either the next match or he has just arrived. :cool:

if they play MS now, there will be nobody left in the stands for WD!

next MS Final : Taufik Hidayat vs Chen Hong

Chen Hong serve

1-0 long
S.O good drive by Taufik
1-1 good crossed smash
S.O long
S.O good crossed smash
2-1 wide u.e Taufik lead
S.O long smash

S.O good crossed smash
3-1 good smash from behind
S.O wide
2-3
S.O net u.e
S.O good netting

S.O another good crossed smash by Taufik
S.O closed wide netting
3-3 net u.e

4-3 net bh drive Chen lead
S.O net bh. ret smash
4-4 good crossed smash by Taufik
S.O good netting by Chen Hong
S.O wide serve
S.O net u.e by Taufik

S.O net
5-4 crossed smash, Taufik lead
6-4 very good & closed netting by Taufik

S.O good placing after weak ret.
S.O good placing & crossed smash by Taufik
S.O net bh ret. smash.
5-6 good smash by Chen

S.O net f.e (drive duel)
S.O lucky net ball
S.O good placing by Taufik
7-5 net u.e

S.O long
S.O long
S.O good smash by Chen
S.O wide
8-5 smash after weak ret.

S.O good crossed smash by Chen
6-8 long
7-8 good placing after weak ret.

S.O good crossed smash
S.O net
8-8 good netting by Chen
9-8 long Chen lead
10-8 long

S.O long
9-10 good netting by Taufik
10-10 good smash
11-10 smash after wek ret. Taufik lead
12-10 good bh drive by Taufik
13-10 long

14-10 wide f.e
S.O crossed drive
S.O net
15-10 net


Taufik 15-10 1st set

1-0 long, Taufik lead
2-0 bad decision to hit or not
S.O long
S.O net
3-0 net
4-0 long

is it the same court with the air draft from the A/C?

S.O long
1-4 good bh smash
2-4 lucky net smash
3-4 fail netting

S.O net
5-3 wide
6-3 good placing after weak bh ret.
S.O good placing
4-6 good ret. smash
S.O wide crossed smash

TAUFIK..gogogo!!!!!

7-4 net u.e
8-4 fail netting
S.O goosd smash after weak ret.

5-8 net
6-8 bad drive u.e
7-8 good crossed netting by Chen

7-4 net u.e
8-4 fail netting
S.O goosd smash after weak ret.

who is 8 and who is 4?

can u type taufik 8-4 fail netting?

S.O net serve
S.O long drive
S.O wide
9-7 very closed netting by Taufik

who is 8 and who is 4?

can u type taufik 8-4 fail netting?
you can actually trace back and figure out who is winning. Sandy is using the shortest form to be able to update quickly.

10-7 net u.e by Chen
S.O net fh
S.O good crossed smash by Taufik
11-7 long

S.O good smash by Chen
S.O net
S.O good smash by Chen
8-11 good smash

9-11 good placing
S.O long
S.O lucky net smash
S.O hard smash by Taufik
S.O good crossed placing
S.O smash after weak ret.
S.O good defense & crossed drive by Chen
10-11 long drive

Come on Chen Hong, u can do it, jia you!!

11-11 wide crossed smash
S.O good placing after weak ret.
12-11 wide u.e, Taufik lead

What do S.O means?

13-11 good drive
S.O good crossed smash

What do S.O means?
I guess it's service over. :p

S.O goot ret serv. smash by Taufik
14-11 long
15-11 net

Taufik Hidayat bt Chen Hong 15-10 15-11

I guess it's service over. :pThank you labyrinthian:p ...

GG, Mr. Olympic Champion shows his home-ground invicibility once again....
Well, 3 of 5 titles for China is not bad but darnit, both men's teams fail at the most crucial time. Indo's singles and doubles are rising again.... China has to watch out in next TC if they want to retain the cup.

that's amazing, the china wall isn't that strong after all. Congrats to Taufik, beating CH and LD prove he isn't a one time wonder, and that PBSI should respect his coach talent.

S.O : Service Over
u.e : unforced error
f.e : forced error
bh : backhand
fh : forehand

I just type shortest & fastest way.

S.O : Service Over
u.e : unforced error
f.e : forced error
bh : backhand
fh : forehand

I just type shortest & fastest way.

Thanks Sandy. Greatly the updates.

S.O : Service Over
u.e : unforced error
f.e : forced error
bh : backhand
fh : forehand

I just type shortest & fastest way.

Thanks Sandy. Greatly appreciate the updates.

I don't think Taufik can beat Lin/Bao outside Indonesia.

China still has the strongest MS lineup.

Thanks Sandy. Greatly the updates.
yes, Sandy. much appreciated!!

I don't think Taufik can beat Lin/Bao outside Indonesia.

China still has the strongest MS lineup.

I don't like Taufik myself. But after watching him on DVD so many times, I have to admit that he may be the most talent player since Zhao. If he is at his best, he can always find a way to beat anyone including Lin and Bao. One example is the 2003 Sudraman Cup.

Yang Wei/Zhang Jie Wen bt Zhang Dan/Zhang Ya Wen 15-10 15-5

I can't believe some of you are actually harking the death of China's men's team. Chinese men consist 3 of the 4 semifinalists in the Indonesian Open, and they have title-winning juniors coming up right behind them.

It is hard to deny Taufik on his own turf, yet Lin Dan stretched him fully and Chen Hong did not do too bad against him. Who knows what would have happened if Bao Chunlai were to face him?

Indonesia has Taufik and an inconsistent Sony and one or two unproven juniors. Denmark has a couple of ageing stars and no apparent juniors. Malaysia has two players who are just merely showing potential. As for Korea, who knows what's happening in there now.

It's a different story with doubles, but China has always won the Thomas Cup with the strength of singles, with some reliable doubles sometimes.

thanks Sandy! for all the awesome effort and time put in!

:D muahahhaha... taufik....
i think the home support has a large role to play in the results. when u r in an intimidating atmosphere, it's hard for the visitor to soak up the pressure and perform well leh....

it's always good to see other countries competing up to the task too.
aiyah, win lose never mind... as long as we see good exciting matches... (the prob is i don't get to watch it live...!!!)

Yang Wei/Zhang Jie Wen bt Zhang Dan/Zhang Ya Wen 15-10 15-5

thank u sandy! :)

b4 losing to taufik

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B4 losing to taufik

lindan b4 losing to taufik. maybe i brought him bad luck
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Saw something interesting during the prize giving ceremony today:

1. Lin Dan was standing among the journalists, recording Xie's glorious moment on the podium...

2. Taufik Hidayat was given an opportunity to express his gratitude/feeling, etc after he received his cheque... I can't hear a single word he said although he was using a microphone!!The crowd's cheers were deafening!! Taufik is indeed treated as though he is David Beckham... How come Alven/Luluk doesn't gets this sort of opportunity? :rolleyes: ;)

Taufik is indeed treated as though he is David Beckham... :

So good to hear that badminton stars do get treated well in some countries. Does this also happen in the streets in Indonesia?

anyone have Xie Xingfang pic ?

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13-9 good placing after weak ret.
14-9 good placing after weak ret.
15-9 wide u.e

Zhang/Gao bt Blair/Munt 15-9 15-9
Someone said it was a mismatch? Dead on. Any one of the other Chinese pairs would have beaten Blair/Munt on track record, but they got there and then it all came out in the wash. Glad it panned out as scheduled. :cool:

faisal,

may be and may be not :)

people threw susi susanti + alan budikusima's car with stone sometimes in 1995 ... and they have to get out and run from the car to safety.

with 2 coaches for himself + marleve as sparing partner ... taufik must win :)

hopefully under PBSI new management, Indonesia badminton will rise again :D:D:D

be nice. you need to respect the losing side as well.
I agree about being nice to the loser, but its Xie's turn to have a place in the sun. Did you emphatize with her when she went down again and again to the big 3? Say nice things to comfort her in all these 2.3 years?
Basically, Hirose was a surprise and not in the same league. Let it be said. Let it be done. But we only talk about it and have no role in doing it.:cool:

Agree with u hcyong!If Indonesia players are keeping this type of performance then I will say only Taufik and Luluk/Alven can give some threat to other teams in the year 2006 TC.Taufik is good thats one thing we cannot deny but I think he is still a "homeground champion",when he goes out he is still struggling to get to the top form.As for Luluk and Alven they too struggle when not playing at home.I still think China are very invincible...and I have a strong feeling if CWLee,Hafiz and Koo/Chan of Msia are keeping up with good performance,Malaysia too may win the TC again in 2006.Even there are a few very young junior pairs in Msia now are showing very impressive progress(if you still remember last month Singapore Open QF)....So stay tune all badminton maniacs for next year circuit...we will see which countrys have their players improving the most...

I can't believe some of you are actually harking the death of China's men's team. Chinese men consist 3 of the 4 semifinalists in the Indonesian Open, and they have title-winning juniors coming up right behind them.

It is hard to deny Taufik on his own turf, yet Lin Dan stretched him fully and Chen Hong did not do too bad against him. Who knows what would have happened if Bao Chunlai were to face him?

Indonesia has Taufik and an inconsistent Sony and one or two unproven juniors. Denmark has a couple of ageing stars and no apparent juniors. Malaysia has two players who are just merely showing potential. As for Korea, who knows what's happening in there now.

It's a different story with doubles, but China has always won the Thomas Cup with the strength of singles, with some reliable doubles sometimes.

china is huge, lolx....
there's this time where i was watching this MD match between china and korea, and i was wondering... what if china is being divided up according to their provinces? will they still be a superpower in badminton and other sports?

because so many of their players come from all the provinces, so maybe their strength will be dispersed if china breaks up.

but the chinese (china nationals) are better athletes, generally speaking. their tough training schedule is soooo infamous that i think it's not for those who can't bear hardship...

yep, Soni is really inconsistent. will perspire if you see him play.
but i think badminton overall need to have some revamp to make the competition among all countries stronger.

mmm....a bit like the olympics with 3 chinese golds in the womens and mixed, although they did contest the other two golds as well:)

Time for a well earned rest

I can't believe some of you are actually harking the death of China's men's team. Chinese men consist 3 of the 4 semifinalists in the Indonesian Open, and they have title-winning juniors coming up right behind them.

It is hard to deny Taufik on his own turf, yet Lin Dan stretched him fully and Chen Hong did not do too bad against him. Who knows what would have happened if Bao Chunlai were to face him?

Indonesia has Taufik and an inconsistent Sony and one or two unproven juniors. Denmark has a couple of ageing stars and no apparent juniors. Malaysia has two players who are just merely showing potential. As for Korea, who knows what's happening in there now.

It's a different story with doubles, but China has always won the Thomas Cup with the strength of singles, with some reliable doubles sometimes.
There is nothing wrong with Taufik except that he wasted 6 years during which he could have won everything. But he is his own enemy and a sourpuss - sulks all the time. Has he ever looked friendly and smiling happy? Kuncorro is young and he has partly the same problem as BCL - they are too tall for the optimal bandminton height. Look at them going down for the short corners -like giraffes. LD just needs a few lessons in humility; he is very unpleasent to watch when he plas or when he talks. As for the MD, Cai/Fu seem to have reached a plateau and Sang/Zheng are stale and not performing.Apart from the China Open, the Chinese youngsters in all disciplines have not been given a chance and those who have a chance are awestruck or maybe not good enough. I wait for the curtain to rise or a sign that I misread everything - would that it were true. :rolleyes:

faisal,

may be and may be not :)

people threw susi susanti + alan budikusima's car with stone sometimes in 1995 ... and they have to get out and run from the car to safety.



I thought it's 1996...??

Thank God they managed to run and escape. It was really dangerous.

her priceless hand got injured because she blocked the club (or pipe)? used to destroy the car's fiberglass..... or maybe because of the broken fiberglass itself.....

The china no.1 MD team seems never win any series title,quite a pity:(

Yea, I wonder why.... Like in the umm TC 2004.... They lost directly straight sets in the final from Danish pair.

I thought it's a big chance for them to win in Indonesia, but they lost again.

Actually even bigger possibility for China to cleansweep all titles if only Bao advanced to final.

china is huge, lolx....
there's this time where i was watching this MD match between china and korea, and i was wondering... what if china is being divided up according to their provinces? will they still be a superpower in badminton and other sports?

because so many of their players come from all the provinces, so maybe their strength will be dispersed if china breaks up.

but the chinese (china nationals) are better athletes, generally speaking. their tough training schedule is soooo infamous that i think it's not for those who can't bear hardship...

yep, Soni is really inconsistent. will perspire if you see him play.
but i think badminton overall need to have some revamp to make the competition among all countries stronger.

I really hope China won't be broken up into provinces. There is only this number of Olympic spots. As it is, the whole of China is just limited to 3 spots per event and that gives other countries some chance.

I think the competition between the provinces are very intense. Even the second-rate shuttlers are good enough especially the women, which other countries seem to relatively neglect. For instance, they go to Singapore, France or Hong Kong and make a name for themselves there.

There is nothing wrong with Taufik except that he wasted 6 years during which he could have won everything. But he is his own enemy and a sourpuss - sulks all the time. Has he ever looked friendly and smiling happy? Kuncorro is young and he has partly the same problem as BCL - they are too tall for the optimal bandminton height. Look at them going down for the short corners -like giraffes. LD just needs a few lessons in humility; he is very unpleasent to watch when he plas or when he talks. As for the MD, Cai/Fu seem to have reached a plateau and Sang/Zheng are stale and not performing.Apart from the China Open, the Chinese youngsters in all disciplines have not been given a chance and those who have a chance are awestruck or maybe not good enough. I wait for the curtain to rise or a sign that I misread everything - would that it were true. :rolleyes:

You could look him smiling happy and friendly at proffesional players forum, even though he smiled because there's Hongyan next to him, hoho... :D

I don;t think he wasted the six years whole??? I thought he began wasting his time from year 2001 or 2002??! just three years.

In 1999, 2000 he managed to reach All England but lost painfully to Gade and 2001 reaching semifinal WC but lost to Hendrawan who very rarely defeated him because of injury.

I can't believe some of you are actually harking the death of China's men's team. Chinese men consist 3 of the 4 semifinalists in the Indonesian Open, and they have title-winning juniors coming up right behind them.

It is hard to deny Taufik on his own turf, yet Lin Dan stretched him fully and Chen Hong did not do too bad against him. Who knows what would have happened if Bao Chunlai were to face him?

Indonesia has Taufik and an inconsistent Sony and one or two unproven juniors. Denmark has a couple of ageing stars and no apparent juniors. Malaysia has two players who are just merely showing potential. As for Korea, who knows what's happening in there now.

It's a different story with doubles, but China has always won the Thomas Cup with the strength of singles, with some reliable doubles sometimes.


Yes, there is no death for Chinese Men, plenty waiting in wings, after Lin Dan and Chen Hong burn out before Olympics.

I can't believe the statements about Taufik not being able to beat Lin Dan outside of Indonesia. Lin Dan is not imortal - look at the suprises


OLYMPIC GAMES 2004 Aug 2004
1/32 loss to 12/15,10/15 Ronald SUSILO

Proton-Eon MALAYSIA OPEN 2004 Jun 2004
Quarter-Finals loss to 12/15,5/15 Sung Hwan PARK

YONEX OPEN JAPAN 2004 Apr 2004
Semi-Finals loss to 13/15,10/15 Chunlai BAO

Taufik played the perfect game - patience, keeping the shuttle low, just what Peter couldn't maintain against Lin in All England this year!

I agree about being nice to the loser, but its Xie's turn to have a place in the sun. Did you emphatize with her when she went down again and again to the big 3? Say nice things to comfort her in all these 2.3 years?
Basically, Hirose was a surprise and not in the same league. Let it be said. Let it be done. But we only talk about it and have no role in doing it.:cool:

actually, i am a big fan of Xie... :) you'd know if you read enough of my posts...

but while we are happy for Xie to win, we must all respect that Hirose despite being a less known player managed to beat many worthy opponent to get to the finals.

i confidence that Xie will win but can't think that she dun giv Hiroes some chance too in second round , juz beat her with 11 - 0 , but Hiroes still is a new player , not enough experience yet , but Hiroes can qualify to final is a good news for japan . anyway Xie win , me very very happy , coz i am her fans too !

Yea, I wonder why.... Like in the umm TC 2004.... They lost directly straight sets in the final from Danish pair.

I thought it's a big chance for them to win in Indonesia, but they lost again.

Actually even bigger possibility for China to cleansweep all titles if only Bao advanced to final.

Lucky Bao did not win Chen Hong in the semi-final. Or else Taufik may not win the title. I think Bao is the only person who wins Taufik in head-to-heads -- 4-2

congrats to my Fav Alven Yulianto / Luluk Hadiyanto also for Taufik Hidayat.
Alven/ Luluk.....u hv a great revans !!!

Lucky Bao did not win Chen Hong in the semi-final. Or else Taufik may not win the title. I think Bao is the only person who wins Taufik in head-to-heads -- 4-2

Don't know this is subjective as they only met twice this year, China Open and Thomas Cup finals. Even though China Open was last November and Bao won it, it was three sets (10-15, 15-3, 15-12) so relatively close.
While Thomas was in May and Bao winning, the first set tight(15-13, 15-6)

does anyone know where can i find pictures of the indonesian open? thx!

The china no.1 MD team seems never win any series title,quite a pity:(

No! You forgot something!

CAI/FU beat ALVEN/LULUK in the final to win the MD title at 2004 SWISS Open.

No! You forgot something!

CAI/FU beat ALVEN/LULUK in the final to win the MD title at 2004 SWISS Open.

THOMAS CUP FINALS
2004 7 May 2004 -

defeated
15/13,15/11 Dong Soo LEE (KOR), Dong Moon KIM (KOR)
15/4,15/5 Tadashi OHTSUKA (JPN), Keita MASUDA (JPN)
15/12,15/13 Kevin (Qi) HAN (USA), Howard BACH (USA)
15/9,15/10 Luluk HADIYANTO (INA), Yulianto ALVEN (INA)

only losing to
16/17,6/15 Lars PAASKE (DEN), Jonas RASMUSSEN (DEN)

So Taufik and Luluk/Alvent received bonuses that Jakarta Governor promised :D

The same amount as Indonesia Open champion prize.

In other words, their prizes are doubled..... :eek:

So Taufik and Luluk/Alvent received bonuses that Jakarta Governor promised :D

The same amount as Indonesia Open champion prize.

In other words, their prizes are doubled..... :eek:well,good for them then:D face it, it motivates players to win titles when the prize money is doubled,the bonus started since candra/sigit's victory in china, that means taufik(io),candra/sigit(co),nova/lilyana(so),and luluk/alven(io & so) are the players who received the money so far:)

Just deal with IT! Taufik Hidiyat is good and he proves us already! i don't think BCL will be able to beat him, since he's improving.. and stop talking about the bad sides of TH, cause a defeat is a defeat.. just wait until next time, and then talk about it.. please.... you guys are so kiddy...:mad:

Just deal with IT! Taufik Hidiyat is good and he proves us already! i don't think BCL will be able to beat him, since he's improving.. and stop talking about the bad sides of TH, cause a defeat is a defeat.. just wait until next time, and then talk about it.. please.... you guys are so kiddy...:mad:yeah,true!true!but its people's opinions so we have to respect that, but me, i think taufik is great player, and we have to accept that, and he's been doing good lately after olympic triumph (sf in co, and winner in io),so i guess(or think) he has changed for the better,dont be so hard to him,lets just wait wat's next from him,,,,peace out:D

Agree with the Taufik & LD statements. However, Kuncoro being too tall is BS (he is only 1.76 which makes him shorter than f.e. Gade, young Hashim, and many Chinese players, let alone legends like Zhao, Frost or Hoyer). Kuncoro himself admitted - probably rightly so - that compared to some other top players like Taufik, Lin, Gade he is less talented, but compensates a lot by working hard. He has a persistent kind of game that troubles some players: like Gade, who has said that Sony's slowed down game doesn't suit him, because he (Gade) likes faster paced rallies. But apart from this quality, Sony has very few special strokes or weapons for a world class player. He performs well when outrallying other top players when they are a little short of their peaks (less important events).

There is nothing wrong with Taufik except that he wasted 6 years during which he could have won everything. But he is his own enemy and a sourpuss - sulks all the time. Has he ever looked friendly and smiling happy? Kuncorro is young and he has partly the same problem as BCL - they are too tall for the optimal bandminton height. Look at them going down for the short corners -like giraffes. LD just needs a few lessons in humility; he is very unpleasent to watch when he plas or when he talks. As for the MD, Cai/Fu seem to have reached a plateau and Sang/Zheng are stale and not performing.Apart from the China Open, the Chinese youngsters in all disciplines have not been given a chance and those who have a chance are awestruck or maybe not good enough. I wait for the curtain to rise or a sign that I misread everything - would that it were true. :rolleyes:

Agree with the Taufik & LD statements. However, Kuncoro being too tall is BS (he is only 1.76 which makes him shorter than f.e. Gade, young Hashim, and many Chinese players, let alone legends like Zhao, Frost or Hoyer). Kuncoro himself admitted - probably rightly so - that compared to some other top players like Taufik, Lin, Gade he is less talented, but compensates a lot by working hard. He has a persistent kind of game that troubles some players: like Gade, who has said that Sony's slowed down game doesn't suit him, because he (Gade) likes faster paced rallies. But apart from this quality, Sony has very few special strokes or weapons for a world class player. He performs well when outrallying other top players when they are a little short of their peaks (less important events).

i agree. sony just doesnt have killing shots in the same class and level as taufik. thats why he gets into long hard matches when playing againts highly defensive players (eg boonsak)

but a deadly opponent none the less

jug

Congrats to Taufik and Luluk/Alven as well as to the other winners(WS, WD and MXD)..

Again, like i mentioned earlier, Lin Dan and his co-horts will have another chance to prove themselves against Taufik in two weeks in the Copenhagen Masters..This time it's more in a "neutral" court, so no more excused of "home" court etc.

Yah, IMO, Taufik "wasted" 2-3 yrs.(2001-2003) while his coach moved to S'pore, eventhough he was able to win the last 2 Indonesian Open..I thought his coach coming back was the "biggest" difference as well as his "metal maturity" since then..Add to that the incentives of winning double the money, sure indeed should motivate him...I also don't think BCL would have won against Taufik in this year's Indonesia Open if he would beat Chen Hong in the SF(BCL won vs. Taufik in the China Open SF because Taufik injured his foot badly).

Anyhoo, let's move on folks..Looking forward to the Copenhagen Masters in a couple weeks and then next year(ie. All England, Sudirman Cup, World Championships)..:)).

(i moved all the posting regarding the Copenhagen Masters to this thread:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19426

please continue the discussions on the Copenhagen Masters there.)

someone is looking fine ;)

do anyone have record the Indonesia Open Final ? can burn for me ? i will giv back u $

WOW i really like the Xing Fang and Salakjit pics....awesome

are these taken by professional photographers?