Korea Open Final

[chinadoll]

nobody seems to be watching Korea Open.......... :confused:

[madturtle]

i dont have cable television! :crying:

[chinadoll]

XD - Korean pair won.... 17-14, 15-9...

i thought DEN will win... hehe maybe got home advantage :p

now playing WS.... Wang Chen (HKG) vs Jun Jae Youn (KOR)

i'm waiting for MS n MD :D

[madturtle]

the danish pair are too old already.

[chinadoll]

the danish pair are too old already.
many danish players are older than their opponents.... Peter Gade n K. Jonnassen aren't young either... but they are good :)

[madturtle]

what's the latest score?

[chinadoll]

KOR Jun Jae Youn won Wang Chen... 11-7, 11-8

i go watch MS :D

[kwun]

whoa.. cool. first big tounament that Jun won, i believe!

[madturtle]

wow! thanks chinadoll! keep us updated. ;)

[chinadoll]

my guess for MS is Peter Gade :)

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

COME ON GADE!!!!!!!!!!!! :p :D

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Jonassen leads 7-5 :eek:

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Jonassen leads 10-5 now.......
gade make too many unforced errors :eek:

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

13-5 now........ :eek: :eek: :eek:

[chinadoll]

Jonassen took the 1st game... 15-7

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Jonassen win the first set....... :eek:

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Gade leads 3-1 now.....

[kwun]

go Jonassen!!!!

[Brave_Turtle]

keep us informed plz!!

[chinadoll]

after MS will be MD.... there is no WD because someone has a walkover.... if i'm not wrong :rolleyes:

[kwun]

Jonassen Jonassen!!

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Gade leads 8-1 now.........
GO GADE!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[madturtle]

HUH!
omg peter gade can't lose!

[chinadoll]

Gade 9-1... gade still serving

[Brave_Turtle]

woww, what a turnover!

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

9-1 now.......:p :p

[madturtle]

there will be no women's doubles? really! oh yayye. i hope the indonesian pair wins.

[chinadoll]

gade 11-1..... i think they will be playing 3rd game

[Brave_Turtle]

Is Kenneth injured or Gade just seem to recover his pace?

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

no women's doubles????:confused:

[chinadoll]

Is Kenneth injured or Gade just seem to recover his pace?
jonassen doesn't look like he is injuried.... gade is getting on form i think.....
13-1 already

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

13-2 now......:p

[chinadoll]

no women's doubles????:confused:
yah... i saw it in the korea open website....

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

GADE leads :D 13-3 now

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

yah... i saw it in the korea open website....
that's means the other pairs won?

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

14-4 now...........:D

[chinadoll]

that's means the other pairs won?
yah... won without playing....

yeah~ peter gade took the 2nd game.... 15-4 :)

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Gade win the second set....15-4:D

[madturtle]

oh no jonassen is climbing up! gade musnt let go at this moment!!:eek:

[Wai Shing]

Looks like Gade is not going to let this title slip away

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

GADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

3rd game now......let's see who is the winner!:p

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Gade leads 1-0:D

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

0-1 jonassen serving now

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

gade leads 2-0......

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

4-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[madturtle]

Woah!:d This Is Wonderful!

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

6-0 now................

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

1-7 now................

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

9-1 now..........

[Brave_Turtle]

Thats it, I think Peter Gade will win

[madturtle]

YES! at last poor gade gets his first asian win after a dont know how many years drought.

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

9-3 now........

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

gade leads 10-3:p

[madturtle]

oh no gade dont slip at this point!

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

11-3 now........:D :D

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

12-3 ..............................!!!!!!!!:p

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

yes!! 13-3 now.............:p :p :p :p :p

[madturtle]

AH YES! gade's gonna win!

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

14-3 ........matchpoint:p

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

jonassen serving now......

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

14-5 now...........:p :p

[Wai Shing]

great for Gade, but total breakdown from jonassen

[chinadoll]

yeah~ gade won the title...
7-15, 15-4, 15-5
so my guess is right~!!! :D

[madturtle]

HA yes! congrats to gade.

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

Gade!!!!!!!!!!
15-5

[chinadoll]

i wanna watch MD.... i hope Candra / Sigit can win :)

[bluejeff]

Yes Gade!! That's awesome!!

[madturtle]

yepp. i also hope that candra/sigit can win. they have been rather unlucky recently.

[chinadoll]

i think they play better with non-indo players....
they always seems to be losing to their team mates.... :p
i think they can win this time :)

[aiyuuw]

is the game started already? or is the prize presentation still going on?

[chinadoll]

yeah~ INA pair won 1st game.... 15-7 :D

[aiyuuw]

yeah~ INA pair won 1st game.... 15-7 :Doooh! thank god! im happy! but theres noone doing live scoring here, inform us please

[chinadoll]

13-13.... omg......

[chinadoll]

Danish pair won the 2nd game.... 15-13

Come on Candra / Sigit~!!!

[chinadoll]

oooh! thank god! im happy! but theres noone doing live scoring here, inform us please
nobody watching? or too busy watching no time to post? hehe

[chinadoll]

DEN 6-0........

[TrunkZ69]

IN-DO-NE-SIA!!!! Come lets go guys!! Wake up and win!

[chinadoll]

DEN 8-3... change court now

gooooooooooooo indonesia~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aiyuuw]

keep on informing!

[TrunkZ69]

damn, i need tow ake up in 5 hours, but i must cheer them on until they catch up and win!! go indonesia!

[chinadoll]

Den 10-9........

[TrunkZ69]

YOSHA!! GO INDONESIA! Catching up boys!

[chinadoll]

10-10 now... danish serving

[chinadoll]

INA 12-10...........

[TrunkZ69]

O.. go go go. Just a few more points!! Battle of old schoolers btw :p

[chinadoll]

DEN 14-13......... match point....... omg

[TrunkZ69]

come one!! save it!! go INDO!!

[chinadoll]

Candra / Sigit lost........ 15-7, 13-15, 13-15 :crying: :crying: :crying:

[TrunkZ69]

i'm with you chinadoll... :crying: :crying: :crying:

[aiyuuw]

Candra / Sigit lost........ 15-7, 13-15, 13-15 :crying: :crying: :crying:whatever,,,,,(sigh), okay, at least that was close, it was this close for them to win,:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

[kwun]

DENMARK!!!

DENMARK!!!

[aiyuuw]

DENMARK!!!

DENMARK!!!
good for denmark, congratulation!
while im now sittin here feelin miserable:crying: :crying: :crying:
but anyway, really, congratulation:D

[chinadoll]

i thought they gonna win when they catch up from 3-8 to 12-10.... but they still lost at 15-13...... :crying:

[kwun]

3 events won by Korea.

2 events won by Denmark.

i think China should be worried. historically, the Sudirman Cup is determined by the results of the XD and/or MD. and China isn't very strong in either one.

[*GaDe~CaMiLlA*]

yes Yes Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!come On Denmark!!!!!!!

jens And Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aiyuuw]

3 events won by Korea.

2 events won by Denmark.

i think China should be worried. historically, the Sudirman Cup is determined by the results of the XD and/or MD. and China isn't very strong in either one.but still, they rule 3 out of 5, but the problem is, what if they lost in one of the 3
but still, china is better than my country which i dont know how will they do, and i dont even dare to predict their prospect

[viver]

3 events won by Korea.

2 events won by Denmark.

i think China should be worried. historically, the Sudirman Cup is determined by the results of the XD and/or MD. and China isn't very strong in either one.
Yes, China should work harder if they want to stay at the top. However China is still very strong at MS, LS and LD which may give them the edge. To be safe, they really need to improve the MD and XD.

[FEND.]

Crikey, at the rate of the fonts I won't need my glasses anytime soon.

From the sounds of it too, the competition was a good one... damn I missed out on it....

[madturtle]

HOW COULD THEY HAVE LOST!:crying: :crying: :crying: this is so depressing!

[*~Taufik~*]

why dun haf WD???

[madturtle]

its a walkover for the koreans. dont know why the english pulled out.

[Morten]

it would have been a walkover anyway :D

[aiyuuw]

HOW COULD THEY HAVE LOST!:crying: :crying: :crying: this is so depressing!this IS depressing for me,,,,,
well, that could be becos:
-the danes are just too great
-they werent at their best
-they felt burdened becos they were the only indo's hope

but, not to take anything away from je/mlh, all respects for them, i think it could have turned the other way , especially in the last 2 sets, becos those were so close

[chika]

:crying: :crying: :crying: CHANDRA & SIGIT LOST????? HUHUHU......:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

[*~Taufik~*]

My heart almost jumped out when i watched the MD.. I was rooting for indo!! but they a few of their shots were wide in the last few points... guess that's wat which caused their downfall...:crying::crying::crying:

[mirrura]

this IS depressing for me,,,,,
well, that could be becos:
-the danes are just too great
-they werent at their best
-they felt burdened becos they were the only indo's hope

but, not to take anything away from je/mlh, all respects for them, i think it could have turned the other way , especially in the last 2 sets, becos those were so close
:crying: :crying:
Indeed close!! I thought that the Indonesians would have won the title judging from their first set. They were just too good for the Danes. However, in the next two sets, Eriksen - Lundgaard Hansen were much better and they were a couple of exciting rallies!! Anyway, it's nice to see that Candra - Sigit playing together quite impressive

Mm...Candra - Sigit felt the burden?? I don't think so, they are an experience pair and this is only Korean Open, not the World Championship or any really BIG tourney ;)

[ctjcad]

Not really a surprise with the outcome of the tourney. The Danes and the Koreans should've dominated their related field, esp. with the absence of the top Chinese, Indo and Malaysians players.

I read in WorldBadmintonOnline website that there were minor controversies during the MD finals. In the 2nd set when the Indos were leading with 2 pts remaining, for some reason when they asked the Denmark team to change to a new shuttlecock, the Danes refused. Thus the Danes rallied and won the 2nd set. I don't know what happened to Candra/Sigit, must've lost their concentration.
Then in the 3rd set, when the Danes were leading by a bigger margin, they asked the Indos to change the shuttlecock, but the Indos refused. Thus Candra/Sigit rallied and actually took the lead with 2 more pts. remaining However, the Danes rallied back and won the match.
Overall, i think it could've gone to either way. IMO, Candra/Sigit should've stay concentrated in the 2nd set, hard it might be, and try to take back the service again and finish off the match. Plus their opponent JEriksen/MLHansen are not new to them, are very experienced, and just as equal as Candra/Sigit.
Anyway, they should meet often again this yr., esp in the upcoming AE, SC, and WC tourneys, and more encounter between them would be something to watch,esp. with this little incident....:).


:crying: :crying:
Indeed close!! I thought that the Indonesians would have won the title judging from their first set. They were just too good for the Danes. However, in the next two sets, Eriksen - Lundgaard Hansen were much better and they were a couple of exciting rallies!! Anyway, it's nice to see that Candra - Sigit playing together quite impressive

Mm...Candra - Sigit felt the burden?? I don't think so, they are an experience pair and this is only Korean Open, not the World Championship or any really BIG tourney ;)

[jkusmanto]

I am not surprise that Korea get 3 titles and Denmark get 2 titles.
China and Malaysia send their 2nd troops. Indo was not complete.
I am not underestimate the winners, they deserved to win.
Surprise is Nova/Lelyana lost in semi and Candra/Sigit (my favourite) lost in final.

I hope that China, Malaysia and Indo will back in All England or maybe earlyer in German Open (if they will come).

[event]

3 events won by Korea.

2 events won by Denmark.

i think China should be worried. historically, the Sudirman Cup is determined by the results of the XD and/or MD. and China isn't very strong in either one.
China isn't strong in XD? The only pair that could consistently beat Zhang Jun and Gao Ling was Kim Dong-moon and Na(Ra) Kyung-min and they've retired.

Even in Men's Doubles, Fu/Cai and Sang/Zheng are very closely matched with both of Denmark's top pairs with the only thing close to dominance being Rasmussen/Paaske's 3-1 record against Fu/Cai (and they're 1-1 against Sang/Zheng).

As for Korea, the 3 events have an obvious context which makes them irrelevant to the Sudirman Cup: they don't have a prayer in women's singles or women's doubles against the top Chinese. Na Kyung-min and Yi Kyung-won did but with Na retired, I don't think Yi Hyo-jung can fill her shoes. I mean they did take World No 1 Yang/Zhang to 3 games in Singapore but they lost the last game 15-1(as they lost both games in the China Open in the same matchup) and I think that is what to expect unless the Sudirman Cup were played in Korea or something.

[rwchen]

It is bound to be stiff competition among China, Denmark, Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia but China is still undeniably the strongest contender for Sudirman judging from its superiority in WS and WD besides having a balanced strength in MS, MD and XD.




3 events won by Korea.

2 events won by Denmark.

i think China should be worried. historically, the Sudirman Cup is determined by the results of the XD and/or MD. and China isn't very strong in either one.

[hcyong]

Candra/Sigit should have wrapped it all up in the second set. They were leading something like 13-6, but somehow they made errors after errors at that point. This reminds me of the match between Jens/Martin and Choong/Lee, where Lee Wan Wah just gave up after being penalised for not being ready to receive serve. In yesterday's match, Jens also served a few times when the opponent was not ready, and the serves were ordered retaken. There was a huge psychological battle going on, and I hope it is not becoming a staple of international badminton, because frankly, it can be ugly. Frankly speaking, I think the better pair lost yesterday.

Maybe Taufik was right in not coming. The line judges gave a few grossly incorrect calls in favour of the Korean players. The opponents (Jens/Mette and Wang Chen) were disgusted in a few occassions. Jens, of course, protested vehemently. I think Jun Jae Youn and Lee/Lee were very good yesterday and deserved the titles on their own right without "help" by the line judges. Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung, who also knocked out Nova/Lilyana, are a pair to watch for.

[hcyong]

It is bound to be stiff competition among China, Denmark, Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia but China is still undeniably the strongest contender for Sudirman judging from its superiority in WS and WD besides having a balanced strength in MS, MD and XD.

The current Chinese team is the most wholesome among all teams. They are almost virtually assured of two points from WS and WD. In effect, you have to take all 3 points of the other ties. Do you fancy beating all of Lin Dan, Fu/Cai and Zhang/Gao? Even if one of the two "sure" points faltered unexpectedly, I would not fancy any countries' chances.

In fact, the best bet would be Indonesia. They currently have very weak ladies, but coming up against China, it does not matter whether you are weak or strong. OTOH, Taufik, Indon men's doubles and Nova/Lilyana could possibly secure 3 points against China although I still don't like the odds. Funnily enough, because of their weak ladies, Indonesia may find it against all other teams as well.

Denmark is the only other team that can conceivably defeat China. Peter Gade and Jens/Martin could get 2 points, and Jens/Mette may rise to the occassion to defeat Zhang/Gao. But what are the odds of all 3 succeeding?

[other]

Denmark is the only other team that can conceivably defeat China. Peter Gade and Jens/Martin could get 2 points, and Jens/Mette may rise to the occassion to defeat Zhang/Gao. But what are the odds of all 3 succeeding?
jens/martin or rassmussen/paaske?
also didnt korea 1st WD win again the chinese 1st WD in the UC2004...
oh well, as long as the chinese team play without too much pressure on them, it should be ok:) *he says hopefully*

[hcyong]

jens/martin or rassmussen/paaske?
also didnt korea 1st WD win again the chinese 1st WD in the UC2004...
oh well, as long as the chinese team play without too much pressure on them, it should be ok:) *he says hopefully*

jens/martin or rassmussen/paaske, not a whole lot of difference.

[aiyuuw]

i wonder why do u all doubting china's chance to win, sure , their md and xd are not as dominating as the other 3, but cai/fu seem to show good performances, so do zhang/gao
im more concerned with indonesia, with moody taufik who only shines when he wants to, and only 2 other categories that seem reliable, but what if one of them failed? we're dead

[manliz]

Though Denmark players had great performance in recent opens, I worry about how much longer he can stay among the top badminton countries. Most of his top players are in their thirties and few promising young players have emerged compared with other countries.

[klaphat]

[QUOTE=hcyong]Candra/Sigit should have wrapped it all up in the second set. They were leading something like 13-6, but somehow they made errors after errors at that point. This reminds me of the match between Jens/Martin and Choong/Lee, where Lee Wan Wah just gave up after being penalised for not being ready to receive serve. In yesterday's match, Jens also served a few times when the opponent was not ready, and the serves were ordered retaken. There was a huge psychological battle going on, and I hope it is not becoming a staple of international badminton, because frankly, it can be ugly. Frankly speaking, I think the better pair lost yesterday.
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Well.. when Jens is involved it is hardly surprising that the match turns into a psychological battle.. Mag has analyzed this thoroughly in other threads where it is also mentioned that Jens takes this battle very close to the line.. and some would argue sometimes over the line.. in any case.. there is no doubt that this psychological warfare is a part of modern badminton.. just as it is a part of other sports at a high level.. just remember at the Australian Open a couple of days ago when one of Leyton Hewitts opponents was so upset with Hewitt that he first tried to serve right at his body (the ball did not even touch the court but went behind the base-line).. and later on actually tried to spit at Hewit.. obviously.. things are out of control when they get that far.. and if we do not want it in badminton.. the umpires must do something about it.. otherwise.. I think it is here to stay.. because there is no doubt that a match like the MD final in Korea in Jens' mind is only a confirmation that it pays to play the psychological field as well..

[event]

jens/martin or rassmussen/paaske?
also didnt korea 1st WD win again the chinese 1st WD in the UC2004...
oh well, as long as the chinese team play without too much pressure on them, it should be ok:) *he says hopefully*
Yes, Korea did take a WD win over China but that was with Na Kyung-min. She has since retired. Don't be fooled by her no. 5 ranking. She hasn't played internationally since the Olympics. That makes a huge difference. The Yi Kyung-won/Yi Hyo-jung partnership isn't bad but it's nothing like the former Yi/Na partnership. Nor is Yi Hyo-jung/Yi Jae-jin anywhere near the sure win that Kim/Na used to be. The big stumbling block for Korea in the Sudirman could be men's singles unless Son Seung-mo convalesces quickly after his operation and returns to form. Yi Hyun-il claimed that his month in the army put him off his game but let's face it: he hasn't been on his game for quite a while now. He had a rash of good showings in 2003 but he hasn't been in a semi-final since the Taipei Open 2003. Still, if all it takes is 3 doubles wins, Korea could take down China. Checking again, I find that Yi Hyo-jung has beaten at least 3 of the top Chinese pairs with both Yi Kyung-won and even with Hwang Yu-mi. In light of this, they are certainly a better bet for a women's doubles upset than Denmark or any other Sudirman contender.

[hcyong]

Well.. when Jens is involved it is hardly surprising that the match turns into a psychological battle.. Mag has analyzed this thoroughly in other threads where it is also mentioned that Jens takes this battle very close to the line.. and some would argue sometimes over the line.. in any case.. there is no doubt that this psychological warfare is a part of modern badminton.. just as it is a part of other sports at a high level.. just remember at the Australian Open a couple of days ago when one of Leyton Hewitts opponents was so upset with Hewitt that he first tried to serve right at his body (the ball did not even touch the court but went behind the base-line).. and later on actually tried to spit at Hewit.. obviously.. things are out of control when they get that far.. and if we do not want it in badminton.. the umpires must do something about it.. otherwise.. I think it is here to stay.. because there is no doubt that a match like the MD final in Korea in Jens' mind is only a confirmation that it pays to play the psychological field as well..

Really, what can the umpires do about psychological tricks (except for those that infringe the rules)? Pumping fists and glaring at opponents after a rally victory, refusing to change shuttlecocks, always wanting to change shuttlecocks, taking a bit more time to receive service. Sometimes, the pure form of badminton takes a backseat. Worse, it becomes ugly like the Hewitt case. If only every player is like Roger Federer.

[Loh]

Yes, Korea did take a WD win over China but that was with Na Kyung-min. She has since retired. Don't be fooled by her no. 5 ranking. She hasn't played internationally since the Olympics. That makes a huge difference. The Yi Kyung-won/Yi Hyo-jung partnership isn't bad but it's nothing like the former Yi/Na partnership. Nor is Yi Hyo-jung/Yi Jae-jin anywhere near the sure win that Kim/Na used to be. The big stumbling block for Korea in the Sudirman could be men's singles unless Son Seung-mo convalesces quickly after his operation and returns to form. Yi Hyun-il claimed that his month in the army put him off his game but let's face it: he hasn't been on his game for quite a while now. He had a rash of good showings in 2003 but he hasn't been in a semi-final since the Taipei Open 2003. Still, if all it takes is 3 doubles wins, Korea could take down China. Checking again, I find that Yi Hyo-jung has beaten at least 3 of the top Chinese pairs with both Yi Kyung-won and even with Hwang Yu-mi. In light of this, they are certainly a better bet for a women's doubles upset than Denmark or any other Sudirman contender.

I don't know how the Koreans spell it, but when using their surnames as 'Yi' it really confuses what we are used to reading it as 'Lee' as in Lee Hyo-jung and Lee Hyun-il.

I like the way Lee Hyo-jung play and I think she is impressive and she should be quite a match for any with her Lee Kyung-won partnership. :D

[hcyong]

I don't know how the Koreans spell it, but when using their surnames as 'Yi' it really confuses what we are used to reading it as 'Lee' as in Lee Hyo-jung and Lee Hyun-il.

I like the way Lee Hyo-jung play and I think she is impressive and she should be quite a match for any with her Lee Kyung-won partnership. :D

That's how the Koreans spell it.

[event]

I don't know how the Koreans spell it, but when using their surnames as 'Yi' it really confuses what we are used to reading it as 'Lee' as in Lee Hyo-jung and Lee Hyun-il.

I like the way Lee Hyo-jung play and I think she is impressive and she should be quite a match for any with her Lee Kyung-won partnership. :D
Fair enough. I'll stick to the standard spellings. I'm not doing it the way the Koreans spell it so much as how they say it. There is no such thing as a person named "Lee" in Korea. It's just some baffling transliteration idiosyncracy but since everybody both inside and outside Korea has agreed to perpetuate the same mistake. Just be prepared for confusion if you ever have to speak to a Korean about anyone named "Lee"(Ee), "Ra"(Na), "Lim"(Im), or "Roh"(Noh).

I agree that "Lee" Hyo-jung is impressive and I hope they do make a good Sudirman Cup showing. I'm tired of China being the foregone conclusion. We need some suspense. I know the Koreans are defending champions but after last year's Thomas and Uber Cup results and today's rankings, it really doesn't feel like that means anything. Lets see Lee Hyo-jung/Lee Jae-jin and Lee Jae-jin/Jung Jae-sung rack up some more wins this year and the mood might change.

[klaphat]

Really, what can the umpires do about psychological tricks (except for those that infringe the rules)? Pumping fists and glaring at opponents after a rally victory, refusing to change shuttlecocks, always wanting to change shuttlecocks, taking a bit more time to receive service. Sometimes, the pure form of badminton takes a backseat. Worse, it becomes ugly like the Hewitt case. If only every player is like Roger Federer.

In my opinion, there is plenty the umpires can do. Not to offend Jens, but now he is the example.. when he takes too long serving or receiving.. he could be given a warning.. and when it continues.. you can penalize him a point.. which I think can be done again and again.. but can also ultimately cost the match.. it would be very controversial if any umpire was to use these tools more actively.. and naturally those rules must only be used very carefully in order not to spoil the game.. but basically.. if the umpire considers a players' actions to be unsportsman like.. then there is something which could be done about it..

[Mag]

Well, it has been known to happen that umpires hand out warnings for this kind of behaviour. Most notably, the AE final (where Jens was very much involved, although not as the obvious "offender") where Lee got a yellow card for repeatedly (on 3 occasions) not being ready when Jens was serving. Unfortunately, the umpire made a grave mistake by not allowing Lee to call for the tournament referee, which of caused much controversy (and a pretty inflamed debate here too!)...

I also saw a match recently (can't remember which, duh, but I think Lee was once again involved) where a player was warned (although not with a yellow card) for clenching fist and shouting when facing the opponents.

In my opinion, this kind of mind play adds to the game, unless it goes too far. As in all sports, it's really up to the umpires to draw the line.

[badplayer2004]

just saw the md finals..the danes were actually playing with the indos...danes were in control ..they are kind of experimenting using slow pace style and soft "touch"..they didnt even want to do smash till the endings....its like they are experimenting testing out new theories how to handle fast game players like indonesians..they did look foolish on the first game..by the second game i realize they are just playing around ....the danes just look and act cool since the second to the last winning point in the 3rd game....to me the danes even "with held/retraint" their playing....they are making a field study how to deal with indonesian smashing under lab conditions.....lol