Double hit/drag shot/shuttle sliding along racquet

[Dave18]

I think that's the term. Lately, I have notice that I am kinda scrapping the birdie with my racket when i hit. What am I doing wrong here? It's illegal in a game right?

[wilfredlgf]

If it bounces or contacts the racquet TWICE, then it's double hitting.
Else, a sliced shot would be illegal if what you did was wrong.

[Mag]

"Double hitting" is not a fault if it happens during one continuous stroke movement.

[splitstep]

Ive been wondering if its legal to hit the shuttle accidently by dragging the racket. As in someone smashes the shuttle at u, u swing your racket as if your pushing the shuttle (kinda sticks to your racket for a split second) and it goes flying into the corner. Can anyone find any offcial rules on this?

If you dont get what i mean, its like pushing the cue ball in snooker instead of hitting it.

Cheers :)

[bighook]

:)I think the term you are describing is called a carry.It is a fault as it falls under the category of a double hit as it is the catching of the shuttle where the cork and then the feathers or the tail of the shuttle are contacted and then thrown off the stringbed.In most cases because the action is not deliberate most people in friendly games just let it go as part of the game.When there is a referee present in a tournament setting though it is deemed a fault.Sometimes ugly smash returns are also just carries and can be argued over as well.My way of dealing with this problem is if you agree to disagree then replay the rally. :)

[jamesshieh88]

i always thought it was fine as long as its in one motion

[Mag]

i always thought it was fine as long as its in one motion

That's correct.

[splitstep]

but what if they lob u, then u use one long motion to scoop it straight down? :confused:

[Gollum]

A double hit is legal; a "scoop" or "carry" is not.

[Neil Nicholls]

Law 13.6.1
It is a fault if, in play, the shuttle is caught and held on the racket and then slung during the execution of a stroke;

[kontrabando]

IMHO...
i agree with neil_nicholls (Law 13.6.1) but Mag's comment is also correct...Mag's comment applies to an accidental double hit in one motion (usually happens when the cork hits the frame and the racket string hits it again after the follow thru)...this is almost invisible to the naked eye unless a super slow motion is done on video :)....while Law 13.6.1 applies to a literally caught shuttle in the string (usually a feather caught in the string...that's why they used the "slung" term after the swing motion)...the latter, which applies to Law 13.6.1, very seldom happens...

[kontrabando]

Am sorry, it's not just Mag who made the comment about double hit...jamesshie88 and Gollum did also...
If it's accidental, i think it's legal...if it's an intentional scooping or carrying, it think it's a fault...

[splitstep]

cheers guys, im just finding difficult to define it in words. Just that the rules are not totally clear. Like it can only contact the shuttle for 0.05 seconds lol

[vienly]

isn't slicing the shuttle like dragging it but at an angle?

[Gollum]

cheers guys, im just finding difficult to define it in words. Just that the rules are not totally clear. Like it can only contact the shuttle for 0.05 seconds lol

The rules are an attempt to define discrete categories of action, based on a continuous range of possible actions. This can never succeed completely.

In other words, no definition is going to be perfectly precise. There are always grey areas; all we can ask from a definition is that it banishes indeterminacy to a sufficient degree.

In practice, a blatant "catch, carry and sling" shot is illegal, but any other kind of double hit is not. It's not a problem unless unfair advantage can be gained by the player.

[manduki]

Wow. So you're allowed to hit the bird twice in one single stroke? I always thought that this was a fault and awarded my apponent a point or the serve...

[Gollum]

Wow. So you're allowed to hit the bird twice in one single stroke? I always thought that this was a fault and awarded my apponent a point or the serve...

Indeed you are allowed :)

This happens quite frequently, though players may not always realise it. Many sliced shots (including serves) contact the shuttle twice (often the base is hit first, and then the feathers).

[splitstep]

Indeed you are allowed :)

This happens quite frequently, though players may not always realise it. Many sliced shots (including serves) contact the shuttle twice (often the base is hit first, and then the feathers).
So its ok if we dont realise it, not trying to play vollyball here right? ;)

[Gollum]

So its ok if we dont realise it, not trying to play vollyball here right? ;)

Yes exactly :) No spikes allowed!

[jamesd20]

It is impossible to define the length of time the shuttle is in contact with the racket. What might be easier to understand is that the shuttle may only be in contact with the racket moving in one direction.

Eg. catching the shuttle on your racket would be one direction, then "slinging " the shuttle back would be contact in more than one direction.


It is very common for the shuttle to be hit more than twice in a rally. As Gollum et al have said, drops are one example. others include pushes, some serves and some net shots. Accidental examples are usually in defence, wherby the player mistimes the stroke, uses his wrist too early and the shuttle is carry on the racket during his follow through.

Whilst the rule may be ambiguous to read, once shown it in person it is obvious when a fault has been commited.

[Eurasian =--(O)]

in tournament play if this shot is hit once or twice it will not be called illegal unless it is blantently obvious. it is harder for the observer to see the slight carry than the player to feel it.

[ao314]

In the men's singles 2004 olympic final between Taufik Hidayat and Shon Seng Mo, 1st game 7-2 Shon to serving. After Taufik's smash, Shon's return looked like a drag shot - not called, seems it is ignored.

[splitstep]

In the men's singles 2004 olympic final between Taufik Hidayat and Shon Seng Mo, 1st game 7-2 Shon to serving. After Taufik's smash, Shon's return looked like a drag shot - not called, seems it is ignored.
Did he win the point from it?

[ao314]

Did he win the point from it? No, Shon didn't win the point.

[splitstep]

No, Shon didn't win the point.
u think if he won the point, a let might have been called :confused:

[jamesd20]

u think if he won the point, a let might have been called :confused:

No because he didnt use two motions.

[CanuckBur]

Hi,

Our group plays double a lot so I have many encounters with backhand kill and lift. Sometimes, when I did the backhands, the shuttle slided along the surface of my racquet before it bounced off near the rim or at the rim. I often got points this way so I felt a little guilty about it because I thought it may be a foul. What do you think? Is this a foul?

** I often wonder about whether my old string has something to do with it. My cab21 was strung with bg65, 23lbs, but it was left in the badminton bag for 7 years before I used it for 10 months. The string is still very tight. Should I cut this old string? This racquet can still make the smashing "bang" sound.

Thanks.

[cappy75]

Should be fine if it's just one stroke. Check out past threads on sling and shuttle contact for clarity.

[CanuckBur]

Should be fine if it's just one stroke. Check out past threads on sling and shuttle contact for clarity.
Ah. Thank you. :)

[SystemicAnomaly]

Double hits are usually OK it it is a single stroke. However, a sling or carry could be considered a fault according to IBF law 13.6.1

"(It is a ‘fault’ if, in play, the shuttle) is caught and held on the racket and then slung during the execution of a stroke"


Check the laws at the following link:
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/documents/laws2002.pdf

[tranvi007]

It seems like a carry. Which is when the bird is stuck on the racket. But the might be a time restriction, like under 1/10 of a second or something. But as long as it's not obvious, like stuck on the racket.

[Neosakai]

The IBF Laws are like a Bible :D

[Cheung]

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