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kwun
03-04-2005, 10:06 PM
Golden couple seek silver lining and there is no place like home


Robertson and Emms can erase Olympic agony at badminton's Wimbledon
By Mike Rowbottom

The Independent

05 March 2005


Halfway down the stairs at the Badminton Association's Milton Keynes HQ there is a glass cabinet containing the rackets with which Gillian Gowers secured her place in the annals of the All-England Championships - the singles title in 1978 and, two years before that, a clean sweep of singles, doubles and mixed doubles.

The discreetly placed display offers Nathan Robertson and Gail Emms, Britain's Olympic mixed doubles silver medallists, a little daily reminder about deeds still to be done on home soil as they move about in the facility which serves as their main training base.

Their efforts in Athens may have made them the most successful players in the history of the British game, but when they take to the court at Birmingham's National Indoor Arena on Wednesday they will be under pressure to give a good showing in a tournament where they have yet to make a significant impact.

The All-England Championships will offer the British public their first chance to see the Olympic silver medallists taking on world-class opposition - the field includes the Chinese pair who defeated them 15-1, 12-15, 15-12 in the final in Athens, Zhang Jun and Gao Ling.

It was six years ago that Britain last provided a home winner at the Championships, Simon Archer and Joanne Goode, who went on to win the Olympic bronze in Sydney.

Matching that performance in the event that Emms likens to Wimbledon will be a daunting prospect, but the British pair are in the kind of form which makes it a possibility, having won their semi-final in the German Open yesterday, gaining revenge on Jun and Ling with a 15-11 15-12 victory to reach today's final.

But one thing the British pair were sure of, as they wolfed their lunch in the HQ cafe, was that the Championships would be scrupulously officiated. Regretfully. Badminton, it seems, is a nasty old business on the court. "In England, the officials are very honest," said Robertson, with the trace of a grin. "You always get fair tournaments."

The inference is clear - we are back to the comments he made in the wake of the Olympic defeat, when he referred to the "needle" that existed between European and Asian players.

"We play 50 per cent of our tournaments in Asia, and it's much more difficult there," Robertson said, and Emms amplifies his point with the ease you would expect of a sporting couple who spend so much time together.

"When you play in China, the officials will call everything the Chinese way," Emms said. "And when you protest, you can hear the crowd laughing and shouting at you. We don't do that sort of thing, because we're British!"

Robertson said: "Our hardest match was probably the final of the Thailand Open in January. The officials were giving us warnings for nothing, and almost disqualified us because they were so desperate for the home pair to win. But we won it anyway."

Opposition players also exert their presence on each other - some of it physical, some of it mental. In their Olympic final, Jun gave a passable imitation of vintage McEnroe as he vented his frustrations. Robertson said: "You've got to get rid of your nice personality. On court, your opponent is your enemy."

Emms adds her own perspective: "When you watch some of the smashes the guys do, the whole thing is full of testosterone. It's 'I can hit it harder than you'."

In Robertson's assessment, he is the more extreme of the two on court, admitting that he throws his racket around and shouts at the officials, but he's not overly physical: "Well, I've never struck an official!"

Robertson and Emms, respectively 27 and 25, have been a pairing since 2001, having played together in the junior ranks. "It's not a settled life, but it's a great lifestyle," said Robertson, who has a flat in Milton Keynes, where his daughter Neve, who made several TV appearances after the matches in Athens, goes to school. His partner, Ditte, lives in her native Denmark, where Robertson lives the other half of his life as a league player.

Emms, too, plays in the Danish League - sadly, there is no likelihood of a British version in the near future - and moved last year from her native Bedford to buy a house close to the badminton centre.

Their Olympic success has altered, rather than transformed, their lives. Both appeared on the BBC Superstars programme, andA Question of Sport, where Emms was accused by her team captain, Matt Dawson, of being "very competitive". Emms said: "I was a bit hyper, but I was on a roll. I got loads of questions right. I get recognised more than I used to. I was called 'badminton queen' the other day - that was good."

But if the Olympics have enhanced their profile, the memory of their defeat - it took them nine minutes to register a point, at 9-0 down, yet they recovered to get within four points of the gold at 11-8 in the final set - is almost too hard to bear.

"I still feel gutted about it," Emms said. "When I think about us getting the silver medal it brings a lump to my throat, almost. I can't see myself ever being fully over it."

Robertson concurs: "In the immediate aftermath there was a sense of massive disappointment. You knew you might never get that chance again. I think about the final every day. But I was still absolutely happy about stepping onto the Olympic podium."

At the post-match press conference in Athens, Robertson announced defiantly that they were both young enough to come back and win the gold.

"I said before the last Olympics that my peak was 27," he said, adding, with a wide grin: "Now I'll peak at 31 for the next Games."

MarkinJapan
03-05-2005, 01:43 AM
"We don't do that sort of thing, because we're British!"
:rolleyes:

she must be joking.............

Cheung
03-05-2005, 03:13 AM
Halfway down the stairs at the Badminton Association's Milton Keynes HQ there is a glass cabinet containing the rackets with which Gillian Gowers secured her place in the annals of the All-England Championships - the singles title in 1978 and, two years before that, a clean sweep of singles, doubles and mixed doubles.

:confused: Shouldn't it be Gillian Gilks?

happy go lucky
03-05-2005, 03:21 AM
yeah right. That reminds of good Tony Blair who is a good leader and a gracious person.
:rolleyes:

she must be joking.............

Dill
03-05-2005, 09:29 AM
Could be worse, it could have been Nathan who was called "badminton queen" :eek:

aiyuuw
03-05-2005, 05:09 PM
Golden couple seek silver lining and there is no place like home


. "We don't do that sort of thing, because we're British!"

okay, now what is this? they dont do that becos theyre british and we do becos we're asians? and why are they called golden couple anyway?
the truth is 'things' like that happens everywhere

jamesd20
03-05-2005, 05:50 PM
I am confused about the title, surely it should have read:

"silver couple seek golden lining"

:)

hcyong
03-05-2005, 07:02 PM
okay, now what is this? they dont do that becos theyre british and we do becos we're asians? and why are they called golden couple anyway?
the truth is 'things' like that happens everywhere

Well, the fact is, these 'things' do happen most of the time in Asian countries. The umpires and service judges are usually fair because they come from other countries, but the linesmen are another case. In Europe, people tend to be more fair, but that doesn't mean they don't do it. They are just less likely to do it. We are all human and in varying degrees susceptible to emotions and passions. But I dream of the day we do not need the linesmen anymore.

However, I think the way Emms said it was quite tactless. It makes her out to be a victim of a worldwide conspiracy, like the whole world is out to deny her titles. But the fact is competition is stiff and sometimes they do play like sh*t.

Wizbit
03-05-2005, 08:55 PM
..So basically the Asians stick together?...however the Europeans look after eachother too?

Some Malaysians would like to argue that they were robbed of a gold medal at last years All England event....with intervention from a fellow European umpire? please....:(

It is still evident that N Robertson and G Emms are very bitter at their loss in Athens, but they have no one to blame apart from themselves. They admit that mental mind games are part of the game, but I think they are to blame for their own fall down as they got a taste of their own medicine and couldn't stomach it aswell as their opponents. I think it has been blown out of proportion...all this competitiveness has brewed a real hatred between some of the players. If this were football, the FA football association would have stepped in by now, and demanded some tea party where all parties involved would shake hands over a cup of tea. ;)

G Emms says she is gutted for walking away with Silver...I would say she was rather lucky. Had Kim/Ra survived till the end, they could have walked away with nothing.

I feel for them because there is so much pressure for them to win. Fact is they are not technically as good as the top pairs from Asia. The only matches I have seen where they win these top pairs seems to go down to a psychological scrap, although I have the say the Olympics MXD final was very watchable :D

If they want to prove they are the best, they should let the results show it. In my opinion Zhang and Gao have just past their peak, although still second to Kim and Ra. New pairs from Indonesia, Korea, China, Denmark and Denmark are breaking through successfully. There is a window of maybe up to 12-18 months for Robertson and Emms to reign at the top. What do you think?

madturtle
03-05-2005, 11:54 PM
You know what? they are simply racist to say this. robertson has a bad temper, so who is he to comment on Asians like that and give such a generalisation? it only goes to show his low level of intellect and prejudice.

aiyuuw
03-06-2005, 01:14 AM
well, i dont know if theyre racists or not, but they (particularly robertson) have told this to the media for more than once, i wonder why,,,,:mad:

prince_user
03-06-2005, 01:32 AM
One thing that has to be pointed out is that the Robertson/Emms combination is simply not that good. Witness the German open, from being 14-3 up against Lee/Lee they finally lost 17-14.

One word comes to mind on this performance: choke. Excusable for a new team ( which incidentally Lee/Lee are ), but simply inexcusable for those with the experience in international tournaments that they have had. What is worse is that they were up against a new pairing. Shouldn't the choking be the other way around?

At least here they won't have the excuse that it was on Asian ground ( No offence meant to their fans ).

Dill
03-06-2005, 03:14 AM
I think Nathan needs to work on mental strength, as long as I have watched the two compete (around 3 years) I have always noticed Nathans moods, he seems dejected and down once things get a bit away from him. Gail on the other hand always appears bubbly and more important she always tries in her body language, Nathan on the other hand looks as if he just gives up.

When you talk about pressure there is immense pressure lumped onto these two, they are now officialy the best pairing Britain and England has ever had with their results at Athens, but, there have been lots of sniping at them for lack of results and that multiplied after the Olympics where they were doing a lot of promotional work and no training and it echoed in the results for the competitions they played just after Athens, even before Athens they were attacked left right and centre for being non achievers.

If they have points to make just ignore them and judge them by their performances on court, afterall badminton is a psychological game as well and if the fellow players are in the same veign as the replies we have seen here then Nathan and Gails article has done its job.

prince_user
03-06-2005, 08:47 AM
Just a note,

It is hard for me to see Robertson/Emms winning the All-England this year given the draw they are stuck with. They are scheduled to meet Lee/Lee ( the couple that just beat them ) in the second round, Mogensen/Olsen in the quarterfinals and Gao/Huang in the semis. Any of these matches could be finals matches in other tournaments.

Schneider
03-06-2005, 10:13 AM
You know what? they are simply racist to say this. robertson has a bad temper, so who is he to comment on Asians like that and give such a generalisation? it only goes to show his low level of intellect and prejudice. They are not racist to say this, as if they are speaking in Chinese then how are they suppose to understand? And if they are shouting at them they can be very discomforting. Then again I do agree on the issue about Nathan's mental attitude but that's understandable:).

jamesd20
03-06-2005, 01:07 PM
Then again I do agree on the issue about Nathan's mental attitude but that's understandable:).

Can you explain why this is understandable?


Problem with mental side of things are very difficult to change. I cant think of one player who has reached a high level, but struggles with focus, and has manage to overcome this.

Simply because you cannpot place the pressure of winning a major final until you are there, and they dont come around that often.

jkusmanto
03-06-2005, 01:13 PM
It is very easy to blame somebody if you lost.
I think Nathan/Gail is just shouting out 'to show' their disappointment. After their lost to Asian pair in their finals.



:confused: Shouldn't it be Gillian Gilks?
By the way Cheung,
She was Gillian Gilks before married Mr. Gowers.

kwun
03-06-2005, 01:19 PM
It is very easy to blame somebody if you lost.
I think Nathan/Gail is just shouting out 'to show' their disappointment. After their lost to Asian pair in their finals.

unfortunately i also have the same feeling as jkusmanto. it was a case of sore loser. and frankly, i think a true sportsman/woman should take defeats in a more respectful manner. if those are indeed the true comments from Robertson/Emms, then they have lost my respect for them.

Dill
03-06-2005, 03:28 PM
Problem is Kwun it is now customary to blame anything but the person, it gives them hte sense that they are vunerable and can be beat and that is just what they don't need.

All these comments are psychological gamesmanship, if people believe them then they will think that Nathan and Gail won the silver not lost the gold for a miriad of reasons and they are indeed far better and when they play on home soil they will be unstopable.

Give it a week and see what happens. Usually they go out in the quarters of the All England.

jamesd20
03-07-2005, 02:24 PM
Problem is Kwun it is now customary to blame anything but the person

Maybe in the UK (and others) But not elsewhere.

If you dont come to terms with the fact that you lost because you weren't good enough, then you wont improve. Anything else is an excuse.

Also just because it may be customary, doen't mean we have to respect anyone who blames others!

kwun
03-07-2005, 02:35 PM
Maybe in the UK (and others) But not elsewhere.

If you dont come to terms with the fact that you lost because you weren't good enough, then you wont improve. Anything else is an excuse.

Also just because it may be customary, doen't mean we have to respect anyone who blames others! i am not going to generalize where that happens, but i want to point out that there are many badminton players i have seen take defeats/mistakes in a true sportman manner.

take our own JR for example, he never blame others for the matches he has lost. if he loses in a match, or makes a mistake, he admits that he didn't play well or made a bad judgement. and then later on he will come out again to play some brilliant badminton. i see that's the way a true sportperson should behave.

another example is Lin Dan, who loss in the Olympics was one of the most talked about news this year. he never come out to blame or bad-mouth anybody. he was depressed and sad about the loss i am sure. but later on in the year, he picked it up again and went off to win 4 tournaments. proving again to the world that he is still the one to beat. that's what a true sportsman is about.

jcl49
03-07-2005, 02:38 PM
Could be worse, it could have been Nathan who was called "badminton queen" :eek:
or "Badminton Princess" (with his alice bands).

Anatolii
03-07-2005, 08:30 PM
Emms said. "We don't do that sort of thing, because we're British!" talk about mental depth.

it's nauseating that these people as the public figures who get themselves heard, choose to make statements like this.

Cheung
03-07-2005, 10:10 PM
By the way Cheung,
She was Gillian Gilks before married Mr. Gowers.
Ahh, I think she was Mrs Gilks already. Gillian Gowers is another ex-England player.

Going back to the main theme, Nathan and Gail simply cannot go on being bitter and sniping about the Olympic final loss. I'm sure they are sensible enough to realise that they have to get over it. Wether they can control their emotions in such a fashion is another matter.

The newspaper article is also written in an ambiguous fashion. When I first read it, it seemed that the british pair were placing part of their Olympic loss on difficulties on winning in the Asian circuit.

I think we should all be mindful that news articles sometimes do not reflect what players actually said and many are written to provide some sort of 'sensationalism'.

The chance is now there to prove that England's no.1 mixed pairing is the best on home turf...the All England! To prove that they are the very best, they have to do it consistently on the Asian tournaments as well.

Remember a guy called Icuk Sugiarto? Won the World Championships but could never make the breakthrough in another top European tournament afterwards.

madturtle
03-11-2005, 09:47 AM
it's nauseating that these people as the public figures who get themselves heard, choose to make statements like this.
yes, i agree with that! what do they mean by the people in britain are very fair, that all their tournaments are very fair and they dont so called act like the Chinese because they are british. its absolute biasness!

just because they are british means what, they are totally civilised and fair people and the implied asians are unfair in the judgement and stuff? im not saying that UK is not a fair country, but they are making themselves seem so mighty on top just because they are from britain, and despising asians like that. he has a real attitude problem, always throwing up his racket and drowning his head in despair, which is not the right attitude a sportsman should don on.

slacking_freak
03-13-2005, 07:43 AM
talk about mental depth.

it's nauseating that these people as the public figures who get themselves heard, choose to make statements like this.
yes...i totally agree wif it...it is like discriminating...especially when a public figure make such a statement...i think that it is totally not the way a public figure should say...it actually reflects the person's thinking as in for example...the person actually feel that they are more superior...



If you dont come to terms with the fact that you lost because you weren't good enough, then you wont improve. Anything else is an excuse.
yup...i agree with this statement as being a sportsman...you have to have good sportsmanship... when its a lost...its a lost...you have to face the fact that...you are not good enough...although...yes...there may be other factors...but...the main reason is also because you are not good enough...no matter..physical...or mentally...

Yogi
03-13-2005, 11:42 PM
Nathan and Gail dont know or not have heard of "Grace in defeat". To say that their umpires are not favourable and the crowd does not Jeer at others is a JOKE. If you see the history of other sports that the British have played namely Football and Cricket they have had VERY Favourable Decisions at crucial junctures.

If those Statements are not Racist then what is... She simply says they are BRITISH and they dont do such things. Thats ********. Nathan and Gail wont go down in history as one of the best ever and thats for sure...

Nathans actions are not understandable at all. Badminton fortunately is not a sport like Tennis. Going by Emms standard it would be uncivilised for nathan to throw tantrums... I suppose that is truly "BRITISH"

jkusmanto
03-14-2005, 05:47 AM
Salute !!! Congraturation to Nathan and Gail.

As I said in the other thread. It seems that Nathan/Gail has changed.
She had no complaint. He had no yelling.
They accepted what the umpire dicided.
It seems that her arrogance is gone.

Any way they prove and show the world that they are one of the best in XD.

England has waited so long to have a champion at home ground.
Now England has it. Again, Congraturation !!!

aiyuuw
03-14-2005, 06:12 AM
Salute !!! Congraturation to Nathan and Gail.

As I said in the other thread. It seems that Nathan/Gail has changed.
She had no complaint. He had no yelling.
They accepted what the umpire dicided.
It seems that her arrogance is gone.

Any way they prove and show the world that they are one of the best in XD.

England has waited so long to have a champion at home ground.
Now England has it. Again, Congraturation !!! eh, maybe not gone, i think lessen is better suited it