Rise of Xie Xingfang. [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

kwun

03-14-2005, 02:11 AM

i don't think we can miss the amazing string of tournaments that Xie has won recently. since October, Xie has won 6 consecutive tournaments:

Denmark Open 5*
German Open '04 3*
China Open 6*
Indonesia Open 5*
German Open '05 3*
All England 4*

a couple of months back, when Xie Xingfang won the first 3 tournaments, many of us believe that she probably won because her strong compatriots, namely Zhang, Zhou and Gong were not present. however, after the latest 2 competitions where the others are present, including defeats of the strongest of the strongest, Zhang Ning 3 times. at this point, we undoubtedly can say that this 4th lady of the Chinese squad has finally risen and ready to take over.

WoAiZhongGuo

03-14-2005, 05:00 AM

She has been improving a lot hasn't she? Didn't people say something about her having some mental problems before and that was why she easily lost concentration or something??? Ironically, now that she's started dating Lin Dan, her results have improved ... whereas usally it does the opposite.

Heehee, maybe Lin Dan's helping her.

seven

03-14-2005, 05:11 AM

Interesting point WoAiZhongGuo! :p

Xie Xingfang is surely performing very well currently!
On their side, Zhou Mi and Gong Ruina just don't seem up to it at the moment... :rolleyes:

other

03-14-2005, 05:12 AM

Interesting point WoAiZhongGuo! :p

Xie Xingfang is surely performing very well currently!
On their side, Zhou Mi and Gong Ruina just don't seem up to it at the moment... :rolleyes:
mmmmm...better find some boyfriends/hubbys for them quick then otherwise they will drop out of the top 6:D

mikki

03-14-2005, 05:30 AM

yep! Xie was great! but i think her real test maybe during the World Championship. If she won that tournament, then she will be the great WS player.

aiyuuw

03-14-2005, 06:11 AM

yea , she has had good year last year, and now she got her first ae title, shes good, i wonder why sometimes some place her as a second class player among other chinese ws players

fishmilk

03-15-2005, 09:30 PM

well i think anyone who's been in some sort of tournament or competition that's very important to them would know... mentally is seriously half the game... and at their level... the difference in their abilities are very minimal... if i was the coach, i would rather have someone who can keep a cool head throughout the game and know what they're doing, than someone who has slightly better strokes, or footwork, or stamina but lose points 'cause they're nervous and don't know what they're doing... that's probably why she wasn't picked as top 3 ws for the chinese team

hcyong

03-15-2005, 10:06 PM

Back when Zhou, Gong and Zhang were the dominating force, Xie stayed in the shadow. But that does not mean she was not performing well. She still defeated most of the other players in the world. She lost occassionally to players like Jun Jae-Youn, but most of all, she usually lost to the top 3 Chinese.

Now that Mia and Jun's form have not been fully regained, and a sudden drop of form of Zhou, Gong (who are even losing to non-Chinese players) and Zhang (whose stamina is not up to scratch), naturally Xie comes to the fore. I think we should not read too much into the recent tournament wins. They were confidence-boosting wins for sure and she will bring this confidence to future tournaments, but to be the top player in the world? I don't know. I think Zhang will come back and take it back. We'll see.

wilfredlgf

03-16-2005, 12:12 AM

She will take over from Gong RN as the looker of the Chinese ladies soon!

cappy75

03-16-2005, 12:36 AM

Yeah, she'll conquer the world with that red one piece suit.

She will take over from Gong RN as the looker of the Chinese ladies soon!

cooler

03-16-2005, 12:39 AM

hope she (XXF) is not peaking too soon ;)

WoAiZhongGuo

03-16-2005, 03:28 AM

She will take over from Gong RN as the looker of the Chinese ladies soon!

Haha! You know, i always thought she was the prettiest one out of all the Chiense women...

But then I'm female myself so maybe you guys have different tastes ;)

Loh

03-16-2005, 03:38 AM

Yeah, she'll conquer the world with that red one piece suit.

I concur and I'm sure Kwun does as well. On the other hand, I have someone in my team who thinks I have no taste for beauty! :D

Well, as they put it, "One man's meat is another man's poison". :rolleyes:

FEND.

03-16-2005, 03:40 AM

I concur and I'm sure Kwun does as well. On the other hand, I have someone in my team who thinks I have no taste for beauty! :D

Well, as they put it, "One man's meat is another man's poison". :rolleyes:
Hahaha. True words have been spoken....

Anyways, to topic we must focus on....

The run will continue... just like that of her lover's.....

02011953

03-16-2005, 05:31 PM

yea , she has had good year last year, and now she got her first ae title, shes good, i wonder why sometimes some place her as a second class player among other chinese ws players
I said when she won AE, that she was a doubles specialist in WJC WD and XD in when GongR won WS (1998). GongR went straight into the senior ranks - surprisingly, which then had Ye, GongZC as well as Zhou, Zhang and the other one who lost fo Camila in the WC.
She switched into singles and lost often in the QF or SF to the big 3 and was often excluded from the main events - the latest being the WC and Olympics when she was No.4 and 6 but could not get a brith.
Her emergence was the trip to Germany as consolation prize for being left behind in the Olympics - same for Xia.
It is true that you must have it in you to win and to win 6 times in a row, including beating the big 3 is proof that she is a high flyer in singles not a supporting caste. Few have ever done that.
She will certainly make it near the WC finals if not win it, but how many top Chinese players won the AE and WC in their whole careers? Y

cheongsa

03-16-2005, 06:32 PM

hcyong

03-16-2005, 08:12 PM

Was the qualification criterion different for MS and WS for WC 2003?

In MS, China had 4 players: Chen Hong, Xia Xuanze, Bao Chunlai and Lin Dan. Malaysia had 4 MS players as well: Wong Choon Hann, Roslin Hashim, Hafiz Hashim and Lee Tsuen Seng.

Was there a restriction to maximum 3 WS players per governing body?

For the Olympics, the maximum is always 3.
For the WC, the maximum is 4 as long as all four are in the top 8. I have forgotten what happened in 2003.

cheongsa

03-16-2005, 08:46 PM

Xie Xinfang definitely played in WC 2003. See this thread

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10903&highlight=xie+xiao

kyiyu

03-16-2005, 08:53 PM

Yeah! She seems great atleast almost a year:rolleyes: . But look at some interesting point:cool:. She never met her counterpart Zhou Mi during her triumphant tounament. Look at the record between XXF and ZM...........:eek: . Hmm...... Every badminton has thier own "nemesis":p . Something like Taufik vs Chen Hong.:D Anyway she seems great at this moment!:cool:

PLAYER HEAD-TO-HEAD

Xingfang XIE (http://www.intbadfed.org/Portal/desktopmodules/biography.asp?pnumber=50254&firstrec=0&recno=1&recs=1&searchplayernumber=50254) 0 - 6 Mi ZHOU (http://www.intbadfed.org/Portal/desktopmodules/biography.asp?pnumber=7821&firstrec=0&recno=1&recs=1&searchplayernumber=7821)
http://www.intbadfed.org/Portal/uploads/50254f.jpg http://www.intbadfed.org/Portal/uploads/7821d.jpg

Proton-Eon MALAYSIA OPEN 2004 MALAYSIA Quarter-Finals ZHOU 1-11 8-11 2004
YONEX ALL ENGLAND OPEN 2004 ENGLAND Quarter-Finals ZHOU 6-11 12-13 2003
CHINA OPEN 2003 P. R. OF CHINA Semi-Finals ZHOU 2-11 7-11 2003
PROTON EON MALAYSIA OPEN 2003 MALAYSIA Semi-Finals ZHOU 2-11 3-11 2003
Yonex All England Open 2003 ENGLAND Gold Medal Final ZHOU 6-11 5-11 2002
Sanyo Indonesia Open 2002 INDONESIA Quarter-Finals ZHOU 9-11 11-6 12-13

i don't think we can miss the amazing string of tournaments that Xie has won recently. since October, Xie has won 6 consecutive tournaments:

Denmark Open 5*
German Open '04 3*
China Open 6*
Indonesia Open 5*
German Open '05 3*
All England 4*

a couple of months back, when Xie Xingfang won the first 3 tournaments, many of us believe that she probably won because her strong compatriots, namely Zhang, Zhou and Gong were not present. however, after the latest 2 competitions where the others are present, including defeats of the strongest of the strongest, Zhang Ning 3 times. at this point, we undoubtedly can say that this 4th lady of the Chinese squad has finally risen and ready to take over.

cheongsa

03-17-2005, 09:34 AM

I believe XXF bt ZM in the SF of Indonesian Open 2003 for the first time, before meeting Wang Chen in the finals.

02011953

03-17-2005, 10:18 AM

Yes, Xie, as I said, was losing to the big 3 so she could not get out of their shadow, but she was being converted from a doubles into a singles specialist which took time especially if she was always being considered as a reserve or 4th choice. However being 0-6 head-to-head vs Zhou is just for the record. Zhang Ning had a 0-7 record against Zhou but once she got her she began beating her regularly. That's why I said before the AE finals that once a player overcomes a previously unbeatable player, he/she gets a run.That turned out to be the case - Xie beat Zhang for the 3rd time and twice in 2 weeks. That will stick in Zhang's mind when they next play - the fear factor is now germinating in Zhang's sub-conscious.
And Zhang is 6 years slower. Xie has about 2 years on Zhou, not big at 23-25 but serious when you are playing like Zhou and Gong have been doing in the last 6 months since the Olympics. It may be temporary, loss of interest or they may be in decline but they are losing to nobodies. Y

Qidong

03-17-2005, 11:17 AM

I believe XXF bt ZM in the SF of Indonesian Open 2003 for the first time, before meeting Wang Chen in the finals.

No, actually Wang Chen beated ZM, and XXF beated Wang Chen in the final. But still 0-7 against ZM is past record. I believe XXF can beat ZM next time if they meet. ;)

cheongsa

03-17-2005, 05:38 PM

No, actually Wang Chen beated ZM, and XXF beated Wang Chen in the final. But still 0-7 against ZM is past record. I believe XXF can beat ZM next time if they meet. ;)

Indeed. I watched the video of the Indonesian Open 2003 WS final again, and found that Wang Chen had beaten Zhou Mi, who had beaten Zhang Ning in the upper half of the draw, while Xie Xinfang beat Tracey Hallam in the QF before beating Gong Ruina in the SF.

madturtle

03-18-2005, 01:40 AM

you know what? there's a serious mistake in the worldbadminton.net rankings which say that xxf lost to zhang ning in the ae finals, and her point calculation is wrong as a result! maybe someone should write in and tell ibf about that...haha.:)

seven

03-18-2005, 03:03 AM

seven

03-18-2005, 05:10 AM

I've just sent them a mail to tell them.
That's it, they've replied and corrected it.
Xie Xingfang is now just slightly behind Zhang Ning in the ranking, not far from becoming world number one!...

madturtle

03-18-2005, 08:44 AM

wow! what did they say? i calculated xxf and zhang ning's actual points just now, and yes, xxf is not far from becoming the world no. 1! haha.

seven

03-18-2005, 09:01 AM

wow! what did they say? i calculated xxf and zhang ning's actual points just now, and yes, xxf is not far from becoming the world no. 1! haha.
They hadn't seen the mistake so thanked me for telling them. :)
(no need to calculate it, it has now been corrected on worldbadminton.net)

the_way

05-17-2005, 12:23 AM

if zhang ning were to retire, what will happen to xie? represtent the great china wall and become the lone ranger fighting against the rest of the world?

maybe, during that time, players like pi hongyan,wangchen,mia,jun jae youn, eriko begin to teach li yongbo a lesson ??? but..quite impossible....i think li yongbo wont allow zhang to retire until they produce a few more champions

suetyan

07-14-2005, 07:37 AM

but now when she present at MO , she injured badly , her result increase those few months

YanQing

07-14-2005, 05:04 PM

Syaoran_Style

07-15-2005, 08:30 AM

Actually,I'm like you guys,surprised by Xie Xing Fang's sudden rise to World Number 1.Although she didn't manage to get into the final rounds of Aviva Open and Malaysia Open,think she wasnt feeling well right?In Singapore she already look unwell.Anyhow,I'm a newbie at badminton and Xie Xing Fang's achievenments really shocked me.I thought she represented China in badminton tournaments for many years already...only did I find out recently that she only started her career in 2004,right?Think Xie Xing Fang will make it big..she got a good personal "coach"..hahaha!

..Euuh Xie Xingfang didn't start her career in 2004 =p
she began to win a lot in 2004 after the olympics games ... she's in the china team since many years, everybody said about her that she's maybe the most talented player in the china team, but at that time she was well-known for her capacity to lose mentally a match .. but after her disapointment to be not selected in the OG 2004, she worked really really hard , and began to win and win ... LoL even nowadays i don't think even zhang ning can beat xie xingfang at her best .. =p

madturtle

07-15-2005, 09:47 AM

..Euuh Xie Xingfang didn't start her career in 2004 =p
she began to win a lot in 2004 after the olympics games ... she's in the china team since many years, everybody said about her that she's maybe the most talented player in the china team, but at that time she was well-known for her capacity to lose mentally a match .. but after her disapointment to be not selected in the OG 2004, she worked really really hard , and began to win and win ... LoL even nowadays i don't think even zhang ning can beat xie xingfang at her best .. =p

hmm i beg to differ. it should be the OTHER way round. xxf's rise was just a rather temporary one, imo. zhang ning is still the one with a better technique, a better skill, and not to mention, better physique and stamina.

during this yr's AE, although zn lost, but there was a part when she made xie run all over the court, and at the net, xie's weak and unmuscular (sorry no offence) legs just gave way and she collapsed. she just looked so helpless and had the "zn is really hard to beat" look on her face.

Syaoran_Style

07-15-2005, 11:18 AM

hmm i beg to differ. it should be the OTHER way round. xxf's rise was just a rather temporary one, imo. zhang ning is still the one with a better technique, a better skill, and not to mention, better physique and stamina.

during this yr's AE, although zn lost, but there was a part when she made xie run all over the court, and at the net, xie's weak and unmuscular (sorry no offence) legs just gave way and she collapsed. she just looked so helpless and had the "zn is really hard to beat" look on her face.

that's bizar because everytime i saw zhang ning or xie xingfang playing all comentators were saying that zhang ning hasn't got the same extend of technique with the other chinese, and i saw xie xingfang playing several times and i found her skills really amazing !!
In the AE final , maybe zhang manage to move sometimes around xingfang, but the rest of the time, xingfang dominated the final with an incredible 11-3 over the world and olympic champion ! Xie is always young but i think at the age of zhang ning she will be better than zhang ning in all part of the game, she's incredibly talented, i don't think that her rise is temporary, but i think that xie xingfang is now the better player in the world .. =)

kyiyu

07-15-2005, 09:19 PM

Rise of XXF is not a fluke but her skill. Her record speaks for herslef. She won 6 straits GP until AE2005 in March 2005. During that triumpahnt journey, she beat Zhang Ning three time (China Open, German Open2005 Final and AE2005 Final).

Notably during German and AE open final, I had witnessed her outstretching Zhang Ning all over the court. I still couldn’t forget the Zhang Ning panting like horse under the various & skillfull stokes of XXF.

Her success was ended only in Japan Open 2005 where she lost to Zhang Ning at Final. And in deed she lost ZhouMi in Singapore 2005 quarter and LiLin Round 32 within time frame of 2 weeks.

Just because of 3 games lost, I could not find out her success of almost a year as fluke.

YanQing

07-15-2005, 10:54 PM

Well,I saw both players play during Aviva Open 2005.From what I see,yes,Xie Xing Fang's legs have got no muscles.But that doesnt deter her from playing well.Just that she was ill.Hmm,and Zhang Ning,much as she is good,she MAKES players run and she herself doesnt like to run.I was thinking if it is because age is catching up(no offence)..but ya..i love china players.They put up the most intensive game in a competition...its all about being agressive,fast and alert!They rockz!!

kyiyu

07-15-2005, 11:29 PM

Zhang Ning,much as she is good,she MAKES players run and she herself doesnt like to run.I was thinking if it is because age is catching up(no offence)..

Well!:cool: I think Zhang Ning is the most athelitic (at least in my opinon) among female players. I still can't get enough of seeing her playing.:D

YanQing

07-16-2005, 11:13 AM

Ya,when u watch her play,u dont see any attitude but professionalism.And she's very polite!
Well!:cool: I think Zhang Ning is the most athelitic (at least in my opinon) among female players. I still can't get enough of seeing her playing.:D

madturtle

07-16-2005, 12:20 PM

Just because of 3 games lost, I could not find out her success of almost a year as fluke.

well i guess no one ever said it was a fluke. i just felt that her success wasnt as remarkable as zn's. but anyway everyone's entitled to his/her opinion. :)

YanQing

07-16-2005, 10:17 PM

Agreed!All of us are entitled to our own opinions!Anyway,any more news must update ok?Thanks ar!
well i guess no one ever said it was a fluke. i just felt that her success wasnt as remarkable as zn's. but anyway everyone's entitled to his/her opinion. :)

kyiyu

09-03-2005, 05:10 AM

It seems that what I said of XXF's nemisis is true. :D
Just a week after crowning the World Champ, XXF lost to Zhou Mi again.:eek:
Do you think that we will see her beating ZhouMi in one day :cool: ?

YanQing

09-08-2005, 07:06 AM

Well,you never know.The first time I noticed Xie Xing Fng was at Aviva Open 2005.She lost to Zhou Mi.But she said it was because of her back injury right?That time I recall she didn't play really well.Can tell she was ill.Her first match as compared to her last was very different...Lets say we should give Xie Xing Fanf more time...hope she wins Zhou Mi some day...Zhou mi is good too!
It seems that what I said of XXF's nemisis is true. :D
Just a week after crowning the World Champ, XXF lost to Zhou Mi again.:eek:
Do you think that we will see her beating ZhouMi in one day :cool: ?