who will win the 2005 Sudirman Cup? [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

aiyuuw

03-17-2005, 02:53 AM

I don't think any other teams have any chance like TC and UC last year. 2 sure points from WS and WD. Which team can take all 3 points from Lin Dan, Cai/Fu and Gao/Zhang? :rolleyes: for me its china, hands down, but i dont want it to be china, becos now it seems to be so predictable that china will win, last time korea won becos they had kim and ra, but now? i only see jung/lee that are fearsome, not interesting, china is too dominating
as for who can beat those players:
lin dan : taufik (but this guy is too erratic)
cai/fu : luluk/alven, rasmusen/paaske
zhang/gao : nathan/gail, widianto/natsir

Anatolii

03-17-2005, 03:33 AM

of course i hope china will win, but it's sad if the game turns to another table tennis, and nobody else in the world except chinese is playing :crying: :crying: :crying:

so let's hope:

gold - Luxembourg
silver - Cyprus
bronze - Jamaica

:D :D :D :Dyou guys are so unpredictable!! now you complain that china is winning too much/ too easily/ dominating the sport and spoiling the fun; but if (let's hope not) they happen to lose, you'll be debating whether there was a motive behind the loss, and what-nots :rolleyes: :p

FEND.

03-17-2005, 03:50 AM

lol. I reckon china takes it. Without a doubt. 2 points they secure already in WS / WD. What more the mens singles...

Anatolii

03-17-2005, 03:55 AM

lol. I reckon china takes it. Without a doubt. 2 points they secure already in WS / WD. What more the mens singles...
maybe we should turn the discussion to "who would make the chinese have a hard time getting the cup" or something :p :p we're now just just sort of rephrasing each others sentences ;)

aiyuuw

03-17-2005, 05:00 AM

maybe we should turn the discussion to "who would make the chinese have a hard time getting the cup" or something :p :p we're now just just sort of rephrasing each others sentences ;) yea, i agree, if this is about predicting who'll be the champion, then everybody (minus 2love2live that is) would say china without hesitation, so from now on, why dont we change it to "who would make the chinese have a hard time getting the cup", just like 'tolii' saidhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif, i'll say denmark

Bresis

03-17-2005, 07:51 AM

Qidong

03-17-2005, 09:18 AM

of course i hope china will win, but it's sad if the game turns to another table tennis, and nobody else in the world except chinese is playing :crying: :crying: :crying:

so let's hope:

gold - Luxembourg
silver - Cyprus
bronze - Jamaica

:D :D :D :D

Yes, that's true. But if US can win the gold by beating China in the final, it's even better. Not because I live here, but getting the people in US excited will help promote the sport in the world.

gold - US
silver - China
bronze - ...

peace

03-17-2005, 09:31 AM

:p I also want to give my prediction here.. My prediction is CHINA will win the next Sudirman Cup which they lost two years ago to Korea. That time, Korea still had Kim/Ra and also very good MD like Lee/Yoo or Kim/Ha..but next Sudirman cup..I heard that Korea will ask Kim/Ra to help them retain the Sudirman Cup. I don;t know whether this will come true or not..
But as this come true, China will still have 4 other points to be saved.
For MS, everyone know that China is the strongest now, especially LIN DAN :D and for WS and WD...:p no doubt China will always get 2 points, and for MD China getting stronger, seems Cai/Fu already on the top...they won the last two tournaments in order..:) ...so who will be able to beat China ????:confused:

Korea..this is not the year for them, even Kim/Ra will be in their squad, but all others 4 are weak compare to China.

Denmark, only can hope to get the point from MD and maybe MS (not sure since Peter gade become older and not as strong as before)...for XD hmm...Zhang/Gao still better than them.

Indonesia :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: ...still far away to get the Sudirman Cup, since if they meet China they already lost 2 points:p WS and WD....no doubt for this...Indonesian ladies player are too weak..they can even be beaten by the countries which are not strong at badminton...their ability is too far behind..not to underestimate them, but this is true...so if they wanna win, they must get all the 3 points from the rest...and it will be a very tough job

So no doubt CHINA will win !!!!! Go for China !!!
and remember another thing, China is also the host so they have more motivation to win and combine all the three cups (after TC and UC) to China...hope that they will not be over confidence:D

2love2live

03-17-2005, 08:29 PM

you guys are so unpredictable!! now you complain that china is winning too much/ too easily/ dominating the sport and spoiling the fun; but if (let's hope not) they happen to lose, you'll be debating whether there was a motive behind the loss, and what-nots :rolleyes: :p
i am confused??:confused: :confused:

2love2live

03-17-2005, 08:34 PM

i know u quit cigarette but what's you're smoking now :confused: :p
haha cooler you are such a cool guy:D no i am not, i was drunk, heehee:D

2love2live

03-17-2005, 08:49 PM

Yes, that's true. But if US can win the gold by beating China in the final, it's even better. Not because I live here, but getting the people in US excited will help promote the sport in the world.

gold - US
silver - China
bronze - ...
true :) it suddenly occurs to me that it seems no russian is playing badminton? weird...

mikki

03-18-2005, 01:31 AM

Nah! I will say Malaysia!!!.

yea, i agree, if this is about predicting who'll be the champion, then everybody (minus 2love2live that is) would say china without hesitation, so from now on, why dont we change it to "who would make the chinese have a hard time getting the cup", just like 'tolii' saidhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif, i'll say denmark

seven

03-18-2005, 02:47 AM

true :) it suddenly occurs to me that it seems no russian is playing badminton? weird... Not true, Russia is a good badminton nation, it used to be one of the top european nations and is still producing some top junior players. (have a look at the top seeds of the european champs : http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22231)

kwun

03-21-2005, 03:42 PM

2 months till the bi-annual 2005 Sudirman Cup in Beijing. Korea took the SC from China in 2003 after China winning it for the 4 times prior. who will be come home victorious for the 2005 edition?

peace

03-21-2005, 04:19 PM

My prediction is CHINA. They are the strongest team and they are also the host, so the chance for them to win this Sudirman Cup 2005 is the biggest among other countries. Hope that they will not be over confidence.

Qidong

03-21-2005, 05:34 PM

I think if China plays against all-world team, they still have more than 50% chance of winning.

LazyBuddy

03-22-2005, 12:12 AM

No team wants to face CHN, as it means for 95%, CHN gets WD and WS in its pocket regardless who they send on the court from their top 2 or even 3. Even though, they are stuggle with XD recently, but the rising MD makes up the slack. And who can ever say, deal with Lin or Bao or even Chen or Xia could be an easy task for MS?

Neil Nicholls

03-22-2005, 03:51 AM

Maybe Indonesia are the main contender for China.

aiyuuw

03-22-2005, 04:21 AM

Maybe Indonesia are the main contender for China. really? i think its denmark, u know, they have strong md, xd, and ms (i suppose indonesia does too, maybe u got the pointhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
but anyway, i still think no matter how strong their contenders are china still has its way to getthe cup

seven

03-22-2005, 04:29 AM

Maybe Indonesia are the main contender for China. I think Denmark and Korea are bigger contenders for China than Indonesia currently...
But I suppose any of the top four can win the Cup in fact.

Neil Nicholls

03-22-2005, 06:27 AM

seven

03-22-2005, 08:14 AM

Who's going to beat Lin Dan?

I don't think it will be Peter Gade or Kenneth Jonassen
I don't think it will be Lee Hyun-Il or Shon Seung-Mo

Taufik?
Hafiz on a good day?
maybe

but Malaysia aren't strong enough in XD
Malaysia aren't in group 1 anyway!! :rolleyes:

Peter Gade, Lee Hyun Il, Taufik (or Sony) could all well beat Lin Dan on a good day.
Lin Dan can also collapse under pressure as he did in the Olympics...
Of course, Lin Dan would be the clear favourite on his homeground but don't forget no one could believe Chen Hong could be beaten in the SC two years ago... and Lee did it!

Qidong

03-22-2005, 11:03 AM

Maybe Indonesia are the main contender for China.

Maybe this has been discussed before. Too lazy to do a search. What happen to Indonesia female team after they won the UC in 94 and 96? How come they can't produce another world class player after Susi Susanti and Mia Audina. Otherwise, they would be co-favorite.

hcyong

03-23-2005, 12:26 AM

I think Denmark and Korea are bigger contenders for China than Indonesia currently...
But I suppose any of the top four can win the Cup in fact.

I think Denmark and Indonesia are bigger contenders for China. For opponents of China, it does not matter how strong your ladies are, you will still very likely lose the WS and WD. So, you have to depend on your men. Denmark have Peter, Kenneth, Jen/Martin and Lars/Jonas to mount serious challenges. Indonesia have Taufik and a host of MD. Korea, as far as I can tell, only have Lee/Jung who can mount a serious challenge.

seven

03-23-2005, 07:05 AM

I think Denmark and Indonesia are bigger contenders for China. For opponents of China, it does not matter how strong your ladies are, you will still very likely lose the WS and WD. So, you have to depend on your men. Denmark have Peter, Kenneth, Jen/Martin and Lars/Jonas to mount serious challenges. Indonesia have Taufik and a host of MD. Korea, as far as I can tell, only have Lee/Jung who can mount a serious challenge.
There also have been rumours of Kim Dong Moon and Ra Kyung Min competing in the Sudirman Cup... :rolleyes:

Even without them, Korea still has Lee Hyun Il, Shon Seung Mo, Ha Tae Kwon ...

Troncheur

03-23-2005, 07:42 AM

There also have been rumours of Kim Dong Moon and Ra Kyung Min competing in the Sudirman Cup... :rolleyes:

Even without them, Korea still has Lee Hyun Il, Shon Seung Mo, Ha Tae Kwon ...
The point is here ! If Ra Kyung Min compete, she can lead korea to another victory because WD would be more uncertain. Without her, no way !

About Denmark, sudirman cup is a team competition, so very different from indo open or all england. I'm sure that danes can play tremendously in this kind of event and make at least 1 surprise (WD or MS). MD and XD are very strong in denmark so who knows ....

Loh

03-24-2005, 03:23 AM

There also have been rumours of Kim Dong Moon and Ra Kyung Min competing in the Sudirman Cup... :rolleyes:

Even without them, Korea still has Lee Hyun Il, Shon Seung Mo, Ha Tae Kwon ...

I must confess I was not that interested in the Sudirman Cup until now. And I think this mixed team competition is good as it takes into account the all-round badminton strengths of a country and heighten the team spirit of not only the men but also the women compatriots.

As the poll shows, China is the firm favourite. Their men and women are tops in the world and it is indeed a gigantic task to dislodge them.

I agree that if ever any country which can give China a fight it will be South Korea, Denmark and Indonesia. However, while the other two countries have won the Cup before, Denmark has yet to show its mettle. But what all these contenders lacked is their weakness in their women's department and with three matches involving the ladies, XD, WS and WD, this is critical shortfall.

I would give the Koreans an edge over their other two rivals as their women's doubles and mixed doubles can create problems even for China on a good day. The Koreans are also relatively stronger in women singles, now that Camilla Martin has retired and weaken the chance for Denmark, whose men are undoubtedly perhaps the strongest Denmark has ever fielded and can certainly cause upsets against the Chinese men, esp in doubles. But we must also not disregard the Korean men's doubles who have time and again caused major upsets, albeit that Kim Dong Moon may not be available.

One discounts the Indonesian men at one's own peril! China thought it could win the men's events at the Olympics but was flatly taught a lesson. In both men's singles and doubles, Indonesia has it to stop the other top players in their tracks! Both their young and 'veteran' doubles pairs can strike fear into their opponents and what more can we say of the indomitable Taufik in singles as well as bronze Olympic medalist Soni? And their young XD is shaping up very nicely too!

It is going to be a very FIERCE Sudirman Cup challenge this year and Indonesia will do well to bring back the Cup so thoughtfully donated by its own countryman. A trip to Beijing this May will not be to no avail. ;) :p :D

hcpoirot

03-24-2005, 12:02 PM

China will be the winner. (99%)

Why?

Cause no matter who they fight in group one they already secured 2 points from WS and WD.

Then they had strong MD and XD. Any country who want to get point from this sector have to play extremely well.

For MS, nobody can beat Lin Dan right now (from the group 1 competitor except Chen Hong and Taufik H)

But of coruse when China meet Indonesia they will play Bao Chun Lai and not Lin Dan. Bao had good head to head against Taufik. Bao lead Taufik by 4 - 2.

Another winning factor, they play the cup at their own country. They will get major boosting morale from the crowd.

For Indonesia, I hope they will get into the final. Its not easy that we already had to give two points (WS and WD) before the game even started. So the MS, MD and XD had huge resonsibilty to secure tree points. If one of them fail, we will out from this tournament. That will be a huge stress for the MS, MD and XD players.

New_Guy04

03-24-2005, 02:04 PM

i think the biggest contenders against china are indonesia and korea

indonesia vs china

indonesia might be weak in the womens, but their men can pull off some stunt (if taufik doesn't get cocky or pissed), and their men's doubles is pretty solid also. Mixed doubles, i think they might be able to pull it off. Zhang and gao are not playing very well at the moment, and i think there are only 3 pairs in the world that are able to play well (indonesian pair <i forgot their name>, lee/lee, and gail/emms) i think all these pairs can beat zhang/gao at the moment.

korea vs china

korea actually has a slight chance of disturbing the chinese women's doubles, especially if ra comes to help, but i think lee/lee is good enough to beat wei/ zhao, and maybe even stand a chance against gao/huang or yang/zhang... and MAYBE a chance in the women's singles (not likely, i admit). men's singles: honestly, i htink there are a few in the world that can beat lin dan, especially since lin dan is less dominating than last year at teh moment. looka the previous all england... he got 3 game matches on almost all his matches... i think lee hyun il can beat lin dan (he was close last time) , if he trains hard and gets back on form. men's doubles: lee/jung might stand a chance against cai fu, but best if the invincible KIM/HA is here
xd, i htink lee/lee can beat zhang/gao, but what's better is if kim/ra plays... than thats' already 1 point secured...

ctjcad

03-25-2005, 01:02 AM

Don't forget the Thailand XD, who beat Gao/Zhang in straight sets in the recent AE. Too bad the Japanese are in the other group, as their WS player(s) could give China a run for their money.
We'll see which team/nation has the "healthiest" players coming in. The "healthier" they are the better chance they have.

Zhang and gao are not playing very well at the moment, and i think there are only 3 pairs in the world that are able to play well (indonesian pair <i forgot their name>, lee/lee, and gail/emms) i think all these pairs can beat zhang/gao at the moment.

Go Gade

03-25-2005, 05:53 AM

Why isn't Malaysia participating?

Quasimodo

03-25-2005, 08:52 AM

Why isn't Malaysia participating?

They are. They're just in group 2, or 2nd division, however you want to call it. I think they got demoted after a poor showing in the last one?

johnps

03-25-2005, 09:46 AM

They are. They're just in group 2, or 2nd division, however you want to call it. I think they got demoted after a poor showing in the last one?
Malaysia was in Group 2 since 2001 after being demoted from Group 1 in 1999.

Loh

03-25-2005, 09:56 AM

Actually I quite like the idea of promoting the top two or so countries in the lower divisions to the next higher division to replace an equivalent number of the poorest performing countries from these divisions, which should be demoted to the next lower division. This will really make the countries sit up and do their best something akin to the English Football Leaque system.

What do you think? :)

Ilsegogogo

03-27-2005, 06:34 AM

compared with advantages and disadvantages of all teams, i would say China gets the Cup!

happy go lucky

03-27-2005, 07:27 AM

The "big bully" of badminton, of course, while the rest competing for 2nd best :o

DaN_fAn

03-28-2005, 06:52 AM

Basically any one would say china.but seriously i dont see why denmark cannot beat China.They can definitely challenge them in the ms md and mxd doubles.[forget about the ws and wd which are almost a formailty.it's like the opposition is just playing to know the final score ,the result being almost confirmed.it would be interesting to see an upset though.well even it's a one in a million chance it's still a chance ,right.[RRRIGHT].or perhaps there are MORE chances that zhang ning will twist her ankle and retire:D ]
it would be dissapointing for the home fans if china fail to win the cup.but, personally i dont want to see china brush aside other teams like nothing.i would love to see a denmark-china final going into the very last rubber.
i thing it's also interesting to see who plays in the ws singles?[xie or zhang].it is unlikely that xie will play though,or perhaps they will rotate the 2 depending on the team against which they play,and save zhang's energy.

DaN_fAn

03-28-2005, 06:55 AM

oh! and i like the idea of group pomotion too.but does that mean that a team in the 5th group will have to wait for a minmum of 8yrs from now if they want to win the cup[correct me if i am wrong]

seven

03-28-2005, 07:07 AM

oh! and i like the idea of group pomotion too.but does that mean that a team in the 5th group will have to wait for a minmum of 8yrs from now if they want to win the cup[correct me if i am wrong]
Yes, that's what it means.

DaN_fAn

03-28-2005, 07:21 AM

dont u think that's too long a period.i mean say some really weak team in group 5 actually gets promoted to group one due to as string of great perfomances.then after 8 yrs where are te players??in countries like china,indonesia , denmark etc good players replace the ones who leave.but what of the countries where world class badminton players are just 3-4.[perhaps this only means that in order for a country to win the SC, it's badminton community should be really large and the infratructure for the sport must be really good.which should make winning the SC even more valuable]

hcpoirot

03-28-2005, 09:06 AM

Basically any one would say china.but seriously i dont see why denmark cannot beat China.They can definitely challenge them in the ms md and mxd doubles.
I am disagree with you.

Yes, Denmark can challenge China in MD and XD. The chances for that numbers are 50:50.

But China already got 2 solid points from WS and WD. Meanwhile Denmark got 0 score. It will be a huge mental problem for the Denmark to get 2 points in a row from MD and XD.

As for MS, I can't see any Denmark MS can challenge Lin Dan. Peter Gade? He even lost to Roslin Hashim in All England and Hafiz in Swiss Open. Probaby age does matter? And he never beat Lin Dan from their recently previous meetings.

hcpoirot

03-28-2005, 09:10 AM

other

03-30-2005, 04:56 AM

its a team event, so even if u have 1 invicible player, you'd still lose 4-1 or whatever. u need strength in depth, and good development, training, and guidance of new players all the time to acheive this, therefore its not about playing the same players 8 years in a row, but working towards a strong national squad, with this "cup" as a kudos prize.

therefore i agree with the different "leagues" since u should always be playing against teams of the same standard, as long as new players keep emerging. maybe there will be less 5-0 wins compared to the group stages of the TC and UC:rolleyes:

TKG2609

04-08-2005, 10:33 AM

Final : China Vs Indonesia

indra

04-11-2005, 01:54 AM

:rolleyes: any early prediction who will hold the Sudirman Cup for this year tournament. My favorite still China Team, but must beware for Korea and Denmark.=======I guess It is Indonesia's turn. When Taufik is in his best form, no player on this planet will be able to defeat him. Chandra/Sigit are still the best. MD are improving.

Chinese players have always had difficulty in playing in in their own country. It is a sort of " home-syndrome".

aiyuuw

04-11-2005, 03:58 AM

=======I guess It is Indonesia's turn. When Taufik is in his best form, no player on this planet will be able to defeat him. Chandra/Sigit are still the best. MD are improving.

Chinese players have always had difficulty in playing in in their own country. It is a sort of " home-syndrome". eeeh,, i dont think so, dont get me wrong, i do want indonesia to win, but lets face it, its almost impossible
first of all, taufik is NOT in his best form, secondly, candra/sigit are one of the best, but still beatable, like we've seen yesterday becos the mistakes they oftenly make
and i dont see chinese have any difficulties playing ANYWHERE, they almost always ruled the tournament
but, lets hope for the best for indonesia, its getting boring now, that we can predict easily who'll be the champs in tournaments (lindan, chinese wd and ws)

Anatolii

04-11-2005, 05:40 AM

its getting boring now, that we can predict easily who'll be the champs in tournaments (lindan, chinese wd and ws)i think, aiyuuw, it's time for you to Take Up the sport. :D after that, you'll be watching matches from a different light. ;),, Go on,,, go,,,,,,, NOw!

ok ok. maybe you'll need to get a racquet first :p.

Boris

04-11-2005, 06:06 AM

CHINA for sure. MS/ WS/ WD will secure 3 points. China is unbeatable.:D

hcyong

04-11-2005, 09:39 PM

indra

04-11-2005, 10:38 PM

eeeh,, i dont think so, dont get me wrong, i do want indonesia to win, but lets face it, its almost impossible
first of all, taufik is NOT in his best form, secondly, candra/sigit are one of the best, but still beatable, like we've seen yesterday becos the mistakes they oftenly make
and i dont see chinese have any difficulties playing ANYWHERE, they almost always ruled the tournament
but, lets hope for the best for indonesia, its getting boring now, that we can predict easily who'll be the champs in tournaments (lindan, chinese wd and ws)========
...Final: Indonesia vs China

Taufik vs Lin Dan = 15-10, 13-15, 15-2.
vs Chen Hong = 15-5, 15-4
vs Bao Chun Lay = 15-10, 15-8
Chandra/Sigit vs whoever = 15-10, 14-17, 15-2
Nova/Natsir vs whoever = 15-12, 15-13
WS vs whoever = 5-15,10-15
WD vs whoever = 3-11, 2-11

SO Final Score: Indonesia (3) - China (2) :cool: :D ;)

aiyuuw

04-12-2005, 12:16 AM

========
...Final: Indonesia vs China

Taufik vs Lin Dan = 15-10, 13-15, 15-2.
vs Chen Hong = 15-5, 15-4
vs Bao Chun Lay = 15-10, 15-8
Chandra/Sigit vs whoever = 15-10, 14-17, 15-2
Nova/Natsir vs whoever = 15-12, 15-13
WS vs whoever = 5-15,10-15
WD vs whoever = 3-11, 2-11

SO Final Score: Indonesia (3) - China (2) :cool: :D ;) wow,okay thenhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
anyway, u misplaced ur 'imaginary' score in wd and wshttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

hcyong

04-12-2005, 01:57 AM

========
...Final: Indonesia vs China

Taufik vs Lin Dan = 15-10, 13-15, 15-2.
vs Chen Hong = 15-5, 15-4
vs Bao Chun Lay = 15-10, 15-8
Chandra/Sigit vs whoever = 15-10, 14-17, 15-2
Nova/Natsir vs whoever = 15-12, 15-13
WS vs whoever = 5-15,10-15
WD vs whoever = 3-11, 2-11

SO Final Score: Indonesia (3) - China (2) :cool: :D ;)

Taufik v whoever (more or less 50-50)
Chandra/Sigit v Fu/Cai (more or less 50-50)
Nova/Natsir v whoever (more or less 50-50)
WS (China 99%)
WD (China 99%)

That is more realistic.
And even those which are 50-50 slightly tilts towards China.

peace

04-12-2005, 07:09 AM

I think China will win the Sudirman Cup....

Their opponent in final could be Indonesia, Denmark, and Korea
If they meet Indonesia...they can win 4-1 or even 5-0...
against Korea....hmmm I think can be 4-1
against Denmark can also be 4-1 or 3-2

:D
Hope that they won;t be nervous to play at home...
So...Go China !!! Go LIN DAN !!! :D
Zhong Guo !!! Zhong Guo !!!

jkusmanto

04-12-2005, 09:15 AM

It was also happen in 2003. China and Indo were in the first place, but what happened ? Korea was the best.

Right now, peoples say China and Indo all the time.
Don't under-predict Korea and Denmark.

China is the best in WS, WD and 'maybe' MS and MD. But they are all beatable.
Beside the Taufik 'trouble maker' Hidayat, Indo has also MD and XD. But worst in WS and WD. Do you think Indo -with a 'unstable' Taufik, MD and XD- can get the SC ? It has to do very, very hard.

Korea has, WD and WS to compete China. Also the performance of its MD en XD are grouwing up.

Denmark, right this moment has the best MD and XD. PEter Gade still one of the best. So.... never under-estimate Denmark.

peace

04-12-2005, 12:31 PM

Yes, SC 2003 was very surprised....China lost to Korea....but I think the next SC will be for China...since now, Korean MD is not strong enough and also XD (except if Kim/Ra compete)..and for WS and WD I think China is still unbeatable..only MS will have a bit risk...since Lin Dan often play a tight match with Lee Hyun-il...
So...my prediction for China vs Korea :

MS : 60-40 for China (hope LIN DAN will play..because last SC...Chen Hong lost to Lee Hyun-il)...
WS : 100 % for China
MD : 60-40 for China
WD : 100 % for China
XD ; 70-30 for China
so in the worst case, I guess China will still win for 3-2 :p

If against Indonesia, well my prediction :

MS : 50-50 (especially if Taufik Hidayat already recovered 100 % from his injury..and hope China will play Bao Chun Lai or at least Lin Dan...in this case..Bao have better record against Taufik)
WS : no doubt 100 % for China (Indonesian WS are too weak)
MD : 50-50
WD : as WS no doubt 100 % for China
XD : 60-40 for China (since Nova/Lilyana always find difficulties against Zhang/Gao)
so...I think China can beat Indonesia for 4-1

Against Denmark...hmm :
MS : 50-50
WS : 100 % China
MD : 50-50
WD : 100 % China
XD : 55-45 for China
so...China still has bigger chance to win...:D ..

If other team want to win the SC...they must work very hard...since they must win all the three matches besides women matches (WS and WD)

So..my prediction is CHINA
:D

hcpoirot

04-17-2005, 11:54 AM

Guys and girls, before we predict who will win this cup, should we predict who will emerge as 2 semifinalist from group 1 A?

Remember that Jun Jae Yon didn't made it into Korea Sudirman cup probably due to injury. So the WS in this group will had the same chances to gain 1 point.

Korea WS : Seo Yon Hee
England WS : Tracey Hallam
Thailand WS : Salakjit P
Denmark WS : Tine Rasmussen

And of course Ra Kyung Min and Kim Dong Moon is back. But can they still play as good as before they lost in Oympic 2004?

Korea XD : Kim/Ra or Lee/Lee
Thailand XD : Saralee/Sudket
England XD : Nathan/Gail
Denmark XD : Jens/Mette or Jonas Rasmussen/Rikke O

The WD didn't effect much with Ra Kyung Min here cause with Lee/Lee I am sure that they can get one point from other WD in group 1A.

Men Doubles will be interesting too when Denmark meet Korean.

For Men Singles, Bonsak had good chances to gain point from Lee Hyun Il cause he had 2-0 record against Lee. Korea propably lost 1 point from MS when they met Denmark.

So who are the two team you pick to go to SF from group 1A?

hcyong

04-17-2005, 12:27 PM

Korea's weak points are the singles. Korea will lose 2 points here to Denmark, one point to England (Seo loses) and Thailand (Seo, Boonsak win). In the doubles, Korea will have to field their strongest lineup against Denmark if they hope to win, Lee/Jung, Lee/Lee and Lee/Lee (or Park/Ra if they prove to be better). Denmark will probably concede the WD, will have a fair chance in the MD, and have the luxury of fielding Laybourn/Juhl, so no players will have to play twice a day. England will lose both the MD and WD to Korea, even the XD is not a sure thing for them. Similarly for Thailand.

Korea v Denmark 2-3
Korea v Thailand 3-2
Korea v England 4-1

Denmark will thrash England. England can only hope to score a point from Robertson/Emms or perhaps another from WD, which is Denmark's weakest point. Against Thailand, Denmark will have to concede a point in the WD and maybe another in the XD, but I can't see a winning point for the Thais.

Denmark v England 4-1
Denmark v Thailand 3-2

So, there. My prediction is for Denmark to top the group and Korea to finish second.

badplayer2004

04-25-2005, 10:08 PM

hcyong

04-26-2005, 01:01 AM

china will win because of team results..this is more of watching denmark and korea fight for 1st runner up because they both got good women players after the chinese,in which case is almost non existent in the indonesians

In fact, due to that weakness, Indonesia may even lose to Malaysia. The winning point will be the men's singles.

suetyan

04-26-2005, 05:50 AM

china !!!! Lin Dan , Xie Xingfang , Yang Wei , Zhang Jiewen , Chen Hong , Zhang Ning , whole r the best player !

Syaoran_Style

04-26-2005, 06:40 AM

i am a big big china team fan ... but i must admit that the best in the sudirman cup is that we won't see a all chinese final lool !!

jkusmanto

04-26-2005, 07:34 AM

I am disagree with you.
Even Indonesia lack of lady player, but always be counted by the other teams.
As the matter as fact, Indonesia will count on its MS, MD and XD.
MS, Taufik has more than 60% chance to win against whatever Malays MS.
MD, Alven/Luluk or Candra/Sigit have more than 70% chance to win against whatever Malays MD.
Also XD, Nova/Lelyana has more than 70% chance to win against whatever Malays XD.
I can be wrong, but statisticaly, at this moment, Indonesia will win agaist Malaysia.

By the way, Indonesia will never face Malaysia in this Sudirman Cup. Indonesia is in the big 8, Malaysia not.
It will -maybe- happen if Indonesia loses all the matches and should compete in play-off round.

In fact, due to that weakness, Indonesia may even lose to Malaysia. The winning point will be the men's singles.

weeyet

04-26-2005, 07:42 AM

China will win the Sudirman Cup for sure.
If there are any bookie playing in this tournament, please let me know, I'll bet half of what I have to buy China win.

weeyet

04-26-2005, 07:44 AM

Malaysia has a good prospect of being promoted to Division 1 due to the fast improving WD and XD.

anyway, can anyone tell me who is in div.2 together with malaysia?

seven

04-26-2005, 07:47 AM

anyway, can anyone tell me who is in div.2 together with malaysia?
Russia, Netherlands and Chinese Taïpeï... no easy match here!

seven

04-26-2005, 07:48 AM

Russia, Netherlands and Chinese Taïpeï... no easy match here!
This is for group 2A.

Group 2B has Singapore, Japan, Germany and Ukraine.

Only one of these eight teams will be promoted to group 1 if I'm not mistaken...

weeyet

04-26-2005, 07:51 AM

Russia, Netherlands and Chinese Taïpeï... no easy match here!
Hope Malaysia could top the groups from MS, MD and WD

Loh

04-26-2005, 08:47 PM

The poll has swayed very much in favour of China in the Sudirman Cup!

On the other hand, except for the women's events, whereby the standards of the other countries' ladies are a level lower than China's, yet in the men's department, whilst China appears to be very strong on paper, we have seen that they could be beaten.

So I believe that the key to being successful in the SC is not just "on paper" alone, but on how team members perform during the actual proceedings themselves.

In this regard, high team spirit, morale and camaradarie is crucial to team success and can turn a seemingly lost cause into victory. We have seen in the past that 'weaker' players can be cajoled in giving of their best and turn the tables on their stronger opponents.

Some posters have ventured to say tha even in the ladies singles, Japan and Korea have outstanding players who could be 'fired up' to play above themselves. And don't underestimate what the Korean ladies can do in the doubles as well!

Which of the top contending teams that you feel possess this extraordinary and very special x-factor of super team spirit and morale such that they can even overcome the Great Wall of China? :rolleyes:

seven

04-27-2005, 03:04 AM

I think Denmark and Korea could have this extra "team spirit".
Not sure about Indonesia as there are so many problems inside PBSI at the moment.
Though I think they have big chances of winning in the end, I hope to see China seriously shaken! for the interest of the sport... http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

jkusmanto

04-27-2005, 03:24 AM

On paper China was stronger and better than Korea in Sudirman 2003.
But Korea won the cup because of its Team Spirit.
At that moment, nobody had ever predicted that Chen Hong would lose to Lee Hyun Il.

The poll has swayed very much in favour of China in the Sudirman Cup!

On the other hand, except for the women's events, whereby the standards of the other countries' ladies are a level lower than China's, yet in the men's department, whilst China appears to be very strong on paper, we have seen that they could be beaten.

So I believe that the key to being successful in the SC is not just "on paper" alone, but on how team members perform during the actual proceedings themselves.

In this regard, high team spirit, morale and camaradarie is crucial to team success and can turn a seemingly lost cause into victory. We have seen in the past that 'weaker' players can be cajoled in giving of their best and turn the tables on their stronger opponents.

Some posters have ventured to say tha even in the ladies singles, Japan and Korea have outstanding players who could be 'fired up' to play above themselves. And don't underestimate what the Korean ladies can do in the doubles as well!

Which of the top contending teams that you feel possess this extraordinary and very special x-factor of super team spirit and morale such that they can even overcome the Great Wall of China? :rolleyes:

seven

04-27-2005, 08:17 AM

Loh

04-27-2005, 10:25 AM

Funny that no one cites Thailand as a potential outsider... (only two votes)

With very good WD (Saralee/Sathinee) and XD (Sudket/Saralee), plus Boonsak in MS, they are potentially capable of beating anyone too...
Of course, they would need to all play the matches of their lifes at the same time... but that's what team spirit is all about! ;)

I've also observed that Thailand has made impressive improvements as a team. Now their XD is capable of matching any pair in the world and still has a chance of winning!

Imagine if Boonsak is a full-time pro and not part-time law student, what would it have been? Similarly for his sister in women's singles.

With a top countryman as President of IBF, it is no wonder that Thailand is closing in on the top Asian badminton nations, with only China a clear street ahead. Thailand could certainly upset Indonesia and Malaysia in the Sudirman Cup, that is if ever they should meet, because Thailand's ladies are shaping up nicely! ;)

ChocoChipWaffle

04-27-2005, 07:43 PM

i think they would definetly trouble denmark and korea, who are favorites to come out on top from group A
i predict 3-2 for Denmark against thailand, because i think they would lose wd and xd, but win all the rest.
i predict 4-1 or 3-2 for Korea. Even though Thai WD pair is good, they are still not good enough to beat China and LEe/Lee, at least consistently. However, they might win one from xd or ms, as shon or lee hyun il are not as sharp as they were b4 olympics. However, i doubt they will lose md or ws.

Qidong

04-27-2005, 11:04 PM

New_Guy04

04-28-2005, 02:05 AM

I believe Kenneth is a good player and all, and he will definetely give a good fight to the players in china, indonesia, etc. But would he win??? I 95% doubt it. In crucial games like this, i have almost never saw kenneth come up with a victory, ESPECIALLY in team events such as TC cup. He ALWAYS goes to a tight third set, but then always loses at the end. I seriously have no clue as to why he always does that, but i believe he won't prevail during this sudirman cup.

Builder

04-28-2005, 07:47 AM

I am not pro-china as a spectator. But my money is on Chinese team in this tournament for sure. Posters here do see a lot of strength in many different teams. Me too. But for determination to win the trophy, no team did it better than the present China team. People could cite Chen Hong's slipping whenever it was crucial. I could blame it on his lack of discipline, too much anxiety and poor management between power and endurance. I could observe that he has better patience coming into 2005 and has better resist the temptation of smashing the shuttle to the sidelines of the court and giving away easy points to his opponent. He was always a big hitter but now he is more a winner. Even more so is the young Lin Dan. He is now the master on court, the master of torturing every opponent in-sight until they yield. I am eagerly waiting for emergence of a new Gade or new Hydayit who is more powerful, skillful and most importantly energetic enough to bit Lin Dan. Recent form of the MD pair Fu and Cai is admirable in that they exhibit phenomenal speed and consistency. Leave-no-prisoners approach of Chinese women team is not particularly entertaining to me. Again and again, whatever wonderful techniques demonstrated by other European and Asian teams are still no-match for the bodily advantage of the Chinese girls in singles and doubles. Very likely China would not be challenged in group stage and I would be surprised if any team could push them to dig deep in the semi-final and final stage. If China do get anything less than champion, it is time to think about if the present management of the Chinese team deserves leading such marvellous players.

hcpoirot

04-28-2005, 12:14 PM

I think how far Danmark can go depends on who will play MD. Peter Gade may have better skills, but Kenneth Jonassen has better recent records and consistent against Asian players. I watched Peter Gade on DVD a couple times, and he definitely is slower after the injury, and making too many mistakes. If Denmark team sticks with Peter, I doubt if Denmark can gain any MS points against China, Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Korea and Thailand. If Kenneth plays MS, I think he will get 1 point from Malaysia, Korea and Thailand, and give Lin Dan and Taufik a good fight.

I agree wth you. The only big match Kenneth had won in group event that I can remember was Thomas Cup 2002 in China. He beat Lee Hyun Il that time in group preliminary and made his team won against Korea 3-2.

Beside that, he usually lost in important matches. So I guess the Danes better play Peter Gade in MS. Although he is not as fast as his younger days (he is 28 or 29 for christsake) but he is still the most dangerous player the Danes had.

jkusmanto

05-03-2005, 10:50 AM

Just looked at the draw in group 1A and 1B.

In group 1B, Hong Kong and Sweden will not make it to the semi.
THe first place will be taken by China, and Indo will be in the second place.

From the four team in 1A, my feeling is that Korea and Denmark will go through to the semi. Sorry for England and Thailand funs. :D It doesn't that I under estimate England and Thailand, but right at moment, difficult for them to break to the semi.

Now, who will sit in the first place ? Korea or Denmark ?
Denmark will take 2 point from MS and MD, as well as Korea, Korea will take 2 point from WS and WD.
The crusial of the match between Korea and Denmark is in XD.
The gap between Jens Eriksen/Mette Schjoldager and Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung is very thin.
My feeling goes to Denmark.

So, Denmark will face Indonesia. And China vs Korea.
China will win from Korea by taking 3 points from MS, MD and WD or WS.
Denmark will win from Indonesia by taking 3 point from MD, XD and WD or WS.

The final : China vs Denmark. I don't know. :D
But if according to what I will, I will Denmark to take the price.

other

05-03-2005, 11:46 AM

The crusial of the match between Korea and Denmark is in XD.
The gap between Jens Eriksen/Mette Schjoldager and Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung is very thin.
My feeling goes to Denmark.

mm i thought kim/ra were making a comeback? however, eriksen/schholdager have improved a lot since olympics going down 2-0 in the semi finals.

*~Taufik~*

05-06-2005, 06:03 AM

does anyone know the order of play? and will it be the same for all matches?

Mag

05-06-2005, 07:05 AM

Rikke Olsen is off the Danish team due to a back problems.
This really only affects their WD, as it is not likely that Rikke would have been cast to play any mixed matches. For Denmark, it means nothing against the strong WD nations like China and Korea, where the Danes would lose that point with or without Rikke. However, it could turn out to be a decisive factor against Thailand or in a potential semi-final clash against Indonesia.