April 4th, PBSI has decided a "team" for Sudirman Cup.
This team has to be fixed by Sutiyoso (PBSI's chef).

Men Single : Taufik Hidayat and Sony Dwi Kuncoro
Women Single : Maria Kristin and Adrianti Firdasari
Men Double : Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto, Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto and
Flandy Limpele
Women Double : Jo Novita/Lita Nurlita and Greysia Polii
Mixed Double : Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir and Anggun Nugroho/Yunita Tetty.

Strange is, the spliting of Flandy Limpele/Eng Hian.

I think PBSI can only send 16 players to Sudirman Cup, they chose Flandy because he can be a good backup for Mens Doubles and Mixed Doubles.It seems like PBSI relies more on Chandra/Sigit rather than Flandy/Eng Hian.

eh, now why do they send gresya polii without partner? is it becos she was quite succesfull in WJC in both xd and wd?
hmm,,taufik and sony are going to play? i thought theyre injuredhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

hmm,,taufik and sony are going to play? i thought theyre injuredhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

they are not injured anymore i guess... simon is the one who is still injured...

Sonny is not injured, he just recover from some operation. How ironic that we send a singles that just recover from an operation and hasn't play for a tournament for many months.

But we didn't had ay more MS anymore beside Simon who was injured and too inexperience for team event.

Lets say we only can count on Taufik all the way to gain point. Sony only to be played if we meet Sweden and probably Hong Kong.

Sonny is not injured, he just recover from some operation. How ironic that we send a singles that just recover from an operation and hasn't play for a tournament for many months.

But we didn't had ay more MS anymore beside Simon who was injured and too inexperience for team event.

Lets say we only can count on Taufik all the way to gain point. Sony only to be played if we meet Sweden and probably Hong Kong.

I think Sony may be in no shape to play Ng Wei. Considering Hong Kong has an almost certain point from Wang Chen, I think it's safer to field Taufik.

Ladies single :
Maria Kristin is out of the team and is replaced by Fransisca “Nana” Ratnasari.

Ladies single :
Maria Kristin is out of the team and is replaced by Fransisca “Nana” Ratnasari. oh, the one who ousted pi hongyan in the last io?

yup... she's the one... but then after IO 2004, she lost 0-11,0-11 to Pi Hongyan.. I forgot in which tournament...

oh, the one who ousted pi hongyan in the last io?

In quarter final Thailand Open 2005.

yup... she's the one... but then after IO 2004, she lost 0-11,0-11 to Pi Hongyan.. I forgot in which tournament...

Ladies single :
Maria Kristin is out of the team and is replaced by Fransisca “Nana” Ratnasari.
Any reason for this? injury? last minute choice change?

Any reason for this? injury? last minute choice change? hendrawan said becos looking from their prev. performances in the tournaments that they competed in, it seems that nana's achievements is better, and becos nana has this high 'fighting spirit' http://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif (yea, he DID say that)
seems like nana is his fave, he saidsumthin about her being the most diligent and stuffs before i guess
and u know what, just read from badminton-indonesia.com that silvi ran away from the dorm and emptied her room (what the?),,,,,

hendrawan said becos looking from their prev. performances in the tournaments that they competed in, it seems that nana's achievements is better, and becos nana has this high 'fighting spirit' http://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif (yea, he DID say that)
seems like nana is his fave, he saidsumthin about her being the most diligent and stuffs before i guess
and u know what, just read from badminton-indonesia.com that silvi ran away from the dorm and emptied her room (what the?),,,,,
Maria Kristin has more experience however as she competed in last Sudirman Cup and beat Julia Mann if I remember rightly.
Anyway we'll soon see whether this was the good choice! :cool:

About Silvi Antarini, it is a pity if yet another promising indo player retires before peak... :(

Maria Kristin has more experience however as she competed in last Sudirman Cup and beat Julia Mann if I remember rightly.
Anyway we'll soon see whether this was the good choice! :cool:

About Silvi Antarini, it is a pity if yet another promising indo player retires before peak... :(
Maybe it because of pressure. The PBSI (Indonesian badminton organization) want to had a wonderful result from WS which is impossible. So they send the WS to a few 3-5 star tournament each year and hope them to at least made it to QF or better. Which is 1000% impossible.

If you failed to do that, they will kick you out or make you feel uncomfortable so you decided to quit.

Just look at all the WS after Susy Susanti and Mia Audina. Yuni Kartika, Yuliani Santoso, Lydia D, Yuli Marfuah, and so many who had retired.

Yes, they didn't had as much talent as Susy and Mia, but they can compete with all other WS players in the world except maybe for the Chinese and Camilla. But all the PBSI want is a quick result.

Example: They should send the young WS players into lots of one star and A tournaments. Instead sending them to 5 star or All England which they lost in Qualification or first round. They need to build confidence first instead lost to strong opponent at first round.

Pi Hong Yan before she is in top 3 ranking now, at her earlier carreer only enter small event like rank A and 1 star tournament to get points and experience. Even Gong Zhi Chao or Xie Xing Fang at their earlier carreer, they enter one star tournamnet. (German or Poland Open if I am not wrong)

So if PBSI only want quick result and hoping our WS can reach QF or even better at 5 star tour quickly, they as well can keep their dreaming.

Yes, I agree with you on this hcpoirot.
You can't expect the girls to become the best in one day, they would need to gain experience and confidence in lower grade tournaments first...
This is a big waste of talents... :(

wait, silvi is not retired, she ran away,,,

aiyuww, silvi ran away probably cause she can't handle the presurre from PBSI official. They always want a great result from higher event like 4 or 5 star tournaments from silvi.

I already saw how Silvi play. She got the talent but not the experience. Of course her talent is not as big as Susy or Mia but how many player in the world had their big talent except some Chinese players, Camilla and Bang Soh Hyun?

My point is, if they kept send Silvi in small event first she will had good result and gain self confidence.

Instead they send you to a major event and you likely will meet the Chinese or ex Chinese players at the first or second round. If you lost the official wll not tolerate and keep critize you. ITs not easy at all.

I remember another case. Deyana Lomban , one of Indonesia future WD player some years ago.

In Indonesia Open she and her partner Carmelita lost to Thai pair, Sathinee and Sujitra. (Saralee was injured that time) The Indo pair got a huge critize from the official. How they can lost to Thai pairs ? You are not good at all and etc.

To be fair, The Thai already a good pair at that time so its not a suprise if the Indo lost to them. Not to mention Deyana and Carmelita just recently pair after Deyana teammate, Eliza retired.

Because of that too much critize , Deyana and Carmelita retired from PBSI. What a shame cause both of them can be real asset. They were both tall and Deyana had a good smash. And both of them are better than the WD we had right now.

I don't see a future for our WS and WD if the PBSI still had the same attitude. Even now in XD, I read in news that after Nova/Lilyana lost in AE semifinal, the official blast Lilyana cause she make lots of mistake.

But hey, a semifinal is not bad at all for a new couple specialy Lilyana who is a new player in XD. Nervous in a game is not a crime. But the official didn't want to know so they blame it all to Lilyana. And if they kept doing that, Lilyana may crumble and the new pair will split eventually.

aiyuww, silvi ran away probably cause she can't handle the presurre from PBSI official. They always want a great result from higher event like 4 or 5 star tournaments from silvi.

I already saw how Silvi play. She got the talent but not the experience. Of course her talent is not as big as Susy or Mia but how many player in the world had their big talent except some Chinese players, Camilla and Bang Soh Hyun?

My point is, if they kept send Silvi in small event first she will had good result and gain self confidence.

Instead they send you to a major event and you likely will meet the Chinese or ex Chinese players at the first or second round. If you lost the official wll not tolerate and keep critize you. ITs not easy at all.

I remember another case. Deyana Lomban , one of Indonesia future WD player some years ago.

In Indonesia Open she and her partner Carmelita lost to Thai pair, Sathinee and Sujitra. (Saralee was injured that time) The Indo pair got a huge critize from the official. How they can lost to Thai pairs ? You are not good at all and etc.

To be fair, The Thai already a good pair at that time so its not a suprise if the Indo lost to them. Not to mention Deyana and Carmelita just recently pair after Deyana teammate, Eliza retired.

Because of that too much critize , Deyana and Carmelita retired from PBSI. What a shame cause both of them can be real asset. They were both tall and Deyana had a good smash. And both of them are better than the WD we had right now.

I don't see a future for our WS and WD if the PBSI still had the same attitude. Even now in XD, I read in news that after Nova/Lilyana lost in AE semifinal, the official blast Lilyana cause she make lots of mistake.

But hey, a semifinal is not bad at all for a new couple specialy Lilyana who is a new player in XD. Nervous in a game is not a crime. But the official didn't want to know so they blame it all to Lilyana. And if they kept doing that, Lilyana may crumble and the new pair will split eventually.


Yes...I agree with you. PBSI should be wise in this case, they cannot always blame the players....and to get a good result, sometimes it takes time. :rolleyes:

Excellent thread and contributions from "insiders." :D It's very fulfilling getting some insights into the local Indonesian scene.

-dave

New news : PBSi has announced that Simon Santoso is in the team to replace XD player Anggun Nugroho who is sick.

New news : PBSi has announced that Simon Santoso is in the team to replace XD player Anggun Nugroho who is sick.
That mean Indonesia only had one XD pair to play.

Hmm, with this announcement, it looks like Yunita Tetty will have a new XD partner. Perhaps it could be with Flandy Limpele??As reported he was included in the team because he can play either MD or XD. If that happens, then XD will still have 2 pairs to offer. Then Yunita can pair up with either of the 3 WD players, which then will make up another WD pair.
IMO, this is not a bad move. As I can see the MS will need as many help as they can get, with Sony and Simon still recuperating and most likely not in the best of shape come May for the SC. If both of those players can muster some wins and can save Taufik for further 'important' matches, then the move could be beneficial.

Still though, if the 1st scenario happens, Flandy and Yunita will really have to train hard to get used to each other's game.
We shall see who will be the Indonesian SC team manager. I for one would vote for either Hendrawan or Joko S.

New news : PBSi has announced that Simon Santoso is in the team to replace XD player Anggun Nugroho who is sick.

Hmm, with this announcement, it looks like Yunita Tetty will have a new XD partner. Perhaps it could be with Flandy Limpele??As reported he was included in the team because he can play either MD or XD. If that happens, then XD will still have 2 pairs to offer. Then Yunita can pair up with either of the 3 WD players, which then will make up another WD pair..........

Still though, if the 1st scenario happens, Flandy and Yunita will really have to train hard to get used to each other's game.

According to my opinion, this is the scenario from PBSI. Flandy will play together with Tetty in XD. They will train hard from now to get used to each other.


We shall see who will be the Indonesian SC team manager. I for one would vote for either Hendrawan or Joko S.
I don't think Hendrawan is ready for the manager-ship right now, he has to learn more about organization. I will choose Joko over Hendrawan, if I have to choose. Because Joko has more experience. But who knows ?

Probably its safe only to play Flandy/Tetty when Indonesia meet weak team. (Sweden probably?) Otherwise its too risky to play them even when they play against Hong Kong.

Besides, Flandy rarely play XD and the results were only round 2 or round 3 in several XD tournaments he participated . Better stick with Nova/Lilyana pair.

Probably its safe only to play Flandy/Tetty when Indonesia meet weak team. (Sweden probably?) Otherwise its too risky to play them even when they play against Hong Kong.

Besides, Flandy rarely play XD and the results were only round 2 or round 3 in several XD tournaments he participated . Better stick with Nova/Lilyana pair.
Sweden have a good XD pair (Bergstrom/Persson, currently 9th in the world and QF in OG), so I'm not sure it's a good idea to put a "trial pair" against Sweden... http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

i think we shouldnt underestimate sweden (i may not know any of its player, but they are in group 1 anyway, cant be that bad) and flandy/yunita (who knows if they are the next promising pair?http://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif(well, maybe not))

i think we shouldnt underestimate sweden (i may not know any of its player, but they are in group 1 anyway, cant be that bad) and flandy/yunita (who knows if they are the next promising pair?http://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif(well, maybe not)) Sorry, I never meant to underestimate Flandy and Yunita, I should think they are capable of performing very well, I just think is that it is less safe to play them rather than Nova and Lilyana, especially when playing a world top 10 pair...

Sorry, I never meant to underestimate Flandy and Yunita, I should think they are capable of performing very well, I just think is that it is less safe to play them rather than Nova and Lilyana, especially when playing a world top 10 pair... lol, i dont (and didnt) blame uhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif i never thought that they'd be good either, but what im saying is they may be good, so lets not underestimate them just yet, but them being good in such short period to get used to each other is unlikely

really, seven i didnt mean to offend u or what u were saying

lol, i dont (and didnt) blame uhttp://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif i never thought that they'd be good either, but what im saying is they may be good, so lets not underestimate them just yet, but them being good in such short period to get used to each other is unlikely

really, seven i didnt mean to offend u or what u were saying
No problem aiyuuw! :D

Nothing is impossible.
We don't know the performance of Flandy/Tetty, because they have never played in any international tournaments.

But if we think a little bit logic : Why PBSI team up Flandy and Tetty togerther (if it does happen) ?
We don't know what happen in Pelatnas (Indo's training centre). Maybe they frequently play together in training.
Because PBSI has 2 good XDs, so PBSI thinks that it isn't necessary to separate them to form a new XD. They have already good with their partner.
But now Anggun is sick and Eng Hian is out of the team, so it is the moment to give them a chance to play.

Ofcouse Nova/Lelyana is always the first chooise.

Nothing is impossible.
We don't know the performance of Flandy/Tetty, because they have never played in any international tournaments.

But if we think a little bit logic : Why PBSI team up Flandy and Tetty togerther (if it does happen) ?
We don't know what happen in Pelatnas (Indo's training centre). Maybe they frequently play together in training.
Because PBSI has 2 good XDs, so PBSI thinks that it isn't necessary to separate them to form a new XD. They have already good with their partner.
But now Anggun is sick and Eng Hian is out of the team, so it is the moment to give them a chance to play.

Ofcouse Nova/Lelyana is always the first chooise. yay, and dont forget that the reason flandy was chosen to play in the first place was becos he is a flexible player, and i guess that means he maybe good at adapting other players' playing styles, but, maybe not,,,,,,http://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif, just maybe

Indo's team for Sudirman Cup will play a simulation match in Bandung on April 30th. All the 16 players will take part of this simulation.

According to Ferrial Sofjan vice-president of PBSI who temporary replace Icuk, the simulation will be held in Sudirman Cup format.
The result is very important to create a real team in Beijing.

i think we shouldnt underestimate sweden (i may not know any of its player, but they are in group 1 anyway, cant be that bad) and flandy/yunita (who knows if they are the next promising pair?http://badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif(well, maybe not))
If PBSI want to pair up flandy/yunita in Sudirman Cup, the right time is when Indonesia meet Sweden. Why?

I know that Sweden had good XD pair but if they ay flandy/yunita probably chances are 50:50

Even if flandy/yunita pair lost, I am confidence that Indonesia can won 3 point from MS, WS, MD and WD.

Sweden is in group 1 but it was 2 years ago. They got a good WS player Marina A at that time. She already retired now if I am not wrong.

But of course this only if PBSI wanted to try new pair. If they don't they can always play Nova/Lilyana.

The matches will be played tomorrow 30th April at Bandung Indonesia.

The confirmed matchups will be

MS Taufik Hidayat vs Sony Dwi Kuncoro
WS Fransisca Ratnasari vs Adrianti Firdasari
MDs Joko Riyadi/Hendra Gunawan vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto
MDs CandraWijaya/SigitBudiarto vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan
WDs Jo Novita/Greysia Polii Vs Lita Nurlita/Natalia Poluakan
MXD Novawidianto/Liyana Natsir vs Flandy Limpele/Yunita Tetty

The only one that missed out from this simulation is Simon Santoso.

It is good to put Flandy/Tetty against Nova/Lelyana, so we will know the performance and quality of Flandy/Tetty after the meeting.

so how was the simulation? can someone pls update me about it??

Can't wait to see the duel between Taufik vs Lin Dan and Luluk/Alvin or Chandra/Sigit vs Fu/Cai. Lets just hope the MD is not the final event play in Sudirman else we might not have chance to see the true strength of MD as outcome already determine by then(quite certain China will win as WD and WS pretty such the sure points for China).
The best events arrangement would be :
1.Men's Singles
2.Mix Doubles
3.Men's Doubles
4.Women's Singles
5.Women's Doubles
Agree?

Luluk and Alven didnt manage to attend the simulation matches due to flu. They will resume trainning next week when they recover.

Yes, that would be a very nice Final..However, both of those teams need to pass their Group play and the Semis, which won't be easy to breakthrough..

After looking at your "proposed lineup" below, IMO the lineup will instead put more pressure on the non-chinese teams(whoever they are, as they have to win all 3 matches which will be a lot of pressure) and will put less pressure on the Chinese, as the Chinese team will only need to win 1 of the first 3 matches and most, if not, will likely win the last 2...But by using the regular format or slightly different format, they have a better chance:
1.XD OR WS
2.WS OR MS
3.MS OR WD
4.WD OR MD
5.MD OR XD

Realistically, I doubt China will lose 1-4, but most likely they will lose 2-3-Hopefully the MD or XD flights will decide it all..Thus, yes the Finals could be down to the last event..

just my 2 cents..

Can't wait to see the duel between Taufik vs Lin Dan and Luluk/Alvin or Chandra/Sigit vs Fu/Cai. Lets just hope the MD is not the final event play in Sudirman else we might not have chance to see the true strength of MD as outcome already determine by then(quite certain China will win as WD and WS pretty such the sure points for China).
The best events arrangement would be :
1.Men's Singles
2.Mix Doubles
3.Men's Doubles
4.Women's Singles
5.Women's Doubles
Agree?

ok, here goes

taufik hidayat bt sony dwi kuncoro`15-11 15-5
(no surprises here, but i thought sony won few times against taufik)
nova/lilyana bt flandy/yunita 15-10 11-15 15-4
(see, flandy/yunita cant be that bad, at least it went to 3 sets)
markis/hendra bt candra/sigit 15-12 15-10
(WHAT!ehh, have m/h won before?)
fransisca ratnasari bt ardrianti firdasari 11-3 11-4
greysia polii/jo novita bt lita nurlita/nathalia poluakan 10-15 15-5 15-11

MS-Taufik's score wasn't a big surprise as Sony is not yet at "tip-top" shape..Hope Sony can do some more sparring before the trip to China to get back his stamina..And hopefully will be able to regain his form and possibly rest Taufik all the way to the SF..:).

XD-Wow, the score between Flandy/Yunita and Nova/Lilyana was a bit of a surprise to me, looks like they're about even...I don't know how Nova/Lilyana will do, but hopefully he and Lilyana won't get get any "stage fright" again like in recent tournaments..

MD-As for Candra/Sigit, I thought they wouldn't play as hard as they could, eventhough the score says otherwise..Both of them as well as Luluk/Alven should be ready next week..

For WS, nothing interesting..both of them need more sparring...

WD, same as WS, both pairs seem even..i think they need more training time..

Here's hoping the team will be healthy and ready to go next week..

ok, here goes

taufik hidayat bt sony dwi kuncoro`15-11 15-5
(no surprises here, but i thought sony won few times against taufik)
nova/lilyana bt flandy/yunita 15-10 11-15 15-4
(see, flandy/yunita cant be that bad, at least it went to 3 sets)
markis/hendra bt candra/sigit 15-12 15-10
(WHAT!ehh, have m/h won before?)
fransisca ratnasari bt ardrianti firdasari 11-3 11-4
greysia polii/jo novita bt lita nurlita/nathalia poluakan 10-15 15-5 15-11

Do you guys see ?
Flandy and Tetty are good in XD, so even Anggun is not in the team, Indonesia has another good XD.
I hope dat Indonesia will plays Flandy/Tetty.

ok, here goes

taufik hidayat bt sony dwi kuncoro`15-11 15-5
(no surprises here, but i thought sony won few times against taufik)
nova/lilyana bt flandy/yunita 15-10 11-15 15-4
(see, flandy/yunita cant be that bad, at least it went to 3 sets)
markis/hendra bt candra/sigit 15-12 15-10
(WHAT!ehh, have m/h won before?)
fransisca ratnasari bt ardrianti firdasari 11-3 11-4
greysia polii/jo novita bt lita nurlita/nathalia poluakan 10-15 15-5 15-11

Indonesia has changed its target for Sudirman Cup.

When Sutiyoso, PBSI chairman came in the power. He said that the short term target of his 'cabinet' was to bring back Sudirman Cup to Indonesia.

Just last month before Icuk resigned, PBSI has changed its target. Sutiyoso said that he will very happy if Indo's team can reach the final.

Last saterday, just before the simulation started, he said that we (Indo's team) would not set our slat to high. If we can go through to the final, we are very happy, but with our condition (team) right now if we just get to the semi final, we have to satisfy.

So, now the target is semi final.

Indonesia has changed its target for Sudirman Cup.

When Sutiyoso, PBSI chairman came in the power. He said that the short term target of his 'cabinet' was to bring back Sudirman Cup to Indonesia.

Just last month before Icuk resigned, PBSI has changed its target. Sutiyoso said that he will very happy if Indo's team can reach the final.

Last saterday, just before the simulation started, he said that we (Indo's team) would not set our slat to high. If we can go through to the final, we are very happy, but with our condition (team) right now if we just get to the semi final, we have to satisfy.

So, now the target is semi final.
well, thats realistic, i mean they are unlikely to pass china

Do you guys see ?
Flandy and Tetty are good in XD, so even Anggun is not in the team, Indonesia has another good XD.
I hope dat Indonesia will plays Flandy/Tetty.

Actually Flandy used to play in XD too, but it was a long time ago. He played with Minarti Timur