day 2 matches.

[kwun]

day 2 matches should've started already...

http://2005sc.163.com/special/2/0023jt/2005scliveen.html

[hcyong]

Group 2A

Netherlands v Taiwan is interesting. If Taiwan loses, then tomorrow's Malaysia v Netherlands will be the group final. If Taiwan wins, then it will be even more interesting. And I do think Taiwan is able to beat Netherlands by winning all the doubles. The key will be MD.

Malaysia v Russia should not be too hard for Malaysia. At most, Malaysia will lose in the WS (currently playing, score already 2-0 for Malaysia).

[the_way]

ella karachkova and wong mew choo 1st game was simply amazing.........some 'chinese' deceptive drop style by ella and wong's ability to retrieve every shots made this 1st game a world class standard....

wong also made a 'shot of tournament'......defensive backhand retrieving (something like mia audina style);) to outclass her opponent....

however..due to fitness problem....ella cant match wong in the 2nd game....

but all credit go for these 2 ladies;) ;)

[hcyong]

ella karachkova and wong mew choo 1st game was simply amazing.........some 'chinese' deceptive drop style by ella and wong's ability to retrieve every shots made this 1st game a world class standard....

wong also made a 'shot of tournament'......defensive backhand retrieving (something like mia audina style);) to outclass her opponent....

however..due to fitness problem....ella cant match wong in the 2nd game....

but all credit go for these 2 ladies;) ;)

Before the tournament, there was a discussion about who would win this match. From your description, it looks like both players are almost equal in terms of skill and ability.

However, in terms of stamina, Wong MC wins hands down. It was reported before that Wong MC has the best stamina among Malaysian players (including the male players).

[hcyong]

The Netherlands v Taiwan match is currently tied 2-2. Both the Dutch points come from the singles. The Taiwanese won the XD and MD.

So, we have a WD decider. Cheng/Chien v Mia/Meulendijk. The Taiwanese are the heavy favourites for a 3-2 victory.

If that is the case, Malaysia has a very high chance of topping Group 2A. Malaysia can lose 3-2 tomorrow and still top the table.

[RaymondLin]

Netherlands WD won first set

Go Taiwan!

[Jan_BE]

11-9 for the Netherlands in the second game, WD

[RaymondLin]

sorry i mean 5-4

nevermind...i got myself mixed up just ignore it :o

[hcyong]

It's a big surprise to me that the Netherlands WD won. (Netherlands won the tie 3-2.)

So, it's down to the Netherlands v Malaysia match tomorrow to decide the group winner. Netherlands have the edge in WS and WD, while for the rest, Malaysia have the edge.

[hcyong]

Next up:

Korea v England (predictions)
Lee HI v Kidd (Korea 1-0)
Lee YH v Cann (Korea 2-0; how come not Hallam?)
Ha TK/Yim BE v Clark/Blair (Korea 3-0)
Lee KW/Lee HJ v Tripp/Wright (Korea 4-0)
Lee JJ/Ra KM v Robertson/Emms (this will be very interesting, Korea 4-1)
Few chances for England; Korea may even win 5-0

Denmark v Thailand
Laybourn/Juhl v Sudket/Saralee (0-1)
Jonassen v Boonsak (1-1)
Rasmussen v Salakjit (2-1)
Eriksen/Lundgaard v Sudket/Patapol (3-1)
Harder/Schjoldager v Saralee/Sathinee (3-2)
Boonsak can steal a point, but Laybourn/Juhl may also steal a point; Thailand could take it 3-2, or Denmark 3-2 or 4-1.

Singapore v Ukraine (no problems for Singapore)

Japan v Germany
Sato v Joppien (1-0)
Hirose v Xu HW (2-0)
Masuda/Ohtsuka v Hopp/Kindervater (3-0)
Ogura/Shiota v Grether/Schenk (4-0)
Masuda/Matsuda v Hopp/Piotrowski (4-1)
Japan with clear advantage in MD and WD, but it is actually possible for Germany to take the other three (but it means both Joppien and Xu must overcome Sato and Hirose)

[*~Taufik~*]

how do they decide the order of play???

[ahtan]

Lee H I vs Kidd
1 set 15 13
2 set 9 2

[ahtan]

Lee H I vs Kidd
1 set 15 13
2 set 9 2


Lee H I won 1 game 15-13 15-4
Korea 1 Eng 0

[kwun]

Lee Yun Hwa against Cann (ENG) in singles. totally different level of mobility and shot production.

[frankcent]

Lee 11:3 Can
Lee 2:1 Can
Im using cool streaming to watch the games on my pc. :p

[kwun]

11/3 - 9/11

going into 3rd set. Lee is showing more errors in the second game. Cann was quite determined.

[w3wmfhe]

cann (eng ) 11-9 lee (korea)second set

[w3wmfhe]

Lee 11:3 Can
Lee 2:1 Can
Im using cool streaming to watch the games on my pc. :p

haha..:D u r not the only one..there r over 3500 when i loaded up coolstream

[ahtan]

Cann looks like suffering from running nose.....:(

[kwun]

Lee Yun Hwa won 3rd game 11/7

[kwun]

Lee has better court coverage and superior in racket skills. however, she tend to rally a lot and lacking in offensive. looks more like a early day Gong Zhichao. however, her problem is the accuracy. and often lacking in patience. from pure skill level point of view, the match should not be so close.

[kwun]

oh my god. that's Ye Zhaoying as the commentator.

[kwun]

next match. Ha/Yim (not Kim) vs. Blair/Clark. on paper, it won't be a slaughter but the Koreans should have a pretty easy time against the English.

[kwun]

Ha shows that he is the most experienced. he knows exactly where to move.

[seven]

Anyone noticed Kenneth Jonassen thrashed Boonsak 15-4 15-6!!! :eek:

He seems to be in a KILLER form!! :cool:

[seven]

Singapore has already won the match against Ukraine (3-0).
They might well win 5-0 unless Druzchenko/Nozdran can make it in MX...

[seven]

About Russia, I can't understand why they don't field Anastasia Russkikh in the doubles, she is world class! :confused:
Nicolaj Zuev is also greatly missing the team, I don't know if he is injured or retired?...

[kwun]

Ha may be a bit too fast and smart for his partner to handle... ;)

[kwun]

that's cool. they are showing the speed of the fastest shot after each rally. last rally was 304km/h

[seven]

Salakjit Ponsana surprisingly took the first game 11-4 against Tine Rasmussen!

[seven]

that's cool. they are showing the speed of the fastest shot after each rally. last rally was 304km/h

Cool feature! :D
They should do this more often!

[frankcent]

the commentors said 300km/h record was probably created by Fu. the first game of MD between eng and kor was so awesome.
ENG 17:15 KOR

[Netasia]

England MD won the 1st set against Korea 17-15

[kwun]

England MD won the 1st set against Korea 17-15

a few observations of the first game:

- Ha should stop screwing around and play seriously
- the English should hit more to Yim who is making tons of mistakes
- Ha can win almost rallies at will when he wants to.
- one of the English guys have a really hard smash.

[Go Gade]

that's cool. they are showing the speed of the fastest shot after each rally. last rally was 304km/h
Hi Kwun...
Where do you watch the live streaming?
-Kári.

[kwun]

Hi Kwun...
Where do you watch the live streaming?
-Kári.

thou shall always read the stickies:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=105

[seven]

Japan has won the tie against Germany (3-0 already)

Tine Rasmussen and Salakjit Ponsana are in the third game...
Denmark are already leading 2-0 so Salakjit absolutely needs to win if Thailand still want to hope...

[seven]

11-9 for Tine in the decider, Denmark wins!

[hcyong]

Denmark has beaten Thailand.

So, in Group 1A, the top two spots will be contested by Denmark and Korea (assuming Korea beat England).

In Group 1B, can't see anything other than China v Indonesia.

In Group 2A, Malaysia will contest with Netherlands.
In Group 2B, Singapore will contest with Japan.

Therefore, tomorrow, as expected, is the group final.

[weekey]

blair looks better in mens doubles than in mixed doubles.

[frankcent]

ENG 13: 15 KOR for the 2nd set. still an awesome game. Im going to sleep now.. enough for today.

[ahtan]

i face problem with my coolstreaming. No sound :( Anyone facing same problem

[seven]

15-5 in the decider for Ha/Yim, Korea wins the tie!

[FEND.]

Whee malaysia won hands down. All in straight sets too.

Now who said russia was gonna put up a fight ;)

[seven]

Whee malaysia won hands down. All in straight sets too.

Now who said russia was gonna put up a fight ;)

I said Russia were capable of putting up a fight... but this is fielding their BEST players, which they didn't do, I don't know for which reason...

Missing : Zuev, Yakusheva, Schimko, Russkikh...
The three first ones are maybe retired (??) though I think they played some matches in 2005, but Anastasia Russkikh is surely not retired as she is only 21!

[Netasia]

Denmark vs Korea tomorrow, very interesting...
wonder if CCTV is going to telecast that match...

[hcyong]

I said Russia were capable of putting up a fight... but this is fielding their BEST players, which they didn't do, I don't know for which reason...

Missing : Zuev, Yakusheva, Schimko, Russkikh...
The three first ones are maybe retired (??) though I think they played some matches in 2005, but Anastasia Russkikh is surely not retired as she is only 21!

Even if Russia were to field their best team, the greatest challenge will still be the WS, and Russia did field their best WS player.

[New_Guy04]

for ppl who can understand chinese and is watching cctv telecast right now, can u tell me if they are g2 broadcast the last mixed doubles match of korea and england? thx

[Netasia]

for ppl who can understand chinese and is watching cctv telecast right now, can u tell me if they are g2 broadcast the last mixed doubles match of korea and england? thx

don't think so...

[seven]

Even if Russia were to field their best team, the greatest challenge will still be the WS, and Russia did field their best WS player.

Russia should win XD with their best team.
WD would be very close too.
And yes they did lose WS with their best player, but this was apparently a very good match (though I didn't see it).

Anyway, judging on malaysian players performances so far, Malaysia would have won it even so for sure :)

[Bresis]

Whee malaysia won hands down. All in straight sets too.

Now who said russia was gonna put up a fight ;)

With Lee Chong Wei playing in XD too...:)

[kevin&sandy]

With Lee Chong Wei playing in XD too...:)

i saw the match between wong & Karachkova, it was very exciting in the 1st. set. too bad Karachkova made too many mistakes in the 2nd. & lost.

[other]

mm korea take the first set in XD against england

1 - 2 for korea on serve in the second set

first set ended 15-14:eek:

[FEND.]

With Lee Chong Wei playing in XD too...:)

lol. See what did I tell you, don't worry guys we're going back up :). Tomorrow WCH will play XD, I have a feeling so don't blame me if im wrong :p

[Jonno]

mm korea take the first set in XD against england

1 - 2 for korea on serve in the second set

first set ended 15-14:eek:

Wish this was on TV!!! Its the game I was looking forward to watching, and I got up early just cos I thought it would be first on, but instead its last and Eurosport aren't showing it any more :(

[other]

Wish this was on TV!!! Its the game I was looking forward to watching, and I got up early just cos I thought it would be first on, but instead its last and Eurosport aren't showing it any more :(

mmm live scoring seems to be stuck on 1-2...unless they are actually stuck on 1-2 for like 20 mins?!

also eurosport has a really bad coverage angle of the courts, mid way between the high angle on the AE cameras and standing on the ground eye level:rolleyes:

[seven]

That's a very close group!

Swizterland 2 - Estonia 2, one game all in the last match (WD)
Norway 2 - Kazakhstan 2, MD is decisive...

[seven]

Does anyone know the score in this tie, I can't seem to connect to the livescore page... :(

[seven]

Does anyone know the score in this tie, I can't seem to connect to the livescore page... :(

At last got it! 3-1 for India, WD is starting...

[seven]

That's a very close group!

Swizterland 2 - Estonia 2, one game all in the last match (WD)
Norway 2 - Kazakhstan 2, MD is decisive...

Switzerland won 3-2
Kazakhstan one game up in the decisive match...

[seven]

Switzerland won 3-2
Kazakhstan one game up in the decisive match...

that's it 3-2 for Kazakhstan, that's two defeats for Norway...

[hcpoirot]

It's a big surprise to me that the Netherlands WD won. (Netherlands won the tie 3-2.)

So, it's down to the Netherlands v Malaysia match tomorrow to decide the group winner. Netherlands have the edge in WS and WD, while for the rest, Malaysia have the edge.

hycong,

Not a suprise at all Netherlands WD won 1 points from Mia A/ Judith M. When Mia pair with Lotte, they reached top 8 in the world. They only lost to Chinese and Korean pairs. Sometimes they lost to Rikke O/ Ann Lou J.

So when Mia pair with Judith now, not a big suprise if they won againts Tai Pei. If Mia/Judith play tommorow against Malaysia WD, I bet they will win another point for the Dutch team.

[seven]

MX might well be the key to victory if we consider Malaysia takes MS and MD and Netherlands WS and WD...

Who will be fielded for this crucial match? Wong CH?

[hcpoirot]

I can't believe that England played their second team today against Korea. If they played all out like yesterday against Denmark they probably can won 1, 2 or even 3 points.

England already give up and save their best players for tommorow games against Thailand. What a let down attitude. They don't believe in themselves that they can compete with Korea (at least the coach) and they just happy not being kick out from group 1 result. How can England be a big badminton country if they had this kind of attitude.

Look at Thailand. When they play against Denmark, they played their best players although they know their chances are not very big against the Danish. But they play all out no matter they lost to Denmark finally. And with the same players they will face England tomorrow. Bravo for the Thais.

[the_way]

Wat is netherland's strategy tomorrow?

mia playing mixed and women double...yao jie playing single?

mia playing single...mia and yao jie playing women double?

or mia play single, mixed and WD?????...if this works and she wins all the game....i think she will become a super legend in badminton......:cool: :cool: :cool: and deserve something better than olympic gold medal:cool: :cool: :cool: ..hahhahahahah

[hcpoirot]

Result tonight:

China VS Hong Kong : 5-0
Bao Chun Lai had to play 3 sets against Agus Hariyanto. Hmmm...

Indonesia : Sweden : 4-1

OMG! :eek: Again Indonesia lost one point from WS. I can understand the WS lost to Wang Chn. But lost to Sweden WS, I am speechless. Even Hendrawan can't coach the better WS. From all the eight group 1, Indonesia probably had the weakest WS.

In WD, Indonesia won with 15-13, 15-12. And they won against Sweden players who one already play XD and one already play WS. Dissapointing!

And tommorow Indonesia will meet China. No matter what WS and WD they chose, they never can won against the Chinese ladies.

That mean, INdonesia WS will lost 3 times in a row, and the WD only won against Hong Kong and Sweden with tight scores. So when they played in SF, even if Indonesia meet Denmark, I really believe we already lost 2 points from WS and WD.

Let see, Tine R already won 2 times against England and Thai. She already had lot of confidence. Indonesia WS? None of them ever won a point. Whoever chosed to play WS, she will had a ton of stressful pressure.

WD just the same.

So we can only hope from MS, MD and XD to got 3 points when Indonesia only had 50:50 chance against Denmark in this point.

With Korea, we had a better chance 1 point from MS.

[hcpoirot]

Wat is netherland's strategy tomorrow?

mia playing mixed and women double...yao jie playing single?

mia playing single...mia and yao jie playing women double?

or mia play single, mixed and WD?????...if this works and she wins all the game....i think she will become a super legend in badminton......:cool: :cool: :cool: and deserve something better than olympic gold medal:cool: :cool: :cool: ..hahhahahahah

With Mia lost in XD today, probably Mia play WS and WD tommorow. Yao Jie or Judith will play the XD. The problem is without Chris Bruil, Netherland didn't had a good male player in XD. Probably Dicky P should play XD tommorow.:D

[J_M_V]

Finland lost to Poland 4 - 1 :( , which was no surprise though. But watch out for our number 1 player, Ville Lång! He is only 20, has very good skills and most importantly he has the rare ability of doing his best in tight games.

[hcyong]

With Mia lost in XD today, probably Mia play WS and WD tommorow. Yao Jie or Judith will play the XD. The problem is without Chris Bruil, Netherland didn't had a good male player in XD. Probably Dicky P should play XD tommorow.:D

With Mia and Yao Jie around (and to a lesser extend, Dicky), it will not be easy for a team like Malaysia to beat them. But at least, the Malaysia today has a chance, and will even be slight favourites (I think). Malaysia of two years ago has no chance.

[Jonno]

I can't believe that England played their second team today against Korea. If they played all out like yesterday against Denmark they probably can won 1, 2 or even 3 points.

England already give up and save their best players for tommorow games against Thailand. What a let down attitude. They don't believe in themselves that they can compete with Korea (at least the coach) and they just happy not being kick out from group 1 result. How can England be a big badminton country if they had this kind of attitude.

Look at Thailand. When they play against Denmark, they played their best players although they know their chances are not very big against the Danish. But they play all out no matter they lost to Denmark finally. And with the same players they will face England tomorrow. Bravo for the Thais.

Not sure that it was the second team really. MS and WD are expected losses, no matter who England fielded it would have been a surprise to win those.

For WS, Liz Cann has beaten Tracey Hallam about the last 3 times they've played, including the national final in February. Also Hallam lost yesterday to a player Cann has beaten before. MD was maybe a choice to rest Nathan Robertson because he's played lots of games already, and Robertson and Emms are obviously the best mixed pair.

Three of the games were close, and went to three sets, so maybe it could have been a different result on another day!

[FlamingJam]

I can't believe that England played their second team today against Korea. If they played all out like yesterday against Denmark they probably can won 1, 2 or even 3 points.

England already give up and save their best players for tommorow games against Thailand. What a let down attitude. They don't believe in themselves that they can compete with Korea (at least the coach) and they just happy not being kick out from group 1 result. How can England be a big badminton country if they had this kind of attitude.

Look at Thailand. When they play against Denmark, they played their best players although they know their chances are not very big against the Danish. But they play all out no matter they lost to Denmark finally. And with the same players they will face England tomorrow. Bravo for the Thais.


2nd team ?? proberly not . ghaffs got a wake up call yesterday and so kidd may as well been used as he might tomorrow. Cann as has been said can beat hallam and has beaten some good players often suprisingly in team tournaments. Blair is one of the top doubles players and clark is the no.3. Robertson and Emms are the number 1 and playing, Nathans rested slightly becuase of recent injuries he had could havv written him out the tournament altogether. (KDM being rested isnt he?)
So stop yr moaning and are we a BIG badminton country i thk not theres little interest or respect for the sport in the general population tbh to many is a garden or reacational sport only

[wirre]

I can't believe that England played their second team today against Korea. If they played all out like yesterday against Denmark they probably can won 1, 2 or even 3 points.


As already pointed out by our british friends, England didn't really played any "second team". Sure Gaffar might be a threat to anyone when *in form*. However it looks like the coach wasn't satisfied with what he saw the previous day and gave Kidd a try to stir the pot. Jonno has thoroughly analysed the selection for WS to show that it was more a matter of rolling the dice to chose and for the XD they played their best card, one can argue they sacrified the MD but IMO that was the correct coaching. That way they would have a fair chance to win the XD, instead of two minor chances to scrap a point in MD or XD.

Personally I am really happy that Ra shows that it takes a little bit more to really *BE* the world no1. On paper Robertson/Emms might be at the top of the ranking at the moment, but in reality, on the court, they will never be even close to what KDM/Ra was capable to do.

/ mats

[wirre]

Talking about "second team", anyone know why Sweden were playing a second team against Indo? Not that it would matter which team they played in that match, the result was as good as they could realisticly hope for.

Do they concentrate on trying to upset England or do they have any injuries?

Why did Heimirsson play the MS, and why did Hansson play the MD. IMO neither of them would be even third or forth choice as substitutions.

Mag are you there, got any information?

/mats

[New_Guy04]

I can't believe that England played their second team today against Korea. If they played all out like yesterday against Denmark they probably can won 1, 2 or even 3 points.


No way england can score that many points, because Korea already secured the MS WD and MD. However, you can't just say England put their second team, because Korea also played THEIR second team against England also.... really, if KDM/HA and KDM/RA was playing instead of Yim/HA and Lee/ra that day, i doubt England would have even had a chance to go to the rubber games... WS, yes, England put their second team (CANN), but Korea put Lee Yun Hwa, who is not even the SECOND best player, but third (Jun and Seo, although Jun is injured).

[kwun]

it is normal for team to not field their best players in group matches.

that way, coaches can sense the form of their players by fielding them. they can use that information to adjust their lineup when semi-final time comes. China seems to have done that with their group matches, fielding both Lin Dan and Bao, Zhang/Gao and Chen/Zhao, Yang/Zhang and Huang/Gao. furthermore, it minimize court time and maximize fitness.

[FEND.]

it is normal for team to not field their best players in group matches.

that way, coaches can sense the form of their players by fielding them. they can use that information to adjust their lineup when semi-final time comes. China seems to have done that with their group matches, fielding both Lin Dan and Bao, Zhang/Gao and Chen/Zhao, Yang/Zhang and Huang/Gao. furthermore, it minimize court time and maximize fitness.

They can afford to.. I mean come on their squad is the biggest one there is. All first team players so to speak... no benchwarmers :p

[Sandy]

Result tonight:

China VS Hong Kong : 5-0
Bao Chun Lai had to play 3 sets against Agus Hariyanto. Hmmm...

Indonesia : Sweden : 4-1

OMG! :eek: Again Indonesia lost one point from WS. I can understand the WS lost to Wang Chn. But lost to Sweden WS, I am speechless. Even Hendrawan can't coach the better WS. From all the eight group 1, Indonesia probably had the weakest WS.

In WD, Indonesia won with 15-13, 15-12. And they won against Sweden players who one already play XD and one already play WS. Dissapointing!

And tommorow Indonesia will meet China. No matter what WS and WD they chose, they never can won against the Chinese ladies.

That mean, INdonesia WS will lost 3 times in a row, and the WD only won against Hong Kong and Sweden with tight scores. So when they played in SF, even if Indonesia meet Denmark, I really believe we already lost 2 points from WS and WD.

Let see, Tine R already won 2 times against England and Thai. She already had lot of confidence. Indonesia WS? None of them ever won a point. Whoever chosed to play WS, she will had a ton of stressful pressure.

WD just the same.

So we can only hope from MS, MD and XD to got 3 points when Indonesia only had 50:50 chance against Denmark in this point.

With Korea, we had a better chance 1 point from MS.

I wonder what Hendrawan think, he didn't have experiance in WS coaching and he have good idealism as Badminton player, he shouldn't took over this postion.

When Ivana Lie as WS Coach, Silvi Amtarini, Maria Kristin, Firdasari & Fransisca have good progress, but since Hendrawan worse , worse and worse.

Remember in Sudirman Cup 2 years ago WS & WD helped INA Team for degradation when INA beat ENG 3-2. MX & MD lost MS, WS (Maria Kristin), WD (Jo Novita/Lita Nurlita) win.

[seven]

it is normal for team to not field their best players in group matches.

that way, coaches can sense the form of their players by fielding them. they can use that information to adjust their lineup when semi-final time comes. China seems to have done that with their group matches, fielding both Lin Dan and Bao, Zhang/Gao and Chen/Zhao, Yang/Zhang and Huang/Gao. furthermore, it minimize court time and maximize fitness.

They also field all the players so they all get world ranking points from the Sudirman Cup, so that all the top players can improve their world ranking before the world champs... (look at Malaysia fielding all three Lee CW, Hafiz and Wong CH in MS)