Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D

Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D

I'm still waiting for the Armortec record of 364 km / hr to be broken :p

I'm still waiting for the Armortec record of 364 km / hr to be broken :p

What record???

As far as I know that number was taken from the marketing brochure by yonex, not an offically measured record in public as far as i know ?!?

If you have other info please refer to where this record has been officially set..

/Twobeer

But will they actually update the record books? Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D

What record???

As far as I know that number was taken from the marketing brochure by yonex, not an offically measured record in public as far as i know ?!?

If you have other info please refer to where this record has been officially set..

/Twobeer

the speed number in yonex brochure is generated by a machine so it dont count as a record. A machine can generate almost any speed. Yonex never claimed as a record.

Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D
any link or documentation?

I wish stupid Guiness book of records would put Badminton onto a page of it's own instead of under "Racquet Sports" heading. Then they should put a gigantic pic of Fu Haifeng.

LEFTY4LIFE WOO!

It's over 200mph. :eek: :eek: Just cursious, do you know if his opponents could return that particular smash?

Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D

did they record the speed?

Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D

Not bad at all!!! :D

So does this mean Fu Haifeng has the hardest smash on the pro circuit or will this record be beaten again before the end of the Sudirman Cup?... :)

any link or documentation?

You can read about it here:
worldbadminton.net (http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=10&ItemID=1780)

Fastest smash by a singles player so far is 298 km/h set by Kenneth Jonassen.
How come I'm not surprised :D

Fastest smash by a singles player so far is 298 km/h set by Kenneth Jonassen.
How come I'm not surprised :D

Interesting to note that it is a "defensive" player who has the hardest smash!
However, Chen Hong has not yet played and his smash is maybe even harder... :rolleyes:

Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D

I don't see 336 kph anywhere, just a mere 332 kph :p ;)

The problem with comparing speeds from different events and times, is that we don't know what exactly is being measured.

Is it the speed:
at the instant the shuttle leaves the racquet
average speed from racquet to x metres
average speed from racquet to net
average speed from racquet to destination

I'm not trying to deny that people have faster smashes than Archer, but I expect that if Archer was there now at the Sudirman, he would probably beat his own "record" too.

If you read worldbadminton.net article, you will see the speed measures have been done by an independant company which also measures cricket and tennis.
I don't see any reason to question the validity of these measures...

I don't see any reason to question the validity of these measures...
I'm not. .

did they record the speed?

If china played in the court 4, yes but in an other court i don't think so =)

The problem with comparing speeds from different events and times, is that we don't know what exactly is being measured.

Is it the speed:
at the instant the shuttle leaves the racquet
average speed from racquet to x metres
average speed from racquet to net
average speed from racquet to destination

I'm not trying to deny that people have faster smashes than Archer, but I expect that if Archer was there now at the Sudirman, he would probably beat his own "record" too.

I heard raphael sachetat said that several times lol the shuttle is measured at the instant the shuttle leaves the racquet =)

I wish stupid Guiness book of records would put Badminton onto a page of it's own instead of under "Racquet Sports" heading. Then they should put a gigantic pic of Fu Haifeng.

LEFTY4LIFE WOO!

I saw in the french version a badminton category LoL

Talking about world record, maybe some of you know who made the shortest match ?? .. IT'S RA KYUNG MIN !! LoL she beat julia mann ( if i remember ) in 6 or 4 min .. :D :p

finally - it's been ages since we got some new stats on smashes, hopefully we'll get a full report on how hard people hit it. no doubt people could hit it harder than arch now with all his injuries. I'd like to see Robert Blair and Jens Eriksens and Jonas' smashes - reckon they're pretty huge, and coming down from such a steep angle too. tennis serves look pitiful by comparison :)

finally - it's been ages since we got some new stats on smashes, hopefully we'll get a full report on how hard people hit it. no doubt people could hit it harder than arch now with all his injuries. I'd like to see Robert Blair and Jens Eriksens and Jonas' smashes - reckon they're pretty huge, and coming down from such a steep angle too. tennis serves look pitiful by comparison :)}

Damn straight!!! Plus we don't get one bounce to wait for it :p

Personally, I'm proud to see that Huang Sui's smash is harder than Andy Roddick's serve! I'm also glad they're doing this, it should be an incredible boost for TV audiences.

Don't forget that no matter how hard the smash is, the shuttle normally only travels at about 30-50 km/h when it reaches the opponent. Not so for tennis. ;)

Personally, I'm proud to see that Huang Sui's smash is harder than Andy Roddick's serve! I'm also glad they're doing this, it should be an incredible boost for TV audiences.
I wish Jet Li said that on TV - :D

lol - it needs to travel that fast to make the players run around - otherwise it'd be a walkabout on a court that big and a bounce, they should change the rules in tennis and not allow them a bounce apart from on the serve..

it'd make things really interesting :D

oops.. i'm getting all tennis ranty again. no offence intended..

surely those baseline rallys don't actually travel that fast? especially once they've bounced..

plus, altho the average is lower for badminton, i bet the extremes are a lot bigger, and it's acually more of the extreme ends of the speed that have to be dealt with..


okay - i promise to rant no more. sorry if i offended any tennis players..

Neil

Don't forget that no matter how hard the smash is, the shuttle normally only travels at about 30-50 km/h when it reaches the opponent. Not so for tennis. ;)
While i too feel that 332kmph is way too much speed ,when it reaches the opponent[i reckon it's the speed the instant the racket hits the shuttle],30-50 kmph is way too slow 125-200 on an average is more like it.

Hi Folks,
the measurement of the speed was already done some years agp (It was 2001) at the Swiss open at en extra court (not during the game). The fastest was Jim Laugesen with 364km/h so Fu is not breaking the record. at all. The measurement was:
Speedmeasurement of the Shuttle during the first 5 Milliseconds after a Smash.
I attached the list I downloaded at that time
Bye
Toastie

Here's the list as text. The important is the last number it's in km/h.

Schlussrangliste / Final Ranking
Geschwindigkeitsmessung Smashes während ersten 5 Milisekunden.
Speedmeasurement of the Shuttle during the first 5 Milliseconds after a Smash.
Damen / Ladies
Rang Name
Dist(mm)
m/s
km/h
1. H. Kirkegaard 126.0 93.7 337.2
2. P. Hong Yan 117.5 87.4 314.5
3. S. Yamada 114.0 84.8 305.1
4. P. Hong Yan 101.5 75.5 271.7

Herren / Men
Rang Name
Dist(mm)
m/s
km/h
1. J. Laugesen 136.0 101.1 364.0
2. Y. Nakanishi 130.0 96.7 348.0
3. Lee Tsunfn Seng 124.0 92.2 331.9
4. Tam Kai Chuen 120.0 89.2 321.2
5. Kwan Yoke Meng 119.5 88.8 319.9
6. Y. Nakanishi 119.0 88.5 318.5
7. T. Aokj (Japan) 119.0 88.5 318.5
8. S. Sato 118.5 88.1 317.2
9. Jens Eriksen 118.0 87.7 315.8
10. Yoo Yong Sung (Korea) 117.5 87.4 314.5
11. Y. Nakanishi (Japan) 117.0 87.0 313.2
12. Richard Yaughan 115.5 85.9 309.1
13. SAMAN Ismail 114.0 84.8 305.1
14. Ohtsuka Shinya 113.0 84.0 302.5
15. Misbun Sidek 113.0 84.0 302.5
16. Möller Madsen 106.5 79.2 285.1
17. Ng Kean Kok 106.0 78.8 283.7
18. Hong Cheng Hun 105.5 78.4 282.4
19. Ng Wie 104.0 77.3 278.4
20. Hashim Hafiz Malaysia 96.0 71.4 257.0

Who is Y. Nakanishi? And Helene Kirkegaard WOW!!!



Hi Folks,
the measurement of the speed was already done some years agp (It was 2001) at the Swiss open at en extra court (not during the game). The fastest was Jim Laugesen with 364km/h so Fu is not breaking the record. at all. The measurement was:
Speedmeasurement of the Shuttle during the first 5 Milliseconds after a Smash.
I attached the list I downloaded at that time
Bye
Toastie

Here's the list as text. The important is the last number it's in km/h.

Schlussrangliste / Final Ranking
Geschwindigkeitsmessung Smashes während ersten 5 Milisekunden.
Speedmeasurement of the Shuttle during the first 5 Milliseconds after a Smash.
Damen / Ladies
Rang Name
Dist(mm)
m/s
km/h
1. H. Kirkegaard 126.0 93.7 337.2
2. P. Hong Yan 117.5 87.4 314.5
3. S. Yamada 114.0 84.8 305.1
4. P. Hong Yan 101.5 75.5 271.7

Herren / Men
Rang Name
Dist(mm)
m/s
km/h
1. J. Laugesen 136.0 101.1 364.0
2. Y. Nakanishi 130.0 96.7 348.0
3. Lee Tsunfn Seng 124.0 92.2 331.9
4. Tam Kai Chuen 120.0 89.2 321.2
5. Kwan Yoke Meng 119.5 88.8 319.9
6. Y. Nakanishi 119.0 88.5 318.5
7. T. Aokj (Japan) 119.0 88.5 318.5
8. S. Sato 118.5 88.1 317.2
9. Jens Eriksen 118.0 87.7 315.8
10. Yoo Yong Sung (Korea) 117.5 87.4 314.5
11. Y. Nakanishi (Japan) 117.0 87.0 313.2
12. Richard Yaughan 115.5 85.9 309.1
13. SAMAN Ismail 114.0 84.8 305.1
14. Ohtsuka Shinya 113.0 84.0 302.5
15. Misbun Sidek 113.0 84.0 302.5
16. Möller Madsen 106.5 79.2 285.1
17. Ng Kean Kok 106.0 78.8 283.7
18. Hong Cheng Hun 105.5 78.4 282.4
19. Ng Wie 104.0 77.3 278.4
20. Hashim Hafiz Malaysia 96.0 71.4 257.0

Big Jim rulez !
http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9674

The results are not comparable at all.

The Sudirman Cup measurements are made by some "microwave" technique (according to worldbadminton.net), and performed during actual matches.

I think the Swiss Open measurements were made with a high-speed camera, on a specially set-up court. In other words, all the players were there with the only purpose of smashing as hard as they could.

While i too feel that 332kmph is way too much speed ,when it reaches the opponent[i reckon it's the speed the instant the racket hits the shuttle],30-50 kmph is way too slow 125-200 on an average is more like it.

Well, I am afraid that you are quite wrong. This has been measured. The negative acceleration (decceleration?) of a badminton shuttle is drastic. Read more in this thread (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2984).

Shuttle decceleration (http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2984)

doh! you beat me to it

Putting in my $0.02, IMHO, the more important measurement is how much time does a player have time to react to defend/react to a smash. From the thread explaining a shuttle decceleration rate, it appears that at the top level a player has little more than 0.2 of a second to react. That means 0.2 second to judge that it is indeed a smash, its trajectory and physically react to intercept it. It would be interesting, I think, to compare it to the reaction time given to a tennis player, cricket batsman, baseball hitter, etc.

But the shot is read by the receiver long before that.

Putting in my $0.02, IMHO, the more important measurement is how much time does a player have time to react to defend/react to a smash. From the thread explaining a shuttle decceleration rate, it appears that at the top level a player has little more than 0.2 of a second to react. That means 0.2 second to judge that it is indeed a smash, its trajectory and physically react to intercept it. It would be interesting, I think, to compare it to the reaction time given to a tennis player, cricket batsman, baseball hitter, etc.

which is exactly why any lady who plays mixed is quite justified in beating her partner to death when he lifts it needlessly..

Putting in my $0.02, IMHO, the more important measurement is how much time does a player have time to react to defend/react to a smash. From the thread explaining a shuttle decceleration rate, it appears that at the top level a player has little more than 0.2 of a second to react. That means 0.2 second to judge that it is indeed a smash, its trajectory and physically react to intercept it. It would be interesting, I think, to compare it to the reaction time given to a tennis player, cricket batsman, baseball hitter, etc.

In this case, you must also compare the variety of possible trajectories in these different sports.

But as Mag said, the shot is read by receiver before it is actually produced.
This is why players with an atypical style can be so difficult to play against... (more difficult to read the shot they are going to produce)

But the shot is read by the receiver long before that.

I guess I don't understand? At top level badminton, surely it isn't always possible to read your opponent's shot before s/he hits it? For instance, I've seen quite often when a player jumps as if he's going to do a smash until the very last moment when he either hits a dropshot or a punch clear. And even if s/he knows a smash is coming to a reasonable degree of certainty, s/he won't know where it's coming to until it's hit?

IMHO, this is no different than cricket, tennis, baseball, etc. In fact, I think, badminton players are at a slight disadvantage because they don't know *for absolutely sure* that a smash is coming until it's hit. A tennis player knows a serve is coming. A cricket batsman or a baseball hitter knows a bowl or a pitch is coming. The big questions are where and whether they should hit it. Well, if they play at the top level, they also have to decide where they should hit it to.

In this case, you must also compare the variety of possible trajectories in these different sports.

Indeed. I was going to mention an additional factor of complexity that exists in tennis and cricket amongst others, but not in badminton, in that players and batsmen have to deal with ball bounces. But, since we were talking about pure smash speed, I assumed that the closer comparison would be a flat serve in tennis or a fast bowl in cricket where the ball bounce plays less of a factor.

But as Mag said, the shot is read by receiver before it is actually produced.
This is why players with an atypical style can be so difficult to play against... (more difficult to read the shot they are going to produce)

But, aren't most top players have pretty much atypical style anyway? :) It's true that a player can anticipate a shot based on her/his experience, scouting reports, etc.; but, I think it'd be quite unwise for her/him to preemptorily react strictly based on her/his anticipation.

Again, just my $0.02.

The results are comparable as long as it is just "the speed of the shuttle".
The way of measuring is different, as it's once in-game and once off-game (you remember correctly).
And maybe, the new record was measured with like 10 ms instead of 5ms, as in the Swiss Open.
But if we start a new record for every possible way to hit (and measure) a shuttle,...
MFG
Toastie


The results are not comparable at all.

The Sudirman Cup measurements are made by some "microwave" technique (according to worldbadminton.net), and performed during actual matches.

I think the Swiss Open measurements were made with a high-speed camera, on a specially set-up court. In other words, all the players were there with the only purpose of smashing as hard as they could.

High-level badminton (and other sports) is always a competition between anticipation (reveiver) and deception (hitter).

It is completely impossible to play without any anticipation, the game is much too fast.
Players study their opponents style, tactics and habits before each match...

So with the shuttle deceleration as Mag mentioned ;does the argument shift to 'Is badminton the world's fastest racket sport?'[tell me quick yes or no]

if the shuttle decelerates that much for fu's smash then it must be decelerating at more that 100km/miliseconds, thats pretty quick so how can it be true.

if he hits it at 336kmph and it hits the floor at 30-40km/h then it has slowed by 300km/h in bout 0.2-0.3 seconds,that 100km/milisecond so how can it reduce so much?!don't think it is possible.

so a deceleration of 300km/h in about 30ft. that means the shuttle slows down 30km/h in a foot!

i need an explanation!

i also think chen hong has a 200mph smash in his armoury, i've seen him live and jonassen live and chen hits it a lot of harder than jonassen.

So with the shuttle deceleration as Mag mentioned ;does the argument shift to 'Is badminton the world's fastest racket sport?'[tell me quick yes or no]
yeah but no but yeah but....

how about which racquet sport has the shortest average time between each player having to play a shot...

High-level badminton (and other sports) is always a competition between anticipation (receiver) and deception (hitter).

It is completely impossible to play without any anticipation, the game is much too fast.
Players study their opponents style, tactics and habits before each match...

I agree. But, the player still needs to judge the speed, direction/angle of the smash and react to it all in that 0.2 second. In case of world-class players, most probably also where to place the return. That's awfully quick, IMHO. And, again, I'd be interested to know how it compares to reaction times in other sports.

yeah but no but yeah but....

how about which racquet sport has the shortest average time between each player having to play a shot...

That's what I think too. IOW, the "fastest racquet sport" term is slightly misleading. IMHO, it more refers to the overall pace of the game rather than simply the speed of the shuttle. Although, as the latest measurements show, the shuttle does travel at a considerable speed too, if only for a split second. Combine that with the sizes of the court, the shuttle and the racquet, and the three dimensional aspect of the game, I think badminton absolutely deserves the title "the fastest racquet sport."

Personally, I'm proud to see that Huang Sui's smash is harder than Andy Roddick's serve! I'm also glad they're doing this, it should be an incredible boost for TV audiences.

Well.. I think its faster.. But harder???? Probably not :p

/Twobeer

But the shot is read by the receiver long before that.

but u forgot about deception :o
If only i can read striker's shots all the time :o

So with the shuttle deceleration as Mag mentioned ;does the argument shift to 'Is badminton the world's fastest racket sport?'[tell me quick yes or no]

yes :cool:

/Twobeer

That's what I think too. IOW, the "fastest racquet sport" term is slightly misleading. IMHO, it more refers to the overall pace of the game rather than simply the speed of the shuttle. Although, as the latest measurements show, the shuttle does travel at a considerable speed too, if only for a split second. Combine that with the sizes of the court, the shuttle and the racquet, and the three dimensional aspect of the game, I think badminton absolutely deserves the title "the fastest racquet sport."

yes, fast should be referenced to the player's reaction, not the absolute speed of the ball or other projectile.

eg. a missile is even faster but it can be shot down
Hunting is a sport, does it make it the world fastest sport?
(to a hunter no, to a bird or hunted animal, yes :D )

tennis vs badminton
just go watch some Tennis Doubles and you'll find how 'slow' it is compare to badminton doubles.

if the shuttle decelerates that much for fu's smash then it must be decelerating at more that 100km/miliseconds, thats pretty quick so how can it be true.
if he hits it at 336kmph and it hits the floor at 30-40km/h then it has slowed by 300km/h in bout 0.2-0.3 seconds,that 100km/milisecond so how can it reduce so much?!don't think it is possible.
so a deceleration of 300km/h in about 30ft. that means the shuttle slows down 30km/h in a foot!
i need an explanation!
i also think chen hong has a 200mph smash in his armoury, i've seen him live and jonassen live and chen hits it a lot of harder than jonassen.

I think you have a valid point.. the thread about the smash hitting the floor at 40km/h was made in the 70's and it was said it was hit from the baseline. But important facts like the angle of the smash and speed of the shuttle is lacking to draw any major conclusions from that numbers i think (if that isn't publicised elswere).. If the angle is really flat (imagine a smash from the baseline hitting the opposite baseline (or even going out) would most probably have rather low speed hitting the floor than a steeper smash ;-)..

At least to me it's obvious that a smash on a short lift hits the floor on the oposite side at a repectable speed (=more than 40km/h) ;-D

my 2 cents.

/Twobeer

I think you have a valid point.. the thread about the smash hitting the floor at 40km/h was made in the 70's and it was said it was hit from the baseline. But important facts like the angle of the smash and speed of the shuttle is lacking to draw any major conclusions from that numbers i think (if that isn't publicised elswere).. If the angle is really flat (imagine a smash from the baseline hitting the opposite baseline (or even going out) would most probably have rather low speed hitting the floor than a steeper smash ;-)..

At least to me it's obvious that a smash on a short lift hits the floor on the oposite side at a repectable speed (=more than 40km/h) ;-D

my 2 cents.

/Twobeer

i defo agree with this. i mean - did the 70's guy jumpsmash? i'd imagine that would make quite a difference - i'm sure fu's smash was no where near the baseline, and a jumpsmash at that. both of these would dramatically affect the distance the shuttle has to travel, which ultimately affects the amount the shuttle slows before it hits the floor. i mean - if you jumpsmashed from the service line there is a fair chance the shuttle would hit the floor at about 200 - 250 km/h

my tuppence worth :)

TheStar

BEIJING: Badminton can firmly stake its claim to be the world's fastest racquet sport with smashes reaching speeds of up to 332kph (207mph) so far in testing during the Sudirman Cup world mixed team championships here.

The International Badminton Federation (IBF) are conducting speed trials for the first time at one of their major events with microwave sensors recording the speed of smashes on the main court.

Chinese doubles star Fu Haifeng has clocked the fastest smash of 332kph so far while world number two Kenneth Jonassen of Denmark has recorded the fastest smash for a singles player at 298kph (185mph).

And with women's doubles shuttler Huang Sui hitting at 257kph (160mph), tennis star Andy Roddicks world-record serve of 246kph (153mph) is some way off of badminton's blistering pace.

The equipment is currently only able to record speeds of up to around 350kph (217mph) and today's star shuttlers are already pushing the limits. – AFP

Today Fu haifeng broke simon archer's smash record with a 336 km/h smash !!! i guess this not surprise some of you LooL :D


yes,as mentioned in another thread ,in the all england against the danes....noticed their ((fu/cai) speed was unearthly :eek:

yes..sometimes when watching tennis...it does look like slow motion :D

And with women's doubles shuttler Huang Sui hitting at 257kph (160mph)

According to the report in worldbadminton.net, Simon Archer's old record was 260kph. Only a difference of 3kph. :eek: :eek: :eek:

if the max speed for the microwave detector is 350km/h, where is the 364km/h of Yonex armortec from?

and, if Fu Haifeng smashes at 332km/h, does a max speed of 364km/h for armortec have any meaning to most of us?

if the max speed for the microwave detector is 350km/h, where is the 364km/h of Yonex armortec from?

and, if Fu Haifeng smashes at 332km/h, does a max speed of 364km/h for armortec have any meaning to most of us?

The funny part is Fu is not even using AT's, he and Cai uses Ti-10. I wonder where they took that also...

I forwarded the artcile from Worldbadminton.net onto BAdminton Australia and got this response:

Hi Stuart

Thanks – you may be interested to know that Alex Loccisano is the software developer and works in Melbourne – he has been using our squad training to test out the radar gun and software over the past few months and is up there in Beijing doing what you have reported on.

He is also developing some onscreen graphics for future use to make the sport more accessible to a television audience.

Cheers

Stuart Borrie
National Executive Director
Badminton Australia
15/8 Techno Park Drive
Williamstown VIC 3141
www.badminton.org.au

if the max speed for the microwave detector is 350km/h, where is the 364km/h of Yonex armortec from?

and, if Fu Haifeng smashes at 332km/h, does a max speed of 364km/h for armortec have any meaning to most of us?

it is just my guess (guessing yonex's marketing mind), since the fastest documented speed was by Jim Laugesen at 364km/h, yonex probably used this speed as reference.

if u read yonex brochure, they showed photo frames. They dont use radar or microwave methods. However, MV is much more conveniene to use, great for tv as results in almost instanteous. It would wow the crowd if the MV meter blinks repeatedly with 350 km/hr, overloading the MV machine LOL

I forwarded the artcile from Worldbadminton.net onto BAdminton Australia and got this response:

Hi Stuart

Thanks – you may be interested to know that Alex Loccisano is the software developer and works in Melbourne – he has been using our squad training to test out the radar gun and software over the past few months and is up there in Beijing doing what you have reported on.

He is also developing some onscreen graphics for future use to make the sport more accessible to a television audience.

Cheers

Stuart Borrie
National Executive Director
Badminton Australia
15/8 Techno Park Drive
Williamstown VIC 3141
www.badminton.org.au (http://www.badminton.org.au)

Interesting to learn they are working on making the sport more accessible to television audience.
I'm really looking forward to watching live badminton with cool "on-screen graphics" and all!! :):cool:

i think the point Neil Nicholls (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=776) vbmenu_register("postmenu_242796", true); brought up is valid. he is not questioning the expertise. he is merely curious hence i see a reason for him to ask. i wanted to ask that question too :)

badminton is obviously the worlds fastest racket sport. tennis isn't as most shots don't reach the opponent for a while whereas badminton can play 2 or 3 shots in the time for tennis's one shot.

badminton smash-207mph

tennis serve-153mph

i think that says it all. in a typical rally roddick hits 100mph forehand shots but in badminton a smash is like a roddick forehand so a badminton smash on a forehand is over twice the speed roddick hits his normal shots at.

in my on opinion badminton is definately the fastest racket sport, no doubt about it!

watch tennis and squash and then badminton and you will see a big difference in speed of movement and shot production.

Just found this: http://www.napa.ufl.edu/98news/baseball.htm, amongst others.

So, ~0.48 second to react to a 90mph fastball. (Actually quite a bit less because by the end of that 0.48 second, it'd be too late to react to it.)

Trying to find some sources on tennis.

This is one I found in my brief search. You may have to register to read it, though if you search for it on Google, you can read the cached version.

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_columns/article/0,1874,ABIL_8777_3047358,00.html (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_columns/article/0,1874,ABIL_8777_3047358,00.html)

So, also about 0.5 second. But, tennis racquets are more unwieldy to manoeuvre compared to badminton racquets, so that'd cut quite a bit into that 0.5 second. Then again, tennis players have the luxury of *not* having to judge for themselves whether a serve is in or out before they hit it. At the top level, anyway. Badminton players don't have such a luxury.

In the end, I think reaction times in various sports played at the top level push the limit of human ability. Because, otherwise, badminton players can just switch to tennis and clean house. :)

BTW, I don't believe anyone's mentioned it, was Fu's smash a winner or not? I'd imagine at 332kmh that it's a clear winner (i.e., hit the floor without either opposing players touching it).

LOL if the shuttle got returned, that would make the world's fastest smash return.

Funny to see my coach up there as having one of the fastest smashes in the Swiss Open.

BTW, the smash speed comes up regularly on the TV screen. I think it makes great viewing. We need a few more stats on the TV on a regular basis, apart from the score.

The speed testing done in Beijing in the Sudirman cup,has left many of them shocked.Shuttles were recorded in general over 200kmph,while the fastest smash recoreded a whopping 332kmph.Some of us have always believed that badminton is the fastest racket sport,while others who were pessimistic about this are beginning to believe.Ok,so badminton is fast but is it the fastest;faster than tennis??The debate had aldready begun after the speed trials.Some of them in the 'new world record ' thread had talked about the shuttle deceleration etc.
Well this should close all arguments.The International Olympic Committe[IOC] itself says that badminton is the world's fastest racket sport,and when the governing body for the Olympics says it, i doubt there should be room for any debate.[One more thing,'fastest' should not be considered only for the shuttle speed ,it also includes movement of the players.badminton players have to cover a lot of ground in short interval of time]
http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/programme/index_uk.asp?SportCode=BD

All said and done, We know now for sure that Badminton is the world's fastest racket sport and i guess it's only a matter of time before the whole world does;)

An interesting finding on the speed and speed-loss of various shots in tennis.

http://www.advancedtennis.com ("Results to Date" > "Speed MPH" / "Speed Loss %")

For instance, about 55% for a serve by the time it gets to the receiver. So, a 120MPH (192KMH) serve as it leaves the racquet slows down to 87MPH (~139KMH) pre-bounce, to 62MPH (~99KMH) post-bounce and to 54MPH (~86KMH) by the time the receiver returns it.

Someone ought to do a similar study for badminton. I know about the study done back in the 70's, but that was over 30 years ago and done in a lab situation. We should do it again now with all the advances in equipments and training, and we should do it in a real match situation. I think we'd see some interesting results.

One other statistic I'd like to see, as someone's mentioned it, is the average time between shots. Both in singles and doubles. I think we'd be surprised there, especially for top-level doubles.

The difference is that for tennis, the distance between server and receiver is more or less always the same.

For badmintonn, the distance can be very different depending on the smasher's position (mid-court, back of the court...) and defender's position on court.

I should think on mid-court smashes, the shuttle is still very fast when it arrives on the defender!!

One other statistic I'd like to see, as someone's mentioned it, is the average time between shots. Both in singles and doubles. I think we'd be surprised there, especially for top-level doubles.
We have some data for singles. I know because I compiled it.
Shots per second (while shuttle in play) varied between 0.75 and 1.28

The fastest game examined was Thomas Cup 2004 Bao Chunlai vs Kenneth Jonassen at 1.28

next fastest was Grand Prix Finals 1998 Peter Gade vs Sun Jun at 1.075

slowest was All England 2003 Roslin Hashim v Kenneth Jonassen

Poor Ken. In the fastest and slowest, and lost both matches.

they're figures for the whole match
By game, a quick look shows a range from 0.62 to 1.44

We have some data for singles. I know because I compiled it.
Shots per second (while shuttle in play) varied between 0.75 and 1.28

The fastest game examined was Thomas Cup 2004 Bao Chunlai vs Kenneth Jonassen at 1.28

next fastest was Grand Prix Finals 1998 Peter Gade vs Sun Jun at 1.075

slowest was All England 2003 Roslin Hashim v Kenneth Jonassen

Poor Ken. In the fastest and slowest, and lost both matches.

they're figures for the whole match
By game, a quick look shows a range from 0.62 to 1.44

That's wonderful piece of info! Thanks.

Playing even "only" 6 shots in 10 seconds in singles is very fast, especially in a sustained fashion, rally after rally, covering the whole court. Ouch. I think I just pulled my quads thinking about it. :D

Shots per second (while shuttle in play) varied between 0.75 and 1.28

The fastest game examined was Thomas Cup 2004 Bao Chunlai vs Kenneth Jonassen at 1.28
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By game, a quick look shows a range from 0.62 to 1.44

Found a mistake from when I transposed the data from paper to Excel.
BCL v KJ overall is only 1.169 (still the fastest though)
Fastest single game is also still BCL v KJ with 1.185

it is just my guess (guessing yonex's marketing mind), since the fastest documented speed was by Jim Laugesen at 364km/h, yonex probably used this speed as reference.

if u read yonex brochure, they showed photo frames. They dont use radar or microwave methods. However, MW is much more convenience to use, great for tv as results is almost instantaneous. It would wow the crowd if the MV meter blinking stuck at 350 km/hr, overloading the MW machine LOL


Jim Laugesen

Født: 10.11.1974 i Gentofte
Højde: 185 cm
Uddannelse: Litograf
Kategori: Herredouble (Carsten Mogensen)
Klub: Gentofte Badminton Klub
Tidligere klubber: Grantoften
Bopæl: Valby
Højre/venstrehåndet: Højre
Sponsor: Yonex
Landskampe: 21 (1994 - )




Profil:
Jim er humørsprederen i den danske badminton trup. Rap i replikken og med en meget veludviklet humoristisk sans kan han få smilet frem under både træning og kamp. Han har altid haft et godt blik for spillet og specielt hans hårde og uforudsigelige smash volder de fleste modstandere problemer. Det fik han også dokumentation for ved Swiss Open 2001 hvor hans smash ved en test blev målt til 364 km/t, som det bedste resultat.

What's speed of Chen Hong's spectacular jump smash?

What is the smashing speed of Lin Dan ? Lcw? Bao chunlai?

What is the smashing speed of Lin Dan ? Lcw? Bao chunlai?

There's some numbers shown on those matches from SC 2005. LD's top smashes were normally in the 270-290 Km/h range. But keep in mind, many of his smashes were his infamous deceptive cross courts with that slight slicing action and hence they may be even more effective than FHF's straight on 332km/h smash! :)

anyone got video of the shot?

how bout kennevic's smash??

how they measure the speed?

What is the smashing speed of Lin Dan ? Lcw? Bao chunlai?generally doubles players smash harder than singles players in their games. so Fu Haifeng rather than Lin Dan or LCW holding the smash speed record makes perfect sense.

If singles players' smashes are more impressive to you, what really impresses you might not be the speed but the killing effect. In doubles, harder smashes are even less killing.

what i'm not sure is, if Lin Dan or LCW or Taufik can smash harder in a doubles match, harder than the best doubles smashers.

generally doubles players smash harder than singles players in their games. so Fu Haifeng rather than Lin Dan or LCW holding the smash speed record makes perfect sense.

If singles players' smashes are more impressive to you, what really impresses you might not be the speed but the killing effect. In doubles, harder smashes are even less killing.

what i'm not sure is, if Lin Dan or LCW or Taufik can smash harder in a doubles match, harder than the best doubles smashers.

If I could remember it correctly, LCW also made a stunning record by hitting the shuttle at 321 or 331 kph.

how they measure the speed?

They borrow police's speed radar gun.

taufik will make it!!!