taufik is well known for his hot temper and his outspokeness. well here are some comments from him. :D

"i am a man, he is just a child!" -referring to bao chulai

"i dont accept the nickname 'super dan'. he had only won a few championships, how about asia game and olympics? he never got these titles. from my point of view, he has the power, but his techniques is not as good as mine. to win him is not hard."

"among the elite shuttlers, not many of them can be my friends, maybe girls like me more. i always feel good friends one or two is enough. in chinese team, the only one who can be my friend is xia xuanze." -when asked why he doesnt acknowledge lin dan and bao chunlai when they meet.

"i'm going to beat lin dan in front of his home ground!"

"i really dislike the korean team, during the asia game they bullied us."

"about chen hong, i never worry. i won all of our 6 meetings. during the japan open, i was too tired after beating gade, so i gave him(chen hong) a chance."

Still we need more guys like him to promote the sport

Taufik is arrogant, no doubt. We just have to hope Indonesia can advance to final along with China then ...
Li Yongbo also claimed his players are the best in the world and I am sure not everyone agree with him. At least not me.

rayeraye,
do you mind giving us the source(s) where you got these quotes/comments??...

taufik is well known for his hot temper and his outspokeness. well here are some comments from him. :D

"i am a man, he is just a child!" -referring to bao chulai

"i dont accept the nickname 'super dan'. he had only won a few championships, how about asia game and olympics? he never got these titles. from my point of view, he has the power, but his techniques is not as good as mine. to win him is not hard."

"among the elite shuttlers, not many of them can be my friends, maybe girls like me more. i always feel good friends one or two is enough. in chinese team, the only one who can be my friend is xia xuanze." -when asked why he doesnt acknowledge lin dan and bao chunlai when they meet.

"i'm going to beat lin dan in front of his home ground!"

"i really dislike the korean team, during the asia game they bullied us."

"about chen hong, i never worry. i won all of our 6 meetings. during the japan open, i was too tired after beating gade, so i gave him(chen hong) a chance."

i dont see any source but i admit this is what i imagine him to sound like.

i think we sort of need more personalities like these. whether there are nice guys or heels. people who will talk and promote badmintonin more ways than 1.


8man


taufik is well known for his hot temper and his outspokeness. well here are some comments from him. :D

"i am a man, he is just a child!" -referring to bao chulai

"i dont accept the nickname 'super dan'. he had only won a few championships, how about asia game and olympics? he never got these titles. from my point of view, he has the power, but his techniques is not as good as mine. to win him is not hard."

"among the elite shuttlers, not many of them can be my friends, maybe girls like me more. i always feel good friends one or two is enough. in chinese team, the only one who can be my friend is xia xuanze." -when asked why he doesnt acknowledge lin dan and bao chunlai when they meet.

"i'm going to beat lin dan in front of his home ground!"

"i really dislike the korean team, during the asia game they bullied us."

"about chen hong, i never worry. i won all of our 6 meetings. during the japan open, i was too tired after beating gade, so i gave him(chen hong) a chance."

here are the sources, but its in chinese.

http://2005sc.163.com/05/0513/10/1JKK8KSG00231F0M.html

http://2005sc.163.com/05/0512/04/1JHC4H6T00231F2E.html


tang xianhu also said something like "taufik can only talk big, when in court he's actually a weak mental player......." i can't find the exact source, i know its probably from 163, sohu, tom or sina's sudirman page.

Now, let's just wait for what lin dan and bao has to say about Taufik in THEIR interviews...

Oh, this is going to be good...!:D :) :D

Now, let's just wait for what lin dan and bao has to say about Taufik in THEIR interviews...

Oh, this is going to be good...!:D :) :D

i cant remember the exact words, but both of them are anxious to play with taufik. especially lin dan, he says he would like to meet taufik in the final.

i dont know.. i think he's quite good but .. he shouldn't underestimate other players especially Lin Dan :o ...

"i am a man, he is just a child!" -referring to bao chulai


Well, who is well known as a crying baby? Bao is a child, Taufik is a baby. :p

Well, we know how controversial and vocal Taufik can be. BUT PLEASE, before u start calling Taufik as arrogant, crybaby or whatever... THINK first about his comments.

"i dont accept the nickname 'super dan'. he had only won a few championships, how about asia game and olympics? he never got these titles. from my point of view, he has the power, but his techniques is not as good as mine. to win him is not hard."

Well, its TRUE!! last time i check their senior head to head clash, Taufik 1 - Lin Dan 0.
In quantity, yes Lin has won more than Taufik. But what about the real big ones like World Championships or Olympics??? (no disrespect to any other tourneys)... I dont see Lin's name anywhere, and Taufik's name is on the biggest one of em all...

"among the elite shuttlers, not many of them can be my friends, maybe girls like me more. i always feel good friends one or two is enough. in chinese team, the only one who can be my friend is xia xuanze." -when asked why he doesnt acknowledge lin dan and bao chunlai when they meet.

"i really dislike the korean team, during the asia game they bullied us."

Personal opinion... aren't we all entitled to speak out our mind?? It's not like he's been racist or anything... (he didnt say something like "I hate Chinese" did he??)

"i'm going to beat lin dan in front of his home ground!"

Lets wait and see

"about chen hong, i never worry. i won all of our 6 meetings. during the japan open, i was too tired after beating gade, so i gave him(chen hong) a chance."

Again, ITS TRUE!!! 6 previous meetings over a couple of years (including the times when Chen is on his peak) = 6 times Taufik walk away victorious.

Japan Open 2005

- Taufik's QF game (95 mins) was twice as long as Chen's (48 mins)
- Taufik's opponent (Gade) just compare to Chen's (Chen Yu)
- Keep in mind this is Taufik's first int'l tourney this year


"i am a man, he is just a child!" -referring to bao chulai
Well, who is well known as a crying baby? Bao is a child, Taufik is a baby. :p

Qidong, if Taufik is a baby then what should we call all the other MS players in the 2004 Olympic??? (Bao wasn't even there was he??)

So for those of you who been trash talkin Taufik in here, please consider facts before u start getting vocal...

Finally,what he said here (especially about Lin) might be too harsh for some to handle, BUT IT IS THE TRUTH PPL!!! He has everything he needs to prove his words...

if these comments are true he surely is arrogant, but in some way I have my doubts about the media perhaps have manipulated with something

I think Taufik is arrogant.

1. Bao has a better head to head record against Taufik (4-2), the last 2 encounter(China Open and Thomas Cup) in 2004 were both won by Bao. How's Taufik a 'MAN' in front of Bao?

2. Beating Lin Dan in Indonesia in 3 sets is not conclusive. And Taufik has yet to prove if he can beat Lin in his home ground or somewhere else. By the way, their head to head encounter is 1-1 according to the IBF website.

3. Lin Dan has won 8 Championships + Thomas Cup since March 2004, surely that's more than 'a few'. By the way, Lin didn't participate Asian Championships 2004.

4. The real big one Taufik won is the Olympics. He hasn't won World Championships yet. I personally don't rate Asian Championships as the big one. And I am pity sure Lin Dan has a better winning percentage than Taufik. (someone do the calculation here). I remeber there was a thread about whether Taufik deserve to be the player of the year 2004 and the majority of people do not agree and quite a number of people thought Lin deserve more.

5. Regards to the lost to Chen Hong in Japan Open 2004, I think it's childish to give excuse like this. Chen hadn't got an easy path (i.e Roslin + Chen Yu). Chen played well to win in straight sets. Taufik can always say I beat Chen 6 times before but can he do it NOW?

I think Taufik is arrogant.

1. Bao has a better head to head record against Taufik (4-2), the last 2 encounter(China Open and Thomas Cup) in 2004 were both won by Bao. How's Taufik a 'MAN' in front of Bao?

2. Beating Lin Dan in Indonesia in 3 sets is not conclusive. And Taufik has yet to prove if he can beat Lin in his home ground or somewhere else. By the way, their head to head encounter is 1-1 according to the IBF website.

3. Lin Dan has won 8 Championships + Thomas Cup since March 2004, surely that's more than 'a few'. By the way, Lin didn't participate Asian Championships 2004.

4. The real big one Taufik won is the Olympics. He hasn't won World Championships yet. I personally don't rate Asian Championships as the big one. And I am pity sure Lin Dan has a better winning percentage than Taufik. (someone do the calculation here). I remeber there was a thread about whether Taufik deserve to be the player of the year 2004 and the majority of people do not agree and quite a number of people thought Lin deserve more.

5. Regards to the lost to Chen Hong in Japan Open 2004, I think it's childish to give excuse like this. Chen hadn't got an easy path (i.e Roslin + Chen Yu). Chen played well to win in straight sets. Taufik can always say I beat Chen 6 times before but can he do it NOW?

1: China open: If u said Taufik vs Lin in Indo open is not conclusive, then what should I call this??? (Also, wasnt this the tourney when they later on found out Taufik has a nasty blister)
Thomas Cup: Exactly like yesterday's SC tie...

2: All rite Taufik vs Lin is 1 a piece but hows Taufik's victory not conclusive? Did u watch the match? If u did, didnt u see how much Taufik dominates in the 2nd and 3rd set? If not, then I think u should. It was a good matchup.
Also, assuming what u said is correct, wouldnt this be exactly the same case as Bao's victory in China open?? It's in China and it's also in 3 sets

3: I did say that Lin has won more tourneys than Taufik.

4: Did i said that Taufik has won the WC??? Also, did i mention Asian Champs as a big one???
Regarding Player of the Year award, I admit that I was also surprised when i read that Taufik won it. I would say that Lin deserve it more than Taufik, BUT I didnt say that he shouldve won it either.

5: It wasnt easy, but definitely easier in the quarters...
Is Chen Hong included in the SC team??? If yes, why havent i seen his name around??? If not, why not? i thought he can be used against Taufik in case they meet again in the final because NOW he can beat Taufik

Taufik is just illustrating why he always gets caught up in strange incidents (car accidents, fist fights, racquet throwing, etc) and other conflicts (with coaches, PBSI etc). It's not like these things just "happen" to him. He is looking for it.

Mix the mentality of a child with a dose of testosterone, add plenty of talent and voila -- Taufik! :D

Mix the mentality of a child with a dose of testosterone, add plenty of talent and voila -- Taufik! :D

Mix in some training as well if you want a badminton player like Taufik :D

/FingaPowa

Taufik is a player with a high talent..no doubt of it...but..his mentality is not that good and talking about his behaviour..it is also childish...he is not a mature player yet...he is so arrogant...

Well, eventhough I am a big fans of Lin Dan, but one thing I want to say that giving a comment like Taufik said was really really bad...as a famous player, he should not behave like that...we must remember that he also sometimes not a very stable player...even he can be beaten by some players whom he could beat them.....compared to Lin Dan who is more stable player recently..he is only beatable by some talented players and good ones....


Hmm, by the way, sometimes mass media also manipulated this kind of thing....:eek: ....
But if what Taufik said is like that....he is indeed very arogant......eventhough he is not number 1 world player yet.......
He should improve his behaviour for not becoming a child.....he may not say that LD is a child.....He won the Athens 2004, more because all of Chinese players have already beaten before....so no doubt he won the tournament not that difficult, only against Peter Gade, he needed extra effort at that time and remember also that during Olympics, Peter condition was not good..so..Taufik got a help from this situation..

.....He won the Athens 2004, more because all of Chinese players have already beaten before....so no doubt he won the tournament not that difficult, only against Peter Gade, he needed extra effort at that time and remember also that during Olympics, Peter condition was not good..so..Taufik got a help from this situation..

there is no luck in big game like olimpic man...
whatever the condition olimpic histories will recorded Taufik was the champ for 2004...
and u should remember badminton only participated in olimpic since 1992 before
badminton not too popular (now??)
and i think -still- olimpic games is the peak of badminton championship like other sport, like it or not Taufik was the champ for Athens 2004

I still remember the time Taufik played against Lee Tsuen Seng (Thomas Cup, held in Guangzhou). When Taufik lost, he walked off without shaking Lee's hand. I didn't know what to make of that incident...players' etiquette anyone??

Woven, if someone won a major tournment like Olympic, then he can start calling everyone else a child? :confused:

the olympic is the highest profile event but i usually dont use the olympic event to gauge player's ability and talent. Remember that shon (KOR) got the silver, is shon that much better than chinese and danish MS players? Current world ranking of taufik and shon is 13th and 16th at the moment. Does that mean anything?

Hmmm, calling bao a child but yet whining about KOR bullied them. Double standard?

I dont recall other greats LD, peter G, Chen Hong, shon mo, bao, xia bad mouthing other players. Of course, some of taufik comments are invoking and make badminton a bit more interesting :D Also that picking a fight with the fans make a great tv scene :D


some history: alan budi and Xinpeng Ji also won olympic gold too. Are they solidly more talented than other MS players of that time??? In one other match, i saw Zhao Jinhua cut up alan budi like chop liver. :D

there is no luck in big game like olimpic man...
whatever the condition olimpic histories will recorded Taufik was the champ for 2004...
and u should remember badminton only participated in olimpic since 1992 before
badminton not too popular (now??)
and i think -still- olimpic games is the peak of badminton championship like other sport, like it or not Taufik was the champ for Athens 2004


Yes, indeed he is the olympic champions...I just highlight some factors which might influence his way to the crown...He has won that big tournament, but he still need to prove to win AE, and WC....which he never won them...
And Asian Championship is often held without the present of the Chinese good player....so everyone has the same chance to win...
I don't want to say that Chinese have greater chances to win, but if in a tournament, they present the best team performance, no doubt it will be a very tough job for others..since most of them, also in men singles have a stable performance...

You are right jcl49, Taufik is not a sportman...I remembered that TC 2002....eventhough the judgement may not fair for him, he still need to respect Lee TS...what a bad bad etiquette !!!

rayeraye, thx for the links, that helps eventhough I, myself, can not read Chinese nor my comp. can read Chinese-perhaps other people can read and translate them??...:P.
Anyway, I just want to add my opinion. And to a sense, I'm speaking on behalf on other pro players.
IMO, I don't see any purpose posting those comments. Besides, if anyone of you noticed, all of them are "negative" comments coming from Taufik, not a single "positive" remarks/comments. It seems like he's being labeled as the "black sheep" in badminton. You have to also consider that:
1. the media tends to twist and take things out of context and to a certain degree manipulate and/or even change the comments.
2.And we don't know under what context were these comments made and
3.whether these were said in public or private or overheard by someone and it was misinterpreted.
I'm not saying Taufik is "a good, mature, wholesome, humble or what have you person than most" at all, not at all, but one can't simply just take these things and interpret them as such. If it was said in public, then why aren't other newspapers/websites from other countries publish/post it also??Why just the Chinese newspaper(s)/website reporting??..Last, let's all not judge one person by such comments. Sure Taufik can be called "arrogant/big-headed and all", esp. after he won the Olympics, even I would call him that, maybe more of a "selfish comments" *IF* indeed he did/said those comments. But I'm sure other pro player(s) is/are the sama as him and have said one thing or another similar to those comments. Hey, even all of us, I myself, whether consciously or not, have been guilty of doing/saying such thing(s) "to a certain degree" in our lifetime..

Anyhoo, no big deal. Regarding your post, sorry if i felt this way, but personally the comments or reports given by those sources/links, and to a certain extent posted by you serves no other purpose other than to stir up more talks in here. Which unfortunately(for some people)/fortunately(for some people) has achieved its damage(s).

here are the sources, but its in chinese.

http://2005sc.163.com/05/0513/10/1JKK8KSG00231F0M.html

http://2005sc.163.com/05/0512/04/1JHC4H6T00231F2E.html


tang xianhu also said something like "taufik can only talk big, when in court he's actually a weak mental player......." i can't find the exact source, i know its probably from 163, sohu, tom or sina's sudirman page.

the olympic is the highest profile event but i usually dont use the olympic event to gauge player's ability and talent. Remember that shon (KOR) got the silver, is shon that much better than chinese and danish MS players? Current world ranking of taufik and shon is 8th and 23th at the moment. Does that mean anything?

come on guys... can we really thurst these sources??? i dont think so..

i know taufik, he's a nice guy if u are just nice to him.
and even if he said those things, whats wrong then? why cant he says what he wants/think??
Taufik never let people messin' with him and is not scared of anybody, i think he learnt tht during his childhood, when he and his family had to fight for everything they had.

I even think its cool to say this (even tough im not sure these quotes are taufiks words). This give badminton some extra tension..

I still remember the time Taufik played against Lee Tsuen Seng (Thomas Cup, held in Guangzhou). When Taufik lost, he walked off without shaking Lee's hand. I didn't know what to make of that incident...players' etiquette anyone??
I still remember all the bad line calls that Taufik got in this match. And with Lee Tsuen Seng playing along with all of the decisions (when he obvious would have known the correct decision), it is no wondered Taufik didn't shake his hand. I didn't expect him to either.

I still remember all the bad line calls that Taufik got in this match. And with Lee Tsuen Seng playing along with all of the decisions (when he obvious would have known the correct decision), it is no wondered Taufik didn't shake his hand. I didn't expect him to either.
Double negatives...never been allured to it...;)

I do agree that he is arrogant. But sometimes we need these kind of players to entertain people like us.. it make the game more interesting.

i always think that top player need a little arrogance/self-esteem/whatever u want to call it... gives them the confidence even when they know they are up against someone better no?

Bottom line, Taufik is an extremely talented player, no doubt as you don't win Olympic by pure luck. He's also arrogant in many ways which great players tend to possess, nothing wrong with that either as it may serve as motivation and we all just expressing our view about him. Taufik talent on court is not in debate here rather is his off court talent.
Taufik is still my favourite.

I think we must keep in mind that the interview was done by chinese reporters, and probably translated several times (first to chinese, then to english...), so the text might be quite far from its original meaning...

more Taufik interview was posted here : http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23747


Reported by Netease Sports Channel, May 13, 2005 Beijing time, 　　Indonesian top Hidayat Taufi is famous for his frankness and as a result, he is called“gunnery”. He didn’t join the match held between China and Indonesia on May 12th. On the exclusive interview, he keeps his direct style when talking about Chinese best three men’s single players.

　　REPORTERS:”Would you mind telling us why your eyes kept following Lin Dan when he was on the match yesterday?”

　　Taufi:”Well, I have to admit that I care about his match very much and I’m ill-affected at his title of‘Super Dan’. Lin has just simply got several more champions in tournaments and he lacks Championships for Asian Games and Olympic Games. In addition, I won over him in Indonesia and I don’t mind having another match with him. As far as I’m concerned, Lin Dan is powerful and vigorous, but it is not so hard to beat him because I’m more exquisite in technique.”

　　REPORTERS:“When fighting against Bao Chunlai, you’re not in a very good record. But on May 11th, after the match, you said that he was just a boy while you were a man. What does it suppose to mean?”

　　TAUFI:”That is exactly where the disparity lies. As for the match, I was upwind while he was low-speedy. I couldn’t adjust myself to that. Though his kills were not powerful, the accuracy of placement made me so hard to take response. However, technique is only one factor for a momentous match, wisdom and the spirits is more important. And I’m more experienced than him. As you can see, he almost got beaten by Lin Guangyi yesterday. That is why I consider him to be a‘boy’, boys characterize in being fragile in the zero hour.”

　　REPORTERS:”There is a saying that Chinese team will let Chen Hong attend the Men’s Singles in next match. What’s your opinion about that?”

　　TAUFI:”Well, I’ve never been scared of Chen Hong. And I keep an all-victory record in the last 6 matches against him. Maybe Chinese coach holds different opinions according to the results of Japanese Tournament. But I can tell you that I offered him a chance just because I felt so tired in the former match. And I welcome Chen very much to be my challenger again on Sudirman Cup.”

　　REPORTERS:”It seems to me that you’re not in good relationship with Chinese single players mention-above. And you’ve just neglected them when you met them.”

　　TAUFI:”It’s hard for top badminton players to be my friends and maybe I’m more popular with girls. For me, one or two good friend is enough. And Xia Xuanze is my only friend in Chinese line-up. But it is a pity that he doesn’t attend this tournament.”

　　REPORTERS:”What’s your comment on the possibilities of winning Sudirman Cup for Indonesia?”

　　TAUFI:”I hope, we will win. But it is true that we’ve still had some problems in women’s items.”

　　REPORTERS:”Since you’re in top form, then why do your coaches cover you up?”

　　TAUFI:”The coaches have their arrangements. But we have booked our berth in the semifinals and that is the most important. I’m eager to battle against Chinese players, and Lin Dan will be the most suitable one. He must be sure that my victory over him in Indonesian Tournament was owing to my home advantage.““But we have to defeat Denmark or South Korea as long as we want to encounter China in the finals. I hate South Korea the most because they downplayed and ragged us in the last Asian Games. I’m confident in beating them. As to Danish Gade Christensen Peter, I used to be swept by him but I’ve changed and become more confident in defeating him after the Olympic Games.”

　　“However, Chinese Lin Dan and Bao Chunlai are my primary opponents.”TAUFI added in the end of the interview.

Taufik will go down as one of the greats, but he will also be remembered as the arrogant spoilt brat. He cannot escape that.

taufik is arrogant but he is talent and clever

he is the most deceptive player i've ever seen ;););)

taufik is arrogant but he is talent and clever

he is the most deceptive player i've ever seen ;););)

i thot suharto was, his winnings are in the billions$ :D ;)

rayeraye, thx for the links, that helps eventhough I, myself, can not read Chinese nor my comp. can read Chinese-perhaps other people can read and translate them??...:P.
Anyway, I just want to add my opinion. And to a sense, I'm speaking on behalf on other pro players.
IMO, I don't see any purpose posting those comments. Besides, if anyone of you noticed, all of them are "negative" comments coming from Taufik, not a single "positive" remarks/comments. It seems like he's being labeled as the "black sheep" in badminton. You have to also consider that:
1. the media tends to twist and take things out of context and to a certain degree manipulate and/or even change the comments.
2.And we don't know under what context were these comments made and
3.whether these were said in public or private or overheard by someone and it was misinterpreted.
I'm not saying Taufik is "a good, mature, wholesome, humble or what have you person than most" at all, not at all, but one can't simply just take these things and interpret them as such. If it was said in public, then why aren't other newspapers/websites from other countries publish/post it also??Why just the Chinese newspaper(s)/website reporting??..Last, let's all not judge one person by such comments. Sure Taufik can be called "arrogant/big-headed and all", esp. after he won the Olympics, even I would call him that, maybe more of a "selfish comments" *IF* indeed he did/said those comments. But I'm sure other pro player(s) is/are the sama as him and have said one thing or another similar to those comments. Hey, even all of us, I myself, whether consciously or not, have been guilty of doing/saying such thing(s) "to a certain degree" in our lifetime..

Anyhoo, no big deal. Regarding your post, sorry if i felt this way, but personally the comments or reports given by those sources/links, and to a certain extent posted by you serves no other purpose other than to stir up more talks in here. Which unfortunately(for some people)/fortunately(for some people) has achieved its damage(s).

Definitely agree with you! So lets blame in on the media, haha:D For Taufik fans and Lin Dan fans, cool down, do not be provoked:cool:

Against Lin Dan, he has better technique so it's not hard to beat Lin Dan. Against Bao Chun Lai, technique is only part of the game. I'm having a problem following his line of reasoning! Without doubt, he is a great badminton player...but what is he outside the badminton court? Looks like Mike Tyson outside the boxing ring to me.:confused:

Definitely agree with you! So lets blame in on the media, haha:D For Taufik fans and Lin Dan fans, cool down, do not be provoked:cool:

I second this, this could be a chinese media tactic to motivate Chinese team.

With all due respect to Danish team, It seems that the press is anticipating China - Indo in the final.

Is there any media other than Chinese one that has published this interview?

Taufik might be a cocky player, but I am kinda doubting the credibility of this interview.

One other thing I should add about Taufik H. From all Indonesia MS players they all got the same coach , Joko Suprianto except him. In 2004, for couple of weeks he refused to train with Joko and trained alone by himself. He said he didn't like Joko style of coaching. He demand PBSI (Indonesia badminton organization) to get his old coach , Mulyono (If I am not wrong) or else he won't train with any other coach.

Because PBSI dying to win some title from MS, and Taufik is very talented, they agree to his term. He is the only player from all Indonesia players now who got his own private coach.

Yes Taufik is talented and he proved it by winning Olympic gold. But only in Indonesia that he can do that arrogant demand. And PBSI gave some bad example to other Indonesia players that players can do what they want if they are talented and can win some major title.

I prefer Sony than Taufik. Sony is not as talented as Taufik but he is not arrogant. He willingly work and train hard. When he lost to a player, he never offer any excuses , example he is not fit etc or just too tired from yesterday fight.

there is no luck in big game like olimpic man...
like it or not Taufik was the champ for Athens 2004

This is just total rubbish, to win a *tournament* luck can be very decisive when separating several equals. It might even make for some one-in their lifetime winners. Not to take anything from JR/Rikke, but their victory over KDM/RKM was because of "luck". They knew they would lose most of the times against this pair, but also knew that one day they would win. "Luck" made it to be they won the most important one of all their encounters.

Our friends from down-under call tell how a olympic gold was won in Salt Lake 2002 ;) That was hilarious to watch:p

So in a *single* tournament like the olympics luck can, and *will*, be of importance.

To be ranked no1 needs more than luck in *one* tournament (match), it takes to be able to win a little more, or be that much better constantly, over a long time.

However I am happy that Taufik won in Athens, at last being able to take advantage of his extreme talent (and training). He had done all preparations correct to be in form, and he had the *luck* with avoiding injuries.

/ mats

The dude is lucky that he is not living in NYC or LA. Let's see the reply after he throws a fist at somebody.

Taufik is just illustrating why he always gets caught up in strange incidents (car accidents, fist fights, racquet throwing, etc) and other conflicts (with coaches, PBSI etc). It's not like these things just "happen" to him. He is looking for it.

Mix the mentality of a child with a dose of testosterone, add plenty of talent and voila -- Taufik! :D

oh please, i wonder why the person who started this thread only wrote the bad comments he made, i thought in the article he said sumthin positive too, even tho i highly doubt the article, since those comments are only featured on only one website, and chinese website

i think even for him, those things are still almost impossible to say, and its just that taufik is quite a hihg profile person, i wonder if he made such infamous comment, why havent him made headlines. i know he is bad tempered, but i dont think hes like simon cowell or sumthin, from some interview of him i have watched i kinda think that he is polite(maybe not, but,,,)

my guess is that maybe hesaid some of those things, and the rest are media manipulation, feelbad for him, since most of the replies are harsh replies and didnt even questioned the reliability of the source:(

lol...notice the titles below under similar threads....:p lookes like taufik attracts too much bad publicity

oh please, i wonder why the person who started this thread only wrote the bad comments he made, i thought in the article he said sumthin positive too, even tho i highly doubt the article, since those comments are only featured on only one website, and chinese website

i think even for him, those things are still almost impossible to say, and its just that taufik is quite a hihg profile person, i wonder if he made such infamous comment, why havent him made headlines. i know he is bad tempered, but i dont think hes like simon cowell or sumthin, from some interview of him i have watched i kinda think that he is polite(maybe not, but,,,)

my guess is that maybe hesaid some of those things, and the rest are media manipulation, feelbad for him, since most of the replies are harsh replies and didnt even questioned the reliability of the source:(


I agree not sure about these comments and how much they have been taken out of context.


I am a great fan of Tufik, even though he has a bit of a temper

Sure Lin Dan is a great player and has won many tournaments, but I don't think this "Super Dan" is right.

Tafik has had to put a with a lot of pressure from bad line calls in Korea, and even Chinese have blantly called the Koreans cheats

PSBI have delibrately for Thomas cup enure players like Taufik and Henawarn didn't play many tournaments so there rankings could be low, and they could play them lower down in the order ensuring a better chance.

i dun know taukfit personally and no doubt he COULD be arrogant as you guys said. But personally, he is cool to watch definitely. i like him!

Well atleast he proved he can do more than just 'talk' by beating gade in straight sets.

Looking forward to a Lin-taufik showdown.If taufik actually said all of that, Lin Dan will be burning inside to beat him.But wait a second,was that the whole idea.To put Lin in a confusing position,make him thirsty for revenge and make him lose his mind:confused: .Ah! these could be nothing but 'mind' games,perhaps.:p

did taukfit said if he is good frens to msian players? saw choong hann and him talking and laughing out the match before on the news ages ago.

true also, this comment only featured in chinese papers. maybe the newspapers want dan or other chinese to put a fight against taukfit.
hmmm, taukfit is the best and besides, he seems that type that doesnt talk much to the media always keep his mouth firm and just smile.
whatever it is, he is way too cool to lose to ANY chinese players. u have my support taukfit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah! these could be nothing but 'mind' games,perhaps.:p
heh, that might be true, the comentator in our tv also said sumthin about that, tho it wasnt about taufik, it was about denmark who said that they were sure they could win 3-2 over indo, they said it might be somekind of strategy (mid games)

Guys NO one is perfect in the systems we live in. So why all the arguements? Taufik has challenged Super Dan so sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Taufik wants Lin Dan bad, this is his strategy: to psyche ' both Lin Dan and Bao' :p

taufik is well known for his hot temper and his outspokeness. well here are some comments from him. :D

"i am a man, he is just a child!" -referring to bao chulai

"i dont accept the nickname 'super dan'. he had only won a few championships, how about asia game and olympics? he never got these titles. from my point of view, he has the power, but his techniques is not as good as mine. to win him is not hard."

"among the elite shuttlers, not many of them can be my friends, maybe girls like me more. i always feel good friends one or two is enough. in chinese team, the only one who can be my friend is xia xuanze." -when asked why he doesnt acknowledge lin dan and bao chunlai when they meet.

"i'm going to beat lin dan in front of his home ground!"

"i really dislike the korean team, during the asia game they bullied us."

"about chen hong, i never worry. i won all of our 6 meetings. during the japan open, i was too tired after beating gade, so i gave him(chen hong) a chance."

I agree with taufik on the fact that lin dan or bao chunlai has any special techniques. They're players that has the talent to get the shuttle back, but there is no specialty, like xia, sun jun, and other former chinese players.

I dont think taufik's being arrogant at all. If the chinese team reads the newspaper, especially lin dan, I hope taufik gets what he wants.

There's no luck in winning the olympics. Taufik has definitely improved his game up until the olympics, and to date. His previous matches with peter gade or any other players, were disastrous. But as he said in the interview, he can easily beat him now. Gade was just ran over by taufik 15-10, 15-3. I think it's all about the confidence you have and the mometum of that match if you get it swinging your way (again, not done by luck).

I think taufik will go down as one of the great as said before. Even though he has a temper, but that's what people will remember him for. I love watching him, or any indonesian players for that matter.

after watching a few of lin dan's game, i think lin dan is more arrogant than taufik cuz lin dan doesn't think he can hit the shuttle out of the court, and he mocks the line judge everytime the shuttle's called out.

not to offend any lin dan fans, but i hope taufik gives him a good spanking.

BTW, is it just me, or does lin dan not like peter gade? this occured to me after watching the thomas cup 04.

Well....... The Greatest of All, Muhammad Ali, usually did psywar before the match. Most boxing promotor are also doing this just to "burn out" their target market to be so anxious to see and visit the boxing match. It works since the live spectator are so huge and many of TV broadcasting are demanding to live it. Lets imagine how huge will the Beijing Stadium be once China and INA in the final. The increasing of fighting spirit will somehow take apart to China team to beat INA.

Yes..., I personally doubt that the Taufik's word stated in the web is not overstated by the web administratod. Beside, I have heard that Taufik was avoiding any interview since his first day in China. Avoiding any interview might be judged as another arrogant attitude ....... :) , or it is also the way Taufik avoiding media misinterpretation and to keep his adrenalin stabil. He grows anyway.

Taufik and Lin Dan fans, have enjoy your shows.

I do agree that he is arrogant. But sometimes we need these kind of players to entertain people like us.. it make the game more interesting.

thats what i want to saying
im still remember some years ago, some journalists from europe
had complaint about badminton player couse they, mostly asian player,
too shy and too quite. they cant made news with a kind thing like that
if we only talking about tech, speed and etc better we watching badminton
in PS2 ;)

well, people say that lin dan and taufik are arrogant, then i am really looking forward to see their match --- not only the battle to collect points but also the battle of arrogance, ha! thats new way of watching baddy:D

well, people say that lin dan and taufik are arrogant, then i am really looking forward to see their match --- not only the battle to collect points but also the battle of arrogance, ha! thats new way of watching baddy:D
Any sport for that matter is good to watch when there is the sense of discretion.Such battles are good to watch coz these two are not just gr8 players but they look awesome and have a gr8 style too.and to top it Lin will be fired up by taufik's comments[well if taufik has n't even said them,does it really matter now.i mean we all have heard it,so i am sure the news would have reached him aldready].
Wo!!What they will say when these 2 look into each other's eyes.
Maybe they will start the game with a 2 minute eye fight or perhaps Lin will say,"excuse me taufik,I need to talk to u privately" ....or simply, they will enter the court and Begin the 'showdown'

I read in a recent report @ an Indonesian badminton website(badminton-indonesia.com) that after the SF match against the Danes, during a press meeting Taufik was asked if he was looking forward to the Finals. This is the translation of his comments:
"For me, it doesn't really matter LinDan or Bao, I have to defeat them and I will wait for LinDan in the Final. Not too sound arrogant, i will defeat LinDan or Bao in front of their fans/homecrowd. In the Indonesian Open last year, I heard LinDan said he will beat me when he meets me again. Here, in front of his own fans/homecrowd, I will prove that he will not defeat me."
Then LYB was also asked about LinDan's chance and this is what he said:
"In the qualification, LinDan actually supposed to defeat Taufik. He already waited for Taufik, but Taufik never showed up(the Indonesian instead fielded Sony D. Kuncoro)"..However he stopped short of telling who he will field in the MS Finals.

IMO, the talk is nothing more than "confidence" talk by Taufik. As you can see, Taufik is replying and not backing down to the person who made the challenge himself, LinDan. I don't think Taufik is being "arrogant", but I'm sure there's some psychological factor also..It's normal, as Taufik is quite confident playing against LinDan..

there is no luck in big game like olimpic man...
whatever the condition olimpic histories will recorded Taufik was the champ for 2004...
and u should remember badminton only participated in olimpic since 1992 before
badminton not too popular (now??)
and i think -still- olimpic games is the peak of badminton championship like other sport, like it or not Taufik was the champ for Athens 2004

I dont believe that Taufik did say those things even though i m sure that is really what he has on mind......
the media is manipulating this...
btw about his arrogancy..i like it.:D :D :D ....he will be remembered as the only player with that behaviour....

taufik is well known for his hot temper and his outspokeness. well here are some comments from him. :D
.......
"i dont accept the nickname 'super dan'. he had only won a few championships, how about asia game and olympics? he never got these titles. from my point of view, he has the power, but his techniques is not as good as mine. to win him is not hard."

Well, now You (Taufik) have to accept that the nickname of Lin Dan is "Super Dan" ;)
And sure You (Taufik) realize now that is very HARD to beat him (Lin Dan). ;)

......
"i'm going to beat lin dan in front of his home ground!"

It never happen right now Taufik ! You have to wait for another chance. ;)

nvm taufik... u have plenty of chance to beat lin dan...

credit to taufik...lost like a true sportsman today...not his typical behavior....:)

he might actually become a real sportsman after this humbling experience ;)

credit to taufik...lost like a true sportsman today...not his typical behavior....:)

he might actually become a real sportsman after this humbling experience ;)

Indeed. He even gave Lin Dan a tap on his shoulder after his loss. Good sportsmanship :)

Wonder how things will go in future. To spice things up, will he be reported to say..."I'm only giving Lin Dan a chance knowing that our team won't win even if I beat Lin Dan" like what was reported by the Chinese reporter about his defeat by Chen Hong ? ;)

Indeed. He even gave Lin Dan a tap on his shoulder after his loss. Good sportsmanship :)

Wonder how things will go in future. To spice things up, will he be reported to say..."I'm only giving Lin Dan a chance knowing that our team won't win even if I beat Lin Dan" like what was reported by the Chinese reporter about his defeat by Chen Hong ? ;)

that be one HILARIOUS excuse....even indo coaches should get MAD if he really did say this...:p

taufik is still the best and still rocks as always! u so cool to watch! whether it;s so excited or heart beat so fast, u are still looked calm and cool as always!!
go away China team though i will congrat u for ur excellence. go away.:(

i believe Taufik's comment does come from himself, and i do not thing it is too much out of line. in fact, i would prefer Lin Dan to actually make a challenge over it. but instead Lin Dan just shrug it off without saying much and staying cool about it.

perhaps that's what's so great about Lin Dan, and that's his mental strength, even when presented with such a verbal challenge from one of his most feared foe, he isn't swayed by it. instead, he prefers action over words. beat the guy in straight games and see what he can say now?

two force are playing here, one is the war of words, while it creates nice tension and rivalry with comments like those given by Taufik, we don't want the words to go out of hand like those boxers in their press conference.

the other is purity, words are cheap, and the purists would prefer to see it duked out in the badminton court instead of in press conferences.

and i think a middle ground is the desirable place, let these guys say a few words against each other, get the tension going, get them psyched up. and then let them go into the court, play their best game and decide who is really the better player.

and this time, Lin proves that he is the one.

if we were to keep score though, they are still 1-1, Taufik beat Lin at home in december, Lin beat Taufik at home in SC.

let's see who wins in a neutral arena.

Lin 1 - Taufik 1

(i am disregarding that long time ago match)

if taufik is deceptive on court, i'm sure he is also deceptive off court too to establish some advantages. Hey, if it boost media ratings, more power to him :)

I think it's healthy to challenge or to be challenged. Winning a title is one thing, beating your foe give ya extra bonus satisfaction :)

Concur and concur...It's nothing more than "confidence" and "psyched-up" talks, both he or LinDan could say the same thing...I don't think it's so much of a disrespecting talk, I'm sure he knows LinDan is the #1 and "best" MS player in the world, and he propped him up already a few times..ANd vice versa, Lin also knows that Taufik is the current Olympic champ and his "biggest" rival..That's why, as a challenge, Taufik made the comments that "he wants and prefer to play the #1 player(in the world and for China) and defeat him in front of his homecourt" ..I mean, what else is he going to say??..But true, words are just words, as Taufik never followed up his talk.. :(

About their head to head meeting, isn't it strange that their record is only 1-1(with Kwun's official record)..;).
I mean basically the top 2 heavy-weight contenders in the world in MS only played each other 3x so far in their career??..
I can't wait til the WC rolls around, should be one heck of a match if both of them should meet again..and then later in Nov. hope they'll meet again in China Open and the following week in Indonesia Open...(phew)..:rolleyes:

i believe Taufik's comment does come from himself, and i do not thing it is too much out of line. in fact, i would prefer Lin Dan to actually make a challenge over it. but instead Lin Dan just shrug it off without saying much and staying cool about it.

and i think a middle ground is the desirable place, let these guys say a few words against each other, get the tension going, get them psyched up. and then let them go into the court, play their best game and decide who is really the better player.

if we were to keep score though, they are still 1-1, Taufik beat Lin at home in december, Lin beat Taufik at home in SC.

let's see who wins in a neutral arena.

Lin 1 - Taufik 1

(i am disregarding that long time ago match)

About their head to head meeting, isn't it strange that their record is only 1-1(with Kwun's official record)..;).
I mean basically the top 2 heavy-weight contenders in the world in MS only played each other 3x so far in their career??..
I can't wait til the WC rolls around, should be one heck of a match if both of them should meet again..and then later in Nov. hope they'll meet again in China Open and the following week in Indonesia Open...(phew)..:rolleyes:

i too thought about that. only 3 times in the last 4 years? something strange must be going on. but then, Lin Dan has only been around and playing his top game for 2 years, i still remember in Japan Open 2003, he was relatively new then. and Taufik has been fighting with PBSI for the longest amount of time and hasn't been back in his top game until last year.

the good part is that both of them are relatively young. one of them is 22, and the other one 24. and it looks like Taufik is now stable with his relationship with PBSI and won't be running away to another country any time soon. on Lin Dan's side, not many promising players are rising to take the helm from him (like what happened to Xia). and i am sure Lin Dan will stick around to claim the Olympic title that he thought he deserved but so poorly missed in 2004.

as a result, i predict both will be around for quite a few years more. and we as badminton fans will be treated to many more years of rivalry between these two players. in the world of sports, nothing is better than a healthy rivalry. :)

(discussions on WC MS splitted into this thread:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23919

)

This is definatly pure media manipulation...
This is a chinese site of course they make the opponent look ugly
Look at how the comment they are all negative.... they probably sensor
all the good comments out and leave the bad one in LOL~
Well Lin Dan himeself is probably the most arragont one out there,
this guy hold strong grudge against Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat

at least lin Dan didn't against Chinese Badminton AssociationThis is definatly pure media manipulation...
This is a chinese site of course they make the opponent look ugly
Look at how the comment they are all negative.... they probably sensor
all the good comments out and leave the bad one in LOL~
Well Lin Dan himeself is probably the most arragont one out there,
this guy hold strong grudge against Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat

This is definatly pure media manipulation...
This is a chinese site of course they make the opponent look ugly
Look at how the comment they are all negative.... they probably sensor
all the good comments out and leave the bad one in LOL~
Well Lin Dan himeself is probably the most arragont one out there,
this guy hold strong grudge against Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat

How do you know definitely?? Nobody knows..it might be true or it might not be :confused:

How do you know definitely?? Nobody knows..it might be true or it might not be :confused:
Well maybe not definitely sorry :( But most unlikely true :p
Firstly, different sources are stated in the chinese and english aricle even though they are the exact same article...

Second, what language do you think the interview was conducted in? I doubt Taufik can speak madarine LOL~

Well lastly, even if this article was true I doubt Taufik meant what he says..
It must have been a very informal type of interview... and it sounds cocky from the english article point of view.. but if you understand chinese... and you read the part where it says.. "I'm more popular with girls" it has a (smile) added next to it... we can assume he was probably in a joking mood during the interview...
As you guys know Taufik is a joker and flamboyant type of guy... I guess he is just trying to impress his indonesian fans.. who knows him as being the guy he is

Anyway... Taufik talks alot, but he does respect his opponent, you guys saying Taufik only tap Lin Dan after he lost? Guess wrong, when he beat Lin Dan in indonesia he gave him a handshake.... And Taufik always shake hands to his opponent before running off the court (well some exception when he was younger LOL) unlike the Lin who just ran off the court after he beat taufik....:rolleyes:

well, he did run off in olympics... well, he was crying also, so maybe we should give the poor guy a break...;) :D

Taufik is not as young as lin dan...so if he is determined to break the tie (1-1 as kwun said hehe), he has to do it real soon...i mean, lin dan is getting better and better and i think the progress won't stop until he's like 28 to 30...taufik on the other hand has only a couple of years more to stay as competitive IMHO. I am a big taufik fan but I think lin dan will catch up on him real soon (as shown in the last game). The longer taufik waits, the smaller the chance for him to beat lin dan. I am saying this because taufik is very picky of the tournaments that he is joining. Well, maybe because of the injuries he suffered as what people say.

This is definatly pure media manipulation...

This is defintely purely your speculation. Do you have any evidence?

This is a chinese site of course they make the opponent look ugly
Look at how the comment they are all negative....

Can you actually read Chinese? Which articles made the opponent look ugly? Which
comments are all negative? Is this your speculation again?


they probably sensor all the good comments out and leave the bad one in LOL~


First of all, it's "censor", not "sensor". Looks like you not only cannot read Chinese,
but also have trouble with English, is this why you missed all the articles which
praised how well the non-Chinese teams played? :rolleyes:


Well Lin Dan himeself is probably the most arragont one out there,


Is this your speculation again? Were you there in Beijing during the tournament?
Did you go to all the Chinese team press conferences? Did you read any article
that talked about Lin Dan's arrogance? Taufik made the comment about how he's
going to beat Lin Dan in front of Lin Dan's homecrowd. If this is not arrogance, I
don't know what is. If you think that's a fabrication, why don't you write to Taufik
or the Indo badminton team to ask for clarification?


this guy hold strong grudge against Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat

A strong grudge? How do you know? Did you read Lin Dan's mind using a crystal
ball? It's fair to say that Lin Dan wanted to beat Peter Gade and Taufik
Hidayat pretty badly, and he did so in AE and Surdiman Cup respectively. How do
you know Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat don't hold a strong grudge against Lin
Dan? After all, they are the losers in their most recent matches against Lin Dan,
and we all know how some losers can be very bitter ....

newplayer

Taufik is not as young as lin dan...so if he is determined to break the tie (1-1 as kwun said hehe), he has to do it real soon...i mean, lin dan is getting better and better and i think the progress won't stop until he's like 28 to 30...taufik on the other hand has only a couple of years more to stay as competitive IMHO. I am a big taufik fan but I think lin dan will catch up on him real soon (as shown in the last game). The longer taufik waits, the smaller the chance for him to beat lin dan. I am saying this because taufik is very picky of the tournaments that he is joining. Well, maybe because of the injuries he suffered as what people say.

Thats a point, but on the other hand I think Taufik is like good wine. He gets better as he get older. His style of play is very technical and it takes less physical force than Lin Dan style of play. Chances are that Lin will get slower as he get older.

As you get older your physical abilities reduces but your skills, badminton fundamentals and experience is still there.

Lin has less variation of shots but he has very good fundamental shots, great physical ability and great mental strenght. He also can read the game and detect opponent weakness very well.

Taufik is very talented, he has a very wide variation of shots. His backhand is just amazing, probably one of the best backhand of the top 10 MS. He likes to play tight net shot followed by smash or drop. However, his physical abilities aren't as good as Lin Dan. His mental strenght also depend of his motivation.

IMO I think they both stand on the same level. It's a good thing that they tie 1-1 now, more spice in upcoming tournament ***World Cup***

I just hope Taufik won't lose motivation of playing... that will be very bad for badminton.

This is defintely purely your speculation. Do you have any evidence?



Can you actually read Chinese? Which articles made the opponent look ugly? Which
comments are all negative? Is this your speculation again?



First of all, it's "censor", not "sensor". Looks like you not only cannot read Chinese,
but also have trouble with English, is this why you missed all the articles which
praised how well the non-Chinese teams played? :rolleyes:



Is this your speculation again? Were you there in Beijing during the tournament?
Did you go to all the Chinese team press conferences? Did you read any article
that talked about Lin Dan's arrogance? Taufik made the comment about how he's
going to beat Lin Dan in front of Lin Dan's homecrowd. If this is not arrogance, I
don't know what is. If you think that's a fabrication, why don't you write to Taufik
or the Indo badminton team to ask for clarification?



A strong grudge? How do you know? Did you read Lin Dan's mind using a crystal
ball? It's fair to say that Lin Dan wanted to beat Peter Gade and Taufik
Hidayat pretty badly, and he did so in AE and Surdiman Cup respectively. How do
you know Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat don't hold a strong grudge against Lin
Dan? After all, they are the losers in their most recent matches against Lin Dan,
and we all know how some losers can be very bitter ....

newplayer
well the evidence is clear that Lin Dan is arrogant, this is most evident when he play against Peter Gade, during All England, did you see how rude he was on court, he was using hand sign to tell him to shut up
And also when the game ended when peter pat him on the back of the shoulder he swung his hand away
And to show that this guy is so arrogant, he even asked Ronald Susilo to shut up during the game when Ronald tries to argue with the umpire

And please dont post your hostility and sarcasm here, if you have something personal to say dont say it here. Peace

it was unfortunately that this thread is now closed. there were quite a bit of thoughtful discussion, but eventually turned into unconstructive comments.