View Full Version : Day 5 : semi-final 1 : Indonesia vs. Denmark


Melmel
05-13-2005, 12:28 PM
It has been annouced!

XS : Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Jens Eriksen/Kamila Rytter Juhl
MS : Taufik Hidayat vs Peter Gade
WS : Fransisca Ratnasari vs Camilla Sorensen
MD : Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen
WD :Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Halle Nielsen/Kamila Rytter Juhl

(ed: match starts 1pm Beijing time)

Mandark
05-13-2005, 12:35 PM
the game between Gade and Taufik must be the best match.I can't wait to see it.

m_poppema
05-13-2005, 12:36 PM
MS : Taufik Hidayat vs Peter Gade


WOW :eek: I have to see that match,..if I remember correctly, they played eachother at the AE semi's last year..
Peter won, 9 and 9, I bet Taufik is really eager to win this time..
It will be a great match, i'm sure!!

Melmel
05-13-2005, 12:36 PM
I'm wondering why they play Peter Gade instead of Kenneth? I think Kenneth is in top performance now...My prediction 3-2 for Indonesia, Denmark might get points from WD and MD:cool:

edwin
05-13-2005, 12:38 PM
the game between Gade and Taufik must be the best match.I can't wait to see it.
The Candra/Sigit match versus JR should also be as good - if not even better. Go JR go.

SteveStanley
05-13-2005, 12:39 PM
XD: INA 50 - DEN 50
MS: INA 55 - DEN 45
WS: INA 40 - DEN 60
MD: INA 50 - DEN 50
WD: INA 45 - DEN 55

It will be tough matches for both teams, I think INA will win by 3 - 2

ctjcad
05-13-2005, 12:40 PM
Hmm, I guess no rematch between Candra/Sigit against JEriksen/MLHansen..I suspect the Danes want to have JEriksen to play ONLY 1 tie and use a fresher pair in MD..I thought JEriksen/MLHansen have been having success against Candra/Sigit..However KRJuhl will have to play in 2 ties,hmm..
Again, IMO the XD will be the key tie for the Indo..Hmm, Luluk/Alven has only play 1 match so far in this SC-are the Indos saving them in case they reach the Finals??..

It should be a very entertaining Semis none the less..

It has been annouced!

XS : Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Jens Eriksen/Kamila Rytter Juhl
MS : Taufik Hidayat vs Peter Gade
WS : Fransisca Ratnasari vs Camilla Sorensen
MD : Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen
WD :Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Halle Nielsen/Kamila Rytter Juhl

Fook90
05-13-2005, 12:41 PM
Can anyone tell me wad time (SGP) does the matches start

bluejeff
05-13-2005, 12:48 PM
XD: INA 50 - DEN 50
MS: INA 55 - DEN 45
WS: INA 40 - DEN 60
MD: INA 50 - DEN 50
WD: INA 45 - DEN 55

It will be tough matches for both teams, I think INA will win by 3 - 2

In your predictions above, DEN should win by 3-2 :rolleyes: if both sides win a 50-50 game evenly.

kevin&sandy
05-13-2005, 12:54 PM
Can anyone tell me wad time (SGP) does the matches start

It starts at 1.00pm

with tine out... i think indon has a better chance of winning the ws and denmark has the upper hand in mixed. this is a very close match. let's see;)

Wong8Egg
05-13-2005, 01:33 PM
I'm wondering why they play Peter Gade instead of Kenneth? I think Kenneth is in top performance now...My prediction 3-2 for Indonesia, Denmark might get points from WD and MD:cool:

Maybe they're saving kenneth for the final, but I doubt if Peter Gade can out play Taufik. :rolleyes:

ctjcad
05-13-2005, 01:39 PM
That's 1:00PM China time.
U.S. time is tonight(Friday/Sat.) @ 10PM(Pacific),11 PM(Mountain), 12PM(Central/Midwest), 1 AM(Eastern).
Europe is either 7AM or 6AM, depending where you are..

For XD, i think it's 50-50-it depends how Nova will do and if they can keep the shuttles low consistently and be consistent at net plays as they are facing 2 tall Danes..No more excuse(s) for the Indos as they have 2 days of rest already and be prepared..And now is not the time to panic and be nervous..
Hmm, I actually want to see how Flandy would fare playing with Lilyana..

It starts at 1.00pm

with tine out... i think indon has a better chance of winning the ws and denmark has the upper hand in mixed. this is a very close match. let's see;)

Gade supporter
05-13-2005, 01:53 PM
Everytime that Denmark has played in a tournament for your team. Kenneth has always been starting at first spot in the group stage and then Peter is playing in the final matches. Denmark will never choose Kenneth over Peter. Remember last time there was a sudirman cup. Peter had just got back from his injury and was about 70 world ranked, and Kenneth was number 4. Who did they choose? Peter of course. So he is definetely going to play in the final as well.

wirre
05-13-2005, 02:08 PM
Is the danish WD a scratch pair? If so, wouldn't Mette (unless sick/injured) be a better choice than Helle?

This really is a great draw, 3 world class performances to hope for (XD, MD and MS) and two events (WS and WD) with maybe little lower quality but equally as unpredictable and with possibility to be as exciting for the total outcome. More or less there is no clear favourite in any of the five events, just slight advantages here and there....

/ mats

It has been annouced!

XS : Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Jens Eriksen/Kamila Rytter Juhl
MS : Taufik Hidayat vs Peter Gade
WS : Fransisca Ratnasari vs Camilla Sorensen
MD : Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen
WD :Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Halle Nielsen/Kamila Rytter Juhl

AustrianPower
05-13-2005, 02:21 PM
Of course Peter Gade is playing! Who is Kenneth Jonassen? He is nothing compared to Gade.

Crazy discussion here!

Brave_Turtle
05-13-2005, 02:34 PM
Of course Peter Gade is playing! Who is Kenneth Jonassen? He is nothing compared to Gade.

Crazy discussion here!

Kenneth has been way more efficient than Gade these days. Also, he's been living under gade shadow for too long.

Saying he's a nobody is kinda Hrmmm... Beside he jut broke fastest smash record for single player! :p

Not that I'm saying gade can't win tomorrow against Taufik but I'm just trying to say that fielding Kenneth wouldn't be an error. It would be even more logical.

AustrianPower
05-13-2005, 02:36 PM
Kenneth has been way more efficient than Gade these days. Also, he's been living under gade shadow for too long.

Saying he's a nobody is kinda Hrmmm... Beside he jut broke fastest smash record for single player! :p

Not that I'm saying gade can't win tomorrow against Taufik but I'm just trying to say that fielding Kenneth wouldn't be an error. It would be even more logical.

Sorry! I cannot agree: Kenneth never beat Taufik. Peter Gade did. The Head-to-Head is 7-3! :D

Brave_Turtle
05-13-2005, 03:00 PM
Sorry! I cannot agree: Kenneth never beat Taufik. Peter Gade did. The Head-to-Head is 7-3! :D

Head-to-head record is sometimes not a good indicator.

Here is some important facts. Taufik took 3-4 games to have his first victory over Gade. But you have to realize that he won the last 2 important meeting Olympic and JO (excluding Copenhagen Masters).

As for Kenneth he only played 2 games against Taufik. Oh yeah, it would not hurt if you show some respect for Kenneth...

SteveStanley
05-13-2005, 03:39 PM
He he, you're right, I'm not consistent :confused:

It will be interesting and closed games ...

In your predictions above, DEN should win by 3-2 :rolleyes: if both sides win a 50-50 game evenly.

other
05-13-2005, 03:57 PM
Of course Peter Gade is playing! Who is Kenneth Jonassen? He is nothing compared to Gade.

Crazy discussion here!

lol...jonassen is the player directly above gade in the world rankings:p:rolleyes::rolleyes: and yes they have both played 10 tournaments:p

Qidong
05-13-2005, 04:47 PM
XD: INA 49 - DEN 51 <==
MS: INA 55 - DEN 45
WS: INA 40 - DEN 60
MD: INA 49 - DEN 51 <==
WD: INA 45 - DEN 55

It will be tough matches for both teams, I think INA will win by 3 - 2

I think Denmark has a very slight edge in XD and MD. I will predict Demark win by 4 - 1. By the way, Indonesia is not sending Hadiyanto/Alven. I thought they are better than Sigit/Chandra at this moment.

peace
05-13-2005, 06:05 PM
XS : Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Jens Eriksen/Kamila Rytter Juhl
MS : Taufik Hidayat vs Peter Gade
WS : Fransisca Ratnasari vs Camilla Sorensen
MD : Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen
WD :Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Halle Nielsen/Kamila Rytter Juhl





Here is my prediction :
XD : It is still 50-50...The Danish pair is new, usually I think Jens is paired
with Mette...hmm but this new pair beated Lee/Ra..so seems also a
good pair and also Indonesian pair...so the match will be tight
MS : Due to the performance recently and the last two meetings between
them, I guess Taufik will win...
WS : 50-50....both are not a really good one
MD : 45-55
WD : 50-50

Hmm...it will be a quite tight match....wanna see it now:D ....
I guess Indonesia win 3-2

apontoh
05-13-2005, 06:34 PM
Indonesia 3-2;)

badplayer2004
05-13-2005, 08:36 PM
just read the article in IBF site..that the danes look forward to playing the indonesians than the chinese.....they must have got some sort of sino phobia after all their encounters in the past.....:rolleyes:

as i think the indonesians and koreans are to be "feared" as well as the chinese :D

badplayer2004
05-13-2005, 08:43 PM
Everytime that Denmark has played in a tournament for your team. Kenneth has always been starting at first spot in the group stage and then Peter is playing in the final matches. Denmark will never choose Kenneth over Peter. Remember last time there was a sudirman cup. Peter had just got back from his injury and was about 70 world ranked, and Kenneth was number 4. Who did they choose? Peter of course. So he is definetely going to play in the final as well.

i think they need Peter because in the finals they need more "trickier" kind of players to beat superior opponents..the problem with Peter is his consistency.... maybe due to age or injury (or possible the top players are all famillar with Peter's style in their home review/practice) ;)

as he is a stepping stone/STANDARD to beat if you want to be in the level of top players.

i mean if you cant beat Peter but you won against taufik or lindan it was just luck :D

in the case of lindan is his speed,strength and endurance is good enough for even technically superior opponents :rolleyes:

for me,the real threat to the chinese are the indonesians in the MS,MD

then the koreans in the XD

as WS and WD is already a given :rolleyes:

badplayer2004
05-13-2005, 08:54 PM
frankly, i think most teams are trained to be chinese team "killers" as priority :D

notice they tend to look over other opponents as mere stepping stone to reach to fight the chinese:cool:

kwun
05-13-2005, 11:23 PM
ARE YOU READY???

40mins to go. i waited for the whole day already.

just need to get comfortable on my chair, get some drinks and snack, and enjoy the whole evening of badminton. oh yeah.

shawn30_k
05-13-2005, 11:28 PM
yea that 2004 ae match was cool.taufik lokked very positive at teh begining of those match.but that wasnt the last time they played.it was the olympics qf where taufik beat peter in a really hardfought 2 sets.WOW :eek: I have to see that match,..if I remember correctly, they played eachother at the AE semi's last year..
Peter won, 9 and 9, I bet Taufik is really eager to win this time..
It will be a great match, i'm sure!!

shawn30_k
05-13-2005, 11:29 PM
hey kwun do you have to stay up late just to watch this.

kwun
05-13-2005, 11:37 PM
hey kwun do you have to stay up late just to watch this.

yeah. it's only sleep. badminton more important!

DaN_fAn
05-13-2005, 11:37 PM
Perhaps Tine rasmussen's injury could make the difference,else Denmark could have secured a pt in WS.And i think it is a good decision to play peter inspite of kenneth's gr8 form simply because,won or lost peter is the only one who knows his game well,as he's played quite a few times with him recently. Goody!!i cant wait for the matches to begin.[And i am only following the score:p ]

DaN_fAn
05-13-2005, 11:39 PM
yeah. it's only sleep. badminton more important!
Do u actually get to 'watch' it in the US,...or are u just following the score like me.

kwun
05-13-2005, 11:42 PM
Do u actually get to 'watch' it in the US,...or are u just following the score like me.

you don't read the stickies in this forum, do you? ;)

kwun
05-13-2005, 11:43 PM
sigh. why today? for all the days that my stupid DSL provider decides to be flakey, they chose today. i got kicked out for 15 mins just now. i hope it will stay up for the rest of the night.

DaN_fAn
05-13-2005, 11:48 PM
you don't read the stickies in this forum, do you? ;)
No dude , That's the first thing I do.unfortunately all i have is a 128kbps internet connection.And all i can catch on cctv5 is 1 second of the matches for which i need to wait for atleast 3 minutes :crying: .So,are u actually able to see the videos 'streaming' continuosly.What's ur net speed?

kwun
05-13-2005, 11:52 PM
No dude , That's the first thing I do.unfortunately all i have is a 128kbps internet connection.And all i can catch on cctv5 is 1 second of the matches for which i need to wait for atleast 3 minutes :crying: .So,are u actually able to see the videos 'streaming' continuosly.What's ur net speed?

128k is too slow. the stream is 330k so there is no way it will fit. i have a 2M connection. i managed to get smooth video last night. tonight might be a bit more tricky as there are many more people online: 3500+

dAzEY
05-13-2005, 11:53 PM
yes! 5 minutes to the game! :D

DaN_fAn
05-14-2005, 12:01 AM
128k is too slow. the stream is 330k so there is no way it will fit. i have a 2M connection. i managed to get smooth video last night. tonight might be a bit more tricky as there are many more people online: 3500+
Oh!no wonder i could n't watch. 3500+..Guess the server's going to take it's toll today.
Anyways ,getting back, How is the order in which the MS ,WS...etc games ,are to be played decided??coz i see that there is not any particular order for the games.

kwun
05-14-2005, 12:01 AM
ordering is:

XD
MS
WS
MD
WD

catman
05-14-2005, 12:08 AM
Oh!no wonder i could n't watch. 3500+..Guess the server's going to take it's toll today.
Anyways ,getting back, How is the order in which the MS ,WS...etc games ,are to be played decided??coz i see that there is not any particular order for the games.
My understanding with coolstream more people the better and higher the quality:) - sort of like bitstream - it's based on the same technology.
Catman

komodo dragon
05-14-2005, 12:09 AM
Does anyone know of a way to save the match im streaming from the internet onto the hard disk?
thanks

DaN_fAn
05-14-2005, 12:09 AM
ordering is:

XD
MS
WS
MD
WD

Yes.this has generally been the order and shall be the same today.BUt,i just rechecked it seems for a few previous matches ,here and there ,the order has been different.Any definite reason for the same??

Brave_Turtle
05-14-2005, 12:18 AM
woww Natsir playing so well

kwun
05-14-2005, 12:27 AM
Indonesia won first game, 15-4.

the major difference is the lady. Natsir is fast, accurate, and all her block goes down and towards the floor. while Juhl was much slower, cover less of the net and whenever she blocks, it is flat and slow. that alone made all the difference in the game.

Brave_Turtle
05-14-2005, 12:30 AM
Seems that Danemark XD is being outplay. Natsir actually made more than Widianto, shes so efficient on the net.

If I was Erikson I would attack widianto instead of Natsir, since she retreive all the shots

apontoh
05-14-2005, 12:42 AM
wow, its quite a one-sided game so far...;)

apontoh
05-14-2005, 12:45 AM
1-0 for Indonesia:cool:

kwun
05-14-2005, 12:47 AM
not much change in the second game, Juhl continues to be slow and inconsistent, and Natsir keep on playing her fast and accurate game, not allowing any shots passing through the net and pressurizing and penetrating the Danes. there is completely no match.

but this just confirms that in a XD game, the lady player is the crucial player. most guy can do big jumpsmashes and drives, but that won't happen unless the lady sets one up.

next up will be the most anticipated match, Gade vs. Taufik. what a treat for badminton fans today.

ctjcad
05-14-2005, 12:50 AM
Indo's XD just won in straight sets...
Yep, as expected Natsir was the one that control the game, I saw her play at recent Swiss Open and she is quite fast, consistent and very "brave" at the net..Her defense was good also, esp. when Eriksen was smashing, his smashes kept returning back...It would be interesting if Indo goes on to the Final, hopefully China can make it..I want to see how Natsir will fare against Gao Ling... :rolleyes:

BTW Kwun, you should upgrade your broadband service to cable..Mine is cable and it's smooth streaming, only a few rare hiccups...

Now, on to the MS..Let's see if PGade can put up a fight and match against Taufik...:).

Brave_Turtle
05-14-2005, 12:51 AM
I gotta wake up at 6 am tomorrow and its 2 am now but who cares :D

Gade Vs Taufik what a threat. Whenever those 2 play I don't mind who will win since they are both my favourite players.

I think taufik will win it in rubber

catman
05-14-2005, 12:51 AM
Does anyone know of a way to save the match im streaming from the internet onto the hard disk?
thanks
KD,
Here is a method from another poster in another forum never tried it myself good luck:
To record you have to download net transport

http://www.xi-soft.com/download.htm (http://www.xi-soft.com/download.htm)

It usually takes 240 megas for 1 hour play. The steps are as follows now:

1. Start coolstreaming.

2. Player starts broadcasting.

3. In Player go to File

4. Go to Properties

5. Go to IP and copy the IP number with Ctrl C

6. Open Net Transport

7. Open New Job

8. Paste the IP number with Ctrl V

Recording starts automatically.

9. Once you are finished recording, go to the file and rename it.

Note. If you start recording and pause recording... you will loose all you recorded if you start recording again. In other words, whenever you put pause and you want to keep the recordings, rename the file and start again.

kwun
05-14-2005, 12:55 AM
interesting start to the game. after Gade lost two rallies due to unforced error, both are quite careful.

3-1 Gade now.

kwun
05-14-2005, 12:59 AM
Gade is a different man. very composed and seems to have gained and more frequently using more shot variations than before. many shots are well calculated.

Taufik is just his normal self.

but game just started. let see how the game goes when the temperature goes up.

Hugo
05-14-2005, 12:59 AM
How's the cool stream quality right now folks?

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:06 AM
streaming is pretty good. it takes 10min or so for it to stabilize. so far it has been smooth.

Gade's refined his court coverage, often chose to stretch to cover instead of moving. probably a way to economize his movements.

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:09 AM
Gade did a series of deceptive shot made Taufik scrambled to the back rear court and eventually hit out. if given enough time, Gade can do some pretty nice deceptive shots.

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:11 AM
8-6 Taufik. game is still very tight. each side have their chances to control the pace of the rally. the variation in pace and placement is very very subtle.

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:17 AM
10-11 gade service.

Taufik's jumpsmashes are less accurate than before. often went wildly out.

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:20 AM
Gade is soon gonna earn the honor to be a crafty old folk. he seems to have gained quite a few trick shots in his bag of tricks.

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:23 AM
a questionalbe line call on Taufik's sideline too some concentration Gade. 14-10 now.

Brave_Turtle
05-14-2005, 01:24 AM
If I get disconnect, should I just press play in order to make it work again or I have to connect again?

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:25 AM
another close call really annoyed Gade. unfortunately, even with the replay, i think both are too close to call from the camera angle. the margin is only millimeters.

German Player
05-14-2005, 01:25 AM
yeah cool-streming roxx


gade will do it now :)

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:25 AM
If I get disconnect, should I just press play in order to make it work again or I have to connect again?

just double click CCTV5 on coolstreaming again.

apontoh
05-14-2005, 01:27 AM
the streaming is perfect!

Brave_Turtle
05-14-2005, 01:27 AM
just double click CCTV5 on coolstreaming again.

Thanks Kwun I appreciate it.

Woah seems that I missed the best part :crying:

Taufik is on fire now

catman
05-14-2005, 01:28 AM
If I get disconnect, should I just press play in order to make it work again or I have to connect again?
I usually just kill media player and right click on coolstream icon and select play cctv - it read load the media player and works ok
catman

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:28 AM
agree. badminton fans owes the inventor of coolstream a big one.

Gade completely lost concentration in the start of the 2nd game. 4-0 Taufik now.

5-0 now.

Gade is still unhappy from the bad calls. get over it and play the game!

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:32 AM
1-8 Gade. he needs to regain his composure.

as Ji Xinpeng the commentator says, after a tight first game with questionable calls, if a player doesn't regain his concentration, that is fatal.

3-8 Gade.

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:34 AM
Taufik is like Mr No-Emotion. never know what he is thinking.

Gade got a few good rallies and kilers in, but didin't capitalize on the score, still 3-8.

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:38 AM
Taufik's killer is his smash. he can aim both sidelines so well he can pressure his opponents to scramble a return and then Taufik just run up to the net and usually a couple of fast kills will gain him the rally.

13-3 now. all is lost for Gade. i don't see it in his eyes that he has the will to come back, i am afraid.

Brave_Turtle
05-14-2005, 01:41 AM
Taufik been superior in net. After Gade lift, Taufik had the choice to do killer smash or drop it in corners.

cxytdn
05-14-2005, 01:42 AM
15-10, 15-3 for INA

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:42 AM
Taufik win 15/10 - 15/3.

first game was really close, they are only a couple of points apart until 10-10. and then with a couple of bad calls, Gade lost his concentration and lost the first game.

in the 2nd game, Gade is a totally different person. he didn't look too motivated. i am not sure he was still troubled by the line calls or was his stamina getting to him. he lost the speed he had in game 1 and Taufik eventually capitalized on it and won the 2nd game easily.

Indonesia 2 - Denmark 0

mulliet
05-14-2005, 01:42 AM
Taufik been superior in net. After Gade lift, Taufik had the choice to do killer smash or drop it in corners.

Taufik played awesome :)... 15 10 15 3...

economet
05-14-2005, 01:43 AM
Wow!
Taufik is top in form. He found his Olympic form again.
Hope We will see a match between Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan in the finals match and can judge who the better one is.

I can't wait till tomorrow.

apontoh
05-14-2005, 01:45 AM
is it Taufik really in top form or is it just not Gade's day?

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:46 AM
Wow!
Taufik is top in form. He found his Olympic form again.
Hope We will see a match between Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan in the finals match and can judge who the better one is.

I can't wait till tomorrow.

from this point on, it will be quite difficult for Denmark to win. they need to win all of WS, MD and WD. none of which they have a clear lead. there will be a lot of pressure on the players.

Brave_Turtle
05-14-2005, 01:47 AM
We want Taufik Vs Lin Dan!!!

If Taufik plays like today, I hope Lin dan won't play like he played in first set against Sony

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 01:47 AM
as the commentator says...Peter insist on playing a certain style....

that could have limited his variety of shots into predictability

like he dont hit his opponents(gentlemanly?) like he is into more graceful "artistic" style of playing(proper shot placement)..but the high levels these days demand streetbrawl anything goes to win......:rolleyes:

maybe age is getting to him..sad to see him go away like camilla did...:(

also Peter seem to has lesser aggressive teeth/heat in him than newer players these days

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:48 AM
is it Taufik really in top form or is it just not Gade's day?

i tend to agree. Taufik is in good form. but mostly was given away by Gade. if Gade had kept up the pace like the first 3/4 of game 1, the result may not be so one sided.

WS starting now.

sonosun
05-14-2005, 01:49 AM
There is no sound in my coolstreaming. Anybody knows what the problem is?

CanuckBur
05-14-2005, 01:50 AM
Gade was very upset with the last bad call. Did he throw his racquet on the floor? Or just swung his racquet on the floor?

Hugo
05-14-2005, 01:50 AM
Oh boy, Denmark is in deep trouble. But, perhaps Indonesia's best two disciplines(in comparison to Denmark) are done.

Not all is not yet for the Danes. But wouldn't they feel a bit less distraught had they had Queen Camilla in the lineup?? :)

apontoh
05-14-2005, 01:51 AM
I don't have enough bandwidth to watch the remaining matches and expect to have enough for tomorrow's finals so I'll refrain from watching the livestream...save it for tomorrow's finals :D

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 01:51 AM
There is no sound in my coolstreaming. Anybody knows what the problem is?

mine is fine

its actualy slightly delayed compared to Live TV

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:53 AM
Gade was very upset with the last bad call. Did he throw his racquet on the floor? Or just swung his racquet on the floor?

he made that gesture, but didn't actually do it.

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 01:53 AM
a plain case of taufik in his form and gade not.... :o

Hugo
05-14-2005, 01:53 AM
I don't have enough bandwidth to watch the remaining matches and expect to have enough for tomorrow's finals so I'll refrain from watching the livestream...save it for tomorrow's finals :D

I want to watch the livestream but with a half dozen simultaneous downloads going, it's probably gonna glog down to snail speed and/or crash the comp!

Gotta catch the live scoring and the BF updates!

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:54 AM
from the first 6 points of the WS. it looks like Sorensen should be able to beat Hari. Hari is rather slow and miles apart from the best WS players. Sorensen is not close either but certain a better player.

economet
05-14-2005, 01:56 AM
i tend to agree. Taufik is in good form. but mostly was given away by Gade. if Gade had kept up the pace like the first 3/4 of game 1, the result may not be so one sided.

WS starting now.

I didn't see the first set. ;)
I've just read the posts by Kwun how the first set was.
Maybe Gade is still a little bit tired by his match against Lee Hyunil which lasted more than 90 min.

It was always the same in the last tournaments that Gade played excellently but after a long match he lost in the next round without that superb level of concentration.

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 01:57 AM
am actually more disappointed with the XD dane battle performance than the MS

eriksen sub his par and juhl burdening him further

kwun
05-14-2005, 01:57 AM
from the first 6 points of the WS. it looks like Sorensen should be able to beat Hari. Hari is rather slow and miles apart from the best WS players. Sorensen is not close either but certain a better player.

Hari is only reactive so far, Sorensen is the rally maker and actually try to do something with the birdie. i am not sure if that's just the way Hari plays, or if that is a tactic to wear out Sorensen.

ctjcad
05-14-2005, 01:58 AM
Yes, I agree, the Danes are not done yet...They still could win the next 3, but it will be hard work and uphill..

The Indo WS is not as consistent and good in shot selection..A lot of mistakes..Everytime Camilla Sorensen smashes or return the shots, Fransisca always return it high with a clear and easy for the Danes to keep on smashing..She needs to slow the shuttle down and play more net, mix it up like what Taufik did against Gade-high ball and low ball..mix 'em up..
Perhaps this is her first time playing a team event, a case of early jitters...Hope she can regroup and play normally, hey where's Hendrawan to coach her..

Oh boy, Denmark is in deep trouble. But, perhaps Indonesia's best two disciplines(in comparison to Denmark) are done.

Not all is not yet for the Danes. But wouldn't they feel a bit less distraught had they had Queen Camilla in the lineup?? :)

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 01:59 AM
lookes like the danes got a new camilla!! :D

the lone girl against the chinese army :p

but first..she must pass the WS standard test as in mia :)

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:01 AM
Yes, I agree, the Danes are not done yet...They still could win the next 3, but it will be hard work and uphill..

The Indo WS is not as consistent and good in shot selection..A lot of mistakes..Everytime Camilla Sorensen smashes or return the shots, Fransisca always return it high with a clear and easy for the Danes to keep on smashing..She needs to slow the shuttle down and play more net, mix it up like what Taufik did against Gade-high ball and low ball..mix 'em up..
Perhaps this is her first time playing a team event, a case of early jitters...Hope she can regroup and play normally, hey where's Hendrawan to coach her..

i don't think she is capable of. she didn't look like she is very into the match. something that i have noticed before in team matches where the INA ladies are playing. a stark contrast from the great Susi Susanti. seems to be lacking something in their motivation or fighting spirit.

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:03 AM
11-3 Denmark take first game.

all credit to Sorensen who did all the work of setting up her own rally and keeping up the pace. quite disappointed by the Indonesian lady who didn't show much fighting spirit.

the whole crowd is shouting "Ga You" in Chinese, i wonder who they are cheering for?? :)

ctjcad
05-14-2005, 02:04 AM
looks like the Chinese are supporting /cheering for CSorensen...Seems like Fransisca is jittery and not thinking with her shots..

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:05 AM
the stadium is cheering for Sorensen, and i think she deserves it too.

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:05 AM
hari played like a little girl

chinese crowd just showing their jitters to the coming final fight with the indonesians :rolleyes:

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:09 AM
hari played like a little girl

chinese crowd just showing their jitters to the coming final fight with the indonesians :rolleyes:

i don't think it is completely over for Denmark. Sorensen should take this point for Denmark. and then JR/LP have a good chance against Sigit/Candra.

then when WD is left, the real fight will start! (and i will lose a lot of sleep...)

niepan
05-14-2005, 02:09 AM
hari played like a little girl

chinese crowd just showing their jitters to the coming final fight with the indonesians :rolleyes:

At least my classmates and I all hope Denmark will win

ctjcad
05-14-2005, 02:09 AM
the 1st set was too fast, maybe even played less than 10 minutes..too much fast rallies by both players..Fransisca needs to vary her shots more and take her time, slow down the birdie..It seems she just hits the shuttle as it comes to her without thinking to either vary her shots pace and angle..Anyway, win or lose, it will be a good experience for her, first time participating in a team event..

11-3 Denmark take first game.

all credit to Sorensen who did all the work of setting up her own rally and keeping up the pace. quite disappointed by the Indonesian lady who didn't show much fighting spirit.

the whole crowd is shouting "Ga You" in Chinese, i wonder who they are cheering for?? :)

CanuckBur
05-14-2005, 02:10 AM
The Japanese umpire, Sano, has a habit of saying "two" as "ni (in Japanese for two)".

Just now, he was corrected by an official, the umpire apologized and changed "ni" to "two".

It was strange to hear "ni" three, "ni" four, etc.

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:13 AM
Hari seems to have waken up and more alert than before.

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:14 AM
lookes like it will be decided by the energy left for sorensen for her playing style :rolleyes:

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:17 AM
lookes like it will be decided by the energy left for sorensen for her playing style :rolleyes:

she seems to have plenty so far. but she did do quite a few jumpsmashes.

Hari moves very slowly around the court. Sorensen isn't taking advantage of that. and Hari seems to be taking advantage of Sorensen by trying to prolong the rally.

catman
05-14-2005, 02:18 AM
lookes like it will be decided by the energy left for sorensen for her playing style :rolleyes:
It appears Hari's the one taking the naps on court - she must have hit the deck at least half a dozen times now

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:19 AM
i don't think it is completely over for Denmark. Sorensen should take this point for Denmark. and then JR/LP have a good chance against Sigit/Candra.

then when WD is left, the real fight will start! (and i will lose a lot of sleep...)

so far...on tossed up (50/50) games like the next MD or WD..the indos are winning :cool:

they are in better form in comparison to the danes

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:21 AM
credit to hari is that she does seem to play her heart out..despite the crowd....:p

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:23 AM
perhaps the danes are geared up/prepared this tournament to beat the chinese and overlook other teams

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:27 AM
maybe Hari has something we don't know. with Sorensen a bit carried away in the second game, she have spent a bit of energy staying in the offense. the 3rd game will be quite interesting.

ctjcad
05-14-2005, 02:28 AM
Fransisca won the 2nd set and is the result of her playing under control and more "smart" now, eventhough she still hits some bad shots..She is mixing the shots with more variety, not just simple clear and high returns, making Camilla run from back to front and back...Third set will be a battle of the "fit"..:).

Hari seems to have waken up and more alert than before.

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:33 AM
seems sorensen running out of steam.the second game has decided the winner of the match

and hari grew out of her first game jitters/nervous/tension

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:35 AM
seems sorensen running out of steam.the second game has decided the winner of the match

Hari now leading 6-1. a risky strategy from the start to let Sorensen lose her energy? perhaps they already know Sorensen's game. crafty indeed if that is the case.

i want to watch MD!!!

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:39 AM
Hari now leading 6-1. a risky strategy from the start to let Sorensen lose her energy? perhaps they already know Sorensen's game. crafty indeed if that is the case.

i want to watch MD!!!

yes,sorensen missed her chance for the match in the second game..3rd is more formality..as their individual momentum changed drastically in the 2nd game


same as MS (peter/taufik) first game almost already decided the match

SteveStanley
05-14-2005, 02:40 AM
Wow, who would think INA could beat DEN 3 - 0? Their target is only to reach semi and now they could be in final.

kevin&sandy
05-14-2005, 02:41 AM
yes,sorensen missed her chance for the match in the second game..3rd is more formality..as their individual momentum changed drastically in the 2nd game

i think sorenson confidence was shattered a bit during the very last moment.:crying: :crying: :crying:

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:44 AM
the reason chinese girls are dominant is because other countries dont have as strong program for their women players

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:46 AM
what happened to sorensen is famillar.....:o

i played XD in a tournament.....my role was smasher killer

won 8 straight games with my partner and LOST the last 2 games (9 and 10) due to over exertion

my arm was sore for over 2 months after that :crying:

my friends tell me in our games during the tournament.they can see afar/at a distance that it was us/ME playing as they can see only ONE person jumping,flying around out of the 4 people in the court...lol

realize my main sin is lack of variety as in like taufik changing tactics in the middle of the match to suit the opponent

kwun
05-14-2005, 02:46 AM
Wow, who would think INA could beat DEN 3 - 0? Their target is only to reach semi and now they could be in final.

bad luck for Denmark really. no one expected them to lose Tine Rasmussen in the group matches. as for Sorensen, i must give her credit for her fighting spirit throughout the match and never give in. but we can tell that she slowly lost her touch especially at the net where she net into the net in quite a few occasions, including the match point.

and Hari, i cannot tell if that was a deliberate tactic to wear out Sorensen or just happens that way, but it was true that she played much slower and much more poorly in the first game and a half. her consistency improved at the end of the match.

ctjcad
05-14-2005, 02:48 AM
Game, set, match, Indo is in the Finals..Fransisca play wonderfully and finally shaked off the jitters..2nd and 3rd sets were much different game, as some of you noticed Fransisca varied her shots more and she basically controlled the net more as the game progress..IMO, that is the key, as in the 1st set, I saw almost none of it..
Also, it seems like the last couple of match points were hard for her to finish off...Good experience for her..

I don't know if anyone noticed or not, but I thought Fransisca's weakness are her backhand and defense..She will need to work on those in the future..

IMO, the Indos are lucky as Tine Rasmussen wasn't able to play..If she played, most likely she'll win and force MD and WD ties..But this time, the Indos lucked out..I just wondered, why CSorensen need to do jumpsmashes so often, especially in the first set..After that, she doesn't have much game left..I thought by doing that, it tired her out, I guess she doesn't have much game plan/strategy for this match..

Now, there's only 1 showdown left between Korea and China to decide who'll play Indonesia..Who will come out on top??Who'll feel the pressure??..I'll say the "Looser" team will win the SF later today..:).

Hari now leading 6-1. a risky strategy from the start to let Sorensen lose her energy? perhaps they already know Sorensen's game. crafty indeed if that is the case.

i want to watch MD!!!

SteveStanley
05-14-2005, 02:51 AM
Well, the good news is that probably we get to watch Taufik vs Lin Dan tomorrow, if China makes it to the final, which shouldn't be a problem.

Congrats, INA, they often do better in team tournament even though they are underdog.

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 02:53 AM
actually..i think unlike most other teams..only the chinese never underestimated the indonesians

as in when it comes to a slugfest or crunch time..the indos will fight their hearts out....

if you notice...even if LYB announce his players can beat the indonesians...he dont even bother to mention other teams as threats...:rolleyes:

*~Taufik~*
05-14-2005, 03:30 AM
CONGRATS to the indos!!! well done man! but a pity we can't catch the MD....

kwun
05-14-2005, 03:33 AM
CONGRATS to the indos!!! well done man! but a pity we can't catch the MD....

yeah. i agree. what a pity. i was looking forward to the MD too. I am sure JR was already there ready to play, but unfortunately, it was not to be. JR did his best and won all his matches, just like last SC in 2003!

peace
05-14-2005, 03:34 AM
Congratulations for Indonesia.....
Now they are in the final and big possibility they will face China....

It was a surprise that INA won by 3-0 directly...IMO, Indonesia will win but not with 3-0....amazing !!!!!

kwun
05-14-2005, 03:45 AM
after the match, Gade admitted that he was not happy about the line calls during the match.

he says Taufik is back to his top form like in the Olympics. but he also says luck was also on Taufik side today (because of the line call)

Gade says if Lin Dan wants to beat Taufik, Lin must be in his 100% form and must work very hard.

when asked who will win, Gade didn't answer.

apontoh
05-14-2005, 03:51 AM
If China plays Indonesia tomorrow, I think the key will lie in XD (first match). If Indonesia loses this one, then China is pretty much assured victory unless a miracle happens in WS or WD for the Indonesians.
Who's got the edge in XD, considering form etc.??

SteveStanley
05-14-2005, 03:57 AM
INA can only win over CHN if they win XD, MS, and MD. INA pretty much don't have a chance on WS and WD.

ctjcad
05-14-2005, 04:00 AM
Yes, i feel the XD will be key to Indonesia in tomorrow's final. I highly doubt their WS or WD will win a pt.(not like today where the Danes lost the WS tie), unless they got very lucky and a miracle happen..
Whether it will be the first match or last, I think it could be the last one also, as to make the whole tournament dramatic..It should be fun to watch none the less..

If China plays Indonesia tomorrow, I think the key will lie in XD (first match). If Indonesia loses this one, then China is pretty much assured victory unless a miracle happens in WS or WD for the Indonesians.
Who's got the edge in XD, considering form etc.??

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 04:09 AM
yes,miracle is needed by the indonesians tomorrow against the women,any SINGLE "bad luck" in the XD,MS,MD would be the indo's doom too:rolleyes:

no wonder the chinese wants to be sure their women's win is locked in

then just a SINGLE "luck" either in the XD,MS or MD to get the cup :p

as they certainly are toss ups IMO.....:cool:

luck is defined as opponents of about equal strength with only the breaks of the game deciding the outcome

badplayer2004
05-14-2005, 04:17 AM
perhaps the chinese coach fielding 2nd liner women against the koreans is their decision if they cant win over the koreans overall tonite they wont "deserve" win against the indo's tomorrow anyway:cool:

so the chinese gambit is either 3rd place or 1st place..or maybe they just dont want to risk losing to the indonesians especially in the homeground :cool:

aiyuuw
05-14-2005, 06:06 AM
oh god, when me and my dad was watching the last game of fransisca and camilla, that fight for that last one point was nervewracking,:eek: , and i, for the firs time noticed that fransisca was super tiny
neway, any1 notice that sony seems to be skinnier?

capiozz
05-14-2005, 08:04 AM
cant watch it live. try all the websites found in this webpage but none working for me stating error:confused::crying:

yuval_ba
05-14-2005, 08:54 AM
cant watch it live. try all the websites found in this webpage but none working for me stating error:confused::crying:

*** damn, just spend 15min writing a post and a timeout during Preview got it all lost :crying: ***

I was thinking if you happen to receive Eurosport channel.
Today for the first time I watched badminton on TV :D
Eurosport is covering the Sudirman Cup, and today I saw the DEN vs INA SF.
They will also cover the Finals tomorrow, here is the schedual for any one who can receive the channel:
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s10000/tvschedule_lng0_spo10000_prs3_ven0.shtml

PS
I must say I was disappointed by the Gade-Hidayat match.
I like both players, but hoped for Gade to win. I also think, (I know I could be *wrong*) that the line calls were against him. first call looked on the line to me, and the winning shot by Taufik looked wide to me (it was deceiving because of the shuttle angel, feathers are in but base landing out), again, this is just from watching on TV, but if Gade was upset and he was closer than everyone else, it means there is place for doubt here.
This makes you wonder how things could have looked is a cetain call was different.
I think there is no room for such doubts, if today's technology can allow to rule such calls with much more certainty, WHY NOT USE IT ???
I always praise badminton as being easy to judge (as compare to Squach for instanse) but it seems the line calls still leave room for bad calls and it should stop.

hope this is last time I write this post :D

Yuval

capiozz
05-14-2005, 09:01 AM
*** damn, just spend 15min writing a post and a timeout during Preview got it all lost :crying: ***

I was thinking if you happen to receive Eurosport channel.
Today for the first time I watched badminton on TV :D
Eurosport is covering the Sudirman Cup, and today I saw the DEN vs INA SF.
They will also cover the Finals tomorrow, here is the schedual for any one who can receive the channel:
http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s10000/tvschedule_lng0_spo10000_prs3_ven0.shtml

PS
I must say I was disappointed by the Gade-Hidayat match.
I like both players, but hoped for Gade to win. I also think, (I know I could be *wrong*) that the line calls were against him. first call looked on the line to me, and the winning shot by Taufik looked wide to me (it was deceiving because of the shuttle angel, feathers are in but base landing out), again, this is just from watching on TV, but if Gade was upset and he was closer than everyone else, it means there is place for doubt here.
This makes you wonder how things could have looked is a cetain call was different.
I think there is no room for such doubts, if today's technology can allow to rule such calls with much more certainty, WHY NOT USE IT ???
I always praise badminton as being easy to judge (as compare to Squach for instanse) but it seems the line calls still leave room for bad calls and it should stop.

hope this is last time I write this post :D

Yuval



no i dun have that channel. i was hoping to catch it online..

yuval_ba
05-14-2005, 10:29 AM
no i dun have that channel. i was hoping to catch it online..

did u try the coolstreaming ? (see sticky post on this forum)