My friendly sportshop owner has just informed me of his newest affair. He was joining a business-ring that purchasing the stealing rackets from Japan.Unknow how are the detail, he only realized that there is a small group of professional stealers who hang around the Japanese sportshops or supermakets and rob the rackets very skillful. All rackets have distributed code JP in series numbers. Donot need to know exactly about the racket's value , they brought and sold those stealing rackets in some VNmese sportshops with the price same as a half of regularly price. He asked me if I agree to buy a new (unstrung) YY MP90 3U JP in cost 100 USD (without racket-bag!) . I held it, carefully viewed it and noticed that it is perfectly genuine (I have tried many kinds of rackets from YY since 5 years ). He also said that, he could provide about ten real YY rackets including : MP 50,MP60,MP80, MP100,AT700,AT800 OF,CAB 30MS,Aerotus 100...in adverage the same low price because all them were in the same stealen source.
I really like new rackets, but I am in a divided mind, could I lend a hand with the stealers?:confused: And you guys, in your situations, dare you purchase the stealing rackets?

No. I have morals. Report the guy. Nail him. Do not encourage these thieves. Low lying scumbags...

If you buy from them , you are encouraging them to steal more.

I agree that it's tempting to get some real cheap top-end rackets..
But if the dealer himself tells you they are stolen, I wouldn't even consider..
And like mentioned above I would report him to the authorities..
Basically if you don't, you let "this bad guy" of the hook
and he will continue to sell stolen stuff..

It does speak volume on ones character when the person has "divided mind" on such a straightforward issue. Dealing in theft, no matter how far up the intermediary chains one's from the thief, he or she is still making crime pay. This operation is not stealing from the rich to give to the poor, it's major business.

If you buy from them , you are encouraging them to steal more.

Yes, 100% agree with you. However, I wouldn't advice you to report to authorities because IMO u just make life hard on urself. These thieves definitely operates in medium-large numbers and they will remember u. therefore, the only thing u get is these thieves & associates haunting u.

Here in Holland it's possible to tip the police anonamous..using a special phonenumber.
I would definately use that number to tip the police!!

knowingly buying stolen rackets is just as guilty as the thiefs who stole the rackets. By supporting and preserving such activity will one day come back to haunt you in unpredictable ways.

knowingly buying stolen rackets is just as guilty as the thiefs who stole the rackets. By supporting and preserving such activity will one day come back to haunt you in unpredictable ways.

Yeah.. maybe you cant win by using stolen rackets :D

Don't do it.
"Thou Shalt Not Steal"

If you can believe that owner's story you can believe anything LOL. If you are selling stolen rackets would you tell anyone? This guy is a criminal himself by buying from criminals and you trust his words? Keep in mind this is a business thats telling you they are selling stolen goods,,, not a guy from the street, so they might be easily searched and caught so dont you think something is wrong there?

Well, maybe and you must be very close to him. Very few established business owners would openly tell people they are selling stolen goods and especially stolen goods from a crime ring. I am sure the ring leader is very happy with his openness to tell everyone the rackets are stolen.


Personally I would never buy anything thats stolen, and its hard to say If they are even real authentic Yonex rackets. Lets say if they are real, my guess is that the store owner would try to sell them to you as yonex JP version with a small discount only. He doesnt need to sell a geniune Yonex JP version cheap especially 50% off. Why? cause he should have lots of clones at that 50% price which he can sell all day long ( assuming he is a criminal type) Also he should already have alot of yonex customers going to his store asking to buy Yonex rackets. All he has to do is sell the customer the stolen models and tell them they were special imports from Japan. There is no need to sell real yonex at a half off nor tell anyone its stolen. LOL.:D

This whole thing is very fishy to me. It reminds me of those people trying to sell fake Rolex watches on the streets. It often goes like this: oh I just stole this Rolex from someones house,,, It's worth $3000 but if you want I will sell it to you for $100 cash right now. After he sells it to you, he probably has another 5 watches in his pocket lol.:D

I say you should report them... it's a straightforward crime. As members of society who want to know that someone would do the right thing if someone were stealing from us, it's your duty to society to do the right thing. We can't just expect all the benefits of social security if we don't do our part to uphold it.

If you can believe that owner's story you can believe anything LOL. If you are selling stolen rackets would you tell anyone? This guy is a criminal himself by buying from criminals and you trust his words? Keep in mind this is a business thats telling you they are selling stolen goods,,, not a guy from the street, so they might be easily searched and caught so dont you think something is wrong there?

Well, maybe and you must be very close to him. Very few established business owners would openly tell people they are selling stolen goods and especially stolen goods from a crime ring. I am sure the ring leader is very happy with his openness to tell everyone the rackets are stolen.


Personally I would never buy anything thats stolen, and its hard to say If they are even real authentic Yonex rackets. Lets say if they are real, my guess is that the store owner would try to sell them to you as yonex JP version with a small discount only. He doesnt need to sell a geniune Yonex JP version cheap especially 50% off. Why? cause he should have lots of clones at that 50% price which he can sell all day long ( assuming he is a criminal type) Also he should already have alot of yonex customers going to his store asking to buy Yonex rackets. All he has to do is sell the customer the stolen models and tell them they were special imports from Japan. There is no need to sell real yonex at a half off nor tell anyone its stolen. LOL.:D

This whole thing is very fishy to me. It reminds me of those people trying to sell fake Rolex watches on the streets. It often goes like this: oh I just stole this Rolex from someones house,,, It's worth $3000 but if you want I will sell it to you for $100 cash right now. After he sells it to you, he probably has another 5 watches in his pocket lol.:D

I think your take on this is more plausible. It's one way to reap more profit margin from selling fakes, 100USD vs 20-50 USD, as competition heats up on fakes business (amazing isnt't it). It sounded weird too when i first read it because japanese stores and distributors have excellent paper trail. You just can't keep on stealing and have them not knowing about it. Since all real yonex rackets have unique serial #, they are all traceable. Would a store or distributer in vietnam risk fines and losing yonex business for profiting a few stolen rackets? JP rackets in vietnam is very obvious ;)

Don't buy it. Real or fake, don't be part of the conspiracy.

Hi guys, thanks u about the heartfelf warnings.And pls put the time to share my following thinking:
1. The sportshop owner is my bosom-friend and he is also a member of our badminton club.Sometimes, he was my partner in men double games. I really know that, he only tells the truth and sells stealing rackets with low price (as prime cost) to me or severval in his bosom-friends. With other customers, he will sell stealing rackets in higher prices (may be nearly the common cost).So that, I only give him my advices (not join to dark business-ring), I cannot expose him to the police!:( Am I right if do that?
2. Those rackets are not the same qualities as the " Rolex watches in the sidewalk ". I and my wife, we are owning 6 YY rackets, which are distributed code JP,IP,SP and TW, including MP80,Ti10,CAB 30MS,AT700 and AT 800OF. Two of these rackets were bought in Tokyo, Japan by my wife last year, when she went aboard in bussiness.I also share your experiences about fake rackets in this great badminton forum.Thus, I think that I can value how about a YY racket, real or fake or clone. On the other hand, I can realize the racket from Japan base on specific price-stamp which was stuck in it's handle grip. In this case, all the stealing rackets are genuine!
Hope that, my information could alert something about crime prevention.
As you said, I try to forget those stealing rackets. But, still wait to look at a YY NS 8000 JP from stealers (if they not yet to be in jail):p :p :p . Oh my God, there is no shortage of morals, and cupidity is also bottomless!:rolleyes:

Hi guys, thanks u about the heartfelf warnings.And pls put the time to share my following thinking:

Hope that, my information could alert something about crime prevention.
As you said, I try to forget those stealing rackets. But, still wait to look at a YY NS 8000 JP from stealers (if they not yet to be in jail):p :p :p . Oh my God, there is no shortage of morals, and cupidity is also bottomless!:rolleyes:

Normally, I record down all the serial numbers of my rackets. Just hope that those owners never report to police with such numbers... And just hope that those who purchase these rackets never get caught....

I am fully against..

If you are close friends with the guy, you've got to convince him to stop. Maybe you will not report him, but who's to say that others who find out will be so forgiving?

Not everything is black and white in certain parts of of the world.

Take pirated DVDs/VCDs for example. It's rampant in Asia. Napster and music downloads.

-dave

Don't attempt to be part of the "outlaw", and if u r really a friend to the owner, give him advice as well. If any good individual later on gets into trouble, just because s/he wants to save $50 on a racket (how many u going to get???) or make a bit more profit with black market, it totally not worth it.

Remember, selling stealing good is the same as insurance fraud. All the extra cost will be factored by the manufacture and retail. Therefore, at the end, it's still us, the buyers to be the real loser. :(

well,if i know that's stolen ..of course i wont buy it!i can afford to buy a decent racket for myself.

What if someone steals a racquet overseas and sells it in your own country..
Lets say, a CP-coded old Ti10 2U ?
Will you still buy it if he offers it for a very low price ? :(

What if someone steals a racquet overseas and sells it in your own country..
Lets say, a CP-coded old Ti10 2U ?
Will you still buy it if he offers it for a very low price ? :(

Cannot imagine someone selling my software at USD100/CD stolen from my customers, who paid more than USD2000...

I cannot and will never agree in purchasing such rackets!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

If I were to agree, from then on... I can only afford wooden rackets...

Thanks.

basiccaly, many of the stealer wont tell you if its stolen things.....
as long as you didnt know its stolen, i mean really a stolen thing, no problem for me...
but my suggestion its better for us to ask where he/she get those thing from, otherwise if you already suspect its stolen, better not to buy....
even better, if you know from whom he stole from, tell to the man who is missing that things who is the stoler...

and one more thing... usually stolen thing do not perform any good to the user hehehe...

:DFake racket 4 sure...

Haven't heard any stealing from racket stores there.
Their police is quite efficient and the have
the community report system...
Most case can be solve quite rapidly.

(Not to many places sell rackets too.)
Maybe one street in Monkok, HK has more stores
selling rackets than they do !

However, each one of the store in Japan
have more stock than the whole Monkok. :D

NEVER BUY STOLEN ITEMS ! :mad:

I just wonder, most people would not knowingly buy stolen goods, because they too could get in trouble. But most likely you've bought some form of stolen good without knowing. There are some shops in melbourne that sells yonex racquet with TW/CN/SP codes, to my knowledge its already illegal in australia to sell such racquets as yonex does distribute AS/AU code (forgot which, my grip covers that part :o). Whats interesting is these racquets are priced the same as the actual aus distributed racquets...so for ppl buying them without knowing, they're getting ripped off.

But then again, theres a shop open that blatantly sells pirated DVD's and no one seems to care :D

I just wonder, most people would not knowingly buy stolen goods, because they too could get in trouble. But most likely you've bought some form of stolen good without knowing. There are some shops in melbourne that sells yonex racquet with TW/CN/SP codes, to my knowledge its already illegal in australia to sell such racquets as yonex does distribute AS/AU code (forgot which, my grip covers that part :o). Whats interesting is these racquets are priced the same as the actual aus distributed racquets...so for ppl buying them without knowing, they're getting ripped off.

But then again, theres a shop open that blatantly sells pirated DVD's and no one seems to care :D



Illegal to sell real item just with different code ?
No competition law ?
No Paralle inport laws hah...
So the sole agent or disturbutor there can make more money lal...

Stolen inventory is one reason there is a bigger retail markup. The margin for "unaccounted" inventory varies by store but usually in the neighborhood of 2%. (When I was a manager anything greater than 1% meant a lil writeup from higher above...) If the same store keeps getting robbed, the manager WILL get fired eventually.

Even small pieces of stolen inventory is a big deal because not only are you losing the profit margin on the stolen inventory, the profit margin of several other products are wasted to "make up" for the lost monies...

Buying stolen merchandise is a crime in the United States. I'm not sure about your country, but I don't think the laws should be radically different. Even if you aren't arrested, you are still risking quite a bit.

I don't think anybody can play at their best feeling guilty... =/

Illegal to sell real item just with different code ?
No competition law ?
No Paralle inport laws hah...
So the sole agent or disturbutor there can make more money lal...

The problem is not selling different code racquets, its how they got into australia. Tax on products like these racquets are ridiculously high in australia, if you import other codes properly to sell, they'll end up the same price as australia coded racquets. It becomes illegal to sell because it evaded import tax. Thats why its cheaper for most ppl to order racquets from asia, but if custom decided to check your package, and tax you, you'll end up paying more than buying the racquet from your own region's distributor.

The problem is not selling different code racquets, its how they got into australia. Tax on products like these racquets are ridiculously high in australia, if you import other codes properly to sell, they'll end up the same price as australia coded racquets. It becomes illegal to sell because it evaded import tax. Thats why its cheaper for most ppl to order racquets from asia, but if custom decided to check your package, and tax you, you'll end up paying more than buying the racquet from your own region's distributor.

I see...
Here is different...
If we buy JP, SP TH or even CH...
After the 12% sale tax in BC, (AB only 5%) it will still much cheaper
than buying from locally..

Not sure where you stand in your belief and faith.
If you really care for your friend, you should tell him/her not to do it.

As followers of Jesus and those of Jewish tradition, it is written in the 10 commandments that you should not steal nor covet thy neighbor's properties, etc.

If you do not believe there is a God who gave the commandments of whom you will be accountable to one day after you leave this earth, do it for the sake of avoiding the stigma of being labelled as a thief here on earth. Your silence is equivalent to an approval to your friend's illegal activities. If he/she is really your friend, don't you care ? Or are you really a good friend to him/her ? Is the friendship/the accountability worth less than the $50 to $100 you save ?

nope..i wont buy one.I'd rather buy a legit 2nd handed rackets..