Malaysia Open Grand Final

[crosstrainer]

lcw energized
3-4

chn coaches taking pictures?

service over... lin hitting a nice net shot

4-3 chn to serve

[TOP-ACE]

Lee just miss a smash.he got it back 2-4
3-4 now
I saw Li Dan change his game by tiring Lcw out,he mv him all round
3-4 now

[tutu_h]

Lee always seems to be a late starter against his stronger opponents.

[KourKK]

Lee always seems to be a late starter against his stronger opponents.


lets just hope that holds true mate!

[crosstrainer]

lin up 6-3
lcw using ns7 or 8?

nice drop shot from lcw
service over

[TOP-ACE]

3-4 now
I saw Li Dan change his game by tiring Lcw out,he mv him all round
3-4 now
6-3 to Li Dan
Li 7 Lee 3

[Simp84]

LCW fooling around too much!

[crosstrainer]

a vicious smash fron lin
7-3

nice hold and flick from lcw
service over 3-7

long rally

service over 7-3 lin to serve

[crosstrainer]

lin told to change shuttle by umpire

lin still up 8-3
now 9-3

service over back to lcw

[KourKK]

lets hope LeeCW can come back from dead, like in the first set..

[TOP-ACE]

6-3 to Li Dan
Li 7 Lee 3
8-3
3-9
Li Dan very good in making pple TL

[crosstrainer]

service over, back to lin... another dive
service over, back to lcw.. shot too long
SO - lin
10-3

so - lcw

[crosstrainer]

lcw 6-10 catching up

[badmad]

service over, back to lin... another dive
service over, back to lcw.. shot too long
SO - lin
10-3

so - lcw

looks like LCW losing the heat... :(

[TOP-ACE]

8-3
3-9
Li Dan very good in making pple TL
10-3
6-10
7-10
8-10

[crosstrainer]

another long rally, lin hits wide
7-10 lcw

what a tiring match to watch... whew :p

lin not being able to smash lately.

lcw with a nice smash

8-10

[matt_att]

10-3
6-10
7-10
8-10



Lee is back ..... go go go !!!!!!:eek: :D :confused:

[tutu_h]

10-3
6-10
7-10
8-10

oh! my hero LEE is back.....go go Lee

[sunzhi]

sigh... once lin dan is in comfortable lead, he changed his game thus allowing lee to clawed back... keep doing this, the match is lee to win.....
lin serves 10-9

[crosstrainer]

good net play 9-10 lcw

lcw misses a smash... shucks... service over to lin

lin can't convert

lcw serving, no point

lin serving.. nice smash from lcw, lin diving again. service over

water break

[TOP-ACE]

10-3
6-10
7-10
8-10
9-10
10-9 NOW
11-9..HE CHANGE BACK TO FAST LANE

[crosstrainer]

score's been stuck at 10-9 for a while.. oops. now it's 11-9 for lin

both players not giving in... what a battle so far.

[crosstrainer]

lcw chatting with umpire... seems that he has a nasty wound on his knee?

medics on court

[TOP-ACE]

score's been stuck at 10-9 for a while.. oops. now it's 11-9 for lin

both players not giving in... what a battle so far.
LCW in trouble now...ankle injury

[crosstrainer]

bleeding wound on his right knee being patched up right now. must be from the fall that he had earlier.

thank god it's not an ankle injury as i initially suspected

service back to lin 11-9

[tutu_h]

LCW in trouble now...ankle injury

oh pls don't. just pull through another 10min and he will be the winner. he must pull through

[TOP-ACE]

LCW in trouble now...ankle injury
12-9 now truoble fr Lee but he got the serv back at 9-12

[KourKK]

i think this is a critical point. IF Lee Chong Wei Loses this set, he might just lose the whole thing in the rubber game.

[crosstrainer]

lin up 12-9
lin with amazing saves, but misses a net shot

service back to lcw... misses a net shot

serve back to lin. 12-9 still

13-9 lin pulling away?

[wl2172]

i think this is a critical point. IF Lee Chong Wei Loses this set, he might just lose the whole thing in the rubber game.


Don't give up.....he has to go all out

[TOP-ACE]

i think this is a critical point. IF Lee Chong Wei Loses this set, he might just lose the whole thing in the rubber game.
13-9,9-13 now:crying:

[crosstrainer]

oh dear... lcw looking a bit more tired and lin suddenly smashing again

lin serving 13-9

[TOP-ACE]

13-9,9-13 now:crying:
14-9,service over 9-14

[crosstrainer]

14-9 lin

service over to lcw... come on!!!!!

[TOP-ACE]

14-9,service over 9-14
game 15-9 to Li Dan

[crosstrainer]

2nd game to lin dan 15-9

[KourKK]

2nd game to lin dan 15-9

dammit.... :crying: i have a bad feeling now... even though i want LeeCW to win DESPERATELY!!! :crying:

[TOP-ACE]

game 15-9 to Li Dan
Lee Chong Wei looks tired.He got a lot of unforce error at the end of game
two...very worrying

[KourKK]

And This is definately the best final of the night

[tutu_h]

dammit.... :crying: i have a bad feeling now... even though i want LeeCW to win DESPERATELY!!! :crying:

i think LCW is tired now. offer him some Ginseng.

[matt_att]

i think LCW is tired now

history show ......
can LCW turn it ????:crying:

[sticker]

what a match! - though i can't watch it :(
thx guys for the scores and comments.

so let's hope the final set will a thrilling one

[tutu_h]

history show ......
can LCW turn it ????:crying:

let us all pray for him.

[tutu_h]

go for a cup of coffee fisrt.

[TOP-ACE]

let us all pray for him.
Lacking behind again...0-3 now

[crosstrainer]

what a match! - though i can't watch it :(
thx guys for the scores and comments.

so let's hope the final set will a thrilling one

whew... what a tough set that was... i wonder how the third set will go.
hmm... less than 5 min break.

3-0 lin leading

[ms142]

This is a match anyone can watch - I followed the instruction in the other thread and used pplive. 400kbps - very decent resolution!



what a match! - though i can't watch it :(
thx guys for the scores and comments.

so let's hope the final set will a thrilling one

[TOP-ACE]

Lacking behind again...0-3 now
5-0 now...very diff now

[TOP-ACE]

5-0 now...very diff now
0-6...very slow indeed

[crosstrainer]

6-0 lin

lcw looks tired

funny reaction from lin when lcw's shot actually landed in :D

[sunzhi]

ok.. rubber now.. it ws a blister nt an injury, dont worry...

[TOP-ACE]

0-6...very slow indeed
1-7...have to chase like hell

[KourKK]

so this might be it for LCW.... So Close Yet So Far....

[sunzhi]

oooohh.. a bad call against lin again... 2-7 to lee

[TOP-ACE]

1-7...have to chase like hell
3-7 now...come-on Lcw

[crosstrainer]

1-7 lcw finally scored...

lin making lcw run all over the court...
error from lin

2-7

3-7 after a vicious smash from lcw. go go go!!!!

[TOP-ACE]

3-7 now...come-on Lcw
4-7..reduce the margin

[tutu_h]

go go go x infinity

[tutu_h]

hope the crowds will help to lift up LCW

[crosstrainer]

shucks.... he missed that potential winner

serve back to lin 7-4

crowd egging on lcw right now. go go gogo

[TOP-ACE]

4-7..reduce the margin
8-4......................

[TOP-ACE]

8-4......................
need miracle...but not impossible

[badmad]

8-4......................

OMG!! what a match!!! :D

I feel the thrill here. must be a very nice match to watch.

[crosstrainer]

change sides, last time

lin 8-4

nice smash from lcw
service over

lcw 4-8

net error by lcw

lin 8-4

just noticed that lcw wearing yonex red-black lighting/dragon shirt :)

[TOP-ACE]

need miracle...but not impossible
5-8................

[matt_att]

5-8................

Heart is almost stop .....
go go go .... LCW

[crosstrainer]

lin broke his strings

5-8 lcw

6-8 lcw... looks like another bad call

[sunzhi]

darn.. clearly in shot by lin was called out.....boooooooooooooooooooo

[Kokhung]

5-8................

O YEAH
LCW gonna win!

[TOP-ACE]

5-8................
7-8...by the way,that is Proton shirt

[stabber]

Gogogo Lcw !!!!

[crosstrainer]

8-7 lin to serve

make that 9-7

[tutu_h]

7-8...by the way,that is Proton shirt

go and lead the game LCW.

[TOP-ACE]

7-8...by the way,that is Proton shirt
9-7 now....half fight

[badmad]

darn.. clearly in shot by lin was called out.....boooooooooooooooooooo

i think lcw is thriving on playing in the malaysia... but it all happens in china too. they too give such bad line calls.

[TOP-ACE]

9-7 now....half fight
Li Dan may lost if he play like this

[sunzhi]

lin hd a crazy serve, out by miles... 8-9, lee serves

[wl2172]

darn.. clearly in shot by lin was called out.....boooooooooooooooooooo

China is no saint as well.....the 2000 thomas cup between Mal and China was marred by no less than 20 bad calls.

But that does not mean this should happen, linesman should be foreigners, but this is costly.

Or.

Use technology, in doubt, revert to technology and umpire have final call, that is the best

[TOP-ACE]

Li Dan may lost if he play like this
9-9 now...............intersting

[crosstrainer]

8-9 lcw... lin thought shot was out, landed in. misjudgement, not a bad call this time.

9-9 lcw... lin defense shot landed wide

10-9 lcw... lin lob wide

[TOP-ACE]

9-9 now...............intersting
the score is 11-09 now to LCW

[sunzhi]

i think lcw is thriving on playing in the malaysia... but it all happens in china too. they too give such bad line calls.


it happens everywhr and the boo is for them....

[matt_att]

9-9 now...............intersting


GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

[TOP-ACE]

the score is 11-09 now to LCW
12-9..................YA...GO-GO Lee

[badmad]

the score is 11-09 now to LCW

huuh!!! can't wait to see the match point... go LCW go.... :)

[TOP-ACE]

12-9..................YA...GO-GO Lee
13-9..................yes-yes-yes

[sunzhi]

all over.. :(
13-9 to lee

[crosstrainer]

lcw 11-9
lin shot long

lcw 12-9 (!) nerves?

lcw 13-9 amazing net shot from lcw... lin collapsing?

[matt_att]

huuh!!! can't wait to see the match point... go LCW go.... :)

when is the 15 comes????:cool:

[wl2172]

it happens everywhr and the boo is for them....

I support the wider usage of technology for fairness....like tennis

[tutu_h]

huuh!!! can't wait to see the match point... go LCW go.... :)

i just can't wait to jump up and cheer for LCW. please make me proud of Malaysia.

[TOP-ACE]

13-9..................yes-yes-yes
LiN dan cmiit suiside....15-09...to LCW

[TOP-ACE]

LiN dan cmiit suiside....15-09...to LCW
A lot of unforce error by Lin Dan....

[crosstrainer]

lcw wins!!!!

omg!!!!!!!!!! looks like the malaysian ju-ju man worked his magic ;)

questionable line calls though, but great win for LCW. can't wait to see lin in action here in manila next week.

crowd ecstatic!!! :)

[TOP-ACE]

A lot of unforce error by Lin Dan....
What a come back......Somebody said.No forever Champion

[tutu_h]

LiN dan cmiit suiside....15-09...to LCW

is this your prediction or the live score??? if yes, i'm preparing to jump

[sunzhi]

5 continuous uncharacteristic mistakes from lin gave the match to lee.. kudos n congrats lee.. bt not really happy with the line judges' decisions...

[stabber]

yes!!! LCW wins!! :D

[crosstrainer]

ju-ju man is the star now! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah :D

whew...

[wl2172]

LiN dan cmiit suiside....15-09...to LCW


YEEEEEEAAAHHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LEE CW deserves this, no one can take this away. Beating Lin Dan is no small feat.

[SiMpLe^^gAl]

All For Chong Wei~~!!!! Tat's crazy~! He's got Lin Dan!

[wl2172]

is this your prediction or the live score??? if yes, i'm preparing to jump


You can jump now.......fantastic

[KourKK]

is it just me or did they not shake hands?

[badmad]

LiN dan cmiit suiside....15-09...to LCW


3 cheers for LCW!!!!

nice match though... :) sorry for lin dan but he shudn't win everywhere. LCW deserved it.

[Syaoran_Style]

sunzhii where are your soo excellent pics ???

[Kokhung]

is it just me or did they not shake hands?

LOL
like what i predicted..
LCW won!

[sunzhi]

that's it folks.. tks for the great time posting up here...

[SiMpLe^^gAl]

They did not shake? Not very possible? I didn't notice that. I was jumping~! Lin Dan seemed so frustrated.

[SmartCivet]

I am very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very disappointed to LIN DAN!!!!!!!!!! :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

[wl2172]

Thank you sunzhi...really appreciate.

BAM should hire you

[newplayer]

nice match though... :) sorry for lin dan but he shudn't win everywhere. LCW deserved it.[/color]

Sure, the line judges made sure of that. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, it's a good thing Lin Dan lost, hopefully he will realise that
he's not world No.1 and must work much harder to get there.

NP

[wl2172]

I am very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very disappointed to LIN DAN!!!!!!!!!! :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

Don't be....others deserve to win from time to time. Lin Dan is still the world no.1 in my book

[ms142]

is it just me or did they not shake hands?

I didn't see them shake hands either.

By the way, a question about LCW - is he well-known for his trademark-like forehand diagonal smash, or is it something he developed recently? I kind of feel that he's not as good as LD in overall, but he has this ONE killer that, together with a cheering crowd and slightly partial line judges, won him the match...

[Syaoran_Style]

I am very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very disappointed to LIN DAN!!!!!!!!!! :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

i'm like you smartcivet ... =//
:( :( :crying: :crying:

[crosstrainer]

They did not shake? Not very possible? I didn't notice that. I was jumping~! Lin Dan seemed so frustrated.

i have nothing against LCW, and nothing going for Lin Dan... but i'm afraid that the some calls influenced the outcome of the match.

sans questionable calls, it would have still been a great match, and still hard to predict who'd win. ;)

[tutu_h]

I didn't see them shake hands either.

By the way, a question about LCW - is he well-known for his trademark-like forehand diagonal smash, or is it something he developed recently? I kind of feel that he's not as good as LD in overall, but he has this ONE killer that, together with a cheering crowd and slightly partial line judges, won him the match...

maybe he learns from Li Mao. i think we should give compliment to this wonderful coach too.

[KourKK]

Sure, the line judges made sure of that. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, it's a good thing Lin Dan lost, hopefully he will realise that
he's not world No.1 and must work much harder to get there.

NP

I dont reckon its fair to blame line judges/home support etc etc for a player losing... Maybe we should be like Taufik, and accept defeat Gracefully, and not be a sore loser,

"Taufik, who was affected by a stomach muscle pull during his game against Chong Wei, was disappointed but he did not show it.

“I do not want to give any excuses ... I lost,” said the soft-spoken player. "
source : The Star

[sunzhi]

sunzhii where are your soo excellent pics ???

post more later, time for dinner now.. :)
last pic, lee cw with the malaysian deputy prime minister, nazib...
cheers all....

[KourKK]

and another thing, we have all known about LCW's diagonal cross court smashes, as shown in use in last years singapore open. But watching the final, is it just me or he has developed alot of these cross court net shots, and more trick shots etc etc... very exciting play in general

[TOP-ACE]

What a come back......Somebody said.No forever Champion
Back to Singapore Badminton...Badminton never get prominent attention
in Singapore Media..Look at the ST,Zao Bao or THE WORST- The New Paper
....Only recent year when we import Indon and China player like
Susilo and Lili that a very little publicity .See the Support done by
Malaysia Govt..see DPM of Malaysia also come and watch the Malaysian
Player.

[tutu_h]

I dont reckon its fair to blame line judges/home support etc etc for a player losing... Maybe we should be like Taufik, and accept defeat Gracefully, and not be a sore loser,

"Taufik, who was affected by a stomach muscle pull during his game against Chong Wei, was disappointed but he did not show it.

“I do not want to give any excuses ... I lost,” said the soft-spoken player. "
source : The Star

this is y i like him too. he always keeps low profile even though he won the game. oh! gade also，he will usually say "you win and you lose sometimes".

[Syaoran_Style]

Sure, the line judges made sure of that. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, it's a good thing Lin Dan lost, hopefully he will realise that
he's not world No.1 and must work much harder to get there.

NP

yes but he is world No.1 =p and one of his relatives told me that he already work really really hard ... i think yeah he gave a proof that he deserved this world number 1 place

[xijiayu]

Both Lin Dan and LCW have very similar hair style :D

[wl2172]

Sure, the line judges made sure of that. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, it's a good thing Lin Dan lost, hopefully he will realise that
he's not world No.1 and must work much harder to get there.

NP

This is an unfair comment, sure there were a few bad line calls, but that is not enough to win against a player like Lin Dan.

Lee deserves this win, and it solidifies the fact that Lee CW is among the elite.

[tutu_h]

Both Lin Dan and LCW have very similar hair style :D

and almost same height too.

[TOP-ACE]

Back to Singapore Badminton...Badminton never get prominent attention
in Singapore Media..Look at the ST,Zao Bao or THE WORST- The New Paper
....Only recent year when we import Indon and China player like
Susilo and Lili that a very little publicity .See the Support done by
Malaysia Govt..see DPM of Malaysia also come and watch the Malaysian
Player.
The Lady in the picture above ,if i am not wrong is Datin Marina Mahathir
Dr Mahathir daughter

[Wai Shing]

yea but Taufik lost 15-3, 15-0, the gravity of the loss is little different...he got really ass whooped there, of course hes got nothing to say. LCW and LD were having a pretty close fight, Id be pissed if I were LD too

damn how do you quote

[wl2172]

Back to Singapore Badminton...Badminton never get prominent attention
in Singapore Media..Look at the ST,Zao Bao or THE WORST- The New Paper
....Only recent year when we import Indon and China player like
Susilo and Lili that a very little publicity .See the Support done by
Malaysia Govt..see DPM of Malaysia also come and watch the Malaysian
Player.

I think Singapore Govt has done a good job so far....I do not understand :confused:

[badmad]

and almost same height too.

lol... i thot i was the only one to notice it and get confused.. :p

[danieL_amiranda]

what a wonderful game ,congrats lcw

[KourKK]

I think he means that the Singapore open isnt represented by the Government, Such as our malaysian DPM here to spectate, and even at the Jati Test between Malaysia and Denmark, the Sultan was there to hand out prizes etc.

[wl2172]

I think he means that the Singapore open isnt represented by the Government, Such as our malaysian DPM here to spectate, and even at the Jati Test between Malaysia and Denmark, the Sultan was there to hand out prizes etc.

Yeah...but Sing Govt pumped in many millions so far. Maybe they felt that is enough

[xijiayu]

I think he means that the Singapore open isnt represented by the Government, Such as our malaysian DPM here to spectate, and even at the Jati Test between Malaysia and Denmark, the Sultan was there to hand out prizes etc.

Badminton is one of very few sports in Malaysia which entitled to get funding from government. That's why it's getting so much attention from everybody in Malaysia.

[danieL_amiranda]

The Lady in the picture above ,if i am not wrong is Datin Marina Mahathir
Dr Mahathir daughter


that is Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor(wife 2 DPM)

[KourKK]

lol... i thot i was the only one to notice it and get confused.. :p

I got confused when they changed shirts before the 3rd set, esp when Lee Chong Wei put on the black/red lightning shirt which i somehow associate with the chinese team !

[Simp84]

I think LCW was overall a better player... his net shot is tighter compared to Lin Dan and his crosscourt smash is supreme... he could have wraped it up easily in the 2nd game, however its so typical of him to let his guard down and try all the unecessary fancy net shot, thats why he has to stretched for rubber set...

Although a few line calls were strange... but as a professional and mature player, they shouldn't complain about it.... I thought it was very immature of Lin to temper with the umpire and has to drag his coach out of the seat to assess the situation...

[newplayer]

I dont reckon its fair to blame line judges/home support etc etc for a player losing... Maybe we should be like Taufik, and accept defeat Gracefully, and not be a sore loser,

"Taufik, who was affected by a stomach muscle pull during his game against Chong Wei, was disappointed but he did not show it.

“I do not want to give any excuses ... I lost,” said the soft-spoken player. "
source : The Star


It's wrong to blame home support, players who cannot block out their
opponent's home supporters are just mentally weak, therefore they deserve
to lose.

It's not wrong to blame the line judges for bad calls, after all, they are meant
to be fair. Losing points that you clearly won would piss off just about anyone.
In tennis, match referees and line judges get fired for making these mistakes.
If I remember correctly, a few years ago in Wimbledon, the match referee for
the game between Venus Williams and Karolina Sprem was fired right after the
match for giving Sprem an extra point in one of the tie-breaks.

Talking about Taufik, I'm big fan of him and I think he's the best singles player in
the world at the moment, but I seem to remeber that he walked out
of the middle of a match in Korea Open a few years ago because he was pissed
off by the bad calls from the Korean line judges.

I understand that good players should be mentally strong enough to block out
the bad calls, however, no one is perfect, that's why good players lose focus
when they are given bad calls. I think Lin Dan deserved to lose the match
because he wasn't mentally strong enough, and I hope he works on this and
becomes a better player in the future.

On the other hand, I don't understand why there could have been more than
1 bad call in the MS final. I mean, in Sudiman cup, there were line cameras
everywhere and many questionable call was replayed on the big screen, did
they have the same thing in Malaysia open?

NP

[TOP-ACE]

I think Singapore Govt has done a good job so far....I do not understand :confused:
I do not say the govt didn't do good job,i say the media...the media seems
to be more bias on soccer and other game like golf,water sport,from what i think
the media purposely do not want to report about badminton since they do not
have much well known badminton player,but strange,we do not have any
good soccer player too...infact all are katek have monkey skill,want high pay
but can't produce...this type of player how to go world-cup.Even winning
ASEAN game also got problem.In Singapore,apart from minister Lim Swee Say
and MM Goh Chok Tung,the rest all seems un-supportive.But the very-very
disaapointed one is the media,even Ch Newsasia website and yahoo.com.sg
also very little if not very-very slow in reporting anything about badminton.
Flip through Msian NWP,i saw so many news about Badminton.
Perhaps,the block head reporter,journalist in Singapore Media
think Singaporean only like soccer,golf and tennis.

Weigh for yourself

[KourKK]

Any idea in the increase in prize money compared to last year ? i dont think taht the malaysian open (2004) had a MS Prize of 9,600 US

[rwchen]

I did not get to watch the match, it was not shown in RTM 1 which I hope it will. LCW is the eventual champion , I heard that there were a few questionable line calls, is it true? I can't wait to see what will happen in the World Championship next month.




I didn't see them shake hands either.

By the way, a question about LCW - is he well-known for his trademark-like forehand diagonal smash, or is it something he developed recently? I kind of feel that he's not as good as LD in overall, but he has this ONE killer that, together with a cheering crowd and slightly partial line judges, won him the match...

[KourKK]

It's wrong to blame home support, players who cannot block out their
opponent's home supporters are just mentally weak, therefore they deserve
to lose.

It's not wrong to blame the line judges for bad calls, after all, they are meant
to be fair. Losing points that you clearly won would piss off just about anyone.
In tennis, match referees and line judges get fired for making these mistakes.
If I remember correctly, a few years ago in Wimbledon, the match referee for
the game between Venus Williams and Karolina Sprem was fired right after the
match for giving Sprem an extra point in one of the tie-breaks.

Talking about Taufik, I'm big fan of him and I think he's the best singles player in
the world at the moment, but I seem to remeber that he walked out
of the middle of a match in Korea Open a few years ago because he was pissed
off by the bad calls from the Korean line judges.

I understand that good players should be mentally strong enough to block out
the bad calls, however, no one is perfect, that's why good players lose focus
when they are given bad calls. I think Lin Dan deserved to lose the match
because he wasn't mentally strong enough, and I hope he works on this and
becomes a better player in the future.

On the other hand, I don't understand why there could have been more than
1 bad call in the MS final. I mean, in Sudiman cup, there were line cameras
everywhere and many questionable call was replayed on the big screen, did
they have the same thing in Malaysia open?

NP

Good Points mate... very good points.. But i reckon that we as spectators cannot rightfully complain, i mean,, who can honestly say that they did not get entertained by the 3 set final? and so we should be content.. But for Lin Dan and LCW, i agree with you that Lin Dan's mental strenght went down the drain, and LCW kept strong and pulled off some great shots in the match. So all credit to LCW and his improvement, and his advance since his defeat at the SO..

So... we should be good sports, like the Lions Fans were here in Auckland, as they watched their team get hammered by the All Blacks, 21-3/48-18,38-19 in the 2005 lions tour. Even with their teammates losing, they were good sports, and good fun, and far from being sore losers, as the All Blacks drove home the final nail for a series whitewash at Eden Park, Auckland

[tangyeefun]

I do not say the govt didn't do good job,i say the media...the media seems
to be more bias on soccer and other game like golf,water sport,from what i think
the media purposely do not want to report about badminton since they do not
have much well known badminton player,but strange,we do not have any
good soccer player too...infact all are katek have monkey skill,want high pay
but can't produce...this type of player how to go world-cup.Even winning
ASEAN game also got problem.In Singapore,apart from minister Lim Swee Say
and MM Goh Chok Tung,the rest all seems un-supportive.But the very-very
disaapointed one is the media,even Ch Newsasia website and yahoo.com.sg
also very little if not very-very slow in reporting anything about badminton.
Flip through Msian NWP,i saw so many news about Badminton.
Perhaps,the block head reporter,journalist in Singapore Media
think Singaporean only like soccer,golf and tennis.

Weigh for yourself

OH yeah man! I remember when Susilo got into the final of the Singapore Open, I went to buy NEWPAPER before going to the stadium. There were nothing about badminton inside!!!! They alway seems to make badminton a second rank sports compare to English Soccer and Tennis (in the case of Straits Times).

[TOP-ACE]

that is Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor(wife 2 DPM)
Daniel,thank you for correcting me

[rwchen]

I hope that Lin Dan and LCW may meet again in the World Championship at a neutral ground. I agree that good players should be mentally strong but if it is true that there are more than one bad line calls, it's not fair to Lin Dan. If I remembered clearly, in the last world table tennis championship in Shanghai, Timo Ball of Germany pointed out to the referee on a decision which favoured him initially, the referee restracted his initially decision and awarded a his opponent Liu Guo Liang a point , Timo Ball won the best sportmanship award there. Are there any such cases in badminton?

It's wrong to blame home support, players who cannot block out their
opponent's home supporters are just mentally weak, therefore they deserve
to lose.

It's not wrong to blame the line judges for bad calls, after all, they are meant
to be fair. Losing points that you clearly won would piss off just about anyone.
In tennis, match referees and line judges get fired for making these mistakes.
If I remember correctly, a few years ago in Wimbledon, the match referee for
the game between Venus Williams and Karolina Sprem was fired right after the
match for giving Sprem an extra point in one of the tie-breaks.

Talking about Taufik, I'm big fan of him and I think he's the best singles player in
the world at the moment, but I seem to remeber that he walked out
of the middle of a match in Korea Open a few years ago because he was pissed
off by the bad calls from the Korean line judges.

I understand that good players should be mentally strong enough to block out
the bad calls, however, no one is perfect, that's why good players lose focus
when they are given bad calls. I think Lin Dan deserved to lose the match
because he wasn't mentally strong enough, and I hope he works on this and
becomes a better player in the future.

On the other hand, I don't understand why there could have been more than
1 bad call in the MS final. I mean, in Sudiman cup, there were line cameras
everywhere and many questionable call was replayed on the big screen, did
they have the same thing in Malaysia open?

NP

[wl2172]

It's wrong to blame home support, players who cannot block out their
opponent's home supporters are just mentally weak, therefore they deserve
to lose.

It's not wrong to blame the line judges for bad calls, after all, they are meant
to be fair. Losing points that you clearly won would piss off just about anyone.
In tennis, match referees and line judges get fired for making these mistakes.
If I remember correctly, a few years ago in Wimbledon, the match referee for
the game between Venus Williams and Karolina Sprem was fired right after the
match for giving Sprem an extra point in one of the tie-breaks.

Talking about Taufik, I'm big fan of him and I think he's the best singles player in
the world at the moment, but I seem to remeber that he walked out
of the middle of a match in Korea Open a few years ago because he was pissed
off by the bad calls from the Korean line judges.

I understand that good players should be mentally strong enough to block out
the bad calls, however, no one is perfect, that's why good players lose focus
when they are given bad calls. I think Lin Dan deserved to lose the match
because he wasn't mentally strong enough, and I hope he works on this and
becomes a better player in the future.

On the other hand, I don't understand why there could have been more than
1 bad call in the MS final. I mean, in Sudiman cup, there were line cameras
everywhere and many questionable call was replayed on the big screen, did
they have the same thing in Malaysia open?

NP



I agree with the usage of line cameras.....technology is advanced enough now and reliable. It should be the final judge. IBF has not implemented it yet.

[newplayer]

Good Points mate... very good points.. But i reckon that we as spectators cannot rightfully complain, i mean,, who can honestly say that they did not get entertained by the 3 set final?

Of course we can complain -- even though it doesn't change anything -- but it
does enable the supporters of the losers to let off some steam. I can honestly
say that I didn't get entertained by the 3 set final at all!!! I couldn't watch it
on TV. :( I'm glad that you guys were thoroughly entertained, it's good for
the sport.

NP

[wl2172]

I do not say the govt didn't do good job,i say the media...the media seems
to be more bias on soccer and other game like golf,water sport,from what i think
the media purposely do not want to report about badminton since they do not
have much well known badminton player,but strange,we do not have any
good soccer player too...infact all are katek have monkey skill,want high pay
but can't produce...this type of player how to go world-cup.Even winning
ASEAN game also got problem.In Singapore,apart from minister Lim Swee Say
and MM Goh Chok Tung,the rest all seems un-supportive.But the very-very
disaapointed one is the media,even Ch Newsasia website and yahoo.com.sg
also very little if not very-very slow in reporting anything about badminton.
Flip through Msian NWP,i saw so many news about Badminton.
Perhaps,the block head reporter,journalist in Singapore Media
think Singaporean only like soccer,golf and tennis.

Weigh for yourself


Sorry...I misuderstood. I understand your point now. Yes, Sing Media has to be more supportive of badminton. In Malaysia, badmintion gets a lot of coverage even after Malaysian players are all out. Sing Media has to change this. As for the footballers, Malaysia have the same set of losers too, just wearing differenet shirts...hahahaha

[TOP-ACE]

I hope that Lin Dan and LCW may meet again in the World Championship at a neutral ground. I agree that good players should be mentally strong but if it is true that there are more than one bad line calls, it's not fair to Lin Dan. If I remembered clearly, in the last world table tennis championship in Shanghai, Timo Ball of Germany pointed out to the referee on a decision which favoured him initially, the referee restracted his initially decision and awarded a his opponent Liu Guo Liang a point , Timo Ball won the best sportmanship award there. Are there any such cases in badminton?
The line call happened in game two only...and it won by Lin Dan,Third game
Lin Dan have a good start and lead my 8-1 b4 Change court,it was Lin Dan
sudden change of play that course him,he seems to be under presure
when LCW catch-up so much...This type of presure if cannot block will
course you fatal.This was what happened,the sudden drop of "Form"
also the major course,no the line call...it is the redeculous excuse.
I am a Singaporean and i watch the game live by pay-tv.Nothing Bias,
i report only the truth.Lee Chong Wei playing a very-very skillful game
tonight.

[ckloo]

This is an unfair comment, sure there were a few bad line calls, but that is not enough to win against a player like Lin Dan.

Lee deserves this win, and it solidifies the fact that Lee CW is among the elite.

Yup me too agree with u man...its unfair to say that the linesmen have set the outcome of the game.Its not easy to beat LD and for me both of them are damn good(maybe LD is a bit more consistent).Ony the last 3 minutes(maybe 5 hehehe..) when LD suddenly lost focus on the game,it gave CW the chance to dominant the game.After all, its a nice game.Btw, please take note that linesmen are also human...they make mistakes and dont u all agree that its hard to judge the shuttle bcos those who are smashing were LCW and LD(world num 4 and 1 man)....damn fast lar...how to judge correctly...muakakaka :D
Bravo to both of the men!!!!

[Simp84]

The line call happened in game two only...and it won by Lin Dan,Third game
Lin Dan have a good start and lead my 8-1 b4 Change court,it was Lin Dan
sudden change of play that course him,he seems to be under presure
when LCW catch-up so much...This type of presure if cannot block will
course you fatal.This was what happened,the sudden drop of "Form"
also the major course,no the line call...it is the redeculous excuse.
I am a Singaporean and i watch the game live by pay-tv.Nothing Bias,
i report only the truth.Lee Chong Wei playing a very-very skillful game
tonight.
Right on! GO KAMPUNG CHAMP!!!!! hehehe
Taufik has great deception overhead! Now LCW has his trademark! Deception forehand!!

[crosstrainer]

i agree about lcw playing the game of his life tonight... he played well, and he fed off the crowd's energy quite efficiently. he knew when to step up, he knew when to coast, and he knew when to hammer lin dan when he saw the latter get buggered by off-calls.

he played really intelligently. not many players can do that against lin dan. :D

[KourKK]

hmmm.. so now that LCW has won the open, how does this effect his placing in the world rankings? since he dropped to 8th after SO, what will he be on now? and this goes the same for the other winners, Will Candra/Sigit move to World number 1's?

[KourKK]

i agree about lcw playing the game of his life tonight... he played well, and he fed off the crowd's energy quite efficiently. he knew when to step up, he knew when to coast, and he knew when to hammer lin dan when he saw the latter get buggered by off-calls.

he played really intelligently. not many players can do that against lin dan. :D


i think that the arrival of LiMao has had its improvements dont you think? :D

[Simp84]

i think that the arrival of LiMao has had its improvements dont you think? :D
mm.... that is still inconclusive...
poor results in AE/JO/SO though....

[KourKK]

mm.... that is still inconclusive...
poor results in AE/JO/SO though....


he has probably taken time to adapt, compare his repertoir of shots today, and at all england, now he has his cross net shots, sharp smashes, etc etc.

[wl2172]

i think that the arrival of LiMao has had its improvements dont you think? :D


Lee CW has certainly improved, but what about Wong CH and Kuan BH?

Are they also under LI mao?

[jack27]

Hi, anyone in Singapore record down today match?
Hope can borrom from you... too bad for me did not apply SCV..
PM me.. thx in advance...

[wl2172]

The line call happened in game two only...and it won by Lin Dan,Third game
Lin Dan have a good start and lead my 8-1 b4 Change court,it was Lin Dan
sudden change of play that course him,he seems to be under presure
when LCW catch-up so much...This type of presure if cannot block will
course you fatal.This was what happened,the sudden drop of "Form"
also the major course,no the line call...it is the redeculous excuse.
I am a Singaporean and i watch the game live by pay-tv.Nothing Bias,
i report only the truth.Lee Chong Wei playing a very-very skillful game
tonight.

Thanks for your impartial view, I think Lee CW took his chances well today. Maybe new technology to help line calls can be intrduced in SO next year?

[roquejo]

Can't believe Lin Dan lost

[rwchen]

Thanks for your sincere comment. Winning and losing is part of game , let's look forward to more nail-biting matches in the World Championship.




The line call happened in game two only...and it won by Lin Dan,Third game
Lin Dan have a good start and lead my 8-1 b4 Change court,it was Lin Dan
sudden change of play that course him,he seems to be under presure
when LCW catch-up so much...This type of presure if cannot block will
course you fatal.This was what happened,the sudden drop of "Form"
also the major course,no the line call...it is the redeculous excuse.
I am a Singaporean and i watch the game live by pay-tv.Nothing Bias,
i report only the truth.Lee Chong Wei playing a very-very skillful game
tonight.

[ants]

Right on! GO KAMPUNG CHAMP!!!!! hehehe
Taufik has great deception overhead! Now LCW has his trademark! Deception forehand!!

I hope he will not be another Kampung Champ.

[juz_me]

yeah!! chong wei won!! but kinda pity lin dan ...

[maxwellian]

Hi, anyone in Singapore record down today match?
Hope can borrom from you... too bad for me did not apply SCV..
PM me.. thx in advance...

Me too- I love to watch this. Anyone can upload?

[unregistered]

While lin dan was walkin to receive the medal, i saw him throw a chair aside when it was in his way. He probably was disappointed...

[Steven]

Lee Chong Wei is now rank No $ in the world. Just slightly behind Peter Gade. His point is 25575.32 + 42000 = 29775.32 . Go chong wei . I will pray for u to win the world championship.

[ants]

Lin dan wasnt happy with his performance. But i have to salute Lee chong Wei . He has beaten the best players so far in this Open like Taufik , Bao and now Lin Dan.

[kokcheng]

The line call happened in game two only...and it won by Lin Dan,Third game
Lin Dan have a good start and lead my 8-1 b4 Change court,it was Lin Dan
sudden change of play that course him,he seems to be under presure
when LCW catch-up so much...This type of presure if cannot block will
course you fatal.This was what happened,the sudden drop of "Form"
also the major course,no the line call...it is the redeculous excuse.
I am a Singaporean and i watch the game live by pay-tv.Nothing Bias,
i report only the truth.Lee Chong Wei playing a very-very skillful game
tonight.You are absolutely right.The line call were all made in fairness.If there any bad calls at all,it wasn't called to give lcw an unfair advantage.On the other hand lin was trying to be the linesman.His cockiness is one of the reason he lost to lcw.But there are so many good points why lcw wins tonight.He fought as hard as he could.He refused to give when he was trailing.He has good skills.In fact everyone should be proud of this young talent from Malaysian for cracking the Great Wall of China.It's good for badminton.Nobody can be invicible all the time.When you lose,lose sportingly.

[chibe_K]

JUST WANT TO SAY "MALAYSIA BOLEH..........!!!!" LCW, you are the man, soooooooooo proud of you !

[Badmincraze]

You are absolutely right.The line call were all made in fairness.If there any bad calls at all,it wasn't called to give lcw an unfair advantage.On the other hand lin was trying to be the linesman.His cockiness is one of the reason he lost to lcw.But there are so many good points why lcw wins tonight.He fought as hard as he could.He refused to give when he was trailing.He has good skills.In fact everyone should be proud of this young talent from Malaysian for cracking the Great Wall of China.It's good for badminton.Nobody can be invicible all the time.When you lose,lose sportingly.

Juz a couple of comments after running thru this thread.

I've watched the MS finals 1st game only (cos i haf to go for an appt, quite reluctantly) n bad line calls haf oredi been called twice in the 1st game. Not to mention the others as stated by u guys here in the following 2nd n 3rd games. Personally, i haf no preference as to who shld win, but i think it's relatively unfair to Lin Dan. All this affects a player's emotions n mentality in a game, no matter how strong a player is mentally. futhermore, it's home ground to Lee... Hence, the result of this MS is 'not' that convincing, not that i think Lin Dan is unbeatable. But to be beaten under this type of situation... :confused:

As for this MO, i haf a couple of comments. Talking abt using technology to judge line calls, they are still using manual scoring wif ppl sitting next to number plates to record the scores! Couple of mistakes in scoring i noticed during the Semi's !! The worst part of the event is... THE FLOOR MAT !!! It keeps coming off!! Imagine Fu slipped and fell bcos of that yesterday! That posed as a threat in the game as players were sort of 'scared' of going near that corner. Even today, Chen Qiqiu also fell for the trap! Wat preparation work is that for a 4* event?! Rather disappointing... :(

[ants]

Too bad for the line calls and floor matts coming off. Too bad it came off during televised matches. I know and saw some 5* to 6* tournaments having the Floor matt coming off. Anyway its a learning process for every organisers. Of course Msian open is not as good as Spore Open event. I hope Msian Organisers can learn from the recently concluded Aviva Open and also learn more from the upcoming WCs.

[Badmincraze]

Too bad for the line calls and floor matts coming off. Too bad it came off during televised matches. I know and saw some 5* to 6* tournaments having the Floor matt coming off. Anyway its a learning process for every organisers. Of course Msian open is not as good as Spore Open event. I hope Msian Organisers can learn from the recently concluded Aviva Open and also learn more from the upcoming WCs.

Agree totally that Msian Organisers shld learn from Aviva Open n also upcoming WCs to make next yr's event better... At least, haf LIVE SCORING pls... ... :D

[wooncc]

I respect Lee Chong Wei!

[ants]

He still have a long way to go. This was his best performance.. but we can expect better performance from him next time.

[wooncc]

yeah, u r right

when u saw LCW play, he definitely improve a lot than b4
Li Mao really a good coach

[Han]

I think the tournament to learn from is All England, not Singapore Open as the camera angle is still pretty steep for Singapore Open. At least Malaysia Open has nice camera angle which makes the matches much more exciting to watch? As for the line judges controversy, IBF should adopt new technology to overturn obvious mistake like NBA and NFL are doing.
Singapore and Malaysia Opens did provide some fresh idea, Lin Dan is beatable so is Taufik and all this complication can only create more suspense on the coming World Championship, good for badminton. Now, it's the job of fans in US and Canada to fill out the Arrowhead Pond stadium in Anaheim so it doesn't look like another Athen's Olympic.
Malaysia Boleh.
Han

[wl2172]

Agree totally that Msian Organisers shld learn from Aviva Open n also upcoming WCs to make next yr's event better... At least, haf LIVE SCORING pls... ... :D

Instead of congratulating Lee CW and giving him his due, you harp about other things and try to bring this achievement down. That to me, is more disappointing.

Imagine China winning 80% of all titles this year, would badminton go the way of Formula 1?

SO was well organised, it had more money poured into it. If Ronald had won, I think you would be very happy as well. If you wanna pick on small things, there are a thousand ways.

Actually, maybe SBA should consider pouring the money to look and groom for local talent. That is the long term solution.

[ctjcad]

The Danes(Eriksen and Hansen) figured it out in the last SO, when they played Cai/Fu in the QF and beat them in straight sets...And now Candra/Sigit..The pair of Candra/Sigit is still the best current Indo pair, IMO-Luluk/Alven are still inconsistent, esp. Luluk..
This could be a preview of the SF or Finals of the World Championships,
but I do expect either of the Danes top pairs to play in the upcoming WC Finals though..


Indon won by 17-14.to0o many mistake by China.Kudos to Chandra/Sigit
superp SMASHING POWER

[ctjcad]

They are currently #4 in the world now, should go up to either #2 or #3 after this MO..
Here's hoping the can get some rest and prepare well, in the next month or so, for the upcoming WC-a lot of Indonesians in the U.S. will be waiting and cheering for them here...:).


i hope their ranking will go up to no.1 after WC.

i think they r no.2 now.

[wl2172]

I think the tournament to learn from is All England, not Singapore Open as the camera angle is still pretty steep for Singapore Open. At least Malaysia Open has nice camera angle which makes the matches much more exciting to watch? As for the line judges controversy, IBF should adopt new technology to overturn obvious mistake like NBA and NFL are doing.
Singapore and Malaysia Opens did provide some fresh idea, Lin Dan is beatable so is Taufik and all this complication can only create more suspense on the coming World Championship, good for badminton. Now, it's the job of fans in US and Canada to fill out the Arrowhead Pond stadium in Anaheim so it doesn't look like another Athen's Olympic.
Malaysia Boleh.
Han


Well said Han, I support your reasoning. I think people should stop saying "mine is better than yours" all the time, it is for people to judge that themselves. I have had enough about this talk about who can stage a better tournament, for those who continue griping, go do something to occupy your time. Go play World of Warcraft or something.... :p, and wait for the biggie in LA.

Remember, not saying you are better all the time means you are secure in your capabilities.

[harrycoomer]

I saw Taufik at the Singapore Open and at the Malaysian Open. In Singapore Taufik was awesome. The Chinese did not know what hit them. Against LCW Taufik was insipid at best. Most of his clears were short and LCW killed them. It was almost as if Taufik was fulfilling his wish of winning one of the two tournaments and telling LCW, I cleared the way as much as I could, this one is yours, bro. Taking nothing away from LCW (coming back from a 10-1 deficit to win is awesome), Taufik going down 15-0 is an oxymoron.


Lin dan wasn't happy with his performance. But i have to salute Lee chong Wei . He has beaten the best players so far in this Open like Taufik , Bao and now Lin Dan.

[legendarycroc]

if you ask me.. one of the pictures of LIn DAn and his coach makes it look like he held back against leeCW...

[harrycoomer]

It looked like Lin Dan was trying to slow the pace in the second game after LCW's comeback from 10-1 in the first. Watching LCW feeding off the home crowd, it did seem like the right tactic. Whether his coach told him that I couldnt tell. However Lin Dan's cross court smash when he was receiving serve at 14-9 down matchpoint seemed rather unusual. The biride was inches wide. I would have thought he would want to play high percentage shots to regain the serve.


if you ask me.. one of the pictures of LIn DAn and his coach makes it look like he held back against leeCW...

[krantikt]

harrycoomer, you seem to be from the bayarea, how did you watch all these games live ?

[badMania]

They are currently #4 in the world now, should go up to either #2 or #3 after this MO..
Here's hoping the can get some rest and prepare well, in the next month or so, for the upcoming WC-a lot of Indonesians in the U.S. will be waiting and cheering for them here...:).

They will be no 2, just below Eriksen/Hansen. Luluk/Alven will be 3rd and Paaske/Rasmusen will be 4th.

Lucky for u guys....here...not even any coverage for badminton on cable tv. They are screening the women volleyball world championships or something like that in the past 2 weeks....grr.....

[Han]

The "live streaming" for Malaysia Open is through out the world thru internet. See the below thread
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25117

[cooler]

i couldnt stay up to follow the MS final last nite:( (found out PPLive too late :crying: )
anyway, after reading all the above comments,it reinforces my previous statement(from another thread) that the chinese in general is weaker in the mental department. Both LD and LCW are fast and attacking players, neither one own the speed department. The winning edge here was mental focus and toughness, which LCW has 2 things going for him 1. LCW inheritance mental advantage over LD 2. Extra positive home crowd energy to LCW. Yes, a few bad line calls shouldnt affect the outcome as it's only 1 or 2 points but the effect on the mental factor is huge, and LD isn't strong in this dept. Even I when playing against a player who cheat or make obvious bad line calls, it bugs me not just because i'm angry, to me, i have to adjust my shot during the heated match. If u r trained to hit shots within 2 inches from the lines, bad calls forces me to adjust my shot. Now i have to make shot outside the 2" range from the line but far enough away from the opponent's reach. This can mentally screw up a guy because it just took away LD (or anyone) main killer weapon. When one feel his main weapon is taken away, wouldn't your confidence slide? It's easy to say oh just play harder or play safe shot. Safe shots mean return shot coming back with interest and less predictable. So, it's not only affect concentration, it forces one to change tactic which he wasnt plannning to, at a critical time. Changing tactic and shot accuracy in mid course require a small transition time. If uncall for, the transition time can be long, long enough for the opponent to eat u up.

[cooler]

i couldnt stay up to follow the MS final last nite:( (found out PPLive too late :crying: )
anyway, after reading all the above comments,it reinforces my previous statement(from another thread) that the chinese in general is weaker in the mental department. Both LD and LCW are fast and attacking players, neither one own the speed department. The winning edge here was mental focus and toughness, which LCW has 2 things going for him 1. LCW inheritance mental advantage over LD 2. Extra positive home crowd energy to LCW. Yes, a few bad line calls shouldnt affect the outcome as it's only 1 or 2 points but the effect on the mental factor is huge, and LD isn't strong in this dept. Even I when playing against a player who cheat or make obvious bad line calls, it bugs me not just because i'm angry, to me, i have to adjust my shot during the heated match. If u r trained to hit shots within 2 inches from the lines, bad calls forces me to adjust my shot. Now i have to make shot outside the 2" range from the line but far enough away from the opponent's reach. This can mentally screw up a guy because it just took away LD (or anyone) main killer weapon, and on the receiving end, also puts doubt in one's head on letting the shot go or play the shot. When one feel his main weapon is taken away, and start doubting yourself, wouldn't your confidence slide? It's easy to say oh just play harder or play safe shot. Safe shots mean return shot coming back with interest and less predictable. So, it's not only affect concentration, it forces one to change tactic which he wasnt plannning to, at a critical time. Changing tactic and shot accuracy in mid course require a small transition time. If uncall for, the transition time can be long, long enough for the opponent to eat u up.

........................................

[Battousai]

i couldnt stay up to follow the MS final last nite:( (found out PPLive too late :crying: )
anyway, after reading all the above comments,it reinforces my previous statement(from another thread) that the chinese in general is weaker in the mental department. Both LD and LCW are fast and attacking players, neither one own the speed department. The winning edge here was mental focus and toughness, which LCW has 2 things going for him 1. LCW inheritance mental advantage over LD 2. Extra positive home crowd energy to LCW. Yes, a few bad line calls shouldnt affect the outcome as it's only 1 or 2 points but the effect on the mental factor is huge, and LD isn't strong in this dept. Even I when playing against a player who cheat or make obvious bad line calls, it bugs me not just because i'm angry, to me, i have to adjust my shot during the heated match. If u r trained to hit shots within 2 inches from the lines, bad calls forces me to adjust my shot. Now i have to make shot outside the 2" range from the line but far enough away from the opponent's reach. This can mentally screw up a guy because it just took away LD (or anyone) main killer weapon. When one feel his main weapon is taken away, wouldn't your confidence slide? It's easy to say oh just play harder or play safe shot. Safe shots mean return shot coming back with interest and less predictable. So, it's not only affect concentration, it forces one to change tactic which he wasnt plannning to, at a critical time. Changing tactic and shot accuracy in mid course require a small transition time. If uncall for, the transition time can be long, long enough for the opponent to eat u up.

You also have to conceed the fact that LCW was at home and had the crowd support and its much easier to be upbeat and strong mentally when you have cheers and not moans and boos. LD was visably shaken after some calls that went against him but if he were at home the home crowd would cheer him on and lift his spirit. Its all mental at this high level where most players have the skills and it is their focus and mentality that determines outcomes but LD has proven he can win not only on home soil but also numerous other stadiums. If the chinese were so weak mentally then why is the tour dominated by the chinese? I just feel when the chinese win people go "Oh no not another all chinese final" or "ah another typical chinese victory" but when they lose its a mariad of errors on their part. I'm as biased as the next guy but sports is sports and sometimes you have to conceed the fact that sometimes people just plain got outplayed and thats how I view most wins and loses. The other person/team was just better that day. For me more credit goes to the victor than does to the loser for choking.

[ctjcad]

do you or did you know what happened to Taufik, prior to playing against LCW??...whether it was "really" true or not, or Taufik was already satisfied with what he has come for or accomplished, if you haven't followed up, there has been another hotly discussed thread in this forum which talked about another player withdrawing and giving another player a WO...
Now, if you were in Taufik's shoe, already accomplishing what you want, and facing another "useless" tournament(IMO) in Phillippines next week and then have to prepare for the WC next month, would you go all out??...IMO, it's good he's willing to play his QF match rather than giving a WO...


I saw Taufik at the Singapore Open and at the Malaysian Open. In Singapore Taufik was awesome. The Chinese did not know what hit them. Against LCW Taufik was insipid at best. Most of his clears were short and LCW killed them. It was almost as if Taufik was fulfilling his wish of winning one of the two tournaments and telling LCW, I cleared the way as much as I could, this one is yours, bro. Taking nothing away from LCW (coming back from a 10-1 deficit to win is awesome), Taufik going down 15-0 is an oxymoron.

[Qidong]

do you or did you know what happened to Taufik, prior to playing against LCW??...whether it was "really" true or not, or Taufik was already satisfied with what he has come for or accomplished, if you haven't followed up, there has been another hotly discussed thread in this forum which talked about another player withdrawing and giving another player a WO...
Now, if you were in Taufik's shoe, already accomplishing what you want, and facing another "useless" tournament(IMO) in Phillippines next week and then have to prepare for the WC next month, would you go all out??...IMO, it's good he's willing to play his QF match rather than giving a WO...

Isn't it reported already that Taufik has a muscule injury in his rib before the game? It's only a month from WC. I was surprised he didn't quit and continue to finish the match. I think he will skip some tournments in between to recover.

[cooler]

You also have to conceed the fact that LCW was at home and had the crowd support and its much easier to be upbeat and strong mentally when you have cheers and not moans and boos. LD was visably shaken after some calls that went against him but if he were at home the home crowd would cheer him on and lift his spirit. Its all mental at this high level where most players have the skills and it is their focus and mentality that determines outcomes but LD has proven he can win not only on home soil but also numerous other stadiums. If the chinese were so weak mentally then why is the tour dominated by the chinese? I just feel when the chinese win people go "Oh no not another all chinese final" or "ah another typical chinese victory" but when they lose its a mariad of errors on their part. I'm as biased as the next guy but sports is sports and sometimes you have to conceed the fact that sometimes people just plain got outplayed and thats how I view most wins and loses. The other person/team was just better that day. For me more credit goes to the victor than does to the loser for choking.

I've said the chinese are 'generally' weaker on the mental side, some more, some less so. It's a broad personal opinioin of mine which i've kept because of abundant supporting observation. Also, zhang ning is now a veteran which make LD a newbie in the mental dept. It just mean the chinese needed more touranment experience to groom their mental toughness. I'm sure next year LD would be far more mentally stronger than this year(2005), which is better than last year (2004).

You said:
If the chinese were so weak mentally then why is the tour dominated by the chinese?

My answer is straight and firm, it's because the chinese is also excellent in the speed, footwork, stroke making and other skills. When zhang ning playing against hari, ZN could might have been daydreaming (about her wedding and honeymoon, hehe) and ZN could still beat hari imo LOL. Only when other physical components are evenly matched, the deciding factor will be mental, which i have also stated before. Both LD and LCW are fast and attacking players, neither one own the speed department. The winning edge here was mental focus and toughness, which LCW has 2 things going for him .

[cooler]

more pics..................

[belfastnole2]

Isn't it reported already that Taufik has a muscule injury in his rib before the game? It's only a month from WC. I was surprised he didn't quit and continue to finish the match. I think he will skip some tournments in between to recover.

no world ranking tournaments between now and WC

[tutu_h]

no world ranking tournaments between now and WC

there is one more, the MVP cup in philiphine begins on 17.07.2005. see here
http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24394

but there won't be any point accumulated for the world ranking.

[nugroho]

Lee Chong Wei is now rank No $ in the world. Just slightly behind Peter Gade. His point is 25575.32 + 42000 = 29775.32 . Go chong wei . I will pray for u to win the world championship.
according to the IBF rank list LCW has 22.680 and plus 4.200 today he will got 26.880
nut dont forget that has also incraese their point and even peter gade as well.. so...? let see what will be the list looks like
;)

[wanalexwan]

according to the IBF rank list LCW has 22.680 and plus 4.200 today he will got 26.880
nut dont forget that has also incraese their point and even peter gade as well.. so...? let see what will be the list looks like
;)
not to forgot the delete the points for last year's tournament

[KourKK]

I think people here on the forum should just applaud Lee Chong Wei for defending and retaining his crown, rather than complaining about home support etc etc. You might say im saying this only because im malaysian and loyal to my country. But if Taufik or Gade or Jonassen or Bao won agaisnt Lin Dan, i would have applauded them anyway.

So maybe we should stop taking things away from Lee Chong Wei's Win, because no matter how 'partial' the line calls were, im sure that they were made in all fairness, as you guys have said, how many of us can actually make correct line calls in the heat of the moment? (if it was us there) So we should congratulate LeeCW, for his first win against Lin Dan, and for retaining his crown, and for a great game of Badminton

[streamyx]

Chong Wei outlasts Lin Dan to retain Malaysian Open crown

BY RAJES PAUL



KUALA LUMPUR: National number one Lee Chong Wei fell on his back; punched his fists repeatedly in the air; and blew kisses to the badminton fans at the Kuala Lumpur Badminton (KLBA) Stadium yesterday.

The pumped up Chong Wei had given an outstanding display to successfully defend the Proton Malaysian Open men's singles title.

He took 88 minutes to beat world number one Lin Dan of China 17-15, 9- 15, 15-9 in a power-packed final. And he certainly felt on top of the world.

“I am very, very happy,” said Chong Wei, who bagged US$9,600 (RM36,480) for the win.

“Winning the Malaysian Open title for the second time is certainly different. I never thought that I would clear even the quarter-finals.

“But here I am today ... I defeated Taufik (Hidayat) and Lin Dan for the first time in the same tournament.”

On Thursday, Chong Wei put up a brilliant show to beat Athens Olympics gold medallist and Singapore Open champion Taufik 15-5, 15-0 in the third round.

With the win yesterday, Chong Wei has avenged his defeats by Lin Dan and Taufik.

He was beaten by the Chinese in the Thomas Cup qualifying tournament and went down to Taufik in the second round of the Asian Badminton Championships last year at the same venue.

It was Chong Wei’s delicate play, tight net shots and several great fightbacks that won the hearts of the crowd. He clawed back from 0-7 down in both the first and rubber games to win them.

The world number eight is nowlooking forward to the World Championships, which will be played in Anaheim, California, next month with optimism.

“I never gave up when the chips were down against Lin Dan,” said Chong Wei.

“Everyone saw how he played. He is excellent in attack and his overhead smashes and forehand cross court shots are dangerous. So it is very satisfying to beat him.

“This has given me a lot of confidence. I have one month to prepare for the world championships. I will be more than happy to bring back a medal for Malaysia.”

Lin Dan, who was playing in his first Malaysian Open final, was certainly disappointed and dashed out of the stadium after receiving the US$4,800 cheque.

Malaysia's singles coach Li Mao of China was happy with Chong Wei's performances in the tournament.

“It was a very high quality game but Chong Wei held a slight advantage because he read Lin Dan's game well and it was his home turf and the crowd was behind him all the way,” said Li Mao. “In his win over Taufik, he displayed good skill and yesterday against Lin Dan, I was happy with his speed. Overall, it is Chong Wei’s spirited game that helped him win the title today.”

On Chong Wei's preparation for the world championships, Li Mao said: “He is now a world-class player. Yes, he will be one of the contenders together with Taufik and Lin Dan at the world championships.”

There were also disappointments for China in the men's doubles and mixed doubles events. Indonesia's Candra Wijaya-Sigit Budiarto certainly proved that they are on the right track to win the world title for the second time. The 1997 world champions defeated Cai Yun-Fu Haifeng 15-11, 17- 14.

In the mixed doubles, Koreans Lee Jae-jin-Lee Hyo-jung downed Chen Qiqiu-Zhao Tingting 15-12, 15-12. The all-China finals in the women's singles and women's doubles were won by their Olympic champions – Zhang Ning and the pair of Yang Wei-Zhang Jiewen

[cooler]

I think people here on the forum should just applaud Lee Chong Wei for defending and retaining his crown, rather than complaining about home support etc etc. You might say im saying this only because im malaysian and loyal to my country. But if Taufik or Gade or Jonassen or Bao won agaisnt Lin Dan, i would have applauded them anyway.

So maybe we should stop taking things away from Lee Chong Wei's Win, because no matter how 'partial' the line calls were, im sure that they were made in all fairness, as you guys have said, how many of us can actually make correct line calls in the heat of the moment? (if it was us there) So we should congratulate LeeCW, for his first win against Lin Dan, and for retaining his crown, and for a great game of Badminton

I wasnt whining at LD lost :p I was just continuing my preaching about the vaious skill importance:D If LCW continue with this energy and focus, i hope he wins the WC MS title too.

btw, do i sound like Li Mao?Puahahaha

Li Mao
“It was a very high quality game but Chong Wei held a slight advantage because he read Lin Dan's game well and it was his home turf and the crowd was behind him all the way,” said Li Mao. “In his win over Taufik, he displayed good skill and yesterday against Lin Dan, I was happy with his speed. Overall, it is Chong Wei’s spirited game that helped him win the title today.”

Me
Both LD and LCW are fast and attacking players, neither one own the speed department. The winning edge here was mental focus and toughness, which LCW has 2 things going for him. 1. LCW inheritance mental advantage over LD 2. Extra positive home crowd energy to LCW.

[hcyong]

not to forgot the delete the points for last year's tournament

The points for last year's Malaysia Open were already taken out. That's why his ranking dropped to 8. Anyway, I think he will stay within the 5-8 ranking bracket. The good news if you are in that bracket, is that you cannot possibly meet Taufik before the semifinals (if Taufik is also in the 5-8 bracket)

[h2005]

Please please...video of MS, MD please:rolleyes: . DVD will do.

[event]

and almost same height too.

tutu_h,

Where do you get this idea that their height is similar?

This Athens list has LCW at 172cm:

http://www.athens2004.com/en/ParticipantBiography?pid=368031&rsc=BDM001000

...while Lin Dan is 178cm according to the IBF.

To put it another way, isn't LCW the shortest men's singles player in the top 20? let me answer my own question. Shoji Sato is apparently only 167cm and Agus Hariyanto is listed at 170. LCW has to be 3rd, though. Remember, you can't count the hair, even though Lin Dan has a comparable lid.

[y0ng]

Hi, anyone in Singapore record down today match?
Hope can borrom from you... too bad for me did not apply SCV..
PM me.. thx in advance...

I have it on DVD format. If you want, I could copy it and give it to you for free, but you have to come to my home to take it. PM me if you want.

[sunzhi]

The line call happened in game two only...and it won by Lin Dan,Third game
Lin Dan have a good start and lead my 8-1 b4 Change court,it was Lin Dan
sudden change of play that course him,he seems to be under presure
when LCW catch-up so much...This type of presure if cannot block will
course you fatal.This was what happened,the sudden drop of "Form"
also the major course,no the line call...it is the redeculous excuse.
I am a Singaporean and i watch the game live by pay-tv.Nothing Bias,
i report only the truth.Lee Chong Wei playing a very-very skillful game
tonight.


not true, the bad call was first noticed in the later part of game 1, if i am not wrong when lee was serving at 12-12 hence giving him the 13 mark. lin dan didn't lead at 8-1 before changing end, he was leading at 7-1 and then a bad line call when lee was serving. it somehow affected lin's momentum and lee started catching up and gained few straight points. well, bad calls happen everywhere and that is one of the advantage of playing at home...

i must agree that this is no excuse for blaming his lost. lin could (and should) hv wrapped the match in straight games, easily. no offense but look, lin started really well and was in total command and dictating lee who looked amateur. but so typical of lin, when he was in comfortable lead in game 1, he changed his pace and tried fancy shots and plays. no more aggressive attacks but start lifting... lee's lethal weapon is his quick and powerful smash and when he started getting points, confidence built up.. honestly, lin only had himself to blame for the lost. well, i know i am not in the position to evaluate his play, just my 2 cts and....

[event]

I dont reckon its fair to blame line judges/home support etc etc for a player losing... Maybe we should be like Taufik, and accept defeat Gracefully, and not be a sore loser,

"Taufik, who was affected by a stomach muscle pull during his game against Chong Wei, was disappointed but he did not show it.

“I do not want to give any excuses ... I lost,” said the soft-spoken player. "
source : The Star

This is ironic. As Newplayer pointed out in posting #387 to this thread, Taufik once walked off the court in Korea because of line calls. In fact, this was at the Asian Games in Busan in 2002. He walked off for ONE HOUR!! Not only did they not declare a forfeit, but they replaced the linespeople with international umpires who were waiting to umpire other games. Taufik still lost. He did win the individual singles gold in another final against a Korean player but again they didn't use Korean linespeople.

Some of the line calls in question were terrible. Two inches out and called in. About the telecast, one thing I noticed was that they didn't replay the point that caused Taufik to walk off. I've noticed a pattern of this at Korean tournaments. There seem to be a lot of calls that favour Korean athletes - Ng Wei vs. Ahn Hyun-suk at this year's Open was one example - and a lot of the questionable ones aren't replayed on TV. I might just be imagining this, however. I can't claim to have done a controlled experiment. They do have cameras trained only on the back line at the Korean tournaments and do a lot of replays. I didn't see any useful replays on the Chinese broadcast that made it to PPLive. They didn't seem to have any dedicated cameras for that purpose. They just had action cameras that often missed the contact point.

I agree that LCW seemed to benefit from bad calls at crucial times in the 1st and second games and it's no secret that he had nothing to complain about in terms of calls against him. It is also true that Lin Dan complained about some calls that seemed to have been clearly correct. Either way, I think that some players in some tournaments react better mentally than Lin Dan did yesterday but I don't know if that's a habit with him. The only thing that is clear is that Taufik is not the example to follow in this respect.

It's a shame that lines require so many people that using only international staff is impossible. There is always a third country umpire but the umpire has next to no influence on the point decisions. Extra contact with the shuttle is relatively rare as are net violations. The vast majority of decisions that can reflect game outcomes are made by local amateurs. Oh well, I guess that's one advantage to the biggest tournaments - Olympics, All England, Worlds - almost always ending up in places with few if any contenders. I mean since '92 the only exceptions have been the WC in Denmark in '99 and the handful of times that England has had contenders in Birmingham for the WC and AE. Okay, I guess the team competitions totally complicate that argument, don't they. I keep forgetting how important they are.

[sunzhi]

I think LCW was overall a better player... his net shot is tighter compared to Lin Dan and his crosscourt smash is supreme... he could have wraped it up easily in the 2nd game, however its so typical of him to let his guard down and try all the unecessary fancy net shot, thats why he has to stretched for rubber set...

Although a few line calls were strange... but as a professional and mature player, they shouldn't complain about it.... I thought it was very immature of Lin to temper with the umpire and has to drag his coach out of the seat to assess the situation...

agree with you that lin should have wrapped up the match with ease had he not change his game. i dont agree a professional player shouldnt complain if there are plenty of bad calls. lin did raise the issue with the umpire but he didnt make a scene outta it like taufik hidayat did in bushan asian games. but you know what, taufik who walked off court for more thn an hour in protest, at least proved his points and the linesmen were changed. in all fairness, biased line judges shd nt be tolerated.

[streamyx]

This is ironic. As Newplayer pointed out in posting #387 to this thread, Taufik once walked off the court in Korea because of line calls. In fact, this was at the Asian Games in Busan in 2002. He walked off for ONE HOUR!! Not only did they not declare a forfeit, but they replaced the linespeople with international umpires who were waiting to umpire other games. Taufik still lost. He did win the individual singles gold in another final against a Korean player but again they didn't use Korean linespeople.

Some of the line calls in question were terrible. Two inches out and called in. About the telecast, one thing I noticed was that they didn't replay the point that caused Taufik to walk off. I've noticed a pattern of this at Korean tournaments. There seem to be a lot of calls that favour Korean athletes - Ng Wei vs. Ahn Hyun-suk at this year's Open was one example - and a lot of the questionable ones aren't replayed on TV. I might just be imagining this, however. I can't claim to have done a controlled experiment. They do have cameras trained only on the back line at the Korean tournaments and do a lot of replays. I didn't see any useful replays on the Chinese broadcast that made it to PPLive. They didn't seem to have any dedicated cameras for that purpose. They just had action cameras that often missed the contact point.

I agree that LCW seemed to benefit from bad calls at crucial times in the 1st and second games and it's no secret that he had nothing to complain about in terms of calls against him. It is also true that Lin Dan complained about some calls that seemed to have been clearly correct. Either way, I think that some players in some tournaments react better mentally than Lin Dan did yesterday but I don't know if that's a habit with him. The only thing that is clear is that Taufik is not the example to follow in this respect.

It's a shame that lines require so many people that using only international staff is impossible. There is always a third country umpire but the umpire has next to no influence on the point decisions. Extra contact with the shuttle is relatively rare as are net violations. The vast majority of decisions that can reflect game outcomes are made by local amateurs. Oh well, I guess that's one advantage to the biggest tournaments - Olympics, All England, Worlds - almost always ending up in places with few if any contenders. I mean since '92 the only exceptions have been the WC in Denmark in '99 and the handful of times that England has had contenders in Birmingham for the WC and AE. Okay, I guess the team competitions totally complicate that argument, don't they. I keep forgetting how important they are.

Pls lah.. u people... those who comment about the "bad" line call. Did u all actually watch the live play?? LCW really play a high skill game, and u can see Lin Dan is running all around the court to return the shuttle. Even he dives several time to save the shuttle. Not counting number of times Lin Dan unable to guess or been fool from the pace and shuttle sended by LCW. Include tight and skillfull net shoot. What is all this?? U call this a bad line call?? huh?
So, if u people still insist that Lin Dan lost is due to bad line call. And If Lin does not think that his defect yesterday is to a better player.Then i can really said, Lin Dan is going to loss more. Because LCW had improve a lot and now he is one of a world class player.

[weeyet]

My opinion on why Taufik lost so easily to Chong Wei in Malaysia Open is partly due to his ambition in the WC. Coaches and players always have their own strategy and plan. Everytime you play at your best, your "secret weapon" or "killing weapon" will be studied by opponents, and your opponents will be getting more and more clearly to your style, they will absorb and try finding reaction ways for your tactics and skills. When Chong Wei defeated Hyun-il in last edition of MO(forgot which year?? or is it MO), HI was stunned by Chong Wei wrist skills.

Just my 2 cent

[sunzhi]

You are absolutely right.The line call were all made in fairness.If there any bad calls at all,it wasn't called to give lcw an unfair advantage.On the other hand lin was trying to be the linesman.His cockiness is one of the reason he lost to lcw.But there are so many good points why lcw wins tonight.He fought as hard as he could.He refused to give when he was trailing.He has good skills.In fact everyone should be proud of this young talent from Malaysian for cracking the Great Wall of China.It's good for badminton.Nobody can be invicible all the time.When you lose,lose sportingly.

like TOP-ACE, i ws also watching it live on pay tv and hs no relation with china or m'sia, hence making my comment from what i saw.. from the replays (kudos to the local tv crew for not cutting those bad calls like the korean did), there were couples of really bad judgements went against lin dan, some were really obvious.

[hcyong]

agree with you that lin should have wrapped up the match with ease had he not change his game. i dont agree a professional player shouldnt complain if there are plenty of bad calls. lin did raise the issue with the umpire but he didnt make a scene outta it like taufik hidayat did in bushan asian games. but you know what, taufik who walked off court for more thn an hour in protest, at least proved his points and the linesmen were changed. in all fairness, biased line judges shd nt be tolerated.

There were no cameras trained to the lines. What I judge myself from the live telecast was
1. A smash by Lin Dan that hit the line that was judged out.
2. A drop from Lee CW that was let go by Lin Dan, I thought it landed in, the linesman said in, Lin Dan protested, umpire said she saw it herself as the shot landed right in front of her.

Both players had to target the lines, as it looked like it was the only way to win. A lot of out shots from both players were very marginal. It should not be surprising that some shots may be deemed just out by the player and just in by the linejudge, and vice versa. Linejudging is analogous, not digital, as in there exist a grey area, no matter how small.

The way some players play is to vent out their frustration on the linejudge. Even in the MD match (in which the linejudges have no reason to be bias), there were several complaints from the Chinese pair. I think they were warned once by the umpire. It is not surprising. In many tense matches, you see players at least glaring, or showing some disgust, at the linesjudge. Not only in badminton. On the other hand, some players would totally ignore the calls, just take the judgement and carry on. It depends on their style, I guess.

[rwchen]

I don't think anyone is trying to take anything from Chong Wei's victory, his win justified he played better than LD. However, if it's true that there were bad line calls, the questionable calls should be rightly pointed out so that in future this obvious weakness may be rectified and badminton competition may be improved. I support to resort to new technology too.


Pls lah.. u people... those who comment about the "bad" line call. Did u all actually watch the live play?? LCW really play a high skill game, and u can see Lin Dan is running all around the court to return the shuttle. Even he dives several time to save the shuttle. Not counting number of times Lin Dan unable to guess or been fool from the pace and shuttle sended by LCW. Include tight and skillfull net shoot. What is all this?? U call this a bad line call?? huh?
So, if u people still insist that Lin Dan lost is due to bad line call. And If Lin does not think that his defect yesterday is to a better player.Then i can really said, Lin Dan is going to loss more. Because LCW had improve a lot and now he is one of a world class player.

[sunzhi]

Pls lah.. u people... those who comment about the "bad" line call. Did u all actually watch the live play?? LCW really play a high skill game, and u can see Lin Dan is running all around the court to return the shuttle. Even he dives several time to save the shuttle. Not counting number of times Lin Dan unable to guess or been fool from the pace and shuttle sended by LCW. Include tight and skillfull net shoot. What is all this?? U call this a bad line call?? huh?
So, if u people still insist that Lin Dan lost is due to bad line call. And If Lin does not think that his defect yesterday is to a better player.Then i can really said, Lin Dan is going to loss more. Because LCW had improve a lot and now he is one of a world class player.


very true, unfair to lee to relate his win through bad calls. but they were there, if you have chance to watch the game in tv, you will have clearer picture from the slow-mo replays. btw, 'diving' is lin's speciality, he does that in almost every game. lee sure has huge improvement since under li mao and hope he will do just great in the coming WC.

a litl note about lin dan's mental strength. to me, he has always shown his mental toughness with his never say die attitude even when he is far back in points, hence, 'always' wins in settings. but watching him in this match, maybe it's just his off day, he was like throwing and giving up the game when lee was ahead in game 3. lee's last few points wr kinda given by lin instead of won by lee. lin's returns and smashes were many inches wide, its just not him.. i m kinda worry that thr's a change in lin's mentality and perseverance to emerge victorious when he is trailling.. hope he isnt already satisfied with his so many wins..

my 2 cts..

[sunzhi]

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[sunzhi]

2. A drop from Lee CW that was let go by Lin Dan, I thought it landed in, the linesman said in, Lin Dan protested, umpire said she saw it herself as the shot landed right in front of her.


that call looked out to me... i will watch it again ;) agree with your point of players venting their frustration on the linejudges..

[sunzhi]

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[sunzhi]

more captures on MD....

[maxwellian]

I have it on DVD format. If you want, I could copy it and give it to you for free, but you have to come to my home to take it. PM me if you want.

Hi Yong: Tried pm and email but you have switched off both options. I live in S'pore and is keen to have a copy of the MS and MD matches. When/where can I lay my hands on them? You can contact me by pm or email to maxwellian2005@gmail.com

Thanks in advance.

[sunzhi]

more captures on MD...

[sunzhi]

more captures on MD...

[event]

very true, unfair to lee to relate his win through bad calls. but they were there, if you have chance to watch the game in tv, you will have clearer picture from the slow-mo replays. btw, 'diving' is lin's speciality, he does that in almost every game. lee sure has huge improvement since under li mao and hope he will do just great in the coming WC.

a litl note about lin dan's mental strength. to me, he has always shown his mental toughness with his never say die attitude even when he is far back in points, hence, 'always' wins in settings. but watching him in this match, maybe it's just his off day, he was like throwing and giving up the game when lee was ahead in game 3. lee's last few points wr kinda given by lin instead of won by lee. lin's returns and smashes were many inches wide, its just not him.. i m kinda worry that thr's a change in lin's mentality and perseverance to emerge victorious when he is trailling.. hope he isnt already satisfied with his so many wins..

my 2 cts..

My point exactly. I am sure that nobody denies what Streamyx said about the strength of Lee's game. The deception, the net shots, and, of course, those cross-court smashes all were just amazing. I just would have liked to have seen all of that without the line call problems and this kind of thing happens more when there is someone playing at home; moreover, I can't remember ever seeing a home player complaining about calls. If there were a way to eliminate it, that would be fantastic.

I, too, got the impression that Lin Dan stopped trying immediately after the line arguments. At the same time, Lee made some incredible plays in the same set of points. He did get his head back into it in the setting of the first game but Lee's own perseverance and skill meant that wasn't enough.

[verve_pipe]

where is li yongbo! i've not seen him through put MO...

[KourKK]

I think ANY player, being able to fight from 10-0 down shows his mental toughness, like Wong Choon Han Agaisnt Lin Dan in the All Englands, He was one set down, And losing 8-0 in the second set, he gave it his all and won the set, although he lost the game overall... 10-0 down and coming back to win the set shows determination by Chong Wei

[kokcheng]

No matter what happens at MO,the fact is Lcw won the match against lin dan.Line calls controversy does not only happen in Malaysia.It happens everywhere in the world.It happens in all kinds of sports.Heard of the hand of God.Lin Dan may be still the better player than Lcw,but on the night of 11th July 2005 Lcw is the champion.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[wilfredlgf]

On a neutral note, an almost one year stint away from world badminton had be surprised with the kind of improvement LCW had been making. I didn't thought he was a match for BaoCL until I watched the game. Line calls aside, I'd say his weapon of deception, tricks and net control makes him such a different player from what I remember he was like almost a year ago.

I must say, getting Yonex equipments does make him a better player does it? :)

[maxwellian]

I think the credit for Lee CW's improvement has to be himself, then Li Mao for his coaching. But some credit must go to Misbun cos even before Li Mao took over, Lee has already starting to show his immense potential. His footwork, net and deceptive plays and even, his smashes are starting to develop into lethal weapons. He was finalist at last year's S'pore Open, then under Misbun's coaching.

I believed Li Mao sharpened the edges around those weapons and most significantly has worked to improve Lee's fitness (though still not up to the level of Lin Dan, I guessed).:)

[Syaoran_Style]

I think ANY player, being able to fight from 10-0 down shows his mental toughness, like Wong Choon Han Agaisnt Lin Dan in the All Englands, He was one set down, And losing 8-0 in the second set, he gave it his all and won the set, although he lost the game overall... 10-0 down and coming back to win the set shows determination by Chong Wei

camilla martin, in 2001 against kim ji hyun ( i don't remember the exact name), at the korea open final ( kim ji hyun stopped her career after this open ).
Kim was leading 10-0 in the rubber !!!! after that camille shouted ARE YOU READY !!! and she fought back and won the game and the match 13-11 ... =)
this is quite extraordinary .. many players are able with "the fighting spirit" lol
to come back in a match =p

[ants]

camilla martin, in 2001 against kim ji hyun ( i don't remember the exact name), at the korea open final ( kim ji hyun stopped her career after this open ).
Kim was leading 10-0 in the rubber !!!! after that camille shouted ARE YOU READY !!! and she fought back and won the game and the match 13-11 ... =)
this is quite extraordinary .. many players are able with "the fighting spirit" lol
to come back in a match =p

You mean Camilla shouted at Kim?

[Syaoran_Style]

You mean Camilla shouted at Kim?

if i remember from what i read yes =p
well i'm going to make a research ... =p

[ctjcad]

don't forget the legend Rudy Hartono..In one of the AE tourney, if not mistaken against Morten Frost?? he was down like 1-13 or 1-14 and rallied back to win the set..


camilla martin, in 2001 against kim ji hyun ( i don't remember the exact name), at the korea open final ( kim ji hyun stopped her career after this open ).
Kim was leading 10-0 in the rubber !!!! after that camille shouted ARE YOU READY !!! and she fought back and won the game and the match 13-11 ... =)
this is quite extraordinary .. many players are able with "the fighting spirit" lol
to come back in a match =p

[taneepak]

don't forget the legend Rudy Hartono..In one of the AE tourney, if not mistaken against Morten Frost?? he was down like 1-13 or 1-14 and rallied back to win the set..

I don't think it was Morten Frost as Rudy Hartono and Marten Frost were generations apart. Hartono belonged to the 1960s and 1970s, Frost 1980s.

[rwchen]

May be it's Malaysia's Punch Gunalan.




I don't think it was Morten Frost as Rudy Hartono and Marten Frost were generations apart. Hartono belonged to the 1960s and 1970s, Frost 1980s.

[pak_erte]

I think it's Sven Pri of Denmark. Rudy went on to win the title...

[sunzhi]

I don't think it was Morten Frost as Rudy Hartono and Marten Frost were generations apart. Hartono belonged to the 1960s and 1970s, Frost 1980s.

if i m not wrong, Rudy Hartono was still active playing till late 70s (his last AE final appearance ws 1978) and played in 1982 Thomas Cup final as well. Morten Frost on the othr hand started playing in the late 70s, so they might have met somewhere.. ;)

[kokcheng]

I think the credit for Lee CW's improvement has to be himself, then Li Mao for his coaching. But some credit must go to Misbun cos even before Li Mao took over, Lee has already starting to show his immense potential. His footwork, net and deceptive plays and even, his smashes are starting to develop into lethal weapons. He was finalist at last year's S'pore Open, then under Misbun's coaching.

I believed Li Mao sharpened the edges around those weapons and most significantly has worked to improve Lee's fitness (though still not up to the level of Lin Dan, I guessed).:)Credit should also go to his first coach.The unsung hero who mould lcw to be a world class player now.

[Slugs]

Umpires should make a point to distinguish between the genuine case of players slipping due to the wet floor as apposed to just plain diving before calling for the use of the mop. I can't help noticing occasions when players tend to make a meal out of their falls by insisting on the use of the mop even though the element of slipping was in doubt.... clearly they had to dive to retrieve the shuttle.

Aren't those unecessary moppings then serve as masks to assuage their deflated egos?

[Anatolii]

Umpires should make a point to distinguish between the genuine case of players slipping due to the wet floor as apposed to just plain diving before calling for the use of the mop. I can't help noticing occasions when players tend to make a meal out of their falls by insisting on the use of the mop even though the element of slipping was in doubt.... clearly they had to dive to retrieve the shuttle.
why shouldn't the mop be called for after a dive? :confused: surely some sweat droplets would have landed on the floor after a dive, and so to prevent potential slipping, a mop-up would be ideal?

[Slugs]

why shouldn't the mop be called for after a dive? :confused: surely some sweat droplets would have landed on the floor after a dive, and so to prevent potential slipping, a mop-up would be ideal?

From that perspective, yes I see the point too.

[h2005]

I have it on DVD format. If you want, I could copy it and give it to you for free, but you have to come to my home to take it. PM me if you want.

Hi,
I schedule to be in Singapore this weekend (20th Aug). Do you still have the Singapore Open Taufik-LinDan, MD final?