Im quite excited about having badminton in the sea games.....The last time we over threw the Singaporeans...i hope this time we can kick the thais out of the race......hehehehehe

Not to disappoint every Filipinos out here including me, but our players are not yet in the level of other countries at the moment that includes Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, etc...



Im quite excited about having badminton in the sea games.....The last time we over threw the Singaporeans...i hope this time we can kick the thais out of the race......hehehehehe

The Thais improved alot recently. They have upgraded their training system. I think the Philippinos still have alot do to. But i'm sure in the next 5 years with the proper trainning and a good pool of players. Philippines will be in the whos whos of badminton.

Not to disappoint every Filipinos out here including me, but our players are not yet in the level of other countries at the moment that includes Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, etc...

I think the over all ranking in badminton SEA would be Indonesia, followed by Malaysia, then Thailand, The PHILIPPINES, Singapore....Vietnam....

Singapore's Susilo is one great player but thats only one guy, Im talking about the whole team here....The Asunscions, who got a bronze last SEA games really pulled us off ahead of the Singaporeans...We also beated Singapore's mens doubles in the last SEA games.

Well, im just hoping we could still beat them...i mean, we really have great players here! I can feel it through my veins. Hahahhah

I think the over all ranking in badminton SEA would be Indonesia, followed by Malaysia, then Thailand, The PHILIPPINES, Singapore....Vietnam....

Singapore's Susilo is one great player but thats only one guy, Im talking about the whole team here....The Asunscions, who got a bronze last SEA games really pulled us off ahead of the Singaporeans...We also beated Singapore's mens doubles in the last SEA games.

Well, im just hoping we could still beat them...i mean, we really have great players here! I can feel it through my veins. Hahahhah

I don't know how long you've been into badminton and if you're relative new, I can't blame you for being excited about your countrymen and wanting them to do well.

In the world of badminton, the Philippines still has a long way to go. The present boom and popularity of badminton there will help speed up the pace no doubt. But when it comes to quality, there is no short-cut in the sense that you need committed players and offcials, including first-class coaches, and good facilities and support from the authorities. In Southeast Asia, where you have many of the world's best players from Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, it is difficult to win badminton medals at the SEA Games from these players.

At the last SEA Games 2003 in Vietnam, Singapore's badminto performance is as follows:

Gold: Women's Team
Bronze: MS (Ronald Susilo), WS (Jiang Yanmei and Li Li), WD (Jiang & Xiao Luxi) and Men's Team.

Tell me what was Philippines' performance then? Did they beat us and the Thais?

This year's SEA Games will be in Manila, your home country. Care to make a prediction on your badminton team (both men and women)? :)

I really disagree with you there.

Believe me, Philippines is not yet in the top 5.

I think the over all ranking in badminton SEA would be Indonesia, followed by Malaysia, then Thailand, The PHILIPPINES, Singapore....Vietnam....

Singapore's Susilo is one great player but thats only one guy, Im talking about the whole team here....The Asunscions, who got a bronze last SEA games really pulled us off ahead of the Singaporeans...We also beated Singapore's mens doubles in the last SEA games.

Well, im just hoping we could still beat them...i mean, we really have great players here! I can feel it through my veins. Hahahhah

based on present performance, i would put Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand on the same platform. this followed by Singapore. i think the Phillipines still has a long way to go and i would be very happy to see a Phillipino to challenge the elites in the future.

based on present performance, i would put Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand on the same platform. this followed by Singapore. i think the Phillipines still has a long way to go and i would be very happy to see a Phillipino to challenge the elites in the future.

I totally agree with you 100% !

I'm just curious how many of the Singaporeans mentioned are natural born Singaporeans and not "imported" from Indonesia or China?

I'd rank them..

1. Indonesia
2. Malaysia
3. Thailand
4. Singapore
5. Philippines

Singapore has the edge over the Philippines in terms of quantity of really good players. Hopefully our youngsters will get better and better.

I'm just curious how many of the Singaporeans mentioned are natural born Singaporeans and not "imported" from Indonesia or China?

This question of foreign talent" has been discussed many times in this Forum and particular mention has been made in Singapore's case. If you care to search you'll find the answers.

It is futile to continue asking the same or related questions as it is unhelpful. The country's sports leadership will have to decided how best to develop the various games and bring it up to world standards. Taking a page from the experience of others may help one to do better.

So long as you play by the rules you are at liberty to chart out your programmes to achieve certain results. Remember you may have the best local talent but not having the will, commitment, resources, etc. to nurture and develop it will be useless in the end! ;)

I'd rank them..

1. Indonesia
2. Malaysia
3. Thailand
4. Singapore
5. Philippines

Singapore has the edge over the Philippines in terms of quantity of really good players. Hopefully our youngsters will get better and better.

You have a very tough contender in Vietnam! :D

I don't necessarily disagree with "naturalizing" foreign talent since everyone else is doing it. The joke in the stands at the MVP cup is that its not Asia vs Europe but Asia vs Asia. One of the reasons Nelson Asuncion (father of Kennie and Kennevic) was eased out as Philippine national coach was because he was a main proponent of naturalizing the Indonesian and Chinese trainers to represent the Philippines in competition.

I don't know how long you've been into badminton and if you're relative new, I can't blame you for being excited about your countrymen and wanting them to do well.

In the world of badminton, the Philippines still has a long way to go. The present boom and popularity of badminton there will help speed up the pace no doubt. But when it comes to quality, there is no short-cut in the sense that you need committed players and offcials, including first-class coaches, and good facilities and support from the authorities. In Southeast Asia, where you have many of the world's best players from Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, it is difficult to win badminton medals at the SEA Games from these players.

At the last SEA Games 2003 in Vietnam, Singapore's badminto performance is as follows:

Gold: Women's Team
Bronze: MS (Ronald Susilo), WS (Jiang Yanmei and Li Li), WD (Jiang & Xiao Luxi) and Men's Team.

Tell me what was Philippines' performance then? Did they beat us and the Thais?

This year's SEA Games will be in Manila, your home country. Care to make a prediction on your badminton team (both men and women)? :)

Badminton is indeed the game to watch this coming SEA games.......Im looking more particularly between the Philippines, Singapore and Vietnam...To whom will the fourth place be, well just have to see......hehehhehe

;) Nguyen tien Minh in my country is a good racket,in Phi 2005, he will wins in all match !!!

;) Nguyen tien Minh in my country is a good racket,in Phi 2005, he will wins in all match !!!


I've seen him play. He can be a very good contender for the Sea Games.

Of Course !!! Ntm Is Brother's Friend:d !!!
But I Like Taufik , He Is No'1

Hey guys, let us just all enjoy the games. No bashing of opponents in this forum, specially the players' natioinalities. We are all related for the love of the sport.

Of Course !!! Ntm Is Brother's Friend:d !!!
But I Like Taufik , He Is No'1

Yes NTM is a good player and I'm glad you said Taufik is No. 1 because there is no way NTM can beat Taufik in the SEA Games, not unless Taufik is injured and has to give up.

NTM will also find it hard to overcome many of Malaysia's top players like Chong Wei, Hafiz and Choong Hann. So NTM will not be able to win every match if he is unlucky enough to meet these players and even Thailand's Boonsak! I think NTM has lost once to our own player, Kendrick Lee. :p

i would hope ronald to take down sea games tough. hahas

i would hope ronald to take down sea games tough. hahas

i thought susilo just really hurt his achiles tendon in the world champs first round????


i think he'll be out for quite a while. it would be great if he could make it for the sea games tho



cheers from neighbour Malaysia

8man

i thought susilo just really hurt his achiles tendon in the world champs first round????


i think he'll be out for quite a while. it would be great if he could make it for the sea games tho



cheers from neighbour Malaysia

8man

Yes, Ronald is seriously injured and will definitely be out of the SEA Games unfortunately. He may not be able to make it to the Commonwealth Games either. Singapore will find it very tough going during the SEA Games and I personally don't expect much. :(

Yes, Ronald is seriously injured and will definitely be out of the SEA Games unfortunately. He may not be able to make it to the Commonwealth Games either. Singapore will find it very tough going during the SEA Games and I personally don't expect much. :(

oh yeah! i forgot that he have to stay off court for 6 months which means he wouldnt make it for SEA games. oh no! not even commonwealth? that's really very sad. hais.

Yes NTM is a good player and I'm glad you said Taufik is No. 1 because there is no way NTM can beat Taufik in the SEA Games, not unless Taufik is injured and has to give up.

NTM will also find it hard to overcome many of Malaysia's top players like Chong Wei, Hafiz and Choong Hann. So NTM will not be able to win every match if he is unlucky enough to meet these players and even Thailand's Boonsak! I think NTM has lost once to our own player, Kendrick Lee. :p
Hi hi hi , NTM won Taufik in Malaysia 05 in semi , do u know ?

Hi hi hi , NTM won Taufik in Malaysia 05 in semi , do u know ?

really? i just know LCW won taufik in qf in m'o this year....
BTW, who is NTM?

really? i just know LCW won taufik in qf in m'o this year....
BTW, who is NTM?


NTM is known as Nguyen Tien Minh. He is from Vietnam. A young player , very fast.

NTM is known as Nguyen Tien Minh. He is from Vietnam. A young player , very fast.

thank you a lot:)
i hope i can watch his performance sometime

yea actually i do think vietnam is a little better in terms of quality than phillipines.but it wont be difficult to beat singapore in the mans team event.just aim our doubles.we are really weak in that.we dont have some heros lik kkk/chan cm or sigit/candra.and without susilo it will really be another blow.dont expect much from singapore this time.just a credible performance will do.indonesia will dominate this whole tournament.but the event to watch will be the surely be xd and md.so guys keep a good lookout for this matches.cheers:cool:

Philippines arrived later to badminton than other Asian countries, but I predict that as badminton evolves there over the next couple of years, they will be major contenders together with China, etc. As far as I understand, Philippines is already a considerable force in doubles, but have yet to really have an impact in singles.

From the SEA Games website

By Starr Corpuz

After its stint in the 2005 Chinese Taipei Satellite Badminton Championships and a month of training in China , the National badminton team is hoping to make an impact in the 23rd Southeast Asian Games.

To boost their chances of surpassing their one medal finish in the 2003 Hanoi Games, Kennevic and Kennie Asuncion, ranked 22nd in mixed doubles, together with 14 other members of team participated in aTaipei tournament held last August 31 to September 4.

Ten days after the event, the 16-member squad flew to Guangzhou , China for their month long training as part of the RP-China sports accord.

Aside from the Asuncion siblings, the only rated Filipino players in the world, the other members of the team include Lloyd Escoses, Rodel Bartolome, Ian Piencenaves, Arolas Amahit Jr., Jaime Junio, Owen Lopez, Mark Natividad, Marlon Villarin, Christopher Flores, Paula Obañana, Irene Chiu, Karyn Velez, Vanessa Tanco and Amada Carpo.

They are joined by coaches Martin Araneta, Antonio Mance, Ronald Magnaye and Allan de Leon.

With the games formally unfolding Sunday, Araneta is confident the team will do better this time with the support given to the athletes.

"I hope many Filipinos realize badminton is a sport where we can excel. Given the proper support, we will be able to move forward,” said Araneta.

The Indons and Malaysians are again expected to dominate every event in Badminton, especially if Athens Olympic gold medalist Taufik Hidayat and 2005 Swiss Open champion Hafiz Hashim will be playing for their respective countries.

Kennevic Asuncion, ranked 82nd in the world men's singles has the best chance of winning a medal in the singles event. He will once again team up with sister Kennie to defend their bronze medal in mixed doubles during the 2003 Sea Games in Vietnam.

* On a personal note I hope the Phil players can take a scalp or two. That would really get the crowd into it and stir further interest in the sport. In any case good luck to all nations but I see only INA, MAS and maybe SIN taking the golds.

Kennevic Asuncion, ranked 82nd in the world men's singles has the best chance of winning a medal in the singles event. He will once again team up with sister Kennie to defend their bronze medal in mixed doubles during the 2003 Sea Games in Vietnam.

Sorry to say, but i think it's quite impossible for them to retain their title. With the malaysian, indo, thailand and singapore pair, it will be very difficult. But i do wish them the best of luck and it's actually quite nice to see Philippines win for a change!

Sorry to say, but i think it's quite impossible for them to retain their title. With the malaysian, indo, thailand and singapore pair, it will be very difficult. But i do wish them the best of luck and it's actually quite nice to see Philippines win for a change!

Like I said it would be great to see the Phil players create an upset or two. That's probably the most realistic scenario for them. You're right about there being superior XD pairs ahead of the Phil duo. I predict THA for gold, INA for silver, MAS/SIN for the bronze. But you never know what a home crowd can do for you (see US in World Championships)

btw. r u guys talking about individual or team event???

if you r talking about team event, we should talk about the strategy of arranging the players thru' Head-to-Head records.

if you r talking about individual event, the prediction is easier as Taufik is not playing in the individual event.

MS draw
1st Half
(1)Lee Chong Wei MAS
(6)Lee Yen Hui Kendrick SIN vs (8)Nguyen Tien Minh VIE
(3)Boonsak Ponsana THA
(5)Simon Santoso INA vs Wally Fernandez PHI

2nd Half
(11)Nguyen Quang Minh VIE vs (7)Ronald Susilo SIN
(4)Sony Dwi Kuncoro INA
(9)Poompat Sapkulchananart THA vs (10)Kennevic Asuncion PHI
(2)Mohd Hafiz Hashim MAS

(x) - seeding for this tournament.

Men's Doubles

1st Half

(1)Luluk/Alven INA
Nguyen Hoang Hai/Quang Phong VIE
(5)Sudket Prapakamol/Photapol Ngensrisuk THA
(4)Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah MAS vs Ian Piencenaves/Arolas Amahit PHI

2nd Half

(7)Koo Kian Teck/Alvin Fu SIN vs Jamie Junio/Mark Alvin PHI
(3)Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan INA
Tan Thanh Hai/Quang Minh VIE vs (6)Songphol/Nitipong THA
(2)Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat MAS

hi guys... pls enlighten me here... so is Ronald taking part in the SEA Games??? His name is in the draw but thought he was supposed to be recuperating?? :confused:

i saw ronald and the rest of the singapore team yesterday practicing, i think he's not going to play 'cuz the way he walked yesterday, he was kinda limping and he didnt play as intense as the others, then just this afternoon i watched team indonesia practice as well as thailand early this evening. everybody was practicing real hard and having i great time, specially me:D

i saw ronald and the rest of the singapore team yesterday practicing, i think he's not going to play 'cuz the way he walked yesterday, he was kinda limping and he didnt play as intense as the others, then just this afternoon i watched team indonesia practice as well as thailand early this evening. everybody was practicing real hard and having i great time, specially me:D

did you manage to take pics with the players? all of them seems to be in a rush after the sessions.

just chatted with ronald few days ago. He still have to ice his legs.

i don't think ronald will be playing.he carn possible playing a match limping thoughout.

yah... read from the papers...he's most prob acting as a decoy ....:rolleyes:

hopefully he can fully recuperate in time to take part in next yr's main tourneys..

Ronald confirm not playing.Aaron Tan of SIngapore will replace ronald.(got this information from singapore badminton association website.)

Ronald confirm not playing.Aaron Tan of SIngapore will replace ronald.(got this information from singapore badminton association website.)

yeah.. i saw this piece of info too... guess ronald can only dish out advices and strategies from the sidelines now... Good Luck Team Singapore!

yeah.. i saw this piece of info too... guess ronald can only dish out advices and strategies from the sidelines now... Good Luck Team Singapore!

Yeah. Good luck Singapore....though i don't really put any hope on the men's side. But still, good luck!

did you manage to take pics with the players? all of them seems to be in a rush after the sessions.

just chatted with ronald few days ago. He still have to ice his legs.

yup their always in a hurry, they practiced for 2hrs. did take their pictures but i cant seem to upload it.

;) Nguyen tien Minh in my country is a good racket,in Phi 2005, he will wins in all match !!!

i agree. i think he's good and will definitely be a contender someday. i watched him play last night against kendrick lee of singapore. unfortunately, he lost. maybe because nobody was cheering for him. a large group of singaporean delegates were there to cheer for their team.:) vietnman has some other very good players also. in fact, they won their singles matches.

I think the over all ranking in badminton SEA would be Indonesia, followed by Malaysia, then Thailand, The PHILIPPINES, Singapore....Vietnam....

Singapore's Susilo is one great player but thats only one guy, Im talking about the whole team here....The Asunscions, who got a bronze last SEA games really pulled us off ahead of the Singaporeans...We also beated Singapore's mens doubles in the last SEA games.

Well, im just hoping we could still beat them...i mean, we really have great players here! I can feel it through my veins. Hahahhah


Tsk tsk tsk. That was so much too soon. The Philippines was eliminated on the first night. Not even one set won. Kakahiya! I think we oughta get our feet out of our mouths and practice more.

Sorry to say, but i think it's quite impossible for them to retain their title. With the malaysian, indo, thailand and singapore pair, it will be very difficult. But i do wish them the best of luck and it's actually quite nice to see Philippines win for a change!

I agree! Long way to go for the Philippines but the ride looks good. We were there during the first night and our cheers didn't really work. We ended up cheering for Kendrick Lee instead. Even just one set won would've been great for the crowd. Oh well, someday! :o

Congratulation on Vietnam team won Bronze medal in the men team! Congratulation Tien Minh, Quang Minh, Thanh Hai, Quang Phong, Hoang Hai, Nguyen Nhung, Thanh Thao, Thanh Thuy, Binh Tho, Thi Trang and all... Congratulation on all the effects of our team. Victory is not the most important thing but you are always in our hearts.
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we got clobbered in the first round, but it's okay. let it be a wake up call for us (but believe me, we're wide awake already hehehe)

philippine badminton still has a long way to go, and a recent chat with the former head coach confirms that there is a big gap between the ranked asuncion siblings and whoever will take their place... simply because there aren't any young'uns stepping up yet.

but the sport is starting to make serious inroads in the philippines, and just for that, we filipino shuttlers feel like champs already. :D

we got clobbered in the first round, but it's okay. let it be a wake up call for us (but believe me, we're wide awake already hehehe)

philippine badminton still has a long way to go, and a recent chat with the former head coach confirms that there is a big gap between the ranked asuncion siblings and whoever will take their place... simply because there aren't any young'uns stepping up yet.

but the sport is starting to make serious inroads in the philippines, and just for that, we filipino shuttlers feel like champs already. :D


How badminton coaches in Philippine ?

I read in local news Minarti Timur & Bambang Suprianto played in INA Open 2005 after take holiday from Philippine (as coach).

And as I knew that Kwee Tek Ming (former Indonesia double player) played for Philippine in some tournaments.

How badminton coaches in Philippine ?
I read in local news Minarti Timur & Bambang Suprianto played in INA Open 2005 after take holiday from Philippine (as coach).


Well..I met Minarti Timur and had a short chat with her and an Indonesian official during the HK Open earlier this month. She was there accompanying the Phi team. I think she is still coaching there. Not sure abt Bambang though.

How badminton coaches in Philippine ?

I read in local news Minarti Timur & Bambang Suprianto played in INA Open 2005 after take holiday from Philippine (as coach).

And as I knew that Kwee Tek Ming (former Indonesia double player) played for Philippine in some tournaments.

Hi Sandy,

There are quite a few badminton coaches here, most of them home grown.
unfortunately, as with other countries, there are opposing factions within the ranks.

You have the Asuncion's, you have the Chan's among others.

About the Philippine Badminton Association, it's a circus, reeking of corruption (according to public perception) yet woefully short on funds. :(

Hi Sandy,

There are quite a few badminton coaches here, most of them home grown.
unfortunately, as with other countries, there are opposing factions within the ranks.

You have the Asuncion's, you have the Chan's among others.

About the Philippine Badminton Association, it's a circus, reeking of corruption (according to public perception) yet woefully short on funds. :(

this is the biggest challenge for phil badminton, and phil sports in general - to get rid of corruption (highly improbable but not impossible) and dramatically lessen the politics in sports...maybe then we can be serious contenders in the world stage...good luck to our athletes!

saw a snippet of the doubles match between singapore and phils tonight...can't remember who though haha...the phil duo gave the singapore pair a run for their money in the second set but lost in the rubber match...:eek:

ive seen Nguyen Tien Minh play, hes really fast, gave me a scare when he beat LCW in the first set and in the second set he was way ahead(like 8-0) and LCW just forced a rubber match and won the third set, during the second set there was this very very very long rally:) after that, both of them just crouch on their ends of the court and the spectators gave them a loud applause, and after the game which i think took more than an hour we gave them a big cheer for a very good game they gave us.