Just read from online Indonesian newspaper (Kompas) that out of 20 players who are qualified for WC 2005, only 10 of them will be sent to represent INA.

They are :
MS : Taufik Hidayat, Sony Dwi Kuncoro
MS : Chandra/Sigit, Flandy/Eng Hian, Luluk/Alven
MX : Nova/Lilyana

The reason is because these players have more chance to reach at least semifinal rather than the other 10 players who are qualified but wont be sent to WC 2005, seems PBSI does not want to waste their money...but i just feel it will create big dissapointment to those who are qualified but wont be sent to WC...
Especially for Markhis Kido/Hendra, although they are the weakest MD player compared with those seniors but they are still young and thir result quite promising for new comer...dissapointed...hope PBSI will change their decision.

I think it's ridiculous not to send the player because money thing although we are on economic crisis (that never end) now

These PSBI offical are really short sighted. This is a good chance for the younger players to gain expenice. No wonder Indonesia no long dominate MS and MD like 10 years ago.

Markis Kidho/Hendra decide to pay their own airline ticket if PBSI wont send them to the WC2005, even thir coach, Christian Hadinata dissapointed with PBSI decision not to send them to the WC 05...

they shouldn't have made Sutiyoso a chairman. he barely knows badminton. It's like asking tarzan how to fix a spaceship. This boils me:mad: :mad: :mad: . A lot of disapointment here, especially from those who skipped SO and MO so that they can be at WC.

Yes, confirmed about the news, just read also on Jawapos online..

Boy, what a big disappointment and embarrassment this has to be. Disappointments esp. to the players who have been eagerly anticipating and waiting for this chance as they've qualified. But, what else is new, PBSI is rearing it's ugly head again, and the culprit is none other than MONEY issue.
Just because PBSI is not wise and did not kept their words on this, many people will look back at PBSI and question "has anything really change??"..

According to the article, PBSI will not send any of its up-and-coming young players. Actually PBSI is using the criteria of "can the players being sent to the WC capable of reaching the SF round?" as a selection mode. And after overseeing and making judgment done by the coaches and Rudy Hartono, they've decided to send only 10 players instead of the proposed 20 players. None of the Women's field will be sent(WS nor WD). But behind all this they're actually using an excuse that PBSI is not ready financially as the main reason. Further some if not most people have questioned the wisdom and decision being made from the head of PBSI, Sutiyoso. Esp. after the recent events(ie. Badminton on Streets, Asian Junior Championship, ABC General meeting and last the Legend Duel) held in Jakarta which the cost ran to close to $1,000,000 they've estimated, they've actually could send all 20 players with a budget of around $50,000(airline ticket/person is around $1300, accommodation/per person is around $1200). Cost that is much less than than $100,000..
Even some of the WS players who have been training and being prepared by Hendrawan the past 2-3 months will not come along as well, as they've already promised and been training for. They even skipped the Singapore Open and Malaysian Open just to have an extra time for this WC preparation.
One of the PBSI member even wonder, why at least the younger players, even if they don't have any chance, at least they can gain valuable experience playing in a big and important event. He compared China and Korea who are able to send quite a few of their young players.

IMO, after looking at the list of players, realistically I don't think Sony will have a chance to reach the SF. If PBSI thinks otherwise, then they are putting much pressure on Sony. Maybe not even Flandy/Eng Hian. What if in the MD, those 3 pairs will play against each other before the QF??If the news is true about Hendra and Markis willing to pay for their own airline tickets, just so they can go the WC, it will be really embarrassing for PBSI. What happened to their commitment and promises??Where is Rudy Hartono, the new head honcho of the National Development and Achievement, when you need him??I though he was "calling the shots" and Sutiyoso will follow??.. Yes, i agree with another poster here, hopefully PBSI will think back and change their decision..

I think PBSI is gambling a bit here, because they are thinking "short-term". But in "longer-term", this gamble could backfire in the future as their trust to the players, as well as to the coaches, is at stake. Unbelievable... :confused:

Just read from online Indonesian newspaper (Kompas) that out of 20 players who are qualified for WC 2005, only 10 of them will be sent to represent INA.

They are :
MS : Taufik Hidayat, Sony Dwi Kuncoro
MS : Chandra/Sigit, Flandy/Eng Hian, Luluk/Alven
MX : Nova/Lilyana

The reason is because these players have more chance to reach at least semifinal rather than the other 10 players who are qualified but wont be sent to WC 2005, seems PBSI does not want to waste their money...but i just feel it will create big dissapointment to those who are qualified but wont be sent to WC...
Especially for Markhis Kido/Hendra, although they are the weakest MD player compared with those seniors but they are still young and thir result quite promising for new comer...dissapointed...hope PBSI will change their decision.

If they are the fourth MD from INA and not among the top 8 in the world, I don't think they are qualified. The only event there will be four representitives from a single country would be China in WD, where their top four pairs are all in the top FIVE in the ranking.


Especially for Markhis Kido/Hendra, although they are the weakest MD player compared with those seniors but they are still young and thir result quite promising for new comer...dissapointed...hope PBSI will change their decision.

They are indeed qualified for WC 2005, it is true that at the beginning only China can send 4 pairs of WD, but at the end IBF decided to enter some additional players to be qualified for WC2005 and some of them are Markis/Hendra.

Please click the link below to see the final entries for WC 2005
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=10&ItemID=1831

If they are the fourth MD from INA and not among the top 8 in the world, I don't think they are qualified. The only event there will be four representitives from a single country would be China in WD, where their top four pairs are all in the top FIVE in the ranking.

I think it's a foolish mistake PBSI did. The young players should be sent in order to get experience, especially the pressure in the big tournaments.
It is really ridiculuous.
In the badminton era nowadays, we cannot even guarantee that our best player will reach semifinal, final etc. I mean, it's not a guarantee that players like Taufik will reach the target. So many good players now. It will be a hard and tough competition.

For Markis/Hendra, I hope you will not be down due to this stupid decision.
PBSI, you should think carefully before you decided, remember Markis/Hendra will be Indonesian assets in the future.

If PBSI always do like this, don't ever dream that Thomas, Uber and Sudirman Cup will go back to Indonesia. Remember, the regeneration takes time and a moment like WC 2005 is the time to gain more experience for players.

I don't know what exactly the problem, but I don't believe that the problem is money.

Yes, confirmed about the news, just read also on Jawapos online..

Boy, what a big disappointment and embarrassment this has to be. Disappointments esp. to the players who have been eagerly anticipating and waiting for this chance as they've qualified. But, what else is new, PBSI is rearing it's ugly head again, and the culprit is none other than MONEY issue.
Just because PBSI is not wise and did not kept their words on this, many people will look back at PBSI and question "has anything really change??"..
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YUP, has read the news on Kompas online yesterday and today. Today, there is an article about comments made by Rudi Hartono. It seems that PBSI is now more target-oriented vs future-oriented. There was this comment abt "Indonesians will be disappointed if the players sent lost to Hong-Kong or Thai players", etc etc, which I think is simply rubbish!

Markhis Kidho/Hendra Setiawan should be sent because they are the assets of the future as one of u mentioned here. Let them have the experience of playing top teams...so what if they lost ? Look at Cai/Fu. They were sent to WC2003 and surprisingly went all the way to semi-final, before losing to Candra/Sigit. This is the tournament all players are dying to play in....and forget abt targets! Flandy/Eng Hian are instead sent even though they are ranked lower than Markhis/Hendra...and we know that they are going to retire in the near future....its really an unwise decision!

When can the women team improve if they are not sent to tournaments? They have already beeen excluded most tournamnets this year, including the recent Singapore and Malaysian Open so that they can be better prepared for the WC. Now, they are not sent there....u can imagine the frustration and disappointment of Hendrawan and his girls. Forget about the Uber Cup for the time being....focus on improving the ranking of the players...and the only way to do this is to send them to higher ranked tournaments!

when are the WC 2005?

Will someone be recording it? I'd be willing to pay for the DVD's like I did for WC2003. :P

A thousand ideas, a thousand thoughts contend. This is life, it's diversity a blessing to most but a curse to some. To be fair to the Indon officials, our opinions may be based on much less information than the officials have. This is how it works best-leave it to the responsible officials to decide, because they are so chosen to do precisely that. They are the chosen ones, with the authority and responsibilty for success or failure. If they fail, they get kicked out, and new ones are chosen. To let the public be the sole selector is irresponsible. Some of the Indon officials were great badminton players of their time, are very dedicated officials, serving their country and Indon badminton selflessly. I am sure Rudy Hartono is part of the team that made the decision.

A thousand ideas, a thousand thoughts contend. This is life, it's diversity a blessing to most but a curse to some. To be fair to the Indon officials, our opinions may be based on much less information than the officials have. This is how it works best-leave it to the responsible officials to decide, because they are so chosen to do precisely that. They are the chosen ones, with the authority and responsibilty for success or failure. If they fail, they get kicked out, and new ones are chosen. To let the public be the sole selector is irresponsible. Some of the Indon officials were great badminton players of their time, are very dedicated officials, serving their country and Indon badminton selflessly. I am sure Rudy Hartono is part of the team that made the decision.
i don't agree. i think it is so obvious that the official are really the one to blame. i really think that sending young players to as many competition as possible should be the main agenda for all the time beside training improvement in cipayung. it benefits to their experience, their morale, their nationality and some more benefit.
it became so unacceptable because pbsi has run so many insignificant agenda like the recent record breaking in sudirman street and legends duel(its not that great, they let sutiyoso played together with rudy hartono "horrid:eek: "). I think setting the priority correctly should be put above leadership, facility improvement, and good sponsorship.
and imo Rudys judgement and decision could easily be bent toward certain direction by the charismatic sutiyoso.

"The big name" behind this decision, Rudy Hartono who ever coach 6 junior players to be top players (Alan Budi Kusuma, Ardy Wiranata, Hermawan Susanto, Joko Suprianto, Bambang Suprianto & Fung Permadi) plus one Haryanto Arbi.
I thaught the main reason is player's performance in Singapore Open & Malaysia Open not "Semi Final Target".

Markis/Hendra off course were most dissappointed with this decision but the have been sent in much Open Tournament in this year (maybe most than others Indonesian players) and they didn't play well in Singapore & Malaysia.
The experiences could be found in many tournament not only World Championships.

Ladies Doubles, Novita/Nurlita & Poluakan/Mundiatsi aren't paired again. Novita/Nurlita didn't play well in Malaysia, lost to Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung easily in 1st round. In Singapore Novita/Polii beat this KOR Double and through Semi Final. If Novita/Polii qualify to WC, I'm sure they will be sent.

Ladies Singles, Fransisca & Firdasari aren't sent in SIN & MAS but they played in Thailand & Japan. They never win a tournament although small tournament (Satellite tournament), they lost to another Indonesian player (the last tournament is Jakarta Open Satellite).

I agree that maybe Indonesian officials have some information that we don't that force them to make such a decision. But what I don't like is that they are saying this.

"Indonesians will be disappointed if the players sent lost to Hong-Kong or Thai players", etc etc, which I think is simply rubbish!


It seems that they are viewing the Hong Kong and Thai players in contempt and see them as their inferior, which is simply untrue!! Those countries have some really good players (like Ng Wei from HK or Saralee/Thungthongkam from Thai), and why would it be any more embarrassing losing to them than losing to the other countries.. :confused: :confused: :confused:

There are two Indonesian cast-asides in the Hong Kong team. For a great badminton nation like Indonesia, losing to Hong Kong with Indonesian rejects could be humiliating, and could leave a life-long scar that might conceivably affect the morale and psyche of Indonesian badminton for a long time to come.
In the 1940s and 1950s Malaysia was supreme in badminton, thrashing other countries like Denmark with one-sided scores. When Indonesia challenged Malaysia for the first time in 1957-8, Malaysia under-rated the Indonesians and were shocked when they were beaten. This sent Malaysian badminton into the wilderness which it is still trying to recover.

Hmm...I read it in 'Bola' yesterday. Seem terrible. I mean, if PBSI think that they waste their money, just inform well to all players who are in listing that they have target, and only players who are be estimated to reach semifinal that they will sent from the beginning. So, players such as Markis/Hendra, Ardianti, Fransisca may prepare for another tournaments. They announced in last minutes when players ready to go, it made dissapointed. Especially for Kido/Hendra. We know that their performance recently not as good as their seniors. But, for their experience and probably in WC they can be 'dark horse', topple down seededs, to easier another Indonesian pair to be a winner, why then they are not be sent? PBSI 'lagu lama diputar kembaliii.....'

Hmm...I read it in 'Bola' yesterday. Seem terrible. I mean, if PBSI think that they waste their money, just inform well to all players who are in listing that they have target, and only players who are be estimated to reach semifinal that they will sent from the beginning. So, players such as Markis/Hendra, Ardianti, Fransisca may prepare for another tournaments. They announced in last minutes when players ready to go, it made dissapointed. Especially for Kido/Hendra. We know that their performance recently not as good as their seniors. But, for their experience and probably in WC they can be 'dark horse', topple down seededs, to easier another Indonesian pair to be a winner, why then they are not be sent? PBSI 'lagu lama diputar kembaliii.....'

Here is Markis/Hendra's record this year:
Out of 7 tournaments, they managed to reach one semi-final (German Open, lost to the no 1 ranked Eriksen/Hansen) and two quarter-finals (Swiss Open and Japan Open, to Flandy/Eng Hian and Cai/Fu respectively). They lost in the first round of Korea Open (to Robertson/Blair) and All England (Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach). Two other two recent tournaments resulted in second round defeats to Paaske/Rasmussen and Sang/Xie.

I think their record is not that bad. They have also shown that they can defeat Flandy/Eng Hian and Chan/Koo. Demanding at least a semi-final place in WC is ridiculous from them, but, a quarter-final showing should be within reach if they are sent there. I don't think Flandy/Eng Hian could reach semi-final also, so, its really not logical that they are sent there even though they have a lower rank. If PBSI were to be fair, then only send Candra/Sigit and Luluk/Alven to the WC.

Concur with this post...About Markis/Kidho being a "dark horse" and topple down other seeds, it could be a double-edge sword. If they DON'T meet the other 3 Indonesian pairs before QF, it should be good. However, if they DO meet the other 3 Indo pairs before QF, it wouldn't be a good idea...

It's OK though, as U.S. will put out their "Ace card" in Tony Gunawan(along with Howard B.), just say they are the "4th Indo pair" and hope they don't meet any of the 3 Indo pairs before the QF and can topple some seeded pair(s)...My feeling is the U.S. pair will at least reach the QF stage..

Hmm...I read it in 'Bola' yesterday. Seem terrible. I mean, if PBSI think that they waste their money, just inform well to all players who are in listing that they have target, and only players who are be estimated to reach semifinal that they will sent from the beginning. So, players such as Markis/Hendra, Ardianti, Fransisca may prepare for another tournaments. They announced in last minutes when players ready to go, it made dissapointed. Especially for Kido/Hendra. We know that their performance recently not as good as their seniors. But, for their experience and probably in WC they can be 'dark horse', topple down seededs, to easier another Indonesian pair to be a winner, why then they are not be sent? PBSI 'lagu lama diputar kembaliii.....'

PBSI is not sending the mens pair of Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan to Anaheim. This really frustrated their coach Christian Hadinata. However the young pair will be going to US to compete for the WC but this time with their own funds.
It is a waste not sending this young pair to the WC since it will definitely provide them with good experience and part of grooming them for the future senior Indo doubles player.

PBSI is not sending the mens pair of Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan to Anaheim. This really frustrated their coach Christian Hadinata. However the young pair will be going to US to compete for the WC but this time with their own funds.
It is a waste not sending this young pair to the WC since it will definitely provide them with good experience and part of grooming them for the future senior Indo doubles player.

The latest news is that PBSI is rejecting their request to fund their own expenses to compete in the WC. This is really becoming ridiculous and no doubt, it will affect the morale of the players and coaches. PBSI has set the tone of becoming TARGET-ORIENTED for future tournaments and this has been highlighted by Rudi Hartono in today's Kompas. One reason of not sending those players is that they have been in the Pelatnas (national team) for 3 years or more and yet, the only best showing is a final placing in the Denmark Open 2005. That is why they were not sent to Aneheim. I am terribly disappointed with PBSI and especially with Rudi Hartono supporting this kind of short-sighted decisions!

The latest news is that PBSI is rejecting their request to fund their own expenses to compete in the WC. This is really becoming ridiculous and no doubt, it will affect the morale of the players and coaches. PBSI has set the tone of becoming TARGET-ORIENTED for future tournaments and this has been highlighted by Rudi Hartono in today's Kompas. One reason of not sending those players is that they have been in the Pelatnas (national team) for 3 years or more and yet, the only best showing is a final placing in the Denmark Open 2005. That is why they were not sent to Aneheim. I am terribly disappointed with PBSI and especially with Rudi Hartono supporting this kind of short-sighted decisions!

Great players not necessary imples that they are great coaches. Here is another example - Rudi Hartono.

Yeah.. its true that this young pair will not be going to WC. They are surely dissapointed the the decision. Well it means one thing.. even if you have money to go. When you are part of the Association.. you are still being controlled.

On this idea by Rudi Hartono, i was able to meet and speak with Halim Haryanto(coach at OCBC, USA) today and get his opinon.
He said he understood the decision being made by PBSI/Rudy Hartono-which is basically they've been using the excuse of "lacking funds" ever since he played and maybe before. According to Halim, basically PBSI is going back to the previous system when he was still playing in the mid 90s to early 2000s, where PBSI, even with limited funds, will send ONLY QUALIFIED players that they *believe* have the "best" chance to finish better. So when PBSI send certain players, if they perform good, then they will keep sending those same players even if the funds are limited.
However, Halim also questioned whether PBSI is doing the wise thing or not, by not sending out the younger players to gain experience, as to have an effect on a re-generation period.

The latest news is that PBSI is rejecting their request to fund their own expenses to compete in the WC. This is really becoming ridiculous and no doubt, it will affect the morale of the players and coaches. PBSI has set the tone of becoming TARGET-ORIENTED for future tournaments and this has been highlighted by Rudi Hartono in today's Kompas. One reason of not sending those players is that they have been in the Pelatnas (national team) for 3 years or more and yet, the only best showing is a final placing in the Denmark Open 2005. That is why they were not sent to Aneheim. I am terribly disappointed with PBSI and especially with Rudi Hartono supporting this kind of short-sighted decisions!

Here is Markis/Hendra's record this year:
Out of 7 tournaments, they managed to reach one semi-final (German Open, lost to the no 1 ranked Eriksen/Hansen) and two quarter-finals (Swiss Open and Japan Open, to Flandy/Eng Hian and Cai/Fu respectively). They lost in the first round of Korea Open (to Robertson/Blair) and All England (Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach). Two other two recent tournaments resulted in second round defeats to Paaske/Rasmussen and Sang/Xie.

I think their record is not that bad. They have also shown that they can defeat Flandy/Eng Hian and Chan/Koo. Demanding at least a semi-final place in WC is ridiculous from them, but, a quarter-final showing should be within reach if they are sent there. I don't think Flandy/Eng Hian could reach semi-final also, so, its really not logical that they are sent there even though they have a lower rank. If PBSI were to be fair, then only send Candra/Sigit and Luluk/Alven to the WC.

I think the result of 7 tournaments for Markis/Hendra it's just "not that bad", I would like to say it's outstanding for new young entries MD, they only beat by no.1 ranked, and other senior pairs and none of them is young entries like's MArkis/Hendra, and when all senior pair retired then the glory will be for Markis/Hendra, so they should be send to WC instead of Flandy/Eng which probably this is the last WC for them. If they send Markis/Hendra it would be good for their experience, like Cai/Fu who got to SF in WC2003 even though their is new young entries, what they have gain right now, they is the most powerfull pair and have bigger change to won WC2005 meaning 2 years from new bie become probably no2 seeded WC2005.

Arrggghhh, i'm going crazy with PBSI actions! PBSI forbid the players who are qualified to go for WC2005 but didnt get selected by PBSI to go to WC even if the players going there with their own money...
So Markis / Hendra wont be compete at WC although they want to pay with their own money, the reason : PBSI wants to be results oriented, so only those players who have the chance to go to semifinal will be sent, what a nonsense! Pardon my language fellow BFers....
For those who can understand Indonesian language , please click the below link to read more about the news, it is taken from kompas (indonesian newspaper)
http://www.kompas.com/olahraga/news/0507/27/211136.htm

I understand not sponsoring perceived less hopeful players to international tournaments, but if the players can afford to pay their own way at no cost to the association, why shouldn't they go?

I think there's something more going on behind the scene that we're not privy to. One wild conspiracy theory: Didn't someone mention that one of those guys pissed off some PBSI big-wig at a breakfast some time back? Could this be payback time?

I understand not sponsoring perceived less hopeful players to international tournaments, but if the players can afford to pay their own way at no cost to the association, why shouldn't they go?

There is the quote by Rudi Hartono which has attracted some attention from the local press. Quoted from Kompas: "Dia menegaskan, mulai saat ini ia tak ingin lagi melihat pemain pelatnas Cipayung hadir sebagai ”pelengkap penderita”".

Translated into English, it simply means that Rudi does not want to see any Indonesian players to compete in tournaments and came home being defeated by players from less-known countries, which eventually brings humiliation to the nation (Indonesia). So, the players that are sent to compete will be set a target (minimum semi-final) and failure to meet the target will bring about punishments, in terms of not being sent to the future tournaments, extra practice sessions, and so on. So, taking the example of Taufik, if the target for him is to reach semi-finals in EVERY tournaments, whenever he reaches the quarter-final and lost (eg: the upcoming WC) he will get a penalty in terms of not being sent to the next tournament, which is the China Masters (even though he gets the invitation).

I think this kind of system sucks and will deter the development of young players!

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Translated into English, it simply means that Rudi does not want to see any Indonesian players to compete in tournaments and came home being defeated by players from less-known countries, which eventually brings humiliation to the nation (Indonesia). So, the players that are sent to compete will be set a target (minimum semi-final) and failure to meet the target will bring about punishments, in terms of not being sent to the future tournaments, extra practice sessions, and so on.
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Ah, the negative reinforcement management style, I see. :rolleyes: I think the concept of "loss of face" is fairly universal. But, honestly, do people really think less of Indonesia as a country or even just its badminton program if some of its players don't make it to the semifinal of tournaments or lost to players from countries with lesser known programs? I think this is more of an imagined problem than a real one. Just MHO.

My confusion remains. I understand if PBSI don't want to sponsor some players whatever their reasons are. It is their money after all. But, if the said players can find another way of funding their trip, especially to tournaments they're qualified for, where's the problem?

I still think there's more going on behind the scene and other politics at play regarding these two guys that we're not privy to and PBSI's not revealing.

PBSI justifies decision to send only 10 players to worlds

The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Badminton Association of Indonesia (PBSI) secretary-general MF Siregar defended on Wednesday the decision to keep at home half of the players who qualified for the upcoming World Badminton Championships.



Siregar said it was not worthwhile sending the low-ranked women's singles and doubles players to the worlds simply for international experience, which he believed could be gained from competing in other overseas events.

"There can be no bargaining about performance when it comes to the Olympics and the world championship," Siregar told The Jakarta Post on Wednesday before a meeting to discuss standardization of national coaching.

"We are only sending those players with a strong certainty of making the semifinals."

Ten of the 20 players who qualified under the International Badminton Federation's rankings system are being sent to Anaheim, California, for the Aug. 15-Aug 21 worlds. The players, plus eight coaches and officials, will leave on Thursday morning.

PBSI chairman Sutiyoso also justified the selection of the team during a ceremony at City Hall on Tuesday.

"We have to be target oriented, so if a player is already certain on paper of being thrashed in the first round, why send them? ..." he was quoted as saying by Antara news service.

Siregar did not expect any major problems in adjustment for the players, saying the warm fall weather would be to their liking. There is also a large Indonesian expatriate community in southern California, including 2001 world men's doubles champions Tony Gunawan and Halim Haryanto.

Siregar, whose children live near the venue for the worlds, praised the arena as an excellent facility but he would not speculate on whether the country could win its first titles since 2001 in Seville, where Tony/Halim and men's singles player Hendrawan took top honors.

"We cannot make any predictions yet about who may be champion, there are too many variables involved. We will have to see when we get there how the players are performing on court."

The players have been undergoing stepped-up training in recent weeks, focused on building up their stamina and physical fitness, honing their shot accuracy and providing mental preparation, the latter overseen by a team from the Indonesian Army.

Athens Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat may be able to break the world title drought if he can keep his emotions under control and repeat the form that led him to defeating Denmark's Peter Gade, China's world number one Lin Dan and Hong Chen for the Singapore Open in July.

Talented Taufik is known for his mercurial temperament, and Siregar said his desire to win was the key factor.

"If he really wants it, there is no question he can do it. That was why he won in Athens. It's just a question of whether he wants it that much."

Now 23, Taufik believes his time may be running out to win the world crown.

"Hopefully, I can succeed, because this may be my last opportunity. There is no guarantee for the future that I could do it," he said on Tuesday.

Seeded sixth for this worlds, Taufik lost in the last 16 at the 1999 worlds, semis in 2001 and quarterfinal in 2003. He is likely to face second seeded Dane Kevin Jonassen in the quarterfinals.

At Tuesday's gathering, Sutiyoso also said there would be "reward and punishment" system for players and coaches who failed to reach targets. The coaches should know who their players will meet, and have a program so they can discuss strategy before the encounter. Coaches must also closely monitor the condition of their athletes." ---------------------------- Team: Taufik Hidayat and Sony Dwi Kuncoro (men's singles); Candra Wijaya/Sigit Budiarto, Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto, Flandy Limpele/Eng Hian (men's doubles); Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir (mixed doubles).

If every country thinks like Indonesia Badminton Federation, then the WC will be a disaster. There may only be about 20 players in the MS and less in other events.

Another thing I can't understand is why they accepted the offers in the first place. Pulling out after all the entries are finalised may take away a place that someone else may want even if he thinks he will lose in the first round.

If it is not a matter of lacking in funds, everyone who qualified should be sent. It is the world championships and it won't do if players get pulled out just because no one thinks they can make the semifinals.

Another thing I can't understand is why they accepted the offers in the first place. Pulling out after all the entries are finalised may take away a place that someone else may want even if he thinks he will lose in the first round.

If it is not a matter of lacking in funds, everyone who qualified should be sent. It is the world championships and it won't do if players get pulled out just because no one thinks they can make the semifinals.

Exactly that's the worst part of it all.But i think funding is also the problem here.

(sigh)Well, just a few more things to share with you guys, which i don't think i should "open up"..

But tonight, after meeting and helping the Indonesian team check-in at the hotel, i realized it's basically all about money.

Here's what happened. Nearing the end of our check-in process, Lius Pongoh, who is a nice and friendly person, who is also acting as the Team Manager asked me to ask/translate to the travel agent, if it is possible if they can get a refund/get the money back if they cancel a room halfway through the week. What he meant was, say if one of the player or players are eliminated early in the first 2-3 days, they would then actually send that player(s) back to Indonesia, just like that. No waiting around, wasting time, no compromise or anything. And the rooms already being booked, will be cancelled and they will get the money back.

?!?!?! WOW, WOW, WOW:eek: ...Now, i understand that they are thinking economics here. But after i heard that, my mind and facial expression just went befuddled. "WOW, unbelievable", that's what i said in my heart. "How can they do or think such a thing?", IMO, it is very incompassionate. Imagine the long flight from Indonesia(which they took the non-stop SQ flight) and then a few days later, bam, just like that he/she is sent back.........wow, don't they know how long the flight took??.... :confused: :(

I'm just afraid, if their mindset is like this, I don't think it will be beneficial to all the younger players still training in PBSI. In a way, they are only thinking about "now" and "present". Not thinking about the "future" and "regeneration" and what will happen in the future, which is what PBSI needs. I could be wrong on this, but down the line, they could regret doing what they are doing now...

[QUOTE=hcyong]If every country thinks like Indonesia Badminton Federation, then the WC will be a disaster. There may only be about 20 players in the MS and less in other events.

i agree with it, even I as indonesian people feel shame with it.

and like sutiyoso said that if indonesia'team doesnt get their target,that player would be losing their chance to follow world tournament!cant u believe it?

huh.... :confused: i feltsorry when i red that article about the economics things... common... they are human being... they are not robot... they are not slave... they are our hero...
(it's all bout the money .. it's all bout the dam..dam... dam, dam ,dam dam,....
i dont hink it's funny... ) lyrics of a song...
oh my ...
should we open donation for those people ? ? ?
PBSI need more money to go vacation... do they need to cut the expenses of a tournament ? common...
well... i can say no more... heard a thing like this.. i'm thinking about take another nationality ...

shame indonesia

For one thing i guess they have to spend a lot since the WC is in a far of place and also since it is in the US.Though i am not in favour of the decision either,the only thing that can be done now is to put the money saved to good use in domestic tournaments etc.

[QUOTE=DaN_fAn]For one thing i guess they have to spend a lot since the WC is in a far of place and also since it is in the US.


i agree with that.
but i ever read that player that not sent for WC want to go anaheim by their own money,but PBSI refused it.
what do u think about it?

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i agree with that.
but i ever read that player that not sent for WC want to go anaheim by their own money,but PBSI refused it.
what do u think about it?
If they do allow them then everyone will think all that funding IS the problem.

If they do allow them then everyone will think all that funding IS the problem.

i think so.. it's might be also about prestige...since i red here that PBSI doesn't want to send player if they might be "just a looser".

well everything has their own advantage and disadvantage. so... i think PBSI thought already about this things which might be their risk if they used this method...

If they do allow them then everyone will think all that funding IS the problem.
now i understand it, u r right!
what a complicated world, huh?
well, when i see that candra-sigit will sent to WC, i was really astonish, uknow?indonesia team always sent the old player for the winning,why dont they sent one who talented and young?like susi susanti, i think she had play for indonesia over ten years.....
but im quite happy can see they (i mean candra-sigit) fight again...

well, when i see that candra-sigit will sent to WC, i was really astonish, uknow?indonesia team always sent the old player for the winning,why dont they sent one who talented and young?like susi susanti, i think she had play for indonesia over ten years.....

uhh, becos they are the most succesful currently? besides i dont think them not being young is a disadvantage, like experience etc

Funds is basically a problem for the Indo Teams. They are very strict with their players. Sometimes i think they manage their funds too well. Sometimes you have to understand that they sent a rather big group there. And it is not cheap also to stay in the states. Those who lost, will go back to Indo for trainning again. No point waste time and money in Anaheim.

The Sutiyoso might look friendly. But he is as stubborn and strict as hell. He gave a warning and set goals for all the players. For those who are unable to deliver, PBSI might not send them to the next world meet. He once said
" i don't care how.. they must deliver no matter what".

On this idea by Rudi Hartono, i was able to meet and speak with Halim Haryanto(coach at OCBC, USA) today and get his opinon.
He said he understood the decision being made by PBSI/Rudy Hartono-which is basically they've been using the excuse of "lacking funds" ever since he played and maybe before. According to Halim, basically PBSI is going back to the previous system when he was still playing in the mid 90s to early 2000s, where PBSI, even with limited funds, will send ONLY QUALIFIED players that they *believe* have the "best" chance to finish better. So when PBSI send certain players, if they perform good, then they will keep sending those same players even if the funds are limited.
However, Halim also questioned whether PBSI is doing the wise thing or not, by not sending out the younger players to gain experience, as to have an effect on a re-generation period.

yeah. i agree with Halim on this. perhaps if PBSI is like China where they have lots of very promising youngsters lined up to the streets to take over the place of the veterans, then they can afford to do that. right now, PBSI has no promising female players (except Lilyana) and most MD players are about to retire in a couple of years. if any time, it shoudl be now when they start sending young players out to the international matches to gain experience.

otherwise, when the veterans like Candra/Sigit calls it quit, or when Taufik throws another and leave for Singapore , they will have no one else to support the team.

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otherwise, when the veterans like Candra/Sigit calls it quit, or when Taufik throws another and leave for Singapore , they will have no one else to support the team.

thats the point that have to be predictable by indonesia team. Im extremly agree with that!!

but we know that it is a very hard things to do. thats why indonesia difficult to reach winning.

hoping the revolution for the way of thinking by indonesia team.

1st lost for the Indonesian hiks... Sony lost to peter gede

1st lost for the Indonesian hiks... Sony lost to peter gede

according to the new "rules" by PBSI, he will be going back home as "promised" by the team manager before the WC started. any player losing before semi-final is going straight home to JKT and i guess the reward and punishment system means that sony will also be "penalized" in terms of not being sent to a couple of international tournaments. lets see if PBSI really does this. not sending sony to the future international tournaments will just see his ranking plummet down below 30-40.

I was able to "run into" with Mr. Lius Pongoh last night after the match and a friend of mine mentioned this particular issue to him. I overheard them chatted. My friend asked him that "it's too bad if Sony will be sent back with only 1-2 days left. How can they show any lack of empathy". His answer was "no, it's not a matter of lacking empathy, but that's just the way it has to be"...
So, I guess they probably will cancel the remaining 1 or 2 nights of stay for Sony's room..We shall see how they go from here. I don't know what is their exact schedule for Sony(and maybe coach Joko) being sent back...
Usually the transportation dept. will request that players/personnel going back to report to them 48 hrs. in advance. So I will go back to the hotel sometimes tomorrow morning(Sat.) to check up on the team and see if indeed Sony is being sent back..

according to the new "rules" by PBSI, he will be going back home as "promised" by the team manager before the WC started. any player losing before semi-final is going straight home to JKT and i guess the reward and punishment system means that sony will also be "penalized" in terms of not being sent to a couple of international tournaments. lets see if PBSI really does this. not sending sony to the future international tournaments will just see his ranking plummet down below 30-40.

I was able to meet with Mr. Lius Pongoh last night after the match and a friend of mine mentioned this particular issue to him. He told him that "it's too bad if Sony will be sent back with only 1-2 days left. How can they show any lack of empathy". His answer was "no, it's not a matter of lacking empathy, but that's just the way it has to be"...
So, I guess they probably will cancel the remaining 1 or 2 nights of stay for Sony's room..We shall see how they go from here. I don't know what is their exact schedule of Sony(and maybe coach Joko) being sent back...
Usually the transportation dept. will request that players/personnel going back to report to them 48 hrs. in advance. So I will be back at the hotel sometimes tomorrow morning(Sat.) to check up on the team and see if indeed Sony is being sent back..


Good idea... hope you can do that... :)

Funds is basically a problem for the Indo Teams. They are very strict with their players. Sometimes i think they manage their funds too well. Sometimes you have to understand that they sent a rather big group there. And it is not cheap also to stay in the states. Those who lost, will go back to Indo for trainning again. No point waste time and money in Anaheim.

The Sutiyoso might look friendly. But he is as stubborn and strict as hell. He gave a warning and set goals for all the players. For those who are unable to deliver, PBSI might not send them to the next world meet. He once said
" i don't care how.. they must deliver no matter what".

pbsi chairman must be a succesful bussinesman like previous mr chairul tanjung, he was always willing to use his own money to sent lot of players abroad without giving a warning or a goal, because he believed that any player who sent abroad would give their best.

Ok, here's the latest info..Today i was able to speak with Sony himself and one the coach, and apparently they are not sending back Sony and coach Joko as well as Flandy&Enghian and their coach earlier,as they promised. Their reason:too much hassle to do the ticketing confirmation, transportation and the likes. So they all are going back to Indo together this coming Monday evening.
Apparently, the stern warning was nothing more than to motivate them.
However, we shall see what happened to the 3 players(and coaches) who weren't able to move on to the SF...


I was able to meet with Mr. Lius Pongoh last night after the match and a friend of mine mentioned this particular issue to him. He told him that "it's too bad if Sony will be sent back with only 1-2 days left. How can they show any lack of empathy". His answer was "no, it's not a matter of lacking empathy, but that's just the way it has to be"...
So, I guess they probably will cancel the remaining 1 or 2 nights of stay for Sony's room..We shall see how they go from here. I don't know what is their exact schedule of Sony(and maybe coach Joko) being sent back...
Usually the transportation dept. will request that players/personnel going back to report to them 48 hrs. in advance. So I will be back at the hotel sometimes tomorrow morning(Sat.) to check up on the team and see if indeed Sony is being sent back..

Good idea... hope you can do that... :)

Crist, you are so wonderfull and generous guy. It's nice to have screen conversation with you. Hope we have opportunity to meet sometime.

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Ok, here's the latest info..Today i was able to speak with Sony himself and one the coach, and apparently they are not sending back Sony and coach Joko as well as Flandy&Enghian and their coach earlier,as they promised. Their reason:too much hassle to do the ticketing confirmation, transportation and the likes. So they all are going back to Indo together this coming Monday evening.
Apparently, the stern warning was nothing more than to motivate them.
However, we shall see what happened to the 3 players(and coaches) who weren't able to move on to the SF...

hmm, how did you know my name??...sorry, have i PMed you before??.. :rolleyes:

Crist, you are so wonderfull and generous guy. It's nice to have screen conversation with you. Hope we have opportunity to meet sometime.

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hmm, how did you know my name??...sorry, have i PMed you before??.. :rolleyes:

I know your name in another thread when you conversate with someone its name is Dan ..... Cheers:)