hey ppl, im not sure if u heard this story before or if its the exact same thing, but here goes.

i have a friend that is about my age, and we both started playing badminton together around the exact same time. we werent very good but then we were having fun and all, then we talked about both of us going onto the school team. then it all happens. during the school try outs he ditches me as a partner and teams up with the best person on the team, then he just stands in the corner and hits the bird when it comes while his partner does everything. so in the end he makes it 2 the team and i dont. i wasnt bothered by this but then his attitude starts changing. he buys a new racquet AT500, then he starts getting cocky. when i play with him and we have friendly games he starts having excueses like "im not trying yet, im tired, i havent played for a while" then he starts putting me down saying that hes so much better than me. worst of all, he ditches me and most of our other friends and plays with the advance level ppl. he is still around my playing level but he gets way over himself, his smashes work 50% of the time and most of the other times they hit the net, he misses, or they fly out. then he never drops only tries 2 smash everything and in doubles he runs around the whole court out of position just 2 smash it and he says that his partner is not doing anything

so now that i have had enough of this, i have decided 2 beat him and prove 2 him that he is not that much better than me. anyone one agree with me that this is a good idea???

so now that i have had enough of this, i have decided 2 beat him and prove 2 him that he is not that much better than me. anyone one agree with me that this is a good idea???

You're not really asking for an opinion. You're asking for validation of a conclusion you've already reached.

You don't need to prove anything. Improving your badminton is a great idea, but do it for youself.

It's obvious that he lacks confidence, and is being cocky because it makes him feel better about himself. Don't get too angry about it; just feel sorry for him.

your friend has figured out that to improve he needs to get outside of his comfort zone. that likely includes not playing with you on a regular basis.

over time he will improve and unless you get with it, even though you think are still equal now, the gap will widen. at this time, it doesn't sound like you have a particular plan in place for your own skill improvement. until you do so, your plan to beat him will likely not succeed.

at this time, beating him in a game is a non-winning proposition. if you beat him, he will has his excuses in line, and you will just get more frustrated. he'll also take that as his reason to get further improvement. on the other hand, if he beats you - you will never hear the end of it.

let it go.

"you gotta know when.. to hold them and when.. to fold them" :D


kenny rogers

Get better in the badminton for the love of badminton, Get high in demolishing your "friend" afterwards.

work hard and play hard and have fun in the meantime. u'll get better for sure. why hold such a grudge and get all unhappy. get other people to play against if possible?

get a new friend...he's not the only one that you can play with

During the tryouts, if you feel both of you had "very simular abilities and you were the better of the two", take this outcome in the perspective of the coach had failed to choose the better of the two players. :)

Use this as a source of inspiration to improve your skill level and to show the coach that you may have been the better choice or had the better potential for improvement.

If I were a coach and had a player who was not originally picked for the team come back asking me what he needed to do to improve and could there be an opportunity for a mid-season tryout, I would definitely would keep an eye out on the player if he/she shows true determination.

As badrad said, your friend will more than likely improve (but we won't know how far) since he is constantly being challenged at a higher level than himself. May be that's why your friend feels he need to play against far better players to improve.

Cheers!

"you gotta know when.. to hold them and when.. to fold them" :D


kenny rogers

LOL! Excellent inference Cooler. :p

get a new friend...he's not the only one that you can play with

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winnAR! :D

The Player

On a warm summer’s evenin’ on a bus after training,
I met up with the Legend; we were both too soaked to sleep.
So we took turns a starin’ out the window at the darkness
’til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.

He said, son, I’ve made a life out of readin’ people’s moves,
And knowin’ what their strokes were by the look of their eyes.
So if you don’t mind my sayin’, I can see you’re not in a happy mood.
For a tube of feather birdies I’ll give you some advice.

So I handed him my best Shuttles and he then check its speed.
Then he reached for my Cola and asked me if he could.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, if you’re gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.

You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em,
Know when to walk away and know when to mate.
You never count who’s your fren when you’re on the court playing
There’ll be time enough for countin’ when the is match done.

Now ev’ry player knows that the secret to Doubles’
Is knowin’ who to throw away and knowing who to keep.
’cause ev’ry partner’s a winner and ev’ry partner’s a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to play ‘til you can’t.

So when he’d finished speakin’, he turned back towards the window,
Crushed the Cola can and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the player, he settled the score.
But in his final words I found contentment that I could keep.

You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em,
Know when to walk away and know when to mate.
You never count who’s your fren when you’re on the court playing
There’ll be time enough for countin’ when the match is done.
.
You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em,
Know when to walk away and know when to mate.
You never count who’s your fren when you’re on the court playing
There’ll be time enough for countin’ when the match is done.

Cooler, did you write that poem? I must say it's rather good :)

Cooler: nice interpretation. :p

Cooler, did you write that poem? I must say it's rather good :)

Cooler and his interpretation of "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers. :D

http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/lyrics_viewsingle.php4?LyricsId=48

Steal his girlfriend... that'll show 'em. :D

We work hard to train, to get better is for OURSELVES, because we want to improve. Being better or worse, is NOT to show off to others, and there's no need to let others judge u by THEIR standard.

Just ask urself, did u try hard enough within ur own ability lvl or not. If yes, even if u lose to others, u should still be proud of urself, as u only lost to a much better player. If not, even if u beat whoever else, u still should improve.

Seems ur friend is doing the exactly opposite way. He cares of whatever others saying way too much, and trying to use the wrong ways to prove to himself. In a long wrong, he will learn his lesson. No need to feel bad, and no need to "beat him, and let others say u r actually better than him". :)

Steal his girlfriend... that'll show 'em. :D

:eek: :eek: :eek:

;) ;) ;)

:p :p :p

:D :D :D

BC is so fun, so many comedians. :p

Steal his girlfriend... that'll show 'em. :D

I will be very much worried, if I happen to piss u off. :D

I will be very much worried, if I happen to piss u off. :D

What if he is not straight??? Let's not go down that way...

What if he is not straight??? Let's not go down that way...

LOL! BWAAHAAHAHAHAAAAA! :p

Steal his girlfriend... that'll show 'em. :D

lol thats a great response. but anyways if hes like that yeah why would you be freinds with him anyways i mean personally i have known some cocky players but there just how to put it kinda playful cocky now like yeah talk big but dont mean any of it...kinda hard to explain. but i mean if you are better than him and you do beat him yet he comes up with excuses that are just stupid, oh i was tired, or oh i wasnt trying. well 1st of all you shoudl always try when you play unless you like an international player playing against a new player...that would probaly kill the new guy. but back to the point just show him what your made of even if you lose it might mean hes better and might not be easy to accpet but he will know that you have game and can improve and become better. where as if you play him and destroy him yet he comes up with an excuse dont think anyless of yourself he just cant accept the fact that sombody is better than him.

i say dont think about it to much there will be people like that in life all you have to do is keep a smile on your face and dont let them get to you. i mean yes i have expirenced this before well they wernt friends but just other players and if you let it get to you it can bring down your game level i think, i say just laugh it off thats what i do sometimes and it works for me but everybody has their own way. also just improve if your better than him already stillkeep on improving if your not then still do it, no matter what he says or does dont let him keep you down.

Sounds like our school stuff too lol There always a moron at each school team i guess.

Just beat him :D

I personally let them be cocky and when they play a real game see them make excusses. I ignore the morons on our school team really.

hey ppl, im not sure if u heard this story before or if its the exact same thing, but here goes.

i have a friend that is about my age, and we both started playing badminton together around the exact same time. we werent very good but then we were having fun and all, then we talked about both of us going onto the school team. then it all happens. during the school try outs he ditches me as a partner and teams up with the best person on the team, then he just stands in the corner and hits the bird when it comes while his partner does everything. so in the end he makes it 2 the team and i dont. i wasnt bothered by this but then his attitude starts changing. he buys a new racquet AT500, then he starts getting cocky. when i play with him and we have friendly games he starts having excueses like "im not trying yet, im tired, i havent played for a while" then he starts putting me down saying that hes so much better than me. worst of all, he ditches me and most of our other friends and plays with the advance level ppl. he is still around my playing level but he gets way over himself, his smashes work 50% of the time and most of the other times they hit the net, he misses, or they fly out. then he never drops only tries 2 smash everything and in doubles he runs around the whole court out of position just 2 smash it and he says that his partner is not doing anything

so now that i have had enough of this, i have decided 2 beat him and prove 2 him that he is not that much better than me. anyone one agree with me that this is a good idea???
LOL sounds so typical man!
Seen many stories like that~
Keep training hard and OWN HIM! YA!:D:D:D

LOL sounds so typical man!
Seen many stories like that~
Keep training hard and OWN HIM! YA!:D:D:D

well....i guess that's the way it is then....majority rules!!!!

sounds just like my friend judy who just bought a AT500, is your friend Judy?

Tell him that "im not trying yet, im tired, i havent played for a while" then start putting him down saying that you are so much better than him. Hehe!

Steal his girlfriend... that'll show 'em. :D


just make sure he is heterosexual first.. otherwise... :eek:

Have to second Lazybuddy's sentiment on this issue. You have no control over your friend's attitude, but you do have control over yours. Play the game and improve yourself because that's what you want, not because you wanna beat his cocky ass. As long as you got the right motivation and the right attitude, you won't be bothered as much by your friend. If you're bothered, what does it say about YOUR mental focus and character? So start doing things for the right reasons.

Everybody has the inalienable right to their own self-expression. Whether it's acceptable to others is really another different matter. Be it cocky or not... it's still none of your concern.

Also, don't judge ability by just a few casual games. Win and loss in badminton fluctuates like the weather or the direction of the wind. You're the better player when you can consistently beat your opponent in serious tourney environment. By then, no amount of excuses from him will prevail.

First of all, if you know u can beat him, u know his style of play, ask the coach if u can challenge him, and ask the coach to watch the match, i'm sure he'd want to stay in the team and try his best. And prove that u r equal or greater in comparison to his abilities.

Just remember, you aren't playing to beat him..................... you are playing to beat urself :cool:

-Ur Computer Will Explode In Ten Seconds, Have A Nice Day :)

I will be very much worried, if I happen to piss u off. :D

K-Musclepower

If your friend is always playing with the advanced level players his game is bound to improve and eventually he will get better. You should graduate to the advanced level players. Idea is to get friendly and mix with the advanced level players to improve your game rather than focus on your friend. That way you will get to compete in any case.

hey ppl, im not sure if u heard this story before or if its the exact same thing, but here goes.

i have a friend that is about my age, and we both started playing badminton together around the exact same time. we werent very good but then we were having fun and all, then we talked about both of us going onto the school team. then it all happens. during the school try outs he ditches me as a partner and teams up with the best person on the team, then he just stands in the corner and hits the bird when it comes while his partner does everything. so in the end he makes it 2 the team and i dont. i wasnt bothered by this but then his attitude starts changing. he buys a new racquet AT500, then he starts getting cocky. when i play with him and we have friendly games he starts having excueses like "im not trying yet, im tired, i havent played for a while" then he starts putting me down saying that hes so much better than me. worst of all, he ditches me and most of our other friends and plays with the advance level ppl. he is still around my playing level but he gets way over himself, his smashes work 50% of the time and most of the other times they hit the net, he misses, or they fly out. then he never drops only tries 2 smash everything and in doubles he runs around the whole court out of position just 2 smash it and he says that his partner is not doing anything

so now that i have had enough of this, i have decided 2 beat him and prove 2 him that he is not that much better than me. anyone one agree with me that this is a good idea???

First of all, how does a new player team up with the best player thats already on the team for a trial? Sounds like there is something wrong with the coach anyways. Why would he pick someone because he did well with the #1 player on the team? Anyways, if thats the case how do you blame your partner for doing that since if both of you play together then probably neither of you wouldnt make the team if the coach is that blind.

The only part I noticed thats very possible is the attitude change which is common with new players and possibly happens to most of us once we get "good" enough :) But not to defend your friend too much, many times a player in order to become better has to play with more advanced players. I say if he is able to get the more advanced player to accept him into the playing groups thats more power to him.


Finally, I would say that team isnt really any good. At least after being on the team training and ditching you for more advanced players, he should be much better than you by now so you didnt lose anything by not being on that team. But given what you said about making mistakes on 50% of the smashes doesnt seem like a well trained player. Anyways, whether you beat him or not doesnt change the situation one bit and I suggest you improve your game as quickly and as much as possible and there is always next year's team trial and there is always tournaments where you can "prove" yourself and "prove" you are better than him.

lol all u should do is.... ditch HIM. go play with OTHER good ppl. this way u'll be getting training he wont. and u wont fall behind him, just cuz hes playing with good ppl and ur not. good luck!

First of all, how does a new player team up with the best player thats already on the team for a trial? Sounds like there is something wrong with the coach anyways.


Very well said. Many so call school coaches have absolute no idea about badminton. They took the duty, either because they need to fill up some "off school" responsibility, or need to get OT, or of course, as the better ones, willing to help. Therefore, there are more or less bugs in the team trial, training and management.

I still remember when i was young, I was ordered to leave the trial, even w/o stepping on the court. All of such because the coach saw I was short and fat, well others seems in better physcial condition. :( :crying: