I can't wait to see the semi final match Taufik vs. Lindan.
I think both players exist at the right time. Watching a match Taufik vs. Lin Dan is just like watching Liem Swie King vs. Han Jian...

I think Taufik is already a living legend, the man to beat in every tournament!!!!
Lin Dan may be the World No. 1 but he has never proved himself to be called the greatest in the tournaments regarded as the most important such as WC and Olympics.

I want to compare Taufik and Lin Dan in all aspects of quality - 10 (highest score)

- Smash = T (10), L (10)
- Backhand = T (10), L (9)
- Forehand = T (10), L (10)
- Net = T (10), L (8)
- Speed = T (9), L (10)
- Drive = T (10), L (10)
- Attack = T (10), L (10)
- Defence = T (8), L (9)
- Rally = T ( 8), L (9)
- STamina = T (9), L (9)
- Champion mentality: T (10), L (9)

ANy other comments?

Well, for mentality, I don't think Taufik is better. If we see the result so far, it shows that Lin Dan has better stability., he always reach final or at least SF. But Taufik, he lost in 3rd round of IO 2005. So, probably Lin Dan is slightly better in mentality.;)

This topic has been discussing some time ago.
I think the result head to head is
Taufik 4 : 2 Lin Dan

From me, I think Taufik is better than Lin Dan.

I think Lin Dan will be better if he doesn't play any trick shots or slow down a little when he is leading. I mean if he gives out 100%, he could be unbeatable. Just my opinion.


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I think Lin Dan will be better if he doesn't play any trick shots or slow down a little when he is leading. I mean if he gives out 100%, he could be unbeatable. Just my opinion.


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on other hand taufik will be much better if he plays tricky shots :)

i think the game is like ali vs joe frizer if they meet each other :D

on other hand taufik will be much better if he plays tricky shots :)

i think the game is like ali vs joe frizer if they meet each other :D

Could be. I didn't see taufik play that many trick shots.

taufik is the most complete badminton player that ever exists i think,
his backhand stroke is deadly and as good as his forward stroke, also he's very good at net.

hmm, it's relative and hard to say, cos i would say "complete"..IMO, he might *arguably* have the most "complete" arsenal of strokes/shots of *the current* crop of MS players or even in the history of IBF/badminton, but if he is truly "complete", he would already won the AE and/or *every single* 4-star and above tourneys by now..

taufik is the most complete badminton player that ever exists i think,
his backhand stroke is deadly and as good as his forward stroke, also he's very good at net.

hmm, it's relative and hard to say, cos i would say "complete"..IMO, he might *arguably* have the most "complete" arsenal of strokes/shots of *the current* crop of MS players or even in the history of IBF/badminton, but if he is truly "complete", he would already won the AE and/or *every single* 4-star and above tourneys by now..

if he's on the mood :)

Could be. I didn't see taufik play that many trick shots.
haha thats becoz u cant see his wrist motion on TV... If u watch closely when they zoom in especially his overhead shot.. its deadly
(a good one to watch is Boonsak VS Taufik in OG2004)

haven't checked on this in a while, but during wc '05 lin dan got raped by taufik, for some reason lin dan's defence was off by a lot. i'm going to taufik this time.

Lin is very fast compared to Taufik and his stamina is phenomenal. However, I'm going for Taufik on this one because Taufik showed that he had superior net shot and he's been able to pin Lin at the net. I really enjoy watching Taufik playing because he is so unpredictable and he is a genius!

It's funny how Taufik can be so precised at the net while holding his racquet so far from the cone. I always tought you get more precision when you hold your racquet near the cone.

Lin is very fast compared to Taufik and his stamina is phenomenal. However, I'm going for Taufik on this one because Taufik showed that he had superior net shot and he's been able to pin Lin at the net. I really enjoy watching Taufik playing because he is so unpredictable and he is a genius!

It's funny how Taufik can be so precised at the net while holding his racquet so far from the cone. I always tought you get more precision when you hold your racquet near the cone.

Self-confidence is vital to playing tight tumbling net shots. Taufit uses this to undermine his opponent's confidence, and if the opponent cannot handle it then he goes to pieces. This was precisely how Taufit taunted Lin Dan in the WC and destroyed his confidence.
But Taufit is no longer hungry. Once you scaled the highest peak-two peaks-there is no more fire.
Holding the racquet towards the cone/shaft is good for returning or hitting quick shots that come near your body, especially at close distances in doubles, but for precision and deft shots the beveled shape of the handle is more stable.

Self-confidence is vital to playing tight tumbling net shots. Taufit uses this to undermine his opponent's confidence, and if the opponent cannot handle it then he goes to pieces. This was precisely how Taufit taunted Lin Dan in the WC and destroyed his confidence.
But Taufit is no longer hungry. Once you scaled the highest peak-two peaks-there is no more fire.
Holding the racquet towards the cone/shaft is good for returning or hitting quick shots that come near your body, especially at close distances in doubles, but for precision and deft shots the beveled shape of the handle is more stable.

he must also have a strong wrist

I can't wait to see the semi final match Taufik vs. Lindan.
I think both players exist at the right time. Watching a match Taufik vs. Lin Dan is just like watching Liem Swie King vs. Han Jian...

I think Taufik is already a living legend, the man to beat in every tournament!!!!
Lin Dan may be the World No. 1 but he has never proved himself to be called the greatest in the tournaments regarded as the most important such as WC and Olympics.

I want to compare Taufik and Lin Dan in all aspects of quality - 10 (highest score)

- Smash = T (10), L (10)
- Backhand = T (10), L (9)
- Forehand = T (10), L (10)
- Net = T (10), L (8)
- Speed = T (9), L (10)
- Drive = T (10), L (10)
- Attack = T (10), L (10)
- Defence = T (8), L (9)
- Rally = T ( 8), L (9)
- STamina = T (9), L (9)
- Champion mentality: T (10), L (9)

ANy other comments?
I think Lin and Taufik reprensent calssical difference between CHN and INA styles of play. CHN trained their player in speed and power from young through their system. INA more rely on natural talent (so more trick shots etc) at beginning and put on training if he/she show such talent in early days. I do not know which way is better. For CHN way, you can have an army of players and if you got one also has natural talent, you hit jack pot. This worked well for woman players. But it was a bit over done in man players now days. And it might destroy natrual talent players while they get put through such system. Just look at Bao CL, I beleive he has natural talent like Taufik (in my mind he is more talented). This was why Taufik loses more to Bao just because their playing styles. But Bao could not achieve their high mark as Lin in CHN system (Bao neraly lose every game to Lin). If let me put bet
LIN vs Taufik: Taufik wins
Bao vs Taufik: Bao wins
Lin vs Bao: Lin wins.

It will be LCW Vs Lin Dan
Let's see..

I can't wait to see the semi final match Taufik vs. Lindan.
I think both players exist at the right time. Watching a match Taufik vs. Lin Dan is just like watching Liem Swie King vs. Han Jian...

I think Taufik is already a living legend, the man to beat in every tournament!!!!
Lin Dan may be the World No. 1 but he has never proved himself to be called the greatest in the tournaments regarded as the most important such as WC and Olympics.

I want to compare Taufik and Lin Dan in all aspects of quality - 10 (highest score)

- Smash = T (10), L (10)
- Backhand = T (10), L (9)
- Forehand = T (10), L (10)
- Net = T (10), L (8)
- Speed = T (9), L (10)
- Drive = T (10), L (10)
- Attack = T (10), L (10)
- Defence = T (8), L (9)
- Rally = T ( 8), L (9)
- STamina = T (9), L (9)
- Champion mentality: T (10), L (9)

ANy other comments?

It will be LCW Vs Lin Dan
Let's see..

mightbe... :)

the ideal semi is taufik vs lin dan , it will be "bloody game", rematch and payback :D

I want to compare Taufik and Lin Dan in all aspects of quality - 10 (highest score)

- Smash = T (10), L (10)
- Backhand = T (10), L (9)
- Forehand = T (10), L (10)
- Net = T (10), L (8)
- Speed = T (9), L (10)
- Drive = T (10), L (10)
- Attack = T (10), L (10)
- Defence = T (8), L (9)
- Rally = T ( 8), L (9)
- STamina = T (9), L (9)
- Champion mentality: T (10), L (9)

ANy other comments?

giving so many attributes the highest or second highest score...does that imply that they cannot improve further? i know we all love our favourite players, but let's use a little better judgement when giving scores like these.

- Smash = T (8), L (7)
- Backhand = T (8), L (7)
- Forehand = T (8), L (8)
- Net = T (9), L (7)
- Speed = T (8), L (9)
- Drive = T (9), L (9)
- Attack = T (9), L (8)
- Defence = T (7), L (8)
- Rally = T (7), L (8)
- STamina = T (9), L (9)
- Champion mentality: T (8), L (8)
have both gone to pieces before (maybe not as bad as ZJH) so both could improve. one could improve by more fire for winning normally, not just the big tournaments (i mean, he is a professional badminton player....what else is he paid(?) to do apart from represent his country and do his best?). the other should quit toying around with his opponents, and work on basic skills (learn from BCL) instead of trying to just run his opponent off the court, as that will probably result in a decreased playing-life for himself. And probably failure in olympics again (with so many rounds).

- Smash = T (8), L (7)
- Backhand = T (8), L (7)
- Forehand = T (8), L (8)
- Net = T (9), L (7)
- Speed = T (8), L (9)
- Drive = T (9), L (9)
- Attack = T (9), L (8)
- Defence = T (7), L (8)
- Rally = T (7), L (8)
- STamina = T (9), L (9)
- Champion mentality: T (8), L (8)


i think taufik's backhand deserves 10 .
his backhand is very deadly

What do you mean by rally?

What do you mean by rally?

are u newbee in badminton ? :),
it's not rally like car rally, players stroke/hit the shuttle each other without smashing in some period time

well..i think.. Taufik will get great achievement if he has big motivation
that's what we had seen in World Champ and olympiade (for gold medals..)
as a tehniques..they almost same..world player qualification..
But when he get tired of motivation..that when we see Taufik lost to Simon (Indonesia Open)..Taufik play with his "Moody"..:rolleyes:
Well tehniques and physics are important but i think motivation is more important than both of that...
And as usual..PBSI not give some 'big' target to them..it's just like an exercise before Sea Games for them (specially for Taufik)..:D

I think Lin and Taufik reprensent calssical difference between CHN and INA styles of play. CHN trained their player in speed and power from young through their system. INA more rely on natural talent (so more trick shots etc) at beginning and put on training if he/she show such talent in early days. I do not know which way is better. For CHN way, you can have an army of players and if you got one also has natural talent, you hit jack pot. This worked well for woman players. But it was a bit over done in man players now days. And it might destroy natrual talent players while they get put through such system. Just look at Bao CL, I beleive he has natural talent like Taufik (in my mind he is more talented). This was why Taufik loses more to Bao just because their playing styles. But Bao could not achieve their high mark as Lin in CHN system (Bao neraly lose every game to Lin). If let me put bet
LIN vs Taufik: Taufik wins
Bao vs Taufik: Bao wins
Lin vs Bao: Lin wins.
why is bao more talented than Taufik?:confused:
I dun see any significance when Bao plays on court...
Somehow his matches are not memorable...
Where as Kenneth Jonassen.. who has similar height to Bao... play so much more dynamic compared to Bao.. and his defence is just superb..
Anyway.. my bet is on LD this time.. because he might have the crowds advantage... somehow I have a feeling Taufik wont be motivated to win.. and might even drop out in early rounds... but looking forward to AE2006 when Taufik will grab his final title and be known as one of the greatest badminton legend alive!!! :p

why is bao more talented than Taufik?:confused:
I dun see any significance when Bao plays on court...
Somehow his matches are not memorable...
Where as Kenneth Jonassen.. who has similar height to Bao... play so much more dynamic compared to Bao.. and his defence is just superb..
Anyway.. my bet is on LD this time.. because he might have the crowds advantage... somehow I have a feeling Taufik wont be motivated to win.. and might even drop out in early rounds... but looking forward to AE2006 when Taufik will grab his final title and be known as one of the greatest badminton legend alive!!! :p

if bao were more talented than taufik, he would had been OC champion or WC champion :)

taufik's just less motivation when he meets bao
bao never wins a big tournaments (5 * or 6 * tournaments)

I can't wait to see the semi final match Taufik vs. Lindan.
I think both players exist at the right time. Watching a match Taufik vs. Lin Dan is just like watching Liem Swie King vs. Han Jian...

I think Taufik is already a living legend, the man to beat in every tournament!!!!
Lin Dan may be the World No. 1 but he has never proved himself to be called the greatest in the tournaments regarded as the most important such as WC and Olympics.

I want to compare Taufik and Lin Dan in all aspects of quality - 10 (highest score)

- Smash = T (10), L (10)
- Backhand = T (10), L (9)
- Forehand = T (10), L (10)
- Net = T (10), L (8)
- Speed = T (9), L (10)
- Drive = T (10), L (10)
- Attack = T (10), L (10)
- Defence = T (8), L (9)
- Rally = T ( 8), L (9)
- STamina = T (9), L (9)
- Champion mentality: T (10), L (9)

ANy other comments?
Why are you so sure it's gonna be taufik vs. lin dan? :confused: Lin dan might loose to peter gade or lee hyun ill. And taufik might loose to lee chong wei or wong chong hann as well!!!

Why are you so sure it's gonna be taufik vs. lin dan? :confused: Lin dan might loose to peter gade or lee hyun ill. And taufik might loose to lee chong wei or wong chong hann as well!!!

becos it's more interesting if the semifinal is lindan versus taufik hidayat

why:

1. lindan represents the best trained player and taufik represents the most talented player.
2.lindan is # 1 player and taufik is former # 1 player (2001), the wc champion
3. i'm sure than lin dan wants to rematch after his badly lost to taufik in wc final

1. lindan represents the best trained player and taufik represents the most talented player.
2.lindan is # 1 player and taufik is former # 1 player (2001), the wc champion
3. i'm sure than lin dan wants to rematch after his badly lost to taufik in wc final

1) Excellent point

2) Yep.

3) Disagree, I bet LD wants to avoid Taufik under all circumstances. LD has everything to lose being the "#1 Player". There's a lot of pressure being # 1. :p

if bao were more talented than taufik, he would had been OC champion or WC champion :)

taufik's just less motivation when he meets bao
bao never wins a big tournaments (5 * or 6 * tournaments)
If you look the score board between Bao and Taufik, you will know why Bao is more talented, but Bao lack other abilities and did not use his talent under Chinese system. Did you remeber while in SD cup, China put Bao in MS while playing INA instead of Lin? And Taufik lost, you can not say Taufik was not motivated for SD cup. Acutally, Bao and Taufik rarely met in 5* and 6* open tournaments recent years except every SD cup which China purposely let Bao face Taufik.

I do not think Bao can do much better now days since his style just not fit in China system. While he grows, the conflict is much obvious.

For HK open, I could not see Lin can do better than world championship. For Taufik, while he is in form and mode, no one can stop him at moment except Bao. But Bao would be knocked out in earlier round I guess by someone else.

if bao were more talented than taufik, he would had been OC champion or WC champion :)


u mean u think ji xinpeng is more talented than peter gade and hendrawan?:rolleyes:

If you look the score board between Bao and Taufik, you will know why Bao is more talented, but Bao lack other abilities and did not use his talent under Chinese system.

There is NO WAY Bao is more talented than Taufik. The better explanation is that certain players cannot handle the style of another. In this case Taufik has always had difficulty against Bao's style.

There is NO WAY Bao is more talented than Taufik. The better explanation is that certain players cannot handle the style of another. In this case Taufik has always had difficulty against Bao's style.

I would have to argue against this. I would have to say many of the shots Bao executes are more precise in terms of finger movements than Taufik. Bao's style of play is completely different from that of other players, but it's so subtle that you wouldn't be able to tell the different unless you were very analytical. It's very rare that you see a player that uses his style on the world circuit because it's so hard to maintain that level of play with it, since it requires a great deal of precision and awesome footwork. I'm pretty sure most players in China are trained with it, but then their style progresses to the more wristy stuff that pretty much everyone uses. I'm not sure Bao's style is his problem though, it really just boils down to his mental consistency. I would have to admit Taufik is better at the net, and has a lot more power and mental toughness than Bao. Then again I could just be biased cause I think Bao Chunlai is awesome. :p

IMO Bao is sure very talented but he is nowhere near Taufik. I mean, Taufik's backhand is a gifth from heaven and his net shots are unbeatable. This is of course my opinion :p

I think Taufik hasn't got used to Bao style yet. A Taufik Vs Bao match would be very exciting as Bao is the only player (beside WCH) that Taufik can't beat consistantly.

Oh and S4MadMan, I'm sure Lin would prefer to avoid Taufik but I think its the same in Taufik's case. One thing is sure tough, if they have to clash, Lin will give his best while Taufik... we don't know...

Oh and S4MadMan, I'm sure Lin would prefer to avoid Taufik but I think its the same in Taufik's case. One thing is sure tough, if they have to clash, Lin will give his best while Taufik... we don't know...

I don't think Taufik is afraid to play LD. He knows LD's weaknesses and knows how to expose them. :p

I'll just wait for a LCW vs X match...

just like what i said..although e'body waiting for Lin Dan vs Taufik match but we must wait probably until next tourney (China Open)..
He's moody person..the next tourney that he want to be as champion is All England!! probabbly we can't see his best motivation like Olympiade and WC until next All England..
Buddy...tehniques and physiscs are important but motivation more important than that!!!;)
Let's just make a hope he will add the motivation for China Open..(where there's no Malay player, Ok..):rolleyes:

if he's on the mood :)taufik is definitely a superb player and right now a world champion and an olympic champion.No one can dispute that,not even lin dan.But to say whenever he loses,he is not in the mood,it is unspotsmanlike.Bear in mind,you are spoiling his reputation.Taufik is a genuine fine gentleman,cos whenever he loses he gives credit to his opponent.He never mentions that he is not in the mood.Hope you are sporting enough to take this comment in good faith.I like Taufik too,especially his explosive response.

Taufik is a genuine fine gentleman,cos whenever he loses he gives credit to his opponent.He never mentions that he is not in the mood.
can't agree with you more !

taufik is definitely a superb player and right now a world champion and an olympic champion.No one can dispute that,not even lin dan.But to say whenever he loses,he is not in the mood,it is unspotsmanlike.Bear in mind,you are spoiling his reputation.Taufik is a genuine fine gentleman,cos whenever he loses he gives credit to his opponent.He never mentions that he is not in the mood.Hope you are sporting enough to take this comment in good faith.I like Taufik too,especially his explosive response.

Maybe you don't really know..
let me tell you something..what he want to reach after WC is All England..
and he get really big attention for that tournament..
maybe he plays so well..but it's not maximum..(i don't get the feel when he's won the olympiade and WC)