i just noticed that they have revived the World Cup for year 2005. According to the IBF calendar, it will be held in Yiyang, China in December.

the World Cup (can't they use a better name?) is invitational tournament, only top 16 MS, top 12 WS, top 8 MD, top 6 WD and top 6 XD players are invited.

this is rather similar to the World Grand Prix Finals which was discontinued a few years ago. very confusing indeed, can't they just name it the WGPF instead?

they will start to use the 3x21 rally scoring system in the WCup 2005.

Hmm, sounds quite similar to a mini-version of the World Championship event. And to a certain extent, last year's Copenhagen Masters Invitation. If this "new" tournament is held, then what happens to the CM Invitation for this year??..

i just noticed that they have revived the World Cup for year 2005. According to the IBF calendar, it will be held in Yiyang, China in December.

the World Cup (can't they use a better name?) is invitational tournament, only top 16 MS, top 12 WS, top 8 MD, top 6 WD and top 6 XD players are invited.

this is rather similar to the World Grand Prix Finals which was discontinued a few years ago. very confusing indeed, can't they just name it the WGPF instead?

they will start to use the 3x21 rally scoring system in the WCup 2005.

Hmm, sounds quite similar to a mini-version of the World Championship event. And to a certain extent, last year's Copenhagen Masters Invitation. If this "new" tournament is held, then what happens to the CM Invitation for this year??..

CM is of a totally different purpose though. their invitation is not based on world rankings, they are just based on what the organizing committee's preference.

CM is also not an official IBF tournament. there will be no points awarded to the winners.

the WCup 2005 is based on world ranking and it is an IBF sanctioned tournament. the prize money is quite handsome at US$250,000

As far as the CM Invitation, will it still be held this year??..Because i noticed on IBF website that the WorldCup event will be held just 2 weeks prior to CMI..

And do you or does anyone know who will be the main sponsor of this WCup 2005 event??Will it be solely Yonex-sponsorship??..Yah, that's quite some payday and add to that the CMI prize money..hehe:p :cool: :)

CM is of a totally different purpose though. their invitation is not based on world rankings, they are just based on what the organizing committee's preference.

CM is also not an official IBF tournament. there will be no points awarded to the winners.

the WCup 2005 is based on world ranking and it is an IBF sanctioned tournament. the prize money is quite handsome at US$250,000

Schweet! But I still don't like the scoring. :(

As far as the CM Invitation, will it still be held this year??..Because i noticed on IBF website that the WorldCup event will be held just 2 weeks prior to CMI..

And do you or does anyone know who will be the main sponsor of this WCup 2005 event??Will it be solely Yonex-sponsorship??..Yah, that's quite some payday and add to that the CMI prize money..hehe:p :cool: :)

i do hope the CMI will be held. many players will go for the $ while the WCup have both prize money as well as ranking points. each CMI event only have 6 or so invitees and i think they all get paid...

i just noticed that they have revived the World Cup for year 2005. According to the IBF calendar, it will be held in Yiyang, China in December.

the World Cup (can't they use a better name?) is invitational tournament, only top 16 MS, top 12 WS, top 8 MD, top 6 WD and top 6 XD players are invited.

this is rather similar to the World Grand Prix Finals which was discontinued a few years ago. very confusing indeed, can't they just name it the WGPF instead?

they will start to use the 3x21 rally scoring system in the WCup 2005.

Strange numbers for WS, WD and XD. Why not 8 or 16? Wouldn't that be better for knockout?

Strange numbers for WS, WD and XD. Why not 8 or 16? Wouldn't that be better for knockout?

yeah. i was wondering about that too.

however, it also depends on the tournament format. i don't remember how the World Cup format was. but for WGPF, it was a group match -> elimination. each group have 3 players, they play against all players within the same group. then the winner of the group goes into elimination round.

World Cup or Grand Prix Final, as long as it's exciting like in 1999 and 1998 then I am all for it. Give 21-point system a chance, I think it's a better system for general viewer who doesn't have 5 hours to sit thru the whole tournament.
Who knows, US may organise the 2006 Grand Prix/World Cup then we can have another BF gathering in Arrowhead Pond :-)

World Cup or Grand Prix Final, as long as it's exciting like in 1999 and 1998 then I am all for it. Give 21-point system a chance, I think it's a better system for general viewer who doesn't have 5 hours to sit thru the whole tournament.

LOL! Relatively speaking Badminton is the fastest sport in terms of not only play but time lapse. Watch baseball, volleyball, soccer, football, golf :p heck, any sport. They are all move way sllllllow. :p

Who knows, US may organise the 2006 Grand Prix/World Cup then we can have another BF gathering in Arrowhead Pond :-)

BC gathering sounds great! :D

i just noticed that they have revived the World Cup .
Does that mean it will be held annually from now on or is it just that China is interested in hosting such an event?
Wow!China is going to have three 6* events for 2005.
I was also wondering why it is called World Cup?Will the winners be awarded cups?How was it done before in the prevous World Cups?

This is too confusing.First we have the WC being held every year and now the World Cup.But it's a great news to hear....it will be nice to have a big tournament at the end of every year.

Yah, i was thinking in the same line also..What's the reasoning or motive or intention behind "reviving" this tourney, esp. near the end of the year??My guess is, marketing most likely..Also, will this be a regular annual tourney from now on??...It seems like IBF can put up any kind of "new" tournament, anytime and anywhere they wanted..

Last, sorry for *getting technical* here, but if they are using the term "Invitation", then why the top 12 or 6 or 8 ranked players/pairs in the world??..If they using an "invitation" then most likely it'll be pretty selected, not necessarily in order of top world ranking. Similar to the Asia vs. Europe Cup tournament recently held in Philippines...never mind the ramblings..:p

Does that mean it will be held annually from now on or is it just that China is interested in hosting such an event?
Wow!China is going to have three 6* events for 2005.
I was also wondering why it is called World Cup?Will the winners be awarded cups?How was it done before in the prevous World Cups?

This is too confusing.First we have the WC being held every year and now the World Cup.But it's a great news to hear....it will be nice to have a big tournament at the end of every year.

Yah, i was thinking in the same line also..What's the reasoning or motive or intention behind "reviving" this tourney, esp. near the end of the year??My guess is, marketing most likely..Also, will this be a regular annual tourney from now on??...It seems like IBF can put up any kind of "new" tournament, anytime and anywhere they wanted..

Last, sorry for *getting technical* here, but if they are using the term "Invitation", then why the top 12 or 6 or 8 ranked players/pairs in the world??..If they using an "invitation" then most likely it'll be pretty selected, not necessarily in order of top world ranking. Similar to the Asia vs. Europe Cup tournament recently held in Philippines...never mind the ramblings..:p

I think the word "invitation" is misunderstood in this case. It's more like a reward for players finishing at the top end of the rankings. From an IBF standpoint, it's a way for them to motivate players to compete more during the year and pick up ranking points. It's them saying "play more and play well and we will reward you with some extra $$$ at the end of the year". Other sports have this system going (golf, tennis) so why bot badminton. IBF just has to package it well; there has to be some sort of prestige/exclusivity attached to it.

i see the purpose of the WCup slightly differently.

currently there is the World Championships. one of the feature of the world championship is to encourage diverse participation. there are quotas for each country. as a result, more lower ranked players are able to qualify and represent their country in the WC. the WC achieves the goal for being a annual tournament that has a broad participation.

the WCup on the other hand, only "invites" the top ranked players. if the format is what i think it is (ie. a group format leads to semi-final and final elimination), then it provides a tournament for the top players to play against each other. being a group format, it allows for more clashes of top players against each other.

in other words, in the WCup, almost every match will be exciting to watch. as oppose to the WC where the earlier rounds are usually seeded players against a much lower ranked one.

the combination of the WC and WCup covers both broad as well as depth. and i think they will complement each other quite well.

the only downside i see is that the WCup may dilute the significance of the WC. due to the more competitive nature as well as high prize money.

overall, i think this is a good development, only time will tell if this can continue, but as a badminton fan, i am looking forward to the WCup this year.

i only wish that it could've been announced earlier. or announced at all...

This sounds very exciting. I can't wait to see the matches. :D

I see....

But if i think about it more, if you say "It's more like a reward for players finishing at the top end of the rankings", don't you think the "top end of the rankings" is a bit *relative*. What i meant is, why are they choosing different no. of ranked players for each field(ie. MS has 16, while the others have less, basically unequal no. of ranked players/pair across the fields)...What if a player said, hey, how come such ranked players are invited and i'm not??..So there is no "clear cut" definition..
OTOH, the WC format is more "fair" and equal by selecting the same no. of players/pairs to compete across the fields, i believe(correct me if i'm wrong)..:p

Anyways, yah, it looks more and more like it's a marketing strategy by IBF.. :rolleyes:

I think the word "invitation" is misunderstood in this case. It's more like a reward for players finishing at the top end of the rankings. From an IBF standpoint, it's a way for them to motivate players to compete more during the year and pick up ranking points. It's them saying "play more and play well and we will reward you with some extra $$$ at the end of the year". Other sports have this system going (golf, tennis) so why bot badminton. IBF just has to package it well; there has to be some sort of prestige/exclusivity attached to it.

hehe, that's what my wonderment is about and related to, what is and how they define "invites" or "invitation"...if they only "invite" the top 12 women singles players, then why not the next 4, like the MS??..or only top 8 MD pairs??..why not the top 12 or 16 pairs and so on and so forth??...

anyways, sorry again for this silly ramblings...:p


the WCup on the other hand, only "invites" the top ranked players. if the format is what i think it is (ie. a group format leads to semi-final and final elimination), then it provides a tournament for the top players to play against each other. being a group format, it allows for more clashes of top players against each other.

I see....

But if i think about it more, if you say "It's more like a reward for players finishing at the top end of the rankings", don't you think the "top end of the rankings" is a bit *relative*. What i meant is, why are they choosing different no. of ranked players for each field(ie. MS has 16, while the others have less, basically unequal no. of ranked players/pair across the fields)...What if a player said, hey, how come such ranked players are invited and i'm not??..So there is no "clear cut" definition..
OTOH, the WC format is more "fair" and equal by selecting the same no. of players/pairs to compete across the fields, i believe(correct me if i'm wrong)..:p

Anyways, yah, it looks more and more like it's a marketing strategy by IBF.. :rolleyes:


Would have been fairer if IBF had specified the numbers per discipline at the beginning of the year so that players knew what to aim for. (Perhaps they do and we don't :rolleyes: ). I suspect though, through IBF's brand of half-brained thinking, it was something conjured up at the last minute with minimal planning or thought. Hence the lack of notice or promotion. I sure hope the new marketing company IBF has hired will promote the game better.

the only downside i see is that the WCup may dilute the significance of the WC. due to the more competitive nature as well as high prize money.

overall, i think this is a good development, only time will tell if this can continue, but as a badminton fan, i am looking forward to the WCup this year.


Actually since the players are invited based on rankings i think a title like 'World Masters' would be appropriate.For what you mentioned i would say that World Championships and the World Cup will dilute each other simply because of the 'name'.
Again as you mentioned Kwun i think it is a nice idea to have a World Championships in which players from a lot of countries get a chance to take part and a WCup in which the top players take part.

While this is an interesting development i think it is going to cause a lot of confusion especially in the minds of those following the game as to which is the biggest tournament in Badminton.Hopefully this does not happen.

Actually since the players are invited based on rankings i think a title like 'World Masters' would be appropriate.For what you mentioned i would say that World Championships and the World Cup will dilute each other simply because of the 'name'.
Again as you mentioned Kwun i think it is a nice idea to have a World Championships in which players from a lot of countries get a chance to take part and a WCup in which the top players take part.

While this is an interesting development i think it is going to cause a lot of confusion especially in the minds of those following the game as to which is the biggest tournament in Badminton.Hopefully this does not happen.

agree!

there used to be the World Grand Prix Finals. while the name isn't as flashy and grand sounding as "World Cup", it is much more descriptive and appropriate and won't be mistaken with the WC.

I was wondering of 2 things-one, is the title of the event 'Invitational World Cup 2005' ...and not 'World Cup 2005'.....so if the event is held in 2006,it will be called 'Invitational World Cup 2006' .Atleast this will create lesser confusion.


Secondly,I was also wondering that if the number of entries are to be considered then it is similar to those in which the China Masters was to be initially held[or rumoured to be held].....i.e with 16 MS,12 WS etc Players.
Of course later on the China Masters was like a normal event with a 64-Player draw in each of MS,WS etc since hardly any international players turned up.
Could it be that the fact that the China Masters was reduced to almost a national event prompted China to have another top 'Masters' event and this paved the way to the WCup....or was this in mind before??

I read from newspaper today world cup will be the first to introduce 21 points system and then all international tournaments will adopt next year. I also heard the new scoring system will award point to every winning shot. Anyone knows if this is confirmed or simply a rumor ?

There was a World Cup held anually from 1981 to 1997 (at least).
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/intbadfed/cup.html

There was also a World Grand Prix Finals held annually from 1983 to 1999 (at least).
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/intbadfed/prix.html

While I can understand the format and title of the World Championship (get players from all over the world in one huge meet, hence limit the players from same country), and the World Grand Prix Finals (players who score the most points from the Grand Prix events - strictly speaking this should not include Olympics, WC, team events etc., but I think it just uses the year-end ranking, so it includes all ranking events - during the year get to meet again in one grand final), but reason for the World Cup (not just World Cup, but the World Cup Invitational) escapes me. I won't complain though, I anticipate it, but it should be fair. Just wait and see when the time comes.

BC gathering sounds great! :D


Sounds great if S4MadMan is organising again!

Sounds great if S4MadMan is organising again!

Sure, I can do that. :D

i do believe that China will host world cup in the same city for the next two years..from 2005-2007 . i remembered i read article somewhere b4 from chinabadminton.com

i do believe that China will host world cup in the same city for the next two years..from 2005-2007 . i remembered i read article somewhere b4 from chinabadminton.com
could u or someone who can read chinese confirm this?

could u or someone who can read chinese confirm this?
i remember read that before too

yes ..they r hosting next two world cup in Yiyang , so it means China will host World Cup for the next two years

While this is an interesting development i think it is going to cause a lot of confusion especially in the minds of those following the game as to which is the biggest tournament in Badminton.Hopefully this does not happen.

Badminton's not the only sport with this confusing naming nomenclature. In alpine skiing, the circuit is called the "World Cup" (i.e. x number of races a season akin to open tournaments in badminton). Every 3 years (I think), they have a "World Championship". The only thing they don't have is an "Invitational World _____" (fill in the blank). You get the picture. Skiing has done well so I don't think how the events/circuit are named matters in this case.

New scoring system to debut at Badminton World Cup 2005

Author: Xinhuanet

Thursday 27 October 2005

The International Badminton Federation (IBF) will apply the new scoring system in the Badminton World Cup 2005 to be held in December at Yiyang, central China's Hunan Province.

The new scoring system will come into effect in the World Cup, to be held from December 15-18, and will be applied to all the other international events starting from next year, China's State General Administration of Sport said at a press conference here on Wednesday.

"The new rules will make matches faster and would also cut the duration of tournaments," said Liu Fengyan, director of the administration's Table Tennis & Badminton Administrative Center.

Under the new system, each rally will be awarded a point, while the current system awards one point only to the serving player who wins a rally.

The new rules also adopts a format of best-of-three games and a21-point system for all the events. Currently, a winner is decided after 15 points for men's singles, men's and women's doubles and mixed doubles with 11 points for women's singles.

"According to the IBF statistics, the new rules will shorten the duraton of the games by one third of time," said Liu.

The World Cup, with a total prizemoney of 250,000 US dollars on offer this year, will feature players ranked among the top 16 for men's singles, top 12 for women's singles, top eight for men's doubles and top six for both women's doubles and mixed doubles.

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even though i am for rally point scoring[unlike most of them],for the matches to redue one-third of a length is too much i think.
Anyway it's going to be tried in the WCup so we will know all the pros and cons soon enough.

New scoring system to debut at Badminton World Cup 2005

Author: Xinhuanet

Thursday 27 October 2005

Anyway it's going to be tried in the WCup so we will know all the pros and cons soon enough.

Noooooooooo! :crying: :crying: :crying:

OK... :p

21 is too short for fast game like badminton,

it should be 24.

21 is too short for fast game like badminton,

it should be 24.

24? Why not 50 or 60? ;) :p

21 points is fine, but I think it should be best of 5 rather than 3. Just look at Table Tennis, it is 21 points in best of 7, already it is so fast before we can really enjoy the game.

21 points is fine, but I think it should be best of 5 rather than 3. Just look at Table Tennis, it is 21 points in best of 7, already it is so fast before we can really enjoy the game.

yes i agree with u... the best of 5 :)... if using the besf of 3, the game will be ended so short, it's no good for televison, i can be 2 hours for all final matches :)

the 21 points system will be used for all other tournaments next Jan ..let see how long this one will last:rolleyes:

21 points is fine, but I think it should be best of 5 rather than 3. Just look at Table Tennis, it is 21 points in best of 7, already it is so fast before we can really enjoy the game.

Table tennis is 11 pts best of 7...

anyway i have doubts over whether the 21x3 scoring will last, just look at the last time they tried to change it

21 points and 3 out 5 is going 2 test on next Feb during the Thomas & Uber cups in Japan .

21 points and 3 out 5 is going 2 test on next Feb during the Thomas & Uber cups in Japan .

Hmmmm, should be interesting...maybe we'll try the new scoring tonight and see how it goes... :p

The 2006 Thomas and Uber Cups Continental Preliminary Rounds, are held in numerous places in February, with each continents holding its own prelim stages:

-Oceania Continent in Auckland, NZ http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=20&itemid=8450
-Pan America Continent in Lima, Peru
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=20&itemid=8449
-Asian Continent in Jaipur, India
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=20&itemid=8338
-European Continent in Thessalonica, Greece
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=20&itemid=8447
-African Ccontinent in Rose Hill, MRi-Mauritius
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=20&itemid=8446

The tournament itself is held in Japan in April, not February

Yes, i agree the prelims will test out the new scoring system, eventhough IBF will already have 2-3 main tournaments played before the TC & UC prelim rounds.

21 points and 3 out 5 is going 2 test on next Feb during the Thomas & Uber cups in Japan .

yup ..the Thomas & Uber cup Final will be play in April....not Feb .

but there is no second serve on doubles :confused: will be test on the

continental stage during the Feb:cool: and also no longer using double serve

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