Taneepak: Thanks! 4 Fly Clamps vs. 2 Fly Clamps

[DinkAlot]

(Tan)Eepak stated a few posts down that it was essential to use 4 fly clamps when stringing the mains with a stringing machine that had no fixed clamps.

Well, I tried his suggestion on 4 rackets and though I feel it's not essential, it definitely is better and I will use Eepak's suggestion from now on. :D

I don't believe there is a significant tension loss using two clamps instead of four because you "make it up" when you pull the next string but Eepak's 4 fly clamp method is definitely more better, minimal tension loss.

The analogy I give is why do something at 90%-92% success when you can do it at 95+% success with minimal extra time spent?

Thanks Eepak! :D

[cooler]

some people prefer 99+% success by using fixed clamps:P

[ants]

Well if you have no fixed clamps, you have no choice but to use flying clamps which 4 flying clamps is sufficient.

[DinkAlot]

some people prefer 99+% success by using fixed clamps:P

Yeah, I'm not a ballar like you. :p

[cooler]

i have 3 fixed and 1 fly. Equivalent to 7 fly :confused: :p

[DinkAlot]

i have 3 fixed and 1 fly. Equivalent to 7 fly :confused: :p

3 fixed and you still do those screwy tie-knots on NS8000s?! ;) :p :D :D :D

[cooler]

3 fixed and you still do those screwy tie-knots on NS8000s?! ;) :p :D :D :D

screwy knots you say hey :confused: :D

the uglier the knots, the tighter they will be :p
it's a fact of life :D

Since nobody notice it yet, that ns8000 was done hybrid stringing, and it ain't your regular hybrid either ;)

[DinkAlot]

the uglier the knots, the tighter they will be :p
it's a fact of life :D

Not ugly knots, I don't care about that, it's where you tied them.

Remember, 6 and 8 position.

[cooler]

Not ugly knots, I don't care about that, it's where you tied them.

Remember, 6 and 8 position.

i think u forgot, i don't follow anyone conventions :p
didnt i said unconventional hybrid stringing (as compare to conventional hybrid) :rolleyes:

Watch out for those 'positions' u r advocating :D
The knots can get 'kinky'

[DinkAlot]

Watch out for those 'positions' u r advocating :D
The knots can get 'kinky'

My knots are definitely less "kinky" than yours. :eek:

:p :D

[cooler]

My knots are definitely less "kinky" than yours. :eek:

:p :D
it's ok 4 u coz u break the string before the knots come into play. :p

[DinkAlot]

it's ok 4 u coz u break the string before the knots come into play. :p

True. True. :o :p

[jerby]

thread revive.
what do you mean 4 fly clamps? just 2 behidn each other when doign the mains?
is it nessacery when stringing below 22lbs? (nobody on my club goes higher, only me and soem other bloke strign around 21-22lbs)




The knots can get 'kinky'
what's wrong with kinky?:p

[silentheart]

thread revive.
what do you mean 4 fly clamps? just 2 behidn each other when doign the mains?
is it nessacery when stringing below 22lbs? (nobody on my club goes higher, only me and soem other bloke strign around 21-22lbs)




what's wrong with kinky?:p


Hi Jerby,
Depend on who you talk to and what brand of fly clamps you use. In general, Yonex and HiQua fly clamp can sting up to 25lb without any problem from many of the posts here. Also depend on which starting method, you can string with a starting pin (or LazzyBuddy made one with left over string tie to a key ring) or starting clamp with 2 fly clamps. I personally feel that if you string higher than 25lb, it is better to use fix clamps.

And nothing wrong with kinky in bed (string bed)...:rolleyes:

[malayali]

And nothing wrong with kinky in bed (string bed)...:rolleyes:


Ha ha thats a good one .....

[cooler]

thread revive.
what do you mean 4 fly clamps? just 2 behidn each other when doign the mains?
is it nessacery when stringing below 22lbs? (nobody on my club goes higher, only me and soem other bloke strign around 21-22lbs)




what's wrong with kinky?:p

nothing wrong, i've already shown that my knots are kinkier than normal.
your question should be directed to others than me :p

[LazyBuddy]

thread revive.
what do you mean 4 fly clamps? just 2 behidn each other when doign the mains?
is it nessacery when stringing below 22lbs? (nobody on my club goes higher, only me and soem other bloke strign around 21-22lbs)



If with low tension and a consistent pulling machine (i.e. electrical, drop weight), then 2 flying clamps can get a decent job done. Of course, with 2 more, you can further minimize the risk.

I use 3. ;)

[jsunsun]

(Tan)Eepak stated a few posts down that it was essential to use 4 fly clamps when stringing the mains with a stringing machine that had no fixed clamps.

Well, I tried his suggestion on 4 rackets and though I feel it's not essential, it definitely is better and I will use Eepak's suggestion from now on. :D

I don't believe there is a significant tension loss using two clamps instead of four because you "make it up" when you pull the next string but Eepak's 4 fly clamp method is definitely more better, minimal tension loss.

The analogy I give is why do something at 90%-92% success when you can do it at 95+% success with minimal extra time spent?

Thanks Eepak! :D

Sorry but I couldn't find these instructions to 4 fly clamp stringing. Could someone direct me to it? Thanks!

[DinkAlot]

Sorry but I couldn't find these instructions to 4 fly clamp stringing. Could someone direct me to it? Thanks!

For the 4 clamp method, it's just on the main strings, not the cross, the cross strings uses two.

[fishmilk]

Sorry but I couldn't find these instructions to 4 fly clamp stringing. Could someone direct me to it? Thanks!

Normally... as you move along one side of the mains, your clamp will be at the top, then the bottom, and back on top... instead. have one clamp on the top and one on the bottom for both sides... so 4 clamps. If you want, I can illustrate this for you... you know what... i'll just do it right now =)

http://i1.tinypic.com/mw44cy.jpg

[jsunsun]

Thanks dink and fish! just finished my first string job with a drop weight machine. hopefully this will decrease my tension loss... machine set at 29x27lbs, but felt like 25x23lbs after strung...

[jsunsun]

Normally... as you move along one side of the mains, your clamp will be at the top, then the bottom, and back on top... instead. have one clamp on the top and one on the bottom for both sides... so 4 clamps. If you want, I can illustrate this for you... you know what... i'll just do it right now =)

http://i1.tinypic.com/mw44cy.jpg

WOW! very nice depiction of a AT700!!!

[DinkAlot]

Thanks dink and fish! just finished my first string job with a drop weight machine. hopefully this will decrease my tension loss... machine set at 29x27lbs, but felt like 25x23lbs after strung...

You mean 27/29lbs. right? You did 27lbs. for the main and 29lbs. for the cross, yes?

[jsunsun]

You mean 27/29lbs. right? You did 27lbs. for the main and 29lbs. for the cross, yes?

yes you're right. sorry my mistake.

[fishmilk]

Thanks dink and fish! just finished my first string job with a drop weight machine. hopefully this will decrease my tension loss... machine set at 29x27lbs, but felt like 25x23lbs after strung...

Are you comparing this to a 25lb stringjob from a professional stringer? Machines make huge differences. Electronic machines string a bit tighter...

[Pete LSD]

Fishmilk, are you comparing your machine (no fixed clamps) to an electronic machine?


Are you comparing this to a 25lb stringjob from a professional stringer? Machines make huge differences. Electronic machines string a bit tighter...

[jerby]

Normally... as you move along one side of the mains, your clamp will be at the top, then the bottom, and back on top... instead. have one clamp on the top and one on the bottom for both sides... so 4 clamps. If you want, I can illustrate this for you... you know what... i'll just do it right now =)

http://i1.tinypic.com/mw44cy.jpg
I tried this. and honestly..what does it matter? the second clamp just sits there.

I thought it was liek this: a second clamp pushign against the first. so the first clamp doesn't 'slip' or lets the string get a little looser.
No in-game effect. but tension remains good.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/350/stringinggtg0.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stringinggtg0.png)
as you (hopefully see) clamp one clamps the freshly tensioned main and the 2e cross. clamp to sits against clamp 1 on the 2e and 3e mains

[DinkAlot]

I tried this. and honestly..what does it matter? the second clamp just sits there.

It absolutely matters/works, especially at higher tension. At lower tension, not as significant. Get some string that is multi-colored, like the Ashaway Power Green and you'll see the string move, the differences between 1 and 2 clamps. It's significant.

[jerby]

It absolutely matters/works, especially at higher tension. At lower tension, not as significant. Get some string that is multi-colored, like the Ashaway Power Green and you'll see the string move, the differences between 1 and 2 clamps. It's significant.
but I don;t string 28lbs (yet:p ) but wouldn't my method work better? it's also how he described you shoudl do the crosses

it's hard to explain, but when you tension a string and clamp it. and take of the tensioner. you see the clamp getting pulled inwards. and if you put that second clamp in it's really not there anymore. though it's still there with the fishmilk-method....

btw, I thought you have fixed, right?

[DinkAlot]

I have to go play BAD now so I can't reply in detail. But a few quick answers:

1) When I do the main strings, I use two clamps in-line.

2) When I do the cross strings, I have two clamps in-line and a third clamps on the previous cross.

3) Yes I have a fixed clamps but I only use them on the tie-offs. I feel the multi-fly clamp method works just fine for everything else and is much faster.

Case and point: I have never strung a racket where a person thinks the tension is loose. In fact, when I string at 25lbs. people think it's 28-29lbs. When I string at 28-29lbs. people think it's 32-34lbs. :p

One day I will do a post on exactly how I string. I think it's adequate. :)


but I don;t string 28lbs (yet:p ) but wouldn't my method work better? it's also how he described you shoudl do the crosses

it's hard to explain, but when you tension a string and clamp it. and take of the tensioner. you see the clamp getting pulled inwards. and if you put that second clamp in it's really not there anymore. though it's still there with the fishmilk-method....

btw, I thought you have fixed, right?

[taneepak]

I tried this. and honestly..what does it matter? the second clamp just sits there.

I thought it was liek this: a second clamp pushign against the first. so the first clamp doesn't 'slip' or lets the string get a little looser.
No in-game effect. but tension remains good.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/350/stringinggtg0.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stringinggtg0.png)
as you (hopefully see) clamp one clamps the freshly tensioned main and the 2e cross. clamp to sits against clamp 1 on the 2e and 3e mains

This arrangement is what I mean-the two clamps must be close to each other. The picturs that Jerby shows has the 2 clamps separated, which is bad as it will lose tension.

[taneepak]

This arrangement is what I mean-the two clamps must be close to each other. The picturs that Jerby shows has the 2 clamps separated, which is bad as it will lose tension.

Sorry about mixing up the names. The earlier picture by Fishmilk is not the correct procedure I advocated. The later one by Jerby is the right one.

[jerby]

good to hear.

I'm still wondering what Fishmilks method would change...

and Dink: that would be great! and why use two clamps in a row on the crosses, and then a third on the 2e and 3e? what's the use of the second?

why not use fixed clamos with a flying backing it up?:p 100% accuracy:D

one thign though, I strung a regualr customers racket. usually it's white bg65 at 23lbs. now did a blue string (still bg65) but strung each strign seperatly and with 2 clamps. he said he thought the blue bg65 was a lot stiffer than teh white one....

[Neil Nicholls]

I always thought taneepak meant like option B in this picture

[jerby]

to quote myself.
I thought it was liek this: a second clamp pushign against the first. so the first clamp doesn't 'slip' or lets the string get a little looser.
No in-game effect. but tension remains good.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/350/stringinggtg0.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stringinggtg0.png)

and then to quote taneepak
"Sorry about mixing up the names. The earlier picture by Fishmilk is not the correct procedure I advocated. The later one by Jerby is the right one."

so..yes...clamp 1 holds freshly tensioned plus #2. second clamp goes #2 an #3. so you're right..

[taneepak]

I always thought taneepak meant like option B in this picture

Yes, option B, similar to what Jerby has posted, is what I have always suggested.

[LazyBuddy]

I always thought taneepak meant like option B in this picture

Option A only gives a bit help as "wider / more teeth". Option B definitely contribute more benefit in the progress. :rolleyes:

[taneepak]

Gorget option A because it is useless, even if you use two more flying clamps.

[taneepak]

Gorget option A because it is useless, even if you use two more flying clamps.

Should be forget.

[DinkAlot]

Gorget option A because it is useless, even if you use two more flying clamps.

And why is Option A useless? I still think it's better than one clamp.

[jerby]

well, that might be true. But B would be 'even better'

the way I see it is like this
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8964/stringingbkh1.th.png (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stringingbkh1.png)

in A (and B..) the first clamp is subjected to the biggest force. the string 'wants' to lose tension and therefore the clamp is getting pulled sideways, and even completely a bit backwards. in A the second clamp doesn't stop this.

Now in B, the first clamp is subjected to the 'inward' force of the string wich is trying to shorten itself. but the second clamp (clamp the 2th and 3th main) is suporting it by resting against it, and stopping the 'pulling back' force. the second clamp is a support.

[DinkAlot]

the way I see it is like this
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8964/stringingbkh1.th.png (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stringingbkh1.png)

in A (and B..) the first clamp is subjected to the biggest force. the string 'wants' to lose tension and therefore the clamp is getting pulled sideways, and even completely a bit backwards. in A the second clamp doesn't stop this.

Now in B, the first clamp is subjected to the 'inward' force of the string wich is trying to shorten itself. but the second clamp (clamp the 2th and 3th main) is suporting it by resting against it, and stopping the 'pulling back' force. the second clamp is a support.

Right, but in order to get that offset, the two clamps have to be side by side, and snug. You can't always get that positioning because sometimes the cross string is in the way and you have to clamp at a different location. This gets timing consuming...I might as well use my fixed clamps...

...with this said, every "professional" stringer I've talked to, they don't even bother with all this, they all use two floating clamps for the mains and one for the crosses. Why? Their goal is different, they string for money and speed is of the essence. My goal is somewhere in the middle. :)

[taneepak]

This is a free world and everyone is free to use any method of clamping that achieves their goal. Professional stringers' goal is speed because speed means money. One of my friends strings his own racquets by hand, from string left-overs from me, whenever he is out of a job but reverts back to machine stringing when he gets re-employed-very sensible goals.

[DinkAlot]

This is a free world and everyone is free to use any method of clamping that achieves their goal.

Of course, that was the purpose of my post.

Going back to Option B clamping, I have been experiencing with it a bit more and feel you can use it with minimum time/speed loss, you just have to know when and where to clamp so there's no gap between the two clamps.

[jerby]

well, on the maisn it's not such a big deal...because when you free-strign the crosses just move away for you to place the clamps. on the crosses you mgith not always get the chance. Meh, **** happens...

[taneepak]

Of course, that was the purpose of my post.

Going back to Option B clamping, I have been experiencing with it a bit more and feel you can use it with minimum time/speed loss, you just have to know when and where to clamp so there's no gap between the two clamps.

You will see a different picture if you look beyond just two strings.

[DinkAlot]

You will see a different picture if you look beyond just two strings.

I am, I'm looking at three strings and the actual clamp movement; or therelackof. :p