LD Bashers really annoy me

[Trance]

Everytime people mention Lin Dan, they of course usually mention his number 1 status. But then at the same time, we have the LD bashers who enter into topics and promote Gade or Taufik. Now, although there is no problem with this, they always end up bashing LD by saying things such as LD is not as good as Gade or Taufik just because his technique is not as good. Or, they will say that LD wins because he has more stamina/endurance and that his number 1 status means nothing.

Honestly, you truly believe World #1 Status means nothing? LD's stamina/endurance carries him through the game and if he is more fit than others, then that is an advantage to him, not just one of those things you can use to bash him down. It's equivalent to comparing anything else in the world and claiming that one is better than the other even though that other is ranked the best.

Yes, I know people have their opinions, and they also believe that other player's tactics or techniques may be better than LD. Yes, it is perfectly ok to make constructive criticism to say that he could improve on an aspect or say that he is not as keen on certain techniques as someone else. But the idea of saying he's not the true #1 and "insert other players name here" is better because his "whatever" is better is not true sportsmanship.

All in all, people should rethink their comments on saying "Oh, LD is not the true number 1 because he just lasts longer than his opponents" or some other comment that demotes his rank as #1. For to obtain that status implies that all other qualities are included.

Yeahyeah, go nitpick at the structure of my sentences to say that I'm not being fair or objective or some other comment to bash my post. But my point was merely to bring up the fact that it is all relative comparisons.

[DinkAlot]

LD = # 1 player in the world based on the world rankings point system.

That is fact.

Everything else is subjective. :p

[hcyong]

I agree with you mostly, Trance. It is the same as when Bach/Gunawan won the WC, I feel they got as much bashing as cheering. Some say that Bach still need to prove himself on other stages. If I were Bach, I could retire contented now. Why would I need to prove myself further? I have already won one the biggest prizes in badminton.

[hcyong]

LD = # 1 player in the world based on the world rankings point system.

That is fact.

Everything else is subjective. :p

There is an insinuation that the world ranking system is unfair. LD did not manipulate the system to end up #1. Maybe his biggest crime is to end up #1 by only trying his best.

[scchang]

I don't agree with that fairness of the ranking system. If you went into deep enough to see how the ranking system works, you will find a big loophole. If a player (or a pair) can participate enough tournamemts, s/he/they will be able to collect enough points to be ranked at a better position. Then the person or pair would probably be seeded for the coming tournaments and have a better chance to collect more points. So on and so forth. The philosophy that IBF designed the ranking system has one interesting point: to encourage the players to participate more competitions sanctioned by IBF. This is not a bad idea but however leaves some points to be argued about if the ranked one is really the number one.

Like MD, I don't think that anyone would argue about that Candra and Sigit are not the number one pair; or among those top pairs. Is this argumentative?

Lin Dan has the agility and stamina to play great badminton and I don't deny he is among the top tier players. But if you did want to say who the real world number one men's single player is, I will not say Lin Dan is even though he is ranked at the top in the system.

-SC



There is an insinuation that the world ranking system is unfair. LD did not manipulate the system to end up #1. Maybe his biggest crime is to end up #1 by only trying his best.

[hcyong]

What? Ten tournaments a year too much? IBF only requires a player/pair to participate in ten tournaments annually (and if you play in a team tournament, you only have to take part in 9 individual tournaments).

A ranking system is only fair if it requires some minimum amount of participation. If a top player plays in only one tournament per year and wins it every time, should he be #1?


I don't agree with that fairness of the ranking system. If you went into deep enough to see how the ranking system works, you will find a big loophole. If a player (or a pair) can participate enough tournamemts, s/he/they will be able to collect enough points to be ranked at a better position. Then the person or pair would probably be seeded for the coming tournaments and have a better chance to collect more points. So on and so forth. The philosophy that IBF designed the ranking system has one interesting point: to encourage the players to participate more competitions sanctioned by IBF. This is not a bad idea but however leaves some points to be argued about if the ranked one is really the number one.

Like MD, I don't think that anyone would argue about that Candra and Sigit are not the number one pair; or among those top pairs. Is this argumentative?

Lin Dan has the agility and stamina to play great badminton and I don't deny he is among the top tier players. But if you did want to say who the real world number one men's single player is, I will not say Lin Dan is even though he is ranked at the top in the system.

-SC

[Russki Bear]

Well I don't see how else you can do it - if you don't enter the tournaments you can't get the points.
Admittedly I don't know the details of the system, but surely the system gives greater weighting to superior tournaments? If this is not the case then there is a problem.

[hcyong]

What? Ten tournaments a year too much? IBF only requires a player/pair to participate in ten tournaments annually (and if you play in a team tournament, you only have to take part in 9 individual tournaments).

A ranking system is only fair if it requires some minimum amount of participation. If a top player plays in only one tournament per year and wins it every time, should he be #1?

A bit wrongly worded. IBF does not require a player to take part in 10 tournaments per year. Rather the ranking system sums up your points from the 10 best tournaments (including at most one team tournament) in the last 52 weeks. So, if you only participated in 9 events, you are disadvantaged as your opponents have one more event to count towards their rankings.

I have seen a few ranking systems, and I believe the current IBF system is close to accurate. Perhaps it only needed a few tweaks in how much points to give for different levels of events (7*, 6*, 5* etc.).

Averaging
The current WISPA (female squash professionals) system, uses something like averaging. (But they still require a minimum 8 events per year. After all, laws of averaging requires a certain amount of samples.) But there is a quirk. A few years back, a world #1 lost her #1 ranking simply because she took part in an additional event (and she won it too!). The reason is because the event is a small one and offered comparatively little ranking points. At the next ranking update, it seems her points earned in that event brought her whole average down and she became world #2 (although for a short while only). At that time, she (Sarah Fitzgerald) was unofficially acknowledged as the undisputed world's best.

This sort of system may discourage players from taking part in lower-tier events, which is not good for badminton. This may force players to even skip their own home tournaments to the disappointment of the most supportive fans.

Simply adding them up
Just add the points up. This will benefit the hard worker who takes part in tournaments all year round. I find that this is the most unfair system.

The IBF system
Just add the points up, but cap it at 10 best events. The WTA (women's tennis) uses the same system but caps at 17 (!) events. The IBF number, I think, is about right, because a professional should be professional enough to play in 10 tournaments. After all, the fans want to see you. What good will it do to badminton if players only play 5-6 times a year?

A good addition to the system may be what WTA calls the Quality Points. Besides the usual ranking points, players can also gather points based on the ranking of the person that you beat. These points are added to your normal points. If you beat the world #1, you will get the maximum quality point and climb faster up the table. If you play in only small tournaments (or big tournaments devoid of big players), then the amount of Quality Points you can get is less.

[hcyong]

Well I don't see how else you can do it - if you don't enter the tournaments you can't get the points.
Admittedly I don't know the details of the system, but surely the system gives greater weighting to superior tournaments? If this is not the case then there is a problem.

Different levels of tournaments are given different weightings. The winner of a 7* event is given 6000 points, the winner of a 6* event is given 5400, 5* 4800, and so on...

[Russki Bear]

Thanks! Now I have to enter more than 15 characters!


Different levels of tournaments are given different weightings. The winner of a 7* event is given 6000 points, the winner of a 6* event is given 5400, 5* 4800, and so on...

[MikeD]

I agree with you in certain aspects. LD is obviously one of the top players, there is NO questioning that. He consistantly will make the top 4 in almost any tourney. However, the ranking system is a little white lie. Crediting players based on how many tournies they go to, and not how they did is a little odd. I could get 5th place and every tourney and still be ranked higher than someone who maybe won 3 or 4? Am i better, no, not at all. Look at Taufik, he avoids some major tournies, and when you compare his points based on how many tournies he's been to, his ranking is very close and if not higher than LD's. I'm not saying taufik should be ranked # 1 (Although in my books he would be :),) im just saying the title of having # 1 isn't the greatest achievement in the badminton world, it just means your country can send you to every tourney :p

[scchang]

Well said, Mike.

The current ranking system is an imcomplete one. The tournaments are graded based on the size of the open purses while the lists of participants are totally ignored. IBF needs to revise this with considering more factors.

Some of those tournaments had 5 or 6 stars but many famous players were not even there, just like Denmark open and Chinese Master this year. I somehow wonder how to compare apples with oranges. For the coming HK open, I definitely would not criticize about the content not matching with its grade (6 stars). This one should be fun and representative.

-SC

I agree with you in certain aspects. LD is obviously one of the top players, there is NO questioning that. He consistantly will make the top 4 in almost any tourney. However, the ranking system is a little white lie. Crediting players based on how many tournies they go to, and not how they did is a little odd. I could get 5th place and every tourney and still be ranked higher than someone who maybe won 3 or 4? Am i better, no, not at all. Look at Taufik, he avoids some major tournies, and when you compare his points based on how many tournies he's been to, his ranking is very close and if not higher than LD's. I'm not saying taufik should be ranked # 1 (Although in my books he would be :),) im just saying the title of having # 1 isn't the greatest achievement in the badminton world, it just means your country can send you to every tourney :p

[libra]

To SSChang, we've had many discussions on this forum about the inadequacy of the current ranking system but until you can find one 'perfect' formula there is no point bitching and ranting about how incomplete it is.

As for giving the appropriate weighting to tournaments based on prize money, by way of reasoning, the bigger the prize money the more likely the chance of the top players taking part. Is there a problem with this?

For the record, I am not a fan of Lin Dan but over the past two years I believe he has proved (through consistency) that he deserves the title of World Number 1.

[Simp84]

To SSChang, we've had many discussions on this forum about the inadequacy of the current ranking system but until you can find one 'perfect' formula there is no point bitching and ranting about how incomplete it is.

As for giving the appropriate weighting to tournaments based on prize money, by way of reasoning, the bigger the prize money the more likely the chance of the top players taking part. Is there a problem with this?

For the record, I am not a fan of Lin Dan but over the past two years I believe he has proved (through consistency) that he deserves the title of World Number 1.
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[DinkAlot]

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[hcyong]

I agree with you in certain aspects. LD is obviously one of the top players, there is NO questioning that. He consistantly will make the top 4 in almost any tourney. However, the ranking system is a little white lie. Crediting players based on how many tournies they go to, and not how they did is a little odd. I could get 5th place and every tourney and still be ranked higher than someone who maybe won 3 or 4? Am i better, no, not at all. Look at Taufik, he avoids some major tournies, and when you compare his points based on how many tournies he's been to, his ranking is very close and if not higher than LD's. I'm not saying taufik should be ranked # 1 (Although in my books he would be :),) im just saying the title of having # 1 isn't the greatest achievement in the badminton world, it just means your country can send you to every tourney :p

Whatever gave you the idea that the ranking system gives less credit to how well you do in the events than how many events you take part in?

This statement of yours:
I could get 5th place and every tourney and still be ranked higher than someone who maybe won 3 or 4
can you expand on that?

Based on my calculation (correct me if I'm wrong), if a player finishes 5th in every 6* events (if there are that many 6* events to go by), the most number of points he can get is 29700. If you take the current rankings into account, that's only 9th place.

If someone won four 6* events, he gets 21600. Question is, if for the past year, he only took part in 4 events, should he be ranked higher? If he did take part in 6 other events, he could crash out in second or third rounds and still end up higher in ranking than the one who get 5th place every time. But if you can crash out early in the majority of tournaments, do you deserve high ranking?

I agree with you that being #1 is not the biggest achievement in badminton, though, but it shouldn't be belittled as well.

[hcyong]

Well said, Mike.

The current ranking system is an imcomplete one. The tournaments are graded based on the size of the open purses while the lists of participants are totally ignored. IBF needs to revise this with considering more factors.

Some of those tournaments had 5 or 6 stars but many famous players were not even there, just like Denmark open and Chinese Master this year. I somehow wonder how to compare apples with oranges. For the coming HK open, I definitely would not criticize about the content not matching with its grade (6 stars). This one should be fun and representative.

-SC

It's like putting the cart before the horse. Can you find one sporting event that ranks a tournament based on participation instead of prize money or prestige? If Federer and Nadal pull out injured from the Australian Open, should the Open give less ranking?

Implementing your suggestion would give badminton nations the power to manipulate the ranking of tournaments. How would the Danes feel if the Denmark Open gets avoided year after year?

Players/nations skip big tournaments on their own will in spite of them being "big" events.

[hcyong]

im just saying the title of having # 1 isn't the greatest achievement in the badminton world, it just means your country can send you to every tourney :p

I would like to add that, in the past 52 weeks, the current #1 Lin Dan, took part in exactly 10 tournaments (including the Sudirman Cup). Now, that's not too many. It does not give him any room for error. In fact, I prefer if top badminton players play on average once per month.

In that 9 individual events, he won four: the China Open, China Masters, Japan Open and German Open, came second in three: World Champs, All-England and Malaysia Open, and made semis in the other two: Indonesia and Singapore.

Granted, there's contention that the China Masters lack top participation, but you cannot lay the same claim on the other events he took part in (except German Open, but he did not get much points from it being a lower-tier tournament: he still had to beat Xia, Bao and Hafiz for the title though).

The world ranked #2, Kenneth is about a massive 8,000 points away.

The only other man who can lay claim to being the best is Taufik and he is two tournaments short of Lin Dan. He is almost 11,000 points away from Lin Dan. And the fact is this, even if he maximises his points for that two remaining events (two wins in two 6* events - there are no other 7* events besides the WC), he will come just short of overhauling Lin Dan.

Taufik's record (not including Sudirman Cup)
Win 3 - World Champs, Singapore 2005, Indonesia 2004.
Semis 2 - China, Japan.
Quarters 1 - Malaysia.
R16 1 - Indonesia 2005.
Not counting towards ranking: Withdrew from Singapore 2004, Copenhagen Masters 2004.

[eskey]

The only other man who can lay claim to being the best is Taufik

Just my 2 cents.

Actually these arguments because only 1 man, if you take that man out, anyone will still question whether LD is real number one or not?

so end up become comparisons between LD vs TH, which already been discussed in so many in the other threads
And then why people keep comparing LD and TH or question "real" number one?
see below



Taufik's record (not including Sudirman Cup)
Win 3 - World Champs, Singapore 2005, Indonesia 2004.


1. The 3 wins happened by beating LD in the final (WC)/in s-final (Sing, Indo).
2. So far, TH has better record against LD
3. TH won recent OG and WC (most prestigious tournaments)

I couldn't more agree that we can't just bash LD down because of that. In the future if LD can reverse those facts, I believe nobody will question about that.

As S4MadMan said, LD = # 1 player in the world based on the world rankings point system. That is fact, so you can't change it, no point arguing on that.

Everything else is subjective. That's why so many pros and cons:)

[hcyong]

My point is more about people bashing LD by also bashing the ranking system, saying things like players taking part in a lot of tournaments have a huge advantage. Somehow to them, the ranking system is wrong because it made LD as #1. That was why I listed the events and the results, hopefully it will do the ranking system some justice.

[DinkAlot]

As S4MadMan said, LD = # 1 player in the world based on the world rankings point system. That is fact, so you can't change it, no point arguing on that.

Everything else is subjective. That's why so many pros and cons:)

Yep, if some are not satisfied, go argue with the IBF, the recognized authority in the world badminton realm. :p

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[MiaMia]

HCYong, I am with ya! Frankly , i am quite new to this forum, but the animosity that some people here hold against LinDan is strinking to me. If he wins, oh, it is merely the result of his better physical fitness and other player(s)' absence/lack of motivation; if he loses, see, it proves that he is not that great! on the contrary, God forbid, if other player(s) loses, oh, it is only because he(they) do not WANT to win! give me a break! this is professional sport, one needs a whole package: technique, physical fitness, mental strength, determination, etc.
there is nothing wrong being somebody's fans and having preference, but non-stop bashing does not bring superiority and glory to your hero.

[Sons of M'sia]

Everytime people mention Lin Dan, they of course usually mention his number 1 status. But then at the same time, we have the LD bashers who enter into topics and promote Gade or Taufik. Now, although there is no problem with this, they always end up bashing LD by saying things such as LD is not as good as Gade or Taufik just because his technique is not as good. Or, they will say that LD wins because he has more stamina/endurance and that his number 1 status means nothing.

Honestly, you truly believe World #1 Status means nothing? LD's stamina/endurance carries him through the game and if he is more fit than others, then that is an advantage to him, not just one of those things you can use to bash him down. It's equivalent to comparing anything else in the world and claiming that one is better than the other even though that other is ranked the best.

Yes, I know people have their opinions, and they also believe that other player's tactics or techniques may be better than LD. Yes, it is perfectly ok to make constructive criticism to say that he could improve on an aspect or say that he is not as keen on certain techniques as someone else. But the idea of saying he's not the true #1 and "insert other players name here" is better because his "whatever" is better is not true sportsmanship.

All in all, people should rethink their comments on saying "Oh, LD is not the true number 1 because he just lasts longer than his opponents" or some other comment that demotes his rank as #1. For to obtain that status implies that all other qualities are included.

Yeahyeah, go nitpick at the structure of my sentences to say that I'm not being fair or objective or some other comment to bash my post. But my point was merely to bring up the fact that it is all relative comparisons.



Come'on,y so care about wat ppl said??Dun take it so serious...LD is the best now,no can can deny it,but LD's techniques n skills r not as good as Gade's n Taufik's is also a fact.There sure got some reasons y the ppp said like tat.Do u really think tat LD is best in all kind?

Let me speak as a middle 1...I'm big fan of Sun Jun,I always watch him plays very long time ago,so just say I have no love wif LD,Taufik or Gade(I suppose hate him cuz he is achrival to Sun Jun).Let see,if u compare the badminton now n the past,u'll see there's a gap,now is not as compatative as before,yesterdays there have DongJiong, SunJun,XuenZe,ChenHong, Hendrawan,FungPermadi,ChoongHan Taufik, Mainaky, Arbi, HoyerLarsen,Gade n some tat can make big upset.They all r in the same level,can u imagine how compatative is it?But now,there r only LD,BCL,ChongWei,Taufik,Sony or maybe Gade.Even BCL,Sony n ChongWei still a bit lack behind.U can even guess who will win.

SO consider wat Gade has done n achieve in d past decade,sometimes he really impressed me,his skills n speed r just astonishing.But his lack of mentally fitness made him always shorts of expectation,tat's y he only manage finish as finalist n semi finalist in WC n Olympic.The fate also made a great joke to him as he suffer a serious injuries when he just 25(a year which is golden year for a player as they become mature).U c,untill now(still able plays n give great challenge to the young players) still got ppl always mention Gade,he is simply the best,at all time.Even SunJun is world champion b4,now not many ppl remember him.....Aiks....:crying:

LD also doing well todays,I really like his fighting spirit,tat's make hold an advantge over other players.Technique not good nvm,it can be learn,it'll will become better over the years.Taufik is such a talent,he start playing when he is just 17(not in junior level).After many years as he grow mature in both mind n technique n yet still very young,he is very dangeroues to LD.

Every players r special,some ppl said LD is not as good as Taukik n Gade this may bcoz of Gade n Taufik had played for a long time n three of them play in different "world".Just like I said ,the badminton quality now really cant match wif b4.So,LD is the best now,but still not so convincing,he still need to prove himself.:)

#My english very poor,hope u all understand...

[siaoxing]

Guy, too me i think that is unfair to Lin Dan. If your say that he not good compare to other player.. by saying his technique is not better than other player.. okie.. i accept that.. but if you are say that he win other just becoz he is fitter physical and more endurance.. it totally lame.. :mad: in badminton our training include technique and fitness and endurance.. it just that Lin Dan choose to train more on fitness and endurance.. to compensate on his weak area.. Who is born out to be ALREADY fitness.. NO ONE... IT all hardwork and endurance.. and as you train your fitness you train your endurance too.. IS THERE ANYHING WRONG WITH THAT?? After all i still think that he is a more complete player compare to other..

And in badminton, it doesnt mean that if taufik manage to win Lin Dan, taufik is still not the best.. or number one.. coz somehow the mental stress you get when you face with different player.. and i believe all badminton player has came across with it..

[taufik-ist]

i wonder if Lin dan knows this BC site...

he'll be upset to see so many posts againts him :)

[other]

i wonder if Lin dan knows this BC site...

he'll be upset to see so many posts againts him :)
seeing as they mostly come from taufik fans, im sure he won't be too bothered:p

seriously tho, a professional athlete should really not be too put off by comments from a internet forum....


but if he is reading this thread...
please..
1 improve your net play
2 improve your deception
3 improve your backhand so u don't have to cover it so much
4 dont lose concentration and play around in the match
5 jia you in 2006
:)

[jerby]

I'm not really a Lin Dan fan. but the fact that he's ranked one is absolute and undeniable....

but i just fancy Gade more..i like his style of play...there's nothign wrong with an opinion....

saying LD is better "because fo his stamina" is foolish...lame excuse

[taufik-ist]

but if he is reading this thread...
please..
1 improve your net play
2 improve your deception
3 improve your backhand so u don't have to cover it so much
4 dont lose concentration and play around in the match
5 jia you in 2006
:)

soft bashing :)

[other]

soft bashing :)

huh? what is soft bashing?

in my book what i said would count as constructuve criticism and encouragement:rolleyes: (well that's how i meant it)
obviously he has professionals to do that for him, but that was just my opinion on his weaknesses.

[Brave_Turtle]

seeing as they mostly come from taufik fans, im sure he won't be too bothered:p

seriously tho, a professional athlete should really not be too put off by comments from a internet forum....


but if he is reading this thread...
please..
1 improve your net play
2 improve your deception
3 improve your backhand so u don't have to cover it so much
4 dont lose concentration and play around in the match
5 jia you in 2006
:)

His net play is somehow already very good but ppl tend to always compare him with Taufik so... not fair.

If you carefully watch how he hit the bird, you will realize how his shots are deceptive and his speed can cover his backhand. I don't see why covering more court while hitting the bird is more advantageous than using a backhand especially when Lin has a lot of stamina.

Agree in the 4th and 5th point though :p

Lin is a great player!

[Wai Shing]

More often than not I have seen Taufik destroy Lin at the net duals....but who doesn't get killed by Taufik at net anyways (gade perhaps)??
I think the problem with his net skills is that they're not consistent, I watched some games where he was really sharp (denmark open 04 final vs xia) and some other games he was just not getting it over.

About the deception part, Lin has pulled off some of the most deceptive shots I've ever seen and there are many instances where Lin litterally wrongfoots :eek: his opponents in many games so I dont know where this comes from...

[other]

His net play is somehow already very good but ppl tend to always compare him with Taufik so... not fair.

If you carefully watch how he hit the bird, you will realize how his shots are deceptive and his speed can cover his backhand. I don't see why covering more court while hitting the bird is more advantageous than using a backhand especially when Lin has a lot of stamina.


well, surely as a top professional, you need to compare with those better than u to find faults and things to improve? I'm not saying his net shots are crap, but that is a part of his play that would greatly help him if it was improved. From what i remember (i'm not expert), many of his netshots just involve getting it back over straight. he does not seem to be able to play consistent deceptive cross court nets-or doesn't like to anyway.

mmm i guess i meant to try and work some BCL type deceptive slices, drops and half smashes into his game as well. obviously he doesn't have the height to get the same angles, but its a thought.

Lin indeed has lots of stamina....but a stronger backhand *may* result in easier recovery after a shot, rather than a round-the-head for example. He does seem to be playing a lot of 3 setters (or as others adapt to his style, he will end up playing more 3 sets) and for big tournaments with good opponents, he needs to save energy is possible without compromising winning.

LD has been seen to wrong foot his opponents but usually from the net by faking shots. i'd love to see some deceptive slices from the backcourt that leave opponents stranded.

haha...alright...no one can be perfect:D just some comments

[Trance]

Yeah, but saying that LD is best because of the current ranking point system and TH has won the WC and OC and they are more prestigious, then aren't we again basing it on the current point ranking system?

In my opinion, a clear comparison is how many tournaments either has won over the past year. That will show more consistency rather than who won the most important tournament.

[DinkAlot]

In my opinion, a clear comparison is how many tournaments either has won over the past year. That will show more consistency rather than who won the most important tournament.

Taufik is ahead...

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[BoboTheBadder]

I think Lin Dan really just lacks confidence right now. In 2004 he was really confident, and a confident LD == winning LD. Then the whole Olympic incident happened, and he doesn't seem as sure of himself as he used to be. I'm pretty sure the pressure the Chinese coaches are putting on him to win big tournaments isn't helping either.

To be honest, I very much miss the old LD that walked 20 circles around the court after every point, took off his shirt and screamed after a good victory, and did his crazy salutes all around. I don't know if you guys remember, but I think during his Thomas Cup match against Gade he went up for a jump smash and almost tripped over himself when he landed because he just put all his strength in it knowing that it would win him the point. That's the LD that win tournaments. You just don't see him with that kind of attitude anymore.

[DinkAlot]

To be honest, I very much miss the old LD that walked 20 circles around the court after every point, took off his shirt and screamed after a good victory, and did his crazy salutes all around. I ...You just don't see him with that kind of attitude anymore.

I think he's no longer as spastic and sporadic like that anymore because he's getting older and more mature. :p

Doing all those crazy things takes energy and energy is finite.

[taufik-ist]

huh? what is soft bashing?

in my book what i said would count as constructuve criticism and encouragement:rolleyes: (well that's how i meant it)
obviously he has professionals to do that for him, but that was just my opinion on his weaknesses.

it may be sarcasm :D