HK Open 2005 Quarter-Final [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

badMania

11-03-2005, 09:54 AM

Predicted winners in bold

MEN'S SINGLES

Lin Dan vs Peter Gade (it's good to have Peter Gade winning for a change)
Lee Chong Wei vs Wong Choong Hann
Chen Hong vs Bao Chunlai
Park Sung Hwan vs Shon Seung Mo

-- all (except for the last match) are tough matches and it could go either way

WOMEN'S SINGLES

Zhang Ning vs Xu Huaiwen
Pi Hongyan vs Tracy Hallam
Zhu Lin vs Wang Chen
Yao Jie vs Xie Xingfang

MEN'S DOUBLES

Anthony Clark/Robert Blair vs Sudket Prapakamol/Patapol Ngernsrisuk
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Gan Teik Chai/Abdul Latif Mohd Zakry
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto
Flandy Limpele/Eng Hian vs Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (it's a pity Markis/Hendra lost in 3 sets after winning the first set)

WOMEN'S DOUBLES

Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen vs Wei Yili/Zhao Tingting
Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung vs Ella Tripp/Joanne Nicholas
Gail Emms/Donna Kellogg vs Jo Novita/Greysia Polii
(another good performance for the no 1 Indonesian pair and they have a good chance to reach the semi-final of a 6* tournament tomorrow)
Chien Yu-Chin/Cheng Wen-Hsing vs Gao Ling/Huang Sui

MIXED DOUBLES

Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms
Zhang Jun/Gao Ling vs Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg
Koo Kien Keat/Ooi Sock Oi vs Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen
Anggun Nugroho/Yunita Tetty vs Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung
(rematch of Indonesia Open semi-final....much as I hope Anggun/Yunita to win, I still think Lee/Lee will win)

So, since all Indonesian pairs win tonight, I will make a trip to watch the quarter-final tomorrow night. Any other BC members currently in HK wanna watch together?

rollerbuzz

11-03-2005, 10:45 AM

Ricky

11-03-2005, 11:07 AM

i wanna watch limpele/eng hian in the semi's at least.. haven't seen them in action for quite sometime.. go indo! go lin dan! :D

I've watched the match and they will enter quarter final tomorrow.

cooler

11-03-2005, 11:38 AM

i would pick wch over lcw.

yannie

11-03-2005, 01:30 PM

i would pick wch over lcw.

same goes, and also lin dan over peter gade! for sure...

Simp84

11-03-2005, 02:14 PM

FAST!

11-03-2005, 02:39 PM

The line up for men singles sucks big time! Look at 3 ouf of the 4 matches.. they are all own country's affair... wouldn't it be so much more exciting if they all get jumble up!! haha :D I blame it on the draw :p

I don't agree with that simply because if we put all the good players in a single line, then no one will interest to watch the final. Because the result is very so obvious. Don't you think so?

yuval_ba

11-03-2005, 02:55 PM

... and also lin dan over peter gade! for sure...
I hope you are wrong :D
their last meeting on the WC was quite close and watching the match I think Peter made too many unforced errors.
I think it is 50-50 chances and hope it will be Peter Gade :)

FAST!

11-03-2005, 02:58 PM

I hope you are wrong :D
their last meeting on the WC was quite close and watching the match I think Peter made too many unforced errors.
I think it is 50-50 chances and hope it will be Peter Gade :)

I agreed with you, they are 50-50. But if Gade can't win the first game against LD, the chance for him is very slim.

Shuttlecock kin

11-03-2005, 04:25 PM

same goes, and also lin dan over peter gade! for sure...

I said 2 days ago that Taufik or Lin Dan will not win. Well, I am only 50% right thus far. Lin Dan is the best player in the world, a deservingly No.1 but his stars cannot shine all year round, its in the Feng-shui, its in the stars. WCH wins most of his titles towards the end of the Calendar year (China Open, World Runners-up etc) , he looks good and either him or Peter will triumph over Lin Dan.

I joined this site because I missed all the Singlish, Maglish and Honglish, they are so beautiful to read like

Last time he can, now cannot....or
Yesterday result not posted, today one also can't find...
and the gem of them all.....is
Wow, no got result, 6 star tournament, how can? so lau-ya one, this thing no good...

:)

ants

11-03-2005, 04:28 PM

Its so unfortunate that WCH have to face LCW in the quarters. Would hope at least they have each other in the semis or finals.

i think the match to watch will be peter vs lindan

virusvoodoo

11-03-2005, 04:36 PM

I agreed with you, they are 50-50. But if Gade can't win the first game against LD, the chance for him is very slim.

Poor Gade as he is stucked with playing his archnemesis, Lin Dan, again but in an earlier stage this time.

Yeah, I think Gade can beat Lin but he needs to be patience and not make so many unforced errors. Nevertheless, it is pretty hard for him to do so since he has lost his strength and stamina, plus Lin Dan has superb attack as well as defense and stamina as well.

Boy, the odds are stacked up against him, aren't they? But I really want him to beat Lin though.

By the way have you guys noticed how in the MS matches, with the exception of the Gade vs Lin game, they are all playing against their compatratiot? If Gade pulls through, then Denmark, Malaysia, China, and Korea will all have a representative in the MS semi-final stage.

virusvoodoo

11-03-2005, 04:37 PM

Its so unfortunate that WCH have to face LCW in the quarters. Would hope at least they have each other in the semis or finals.

i think the match to watch will be peter vs lindan

Agreed! Lin and Gade almost always put up a good fight against each other.

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EDIT: Can we keep this thread up as the results for the Quarter-finals? Thanks.

nellute

11-03-2005, 04:41 PM

Shuttlecock kin

11-03-2005, 04:43 PM

Its so unfortunate that WCH have to face LCW in the quarters. Would hope at least they have each other in the semis or finals.

i think the match to watch will be peter vs lindan

Both WCH or LCW is good enough to be in the finals in their own right but I still fancy WCH this time. Again Peter might win or push Lin very hard, Peter, like WCH, is a late end of the calendar good player. K Johansson is the reverse, he is not going downhill, he plays well during Jan. to may be Oct. after he put all those X'mas pudding, pies and Turkey inside his system. watch out for him at All-England in March.

Hey, your own Kennectic is good player too as a fact, not an Assumption. He once nearly beat Xia Xuan when the latter was still the world champion.

Shuttlecock kin

11-03-2005, 04:51 PM

Except for the first match, all are lousy draws. The players are playing their own compatriots.

My dear,

Its not lousy draw, its because these players happen to come from countries in which badminton is like football in Brazil, still I do agree with you on a spectator point of view, it would be goos if it is WCH Vs Cheng Hong, LCW Vs SS MO and Bao Vs Park. That would make life much more exciting and we all needn't have to say "why this draw is so like that or my Indian fren would say "apa ini machang !!"

BaddestHawaii

11-03-2005, 05:02 PM

MEN'S SINGLES

1. Lin Dan vs Peter Gade

2. Lee Chong Wei vs Wong Choong Hann

3. Chen Hong vs Bao Chunlai

4. Park Sung Hwan vs Shon Seung Mo

1. Lin Dan will probably win because Peter Gade doesn't seems to be in good shape.

2. Lee Chong Wei will most likely will win over WCH as we can see Lee is in top form as his skills been polish over and over by Li Mau in the past year. He was unlucky in world championship but I think he has higher chance to win the title comparing to Lin Dan. As we can see, his win over Lin in M'sian open this year was not by chance, he was controlling Lin to the point that Lin was unable to use his smash. :D

3. No diff. since both players is from China. Bao may be advantage in terms of age but I think Chen plays better than him overall this year when he beats Lin Dan in All England 2005.

4. Shon should have no problem beating Park.

Talking about Legendary players, I think NOBODY can compare to ZHAO JIAN HUA, (not even close, may be Yang Yang :) ). When he is in mood, he can beats any players in the badminton history < 5. He is amazingly good. Probably we won't see anybody like him in the next 100 years.
:rolleyes:

event

11-03-2005, 06:00 PM

The line up for men singles sucks big time! Look at 3 ouf of the 4 matches.. they are all own country's affair... wouldn't it be so much more exciting if they all get jumble up!! haha :D I blame it on the draw :pYes. IT's better to have it this way in the QF. If they were spread out, that's how you get only one country's players in the semi-finals. Everything would be like women's doubles where you always have 3 or 4 Chinese pairs in the last four with maybe the Koreans sneaking in when no one is looking. I know it sucks for Malaysia and Korea who only have 2 guys left and only one as of tomorrow but If Bao, Chen, and Lin were "jumbled up" you could end up with all 3 in the semis and that would make for a more boring SF and final.

Simp84

11-03-2005, 06:10 PM

Yes. IT's better to have it this way in the QF. If they were spread out, that's how you get only one country's players in the semi-finals. Everything would be like women's doubles where you always have 3 or 4 Chinese pairs in the last four with maybe the Koreans sneaking in when no one is looking. I know it sucks for Malaysia and Korea who only have 2 guys left and only one as of tomorrow but If Bao, Chen, and Lin were "jumbled up" you could end up with all 3 in the semis and that would make for a more boring SF and final.
True.. but I want both the malaysian to make it into semi finals though :crying:

hcyong

11-03-2005, 08:48 PM

MEN'S SINGLES
Lin Dan vs Peter Gade (it's good to have Peter Gade winning for a change)
Lee Chong Wei vs Wong Choong Hann
Chen Hong vs Bao Chunlai
Park Sung Hwan vs Shon Seung Mo
-- all (except for the last match) are tough matches and it could go either way

Matches between Lin and Gade are usually close. I have not seen Lin Dan for a while, but Gade seems to be waning as seen in the Denmark Open. So I go for Lin Dan, but I hope it's gonna be a close one again.

Wong CH may have beaten Taufik, but Lee CW is showing good form also. I will go for LCW on this one. A semi between Lee and Lin or Gade will be great.

It's hard to choose between Chen and Bao, but my gut feeling says Bao.

Shon should take this one.

All in all, the top half looks the more interesting (by miles) to me.

hcyong

11-03-2005, 09:14 PM

http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=10&ItemID=1883

Look at this article. Right at the bottom. At the quarter-final lineup. Obviously Raphael cut and pasted from your post, but forgot to take out the bold fonts. :D

Look especially at the similarity of the 'i' in Lee Chong Wei.

I hope nobody will accuse him of being biased or anything.

Predicted winners in bold

MEN'S SINGLES

Lin Dan vs Peter Gade (it's good to have Peter Gade winning for a change)
Lee Chong Wei vs Wong Choong Hann
Chen Hong vs Bao Chunlai
Park Sung Hwan vs Shon Seung Mo

-- all (except for the last match) are tough matches and it could go either way

WOMEN'S SINGLES

Zhang Ning vs Xu Huaiwen
Pi Hongyan vs Tracy Hallam
Zhu Lin vs Wang Chen
Yao Jie vs Xie Xingfang

MEN'S DOUBLES

Anthony Clark/Robert Blair vs Sudket Prapakamol/Patapol Ngernsrisuk
Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun vs Gan Teik Chai/Abdul Latif Mohd Zakry
Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto
Flandy Limpele/Eng Hian vs Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen (it's a pity Markis/Hendra lost in 3 sets after winning the first set)

WOMEN'S DOUBLES

Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen vs Wei Yili/Zhao Tingting
Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung vs Ella Tripp/Joanne Nicholas
Gail Emms/Donna Kellogg vs Jo Novita/Greysia Polii
(another good performance for the no 1 Indonesian pair and they have a good chance to reach the semi-final of a 6* tournament tomorrow)
Chien Yu-Chin/Cheng Wen-Hsing vs Gao Ling/Huang Sui

MIXED DOUBLES

Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms
Zhang Jun/Gao Ling vs Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg
Koo Kien Keat/Ooi Sock Oi vs Xie Zhongbo/Zhang Yawen
Anggun Nugroho/Yunita Tetty vs Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung
(rematch of Indonesia Open semi-final....much as I hope Anggun/Yunita to win, I still think Lee/Lee will win)

So, since all Indonesian pairs win tonight, I will make a trip to watch the quarter-final tomorrow night. Any other BC members currently in HK wanna watch together?

magical_phoenix

11-03-2005, 09:15 PM

same goes, and also lin dan over peter gade! for sure...
I agree BIG time with yannie :D :D

magical_phoenix

11-03-2005, 09:20 PM

jermaine

11-03-2005, 09:27 PM

i can tell you that the final would most probably be lin dan and leechongwei.

hcyong

11-03-2005, 09:29 PM

i can tell you that the final would most probably be lin dan and leechongwei.

I can tell you that it will definitely not be so. 100% sure.

Shuttlecock kin

11-03-2005, 09:29 PM

I agree BIG time with yannie :D :D

Wow, so confident lah, me not so sure about "Lin Dan will beat Peter Gade for sure". Yes it is true that Lin D has the speed , power and Peter's style of play suits Lin D. Peter would wear you down with his "almost never making any unforced errors, but Lin will drive you crazy. Still my prediction holds, Peter or WCH will beat Lin this time .:cool: :p

**KZ**

11-03-2005, 09:30 PM

I can tell you that it will definitely not be so. 100% sure.

they are in same half
impossible to happen

**KZ**

11-03-2005, 09:31 PM

when are the matches going to start?

ying ying

11-03-2005, 11:49 PM

I don't think Gade will win.. He hasn't been in good form in these past few months.. Kenneth has also lost his fire i think..:confused: But all the best to Malaysian players though..

rollerbuzz

11-04-2005, 12:30 AM

what time are the quarter-final matches starting? :confused:

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 12:38 AM

what time are the quarter-final matches starting? :confused:

already started at 2.30pm m'sian time.
same as HK time.

kemana

11-04-2005, 01:13 AM

already started at 2.30pm m'sian time.
same as HK time.
guess should be over now , any results?

striker

11-04-2005, 02:38 AM

guess should be over now , any results?

results should be in anytimes now. MS only started at 3.30pm.

striker

11-04-2005, 02:43 AM

results should be in anytimes now. MS only started at 3.30pm.

LCW beat WCH 15-4, 15-1
Lin dan and P.gade in rubber set now.

kemana

11-04-2005, 02:45 AM

LCW beat WCH 15-4, 15-1
Lin dan and P.gade in rubber set now.
wah, seems an easy game for lcw...
LD and PG still playing ? gade must be very tired

tutu_h

11-04-2005, 02:47 AM

wah, seems an easy game for lcw...
LD and PG still playing ? gade must be very tired

btw, what is the score bt. LD and PG up to now? 1st, 2nd or 3rd set?

khwong

11-04-2005, 02:48 AM

LCW beat WCH 15-4, 15-1
Lin dan and P.gade in rubber set now.
looks like wch ran out of steam! cheers to lcw!:)
any other results?

streamyx

11-04-2005, 02:54 AM

LCW boleh..boleh!!! tat is what my prediction was before d play of HK Open. Semi-final match between LCW Vs Lin Dan. Seems like LIN had to work extra hard to make this match possible....

tutu_h

11-04-2005, 02:59 AM

LCW boleh..boleh!!! tat is what my prediction was before d play of HK Open. Semi-final match between LCW Vs Lin Dan. Seems like LIN had to work extra hard to make this match possible....

judging from the head-to-head record:

LCW :Gade ==> 2:0
LCW :LD ==> 1:1

I wish Gade will win against LD.

striker

11-04-2005, 03:01 AM

judging from the head-to-head record:

LCW :Gade ==> 2:0
LCW :LD ==> 1:1

I wish Gade will win against LD.

yup, LCW prefer to play gade but he is not afraid of LD now.

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 03:17 AM

anyone watching the game?

please update the score please!!

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 03:21 AM

the official site is updating their scores VEEEEEE.....RYYYY slowly

Mag

11-04-2005, 03:21 AM

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 03:23 AM

yo striker !

you at HK watching the game?
if not....how do you get the score?

striker

11-04-2005, 03:28 AM

yo striker !

you at HK watching the game?
if not....how do you get the score?

i am not watching, some one called me.

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 03:31 AM

i am not watching, some one called me.

sorry to mafan you....
but do u have any idea who won the peter vs lin dan match?

striker

11-04-2005, 03:35 AM

sorry to mafan you....
but do u have any idea who won the peter vs lin dan match?

P.gade lost. LCW vs Lin Dan tmrw

11-04-2005, 03:38 AM

17/16 13/15 15/12 to Lin Dan!!

Gade had 4 setpoints in the first set. Very close!!

Jonas

alloh

11-04-2005, 03:38 AM

Sad ... Peter Gade lost :crying:

alloh

11-04-2005, 03:41 AM

I think tomorrow LCW have a great opportunity to win over LD.
Dare to bet? :D

Lee Choong Wei Boleh ~!

streamyx

11-04-2005, 03:45 AM

I would said so.. as i have faith in LCW.. Btw, can someone pls list down the full schedule for 2 morow semi-final matches.. I will not miss d LIVE on Astro to support LCW !!!

I think tomorrow LCW have a great opportunity to win over LD.
Dare to bet? :D

Lee Choong Wei Boleh ~!

striker

11-04-2005, 03:46 AM

I think tomorrow LCW have a great opportunity to win over LD.
Dare to bet? :D

Lee Choong Wei Boleh ~!

LCW say he will try his very best.

Mag

11-04-2005, 03:48 AM

17/16 13/15 15/12 to Lin Dan!!

Gade had 4 setpoints in the first set. Very close!!

Jonas

Close indeed! But Peter bites the dust again... *sigh*
Lin Dan is one tough opponent, for sure, but it seems that Gade is closing the gap for every time they meet now... And it can't get much close than this!

Lin Dan's bound to be pretty tired after this. Lee Choong Wei might well run him over again...

Thanks for the update Jonas. I was literally sitting here biting my nails in frustration from the lack of information!

seven

11-04-2005, 03:48 AM

17/16 13/15 15/12 to Lin Dan!!

Gade had 4 setpoints in the first set. Very close!!

Jonas

Wow :eek: close match but yet another defeat for Peter Gade... he's getting closer and closer each time though! :)

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 03:49 AM

go indo! go lin dan! :D

Go Indonesia!
Go Nova/Lilyana, Go Anngun/Yunita,
Go Poly/Jo
Go Luluk/Alven, Go Flandy/Eng Hiang
Go Badminton Indonesia!!!..:D

Johansen

11-04-2005, 03:50 AM

17/16 13/15 15/12 to Lin Dan!!

Gade had 4 setpoints in the first set. Very close!!

Jonas

To bad and so close.
What about your eye Jonas ? Are you ready for next week?

Johansen
www.badminton-nyt.dk (http://www.badminton-nyt.dk/)

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 03:54 AM

hope you will recover well Jonas

khwong

11-04-2005, 03:54 AM

17/16 13/15 15/12 to Lin Dan!!

Gade had 4 setpoints in the first set. Very close!!

Jonas
this game is even more intense and close compared to kenneth's yesterday!

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 03:57 AM

hope LCW will win in semis.

who u guys think will enter final for MS?
i think is LCW vs Bao
then he will have better chance at winning the championship.:D

striker

11-04-2005, 04:08 AM

hope LCW will win in semis.

who u guys think will enter final for MS?
i think is LCW vs Bao
then he will have better chance at winning the championship.:D

lets cheers for LCW tmrw. hope that he can make it again.:)

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 04:17 AM

lets cheers for LCW tmrw. hope that he can make it again.:)

I don't think so..Lin Dan is much better..
Go Lin Dan!!!...
(when Lin Dan win, that means no Malay player left in Hongkong Open, isn't..)
Big chance for China...:D

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 04:19 AM

I don't think so..Lin Dan is much better..
Go Lin Dan!!!...
(when Lin Dan win, that means no Malay player left in Hongkong Open, isn't..)
Big chance for China...:D

LCW vs Lin Dan
1 : 1

the time when LCW lost to Lin Dan oso rubber game.
so............i believe its 50:50 lah
anyone agree?:D

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 04:20 AM

hope LCW will win in semis.

who u guys think will enter final for MS?
i think is LCW vs Bao
then he will have better chance at winning the championship.:D

Nope..i disagree with you..it must be Lin Dan vs Bao
Go China!!!!...

striker

11-04-2005, 04:21 AM

I don't think so..Lin Dan is much better..
Go Lin Dan!!!...
(when Lin Dan win, that means no Malay player left in Hongkong Open, isn't..)
Big chance for China...:D

wake up! LCW is not malay. He is Malaysian Chinese. Anyway, whoever make it to the final is definately not Indonesian.
:D

yuval_ba

11-04-2005, 04:22 AM

LCW vs Lin Dan
1 : 1
the time when LCW lost to Lin Dan oso rubber game.
so............i believe its 50:50 lah
anyone agree?:D
I agree.
If I had to bet tough, I would pick LCW

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 04:25 AM

Nope..i disagree with you..it must be Lin Dan vs Bao
Go China!!!!...

i think its always boring to watch players of the same country in final
even tat day i watch denmark open final M'sia vs M'sia i also wanna sleep

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 04:28 AM

wake up! LCW is not malay. He is Malaysian Chinese. Anyway, whoever make it to the final is definately not Indonesian.
:D+

Not in mens singles..but that will happen in mens doubles and mixed dobles!!
WITHOUT any malaysian palyer!!!!
anyone agree?...
Go Badminton Indonesia!!!:cool:

xijiayu

11-04-2005, 04:29 AM

LCW vs Lin Dan
1 : 1

the time when LCW lost to Lin Dan oso rubber game.
so............i believe its 50:50 lah
anyone agree?:D

The last two encounters between LCW & LD were all in Malaysia and this is the first encounter outside Malaysia. Time for LCW to prove that he can do as good as he was in Malaysia. This match is really crucial for him to prove his ability.

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 04:30 AM

wake up! LCW is not malay. He is Malaysian Chinese. Anyway, whoever make it to the final is definately not Indonesian.
:D

i didn't really care about that!!..
i have a higly nationalism spirit...
I'm not really like an 'import' player..
So..Lin Dan is much better!!
Go Lin Dan!!

seven

11-04-2005, 04:31 AM

+

Not in mens singles..but that will happen in mens doubles and mixed dobles!!
WITHOUT any malaysian palyer!!!!
anyone agree?...
Go Badminton Indonesia!!!:cool:

I think the discussion is getting very childish... :rolleyes:

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 04:33 AM

The last two encounters between LCW & LD were all in Malaysia and this is the first encounter outside Malaysia. Time for LCW to prove that he can do as good as he was in Malaysia. This match is really crucial for him to prove his ability.

I agree with you..so..Lin Dan has get more chance b'cause it is not in Malaysia anymore..so Go Lin Dan!!

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 04:35 AM

I think the discussion is getting very childish... :rolleyes:

Sorry Steve, i just try to support my player...
i'm sorry, ok bro!!

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 04:37 AM

+

Not in mens singles..but that will happen in mens doubles and mixed dobles!!
WITHOUT any malaysian palyer!!!!
anyone agree?...
Go Badminton Indonesia!!!:cool:

mix doubles maybe...but mens...not so sure

matt_att

11-04-2005, 04:40 AM

i didn't really care about that!!..
i have a higly nationalism spirit...
I'm not really like an 'import' player..
So..Lin Dan is much better!!
Go Lin Dan!!

LCW is not "import" player ..................

wl2172

11-04-2005, 04:41 AM

ffc2002, stop pissing everyone off. This is a friendly forum, please no childish discussions.

Granted, Indonesia is one of the top badminton nations in the world, we know that!!! Also, what is wrong with "import" players. Singapore and Malaysia are providing jobs for people around South East Asia, and a stable environment to live, is that wrong? People have a right to go where they want, and choose to play for whichever nation they want if they feel that their home country cannot provide for them.

LCW is Malaysian, he is not an import player. It is shocking that as a badminton fan, you only know ppl from indon.

magical_phoenix

11-04-2005, 04:46 AM

Any news from MD, XD and WD?? Without the proper live score, this world just seems SOO HUGE even with all the internet connections... :( :(

So glad Lin Dan won though... Hehehe.

SmartCivet

11-04-2005, 04:51 AM

ZHANG Ning beat XU huaiwen 11/8 11/3

PI hongyan beat HALLAM 11/3 1/11 11/8

rollerbuzz

11-04-2005, 04:51 AM

I don't think so..Lin Dan is much better..
Go Lin Dan!!!...
(when Lin Dan win, that means no Malay player left in Hongkong Open, isn't..)
Big chance for China...:D

LIN DAN!! HAHAHA GO LIN DAN! 林丹!:p

alloh

11-04-2005, 04:53 AM

i didn't really care about that!!..
i have a higly nationalism spirit...
I'm not really like an 'import' player..
So..Lin Dan is much better!!
Go Lin Dan!!

I think ffc2002 must be misunderstood that "Malaysian-chinese" here. LCW not an import player, he is Malaysian and race chinese. In Malay word, Rakyat Malaysia bangsa Cina. Now do you understand?
LCW is from the same kampung (village) with me, Berapit - Bukit Mertajam, Pulau Pinang. :p And another MD player Chew Choon Eng also from Bukit Mertajam, Pulau Pinang.

Also, I totally agreed that Taufik is a very good player in the world but not undefeated. He lost to Wong Choong Hann 6 times totally. But Taufik only won over WCH 3 times.
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/player_head.asp?firstname2=Choong+Hann&lastname2=WONG&firstname1=Taufik&lastname1=HIDAYAT

felicialim

11-04-2005, 04:54 AM

From the post i read in a few forums, i think that ffc from indonesia dislikes all malaysian players. Of course we dont have any super mix doubles but for men double, will you be sure that there wont be any malaysian representative in semi-final or final if Lee Wan Wah-Choong Tan Fook took part in this tournament? Maybe they have never won world championship and all england, but they are among the most consistent doubles during these few years, entering at least quarter-final, semi-final and final in some tournaments, although they have alwiz been in and out from badminton due to injuries.They have superb skill and speed too and even Park Joo Bong has acknowledged about it before.Their head-to-head score against Ha-Kim is 5-5! AND they have alwiz won against Indonesia doubles.

Lee Chong Wei is not an imported player. He is MALAYSIAN!!

Please respect each other.Thanks

seven

11-04-2005, 05:07 AM

Clark/Blair beat Prapakamol/Ngernsrisuk 15-5 15-13
Cai/Fu beat Gan/Abdul Latif 15-3 15-6

ying ying

11-04-2005, 05:11 AM

Haiz.. M'sian MD has fallen already.. :crying: Maybe a bad day for them.. Well.. hope Lee Chong Wei can win the title..:o

hcyong

11-04-2005, 05:13 AM

Clark/Blair beat Prapakamol/Ngernsrisuk 15-5 15-13
Cai/Fu beat Gan/Abdul Latif 15-3 15-6

This English pair is shocking everyone, and it's not even Robertson playing. Gan/Latif lost too tamely.

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 05:20 AM

This English pair is shocking everyone, and it's not even Robertson playing. Gan/Latif lost too tamely.

yea
they lost too tamely
i always thought they can upset some top pairs
well...maybe in the future
they are still young

alloh

11-04-2005, 05:21 AM

I think Cai & Fu could win the MD title.
They are in the "half" home town.
:p Hong Kong belongs to China right? So consider "half" lah.

kemana

11-04-2005, 05:22 AM

any news about the result of other half of ms?

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 06:17 AM

Yang/Zhang bt Wei/Zhao 15-1 15-4

Lee/Lee bt Trip/Nicholas 15-12 15-3
Robertson/Emms bt Nova/Natsir 15-13 15-13
Zhang/Gao bt Clark/Kellogg 15-7 15-2

tutu_h

11-04-2005, 06:22 AM

i didn't really care about that!!..
i have a higly nationalism spirit...
I'm not really like an 'import' player..
So..Lin Dan is much better!!
Go Lin Dan!!

I don't care either!!...
I know u have high Nationalism spirit......so do we (therefore, please respect the others).
FYI Lee Chong Wei is not an "import" player.. he is 100% Malaysian (oh yah, b4 i forgotten, please also check in your dictionary the difference bt. Malaysian and Malay......).

*PS: ur hope for Indon XD had faded, maybe they're just less motivated.

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 06:22 AM

seems like the discussion became a bit childish~

well,chong wei is Malaysian,i think he is.he got My card(Malaysian Identification card),and his parents are malaysian.i have no point why he will become import player.at this point,i don't think malaysia need to import players from indonesia neither china,oh yeah~perhaps they will need the coaches and sparring partner

eveb the website is better than few days ago,but still consider very slow.now only have the result for the top half.:(

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:22 AM

mix doubles maybe...but mens...not so sure

oh yeah?..we will see..
i'm really sure..well if not indo
it will be china..( i hope..)
Go Lin Dan!!..:D

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 06:23 AM

I don't care either!!...
I know u have high Nationalism spirit......so do we (therefore, please respect the others).
FYI Lee Chong Wei is not an "import" player.. he is 100% Malaysian (oh yah, b4 i forgotten, please also check in your dictionary the difference bt. Malaysian and Malay......).

*PS: you hope for Indon XD had faded, maybe they r just less motivated.

tutu...
the guy already apologised for his actions

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:24 AM

LCW is not "import" player ..................

sorry..i've been knew it from Steven..( i think Steven know e'thing)
sorry..don't blame me..

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 06:27 AM

yea
they lost too tamely
i always thought they can upset some top pairs
well...maybe in the future
they are still young
actually they have played for many years,in fact i also not sure how old are them..haha~especially gan looks very baby face~

but i still remember the first round game between indo luluk/alven with them,even though the indo pair won at last,but their energy seems like gone just after the game,especially luluk,even you ask him to stand up and go for a seat,he seems like no energy to pull himself up at all.

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 06:29 AM

actually they have played for many years,in fact i also not sure how old are them..haha~especially gan looks very baby face~

but i still remember the first round game between indo luluk/alven with them,even though the indo pair won at last,but their energy seems like gone just after the game,especially luluk,even you ask him to stand up and go for a seat,he seems like no energy to pull himself up at all.

u watched tat game ah?
they are like 21 or 22
still have time to improve

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:29 AM

tutu...
the guy already apologised for his actions

yeah..she/he right!..
thx!..
but we still have anggun/yunita, isn't? how about them?..
Luluk/Alven?Flandy/Eng Hiang?..
You guys..always talk about MS..ok, lets talk about MD and XD!...

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 06:32 AM

yeah..she/he right!..
thx!..
but we still have anggun/yunita, isn't? how about them?..
Luluk/Alven?Flandy/Eng Hiang?..
You guys..always talk about MS..ok, lets talk about MD and XD!...

i'm a he:D
lets forget bout the argument and discuss about the tournament

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 06:32 AM

u watched tat game ah?
actually i just sat nearby them that time;)
that was the time i think they are cute~haha~

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:33 AM

u watched tat game ah?
they are like 21 or 22
still have time to improve

both of them are 21..
but i'm not sure that they can make it right Candra/Sigit..
Markis/Hendra more better, don't you think so?..:rolleyes:

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:37 AM

LIN DAN!! HAHAHA GO LIN DAN! 林丹!:p

Thx for support Lin Dan!...yee!!...
Ok, lets change the topic into MD and XD..:D

coops241180

11-04-2005, 06:39 AM

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:43 AM

I think ffc2002 must be misunderstood that "Malaysian-chinese" here. LCW not an import player, he is Malaysian and race chinese. In Malay word, Rakyat Malaysia bangsa Cina. Now do you understand?
LCW is from the same kampung (village) with me, Berapit - Bukit Mertajam, Pulau Pinang. :p And another MD player Chew Choon Eng also from Bukit Mertajam, Pulau Pinang.

Also, I totally agreed that Taufik is a very good player in the world but not undefeated. He lost to Wong Choong Hann 6 times totally. But Taufik only won over WCH 3 times.
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/player_head.asp?firstname2=Choong+Hann&lastname2=WONG&firstname1=Taufik&lastname1=HIDAYAT

hey..don't blame me..
i think Steven know e'thing..
he told me about that...:confused:

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:49 AM

Not sure so fast dear..
i'm not dislike ALL malaysian player..i like Ong Ewe Hock, Tan Fook/Wan Wah, and Wong M C..
They are malay isn't?..
what i dislike was that all of you just talking about LCW..
ANd as Lin Dan Fans!! i will never agreed with you..
(b'cause..i think Lin Dan is much better..just that..sorry if i was wrong..)

Ok..lets talk about MD and XD..:rolleyes:

From the post i read in a few forums, i think that ffc from indonesia dislikes all malaysian players. Of course we dont have any super mix doubles but for men double, will you be sure that there wont be any malaysian representative in semi-final or final if Lee Wan Wah-Choong Tan Fook took part in this tournament? Maybe they have never won world championship and all england, but they are among the most consistent doubles during these few years, entering at least quarter-final, semi-final and final in some tournaments, although they have alwiz been in and out from badminton due to injuries.They have superb skill and speed too and even Park Joo Bong has acknowledged about it before.Their head-to-head score against Ha-Kim is 5-5! AND they have alwiz won against Indonesia doubles.

Lee Chong Wei is not an imported player. He is MALAYSIAN!!

Please respect each other.Thanks

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:52 AM

Maybe both of them take 50:50
but..i bet zhang/gao
Go China!!...
how about you?..

hehe - just to put a pigeon amongst the cats..

nice to see tracey putting up a fight.. not sure how pi lost a game to 1 against her but took the two games.. strange..

clark / blair.. very underated pair.. clark has been around as long as robertson, but blair is new, and clearly benefiting from having spent some time with nathan and simon archer, clarky is a superb men's player and blair and him make a great power packed pair.. also the combination of a lefty and a righty seems to be working too.

nathan and gail seem to be back on form.. get them back at no. 1 the question is can they beat zhang / gao when they meet them????

Coops

alloh

11-04-2005, 06:56 AM

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 06:56 AM

Maybe both of them take 50:50
but..i bet zhang/gao
Go China!!...
how about you?..

i will bet nathan/gail if they are on form which they are clearly showing,
because they won the last few meetings between them.

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 06:57 AM

Not a player, but maybe a coaches
well, how about Rexy Mainanky huh?..he works for malaysia?..
if i'm not wrong, he's from indo..:D

seems like the discussion became a bit childish~

well,chong wei is Malaysian,i think he is.he got My card(Malaysian Identification card),and his parents are malaysian.i have no point why he will become import player.at this point,i don't think malaysia need to import players from indonesia neither china,oh yeah~perhaps they will need the coaches and sparring partner

eveb the website is better than few days ago,but still consider very slow.now only have the result for the top half.:(

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 07:00 AM

hcyong

11-04-2005, 07:00 AM

hehe - just to put a pigeon amongst the cats..

nice to see tracey putting up a fight.. not sure how pi lost a game to 1 against her but took the two games.. strange..

clark / blair.. very underated pair.. clark has been around as long as robertson, but blair is new, and clearly benefiting from having spent some time with nathan and simon archer, clarky is a superb men's player and blair and him make a great power packed pair.. also the combination of a lefty and a righty seems to be working too.

nathan and gail seem to be back on form.. get them back at no. 1 the question is can they beat zhang / gao when they meet them????

Coops

It's good to see Robertson/Emms coming back to form. The XD event is really interesting now. There are quite a number of pairs who can beat one another. Nowadays it's even more unpredictable than MS.

Tracey Hallam has shown promise even before this, but she has not really broken through yet. When judging players, I tend to compare then with Wong MC, and my feeling is that she is slightly behind Wong MC. Maybe she should give up doubles to concentrate on singles.

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 07:00 AM

Not a player, but maybe a coaches
well, how about Rexy Mainanky huh?..he works for malaysia?..
if i'm not wrong, he's from indo..:D

coach is nvm
but better not player
but if the player wants to go there him/herself is different
if the country give the player moneyfor him/her to come to the country and play for them......i totally disagree
but is their decision

tutu_h

11-04-2005, 07:01 AM

Not sure so fast dear..
i'm not dislike ALL malaysian player..i like Ong Ewe Hock, Tan Fook/Wan Wah, and Wong M C..
They are malay isn't?..
........

again, all of the players you mentioned above r 100% malaysian.
m'sia citizen but chinese race. warganegara malaysia bangsa cina. 马来西亚华侨， chineschich aus Malaysia.

Malay is a race ...... originally from Padang of indonesia (correct me if i'm wrong)
Malaysian is citizen of malaysia.
we have 3 major races in malaysia.....Malay, Chinese and Indian.
clear now?

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:02 AM

alloh

11-04-2005, 07:04 AM

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 07:04 AM

Not a player, but maybe a coaches
well, how about Rexy Mainanky huh?..he works for malaysia?..
if i'm not wrong, he's from indo..:D
well, i don't know where the problems come from,maybe you are different channel with me,that's why you can't understand my word,or maybe you didn't wear spec and can't see my post clearly.

what i said is

i don't think malaysia need to import players from indonesia neither china

and

oh yeah~perhaps they will need the coaches and sparring partner
i have been highlight my sentences,will this make you clear?

pls read twice and understand what i'm talking about.

of coz i sure sir rexy is from indo and he is hired by BAM as high performance doubles coach,and i have to say that he is a very nice man.gentle,soft spoken and respect to others.

alloh

11-04-2005, 07:05 AM

but i think Candra is origin from Indo..it's not Indonesia-Chinese name..:rolleyes:

Yes, Candra Wijaya is Indonesian but race Chinese.
Warganegara Indonesia bangsa cina ya?

seven

11-04-2005, 07:05 AM

but i think Candra is origin from Indo..it's not Indonesia-Chinese name..:rolleyes:

Candra is a "Chinese-Indonesian" but uses his indonesian name.

This is what alloh was explaining :
in Malaysia, "Chinese-Malaysians" use chinese name
in Indonesia, "Chinese-Indonesians" use indonesian name

clear now??

hcyong

11-04-2005, 07:05 AM

All the Malaysian players you mentioned above are "Chinese" not Malay. In Malaysia, all the malay guys have the muslim name such as Muhd Hafiz Bin Hashim. And Malaysian-Chinese (Rakyat Malaysia bangsa cina) they have the chinese name. This is the different between Indonesian-Chinese which don't have their chinese name. For example: Candra Wijaya. ;)
Now understand?

It is not easy for most people (other than Malaysians) to seperate nationality from race. If you say you are Chinese to any random person in the world, he would tend to think you are from China. Also, the difference between Malay (race) and Malaysian (nationality) is alien to most people. For instance, Hong Kong people will call you "Malai yan" (in Cantonese) rather than "Ma loi sai nga yan".

Secondly, most Indonesians know by the surname "Wijaya" that he is a Chinese descendant.

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:07 AM

yea..that's mean i like malay player..got it?..
i don't really know that LCW origin from Malay (again..i knew it from Steven..)
and Padang is not race...it's kind of province (same like Sabah, Serawak, etc)
Minang is a race..clear know?..

again, all of the players you mentioned above r 100% malaysian.
m'sia citizen but chinese race. warganegara malaysia bangsa cina. 马来西亚华侨， chineschich aus Malaysia.

Malay is a race ...... originally from Padang of indonesia (correct me if i'm wrong)
Malaysian is citizen of malaysia.
we have 3 major races in malaysia.....Malay, Chinese and Indian.
clear now?

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 07:08 AM

It is not easy for most people (other than Malaysians) to seperate nationality from race. If you say you are Chinese to any random person in the world, he would tend to think you are from China. Also, the difference between Malay (race) and Malaysian (nationality) is alien to most people. For instance, Hong Kong people will call you "Malai yan" (in Cantonese) rather than "Ma loi sai nga yan".

Secondly, most Indonesians know by the surname "Wijaya" that he is a Chinese descendant.
if my hong kong friends dare to call me"malai yan",i'll "sat"(in cantonese) them eat "malai go":mad:

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 07:09 AM

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 07:11 AM

u guys can give him a better explanation?
LCW is not m'sian -malay
he is m'sian -chinese
i think he still havn't found out the differences between two vocabulary"malay" and "malaysian"
seems like rojak,all have been mixed up

tutu_h

11-04-2005, 07:11 AM

but i think Candra is origin from Indo..it's not Indonesia-Chinese name..:rolleyes:

candra's chinese name is chen jia liang (陈甲亮 )

just like

hendrawan (叶成万）
tony gunawan (吴俊明）
？？？ hian (陈永贤）
susi susanti (黄莲香）
and many mores.....

there r all Chinese indonesian just like chinese malaysian. citizen of Indon/M'sia and chinese race.

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:12 AM

i don't think so..let's say Angelique Wijaya (our tennis player..)
she never get descendant from Chinese..
how you explain that?..

Candra is a "Chinese-Indonesian" but uses his indonesian name.

This is what alloh was explaining :
in Malaysia, "Chinese-Malaysians" use chinese name
in Indonesia, "Chinese-Indonesians" use indonesian name

clear now??

alloh

11-04-2005, 07:13 AM

:mad: Let's stop this topic about the races and nationalities. Maybe some people really can't understand that.
Let's update the score ...........

hcyong

11-04-2005, 07:18 AM

yea..that's mean i like malay player..got it?..
i don't really know that LCW origin from Malay (again..i knew it from Steven..)
and Padang is not race...it's kind of province (same like Sabah, Serawak, etc)
Minang is a race..clear know?..

Malaysia don't have any import players. Who would want to play for Malaysia (besides Malaysians)? The best we can do is to hire foreign coaches to coach the Malaysians.

The term "Malay" is quite broad. There are Malays who originate from Sumatra, Jawa, Sulawesi etc. and from Malaysia itself. It's like saying you're "Chinese" but China is so big. Incidentally, the Malay language (and official Indonesian language) originates from the Riau islands (just south of Singapore).

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:19 AM

sorry..but i can't see the chinese letter...
well..let's just say that have difference culture between malay and indo
(include about 'name')...
wijaya or candra..or both of that?which one the chinese name..
well..lets talk about the result...

candra's chinese name is chen jia liang (陈甲亮 )

just like

hendrawan (叶成万）
tony gunawan (吴俊明）
？？？ hian (陈永贤）
susi susanti (黄莲香）
and many mores.....

there r all Chinese indonesian just like chinese malaysian. citizen of Indon/M'sia and chinese race.

tutu_h

11-04-2005, 07:21 AM

yea..that's mean i like malay player..got it?..
i don't really know that LCW origin from Malay (again..i knew it from Steven..)
and Padang is not race...it's kind of province (same like Sabah, Serawak, etc)
Minang is a race..clear know?..

i think u have language problem. that was what i tried to explain to u. ppl(mainly malay) from Padang (your province) came to malaysia (was called malaya at that time) and settled down in malaysia. these ppl were mainly malay in race. ok? clear now?

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:24 AM

u guys can give him a better explanation?
LCW is not m'sian -malay
he is m'sian -chinese

i knew about that..
he's 100% malay but malay-chinese
he doesn't have muslim name...like hafiz,etc
i got it..
but i'm not really sure about wijaja or chandra, hendrawan are indo-chinese
it's just like the other name of indo-origin people...
thx for your explanation..

weeyet

11-04-2005, 07:25 AM

ffc, let's make this in a nutshell

Susi Susanti, Alan Budi Kusuma, Chandra Wijaya, Eng Hian are all orang cina, their etnic is Cina (Chinese), they are not from China, maybe their grandparents are from China. They are born and raised up in Indonesia. They learn Indonesian language, their lifestyle is Indonesian, all about Indonesia.

But after the former Indonesian President Suharto wants only one Indonesian identity in Indonesia, all orang cina (chinese etnic ppl in indonesia) have to change their names to indonesian names.

That's why Wang Lianxiang became Susi Susanti, Wei Renfang became Alan Budi Kusuma, Chen Jialiang became Chandra Wijaya, Liang Hailiang became Rudy Hartono. I don't know whether you know this fact, even though you're a Indonesian.

But the Malaysian government didn't impose such law, the orang cina still can keep their chinese names. Lee Chong Wei is born and raised up in Malaysia, his grandfather is from China, not him, so do Wong Choong Hann, Lee Wan Wah, Yap Kim Hock, etc. All of them studied in Malaysian schools, eat Malaysian food, drink Malaysian water, trained under Malaysian system, participated in Malaysian Under-18 Badminton Competition.

Although they are orang Cina, but they are Malaysian, not China people, they are Chinese-ETNIC Malaysia. I doubt your general knowledge. Nowadays, chinese-etnic people are spread all over the world.

It's just like, you can't say Thierry Henry is an African, he is a French, OK?

Or, when Pi Hongyan is married to a chinese-etnic french, they lived in France and their grandson became a world champion, would you say that her grandson is a French or Chinese?

Are you clear now, ffc?

seven

11-04-2005, 07:27 AM

ffc2002, I suggest you read more carefully the other posts, you would understand better.

To answer your last post (though you could find the answer by just re-reading properly previous posts) :

Candra Wijaya and Chen Jia Liang are the same person.

Candra Wijaya is his indonesian name.
Chen Jia Liang is his chinese name.

As said before, in Indonesia Chinese-Indonesians use their indonesian name, this is why he uses Candra Wijaya as his name.

In Malaysia, it would have been the opposite.

..................
I can't dare ask if things are clear now!... :rolleyes:

other

11-04-2005, 07:28 AM

wijaya or candra..or both of that?which one the chinese name..
well..lets talk about the result...

neither one is his "chinese" name.....they are both normal indonesian names. That is what other people have been saying, that the indo-chinese use indonesian names.

therefore both candra and wijaya are not chinese names

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 07:28 AM

i'm bleeding now.fainted~

chong wei is 100% malay,i think if he saw this ,he will also pengsan

tutu_h

11-04-2005, 07:28 AM

sorry..but i can't see the chinese letter...
well..let's just say that have difference culture between malay and indo
(include about 'name')...
wijaya or candra..or both of that?which one the chinese name..
well..lets talk about the result...

chen jia liang = candra wijaya
ye cheng wan = hendrawan
huang lian xiang = susi susanti
wu jun ming = tony gunawan
and etc....

they don't use their chinese name in indonesia bcoz of your government that prohibits them from using. but everyone outside of the "tempurung" knows it. unlike in malaysia, we have the right to use our chinese name. clear now?

kinkikids

11-04-2005, 07:31 AM

normally i come here just to view results, but because i saw this fellow: ffc2002's reply, i think some clarification have to be made here, for our beloved buddy...

First of all, Malay is Malay, Chinese is Chinese. Dun simply mix this 2 together.

Secondly, Citizens from Malaysia are not ALL Malay. Malay is a biggest race in Malaysia. But the country doesnt belongs to them, alone!

Chinese in "Malaysia" is just like other chinese in "Singapore","Hong Kong","Taiwan" and "China", not to forget "Indonesia". There's nearly no difference betwen all these, accept some slangs and mother tongue. Besides Banana(ppl tat dunno mandarin), All Chinese knows how to speak at least cantonise/mandarin.

Now, is about naming. Chinese in Malaysia, they are all allowed to use chinese name, eg: wong ah kau. While in Indonesia, because of their country's policy, mejority of them uses Indonesia name. So those Wijaya, Sosanto, Gunawan and so, appear. But some they are sticked to their chinese name, eg: Lim Swee Ching(famous player during 80's).

get it? Please dun make the same mistakes again. I hate when my race being misunderstood as Malay! i believe other malaysia-chinese also!

hcyong

11-04-2005, 07:35 AM

if ffc does not understand by now, i doubt we can do more ...

to more important matters, where are the rest of the results?

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:36 AM

orang cina?..what is the difference between orang cina, chinese and chinese-indo?..
the fact that all of them have a chinese name..i got it..
but..the fact that noun :"susi susanti,alan budikusuma, candra wijaya"
are came from China dictionary i didn't knew it..
the fact : Wang Lianxiang, wei renfang, etc came from China dictionary..i knew it..
that's why i'm so suprised that noun:susi susanti, alan budikusuma, candra wijaya are from china words..
thx for explanation

ffc, let's make this in a nutshell

Susi Susanti, Alan Budi Kusuma, Chandra Wijaya, Eng Hian are all orang cina, their etnic is Cina (Chinese), they are not from China, maybe their grandparents are from China. They are born and raised up in Indonesia. They learn Indonesian language, their lifestyle is Indonesian, all about Indonesia.

But after the former Indonesian President Suharto wants only one Indonesian identity in Indonesia, all orang cina (chinese etnic ppl in indonesia) have to change their names to indonesian names.

That's why Wang Lianxiang became Susi Susanti, Wei Renfang became Alan Budi Kusuma, Chen Jialiang became Chandra Wijaya, Liang Hailiang became Rudy Hartono. I don't know whether you know this fact, even though you're a Indonesian.

But the Malaysian government didn't impose such law, the orang cina still can keep their chinese names. Lee Chong Wei is born and raised up in Malaysia, his grandfather is from China, not him, so do Wong Choong Hann, Lee Wan Wah, Yap Kim Hock, etc. All of them studied in Malaysian schools, eat Malaysian food, drink Malaysian water, trained under Malaysian system, participated in Malaysian Under-18 Badminton Competition.

Although they are orang Cina, but they are Malaysian, not China people, they are Chinese-ETNIC Malaysia. I doubt your general knowledge. Nowadays, chinese-etnic people are spread all over the world.

It's just like, you can't say Thierry Henry is an African, he is a French, OK?

Are you clear now, ffc?

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:40 AM

not pengsan but pingsan
ha..ha..becareful with melayu words (if you didn't get it, ok..)

i'm bleeding now.fainted~

chong wei is 100% malay,i think if he saw this ,he will also pengsan

matt_att

11-04-2005, 07:41 AM

coops241180

11-04-2005, 07:43 AM

Tracey Hallam has shown promise even before this, but she has not really broken through yet. When judging players, I tend to compare then with Wong MC, and my feeling is that she is slightly behind Wong MC. Maybe she should give up doubles to concentrate on singles.

odd you should say that.. she only took up WD recently.. i think she's feeling her age a bit.. fairly sure she's older than Nathan Robertson, she might even be 30.. i think. it may be more likely that she'd give up singles since she has young successor in elisabeth cann on the way, also after that england has two youngsters that should come on the scene in a couple of years. so tracey maybe looking at WD as a way of extending her career, adn her and nat munt seem to do okay...

interesting interesting..

Coops

ksooi

11-04-2005, 07:43 AM

I think ffc2002 needs to really understand the difference between nationality and race......

He can support Lin Dan all he wants but I don't think he needs to put down players from other countries mainly LCW.....FYI ffc2002, most of the great badminton players from Indonesia' origin is China...

Whether Lin Dan or LCW wins it is also the Chinese race that wins coz both of them are Chinese origin( if i am not mistaken, from the same province as well).....the difference is Lin Dan is representing China and LCW representing Malaysia.....If LCW's forefathers didin't take the boat and landed in Peninsula Malaya, who knows, LCW could be playing under the China flag.

As for coaches, if PBSI can't take care of their own coaches, wht do you expect them to do....starve to death in Indonesia? The 'great' Rexy went to England before coming to Malaysia....If he can improve the standard of the MD in Malaysia, why not....BAM is employing sparring partners from Indonesia right now coz a bunch of players just left...again this is Rexy's recommendation.....I don't see anything wrong in that...and fyi ffc2002, the only reason why Indonesians are going abroad to represent other nations is becoz PBSI cant take care of their welfare.....Its a free world so anyone can take in players from other countries...

Unlike the China players, those tht left the country is coz they couldn't maintain the high standards set or they are rejected by the China BA. But by no means bein rejected by the China BA means they are not world class....look at Pi Hong Yan, Yao Jie ........some of them are rejected coz they are not tall enuf.....

rollerbuzz

11-04-2005, 07:46 AM

this thread has turned into a what, debate thread? lol although im a fan of candra wijaya, this is getting out of hands.. the title of this thread is " Hong Kong Open, Quarter Finals?" .. lol so anyone with the latest score? kindly update for us. thanks! :)

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:47 AM

all of you try to blame me?..
ok lets see...how many time i said lets go back to the result..
but all of you just make me confused like i didn't my own country..
ok guys..congratulation all of u have been burned..:D
thx for 'a little bit' fun explanation...:D

ffc2002, I suggest you read more carefully the other posts, you would understand better.

To answer your last post (though you could find the answer by just re-reading properly previous posts) :

Candra Wijaya and Chen Jia Liang are the same person.

Candra Wijaya is his indonesian name.
Chen Jia Liang is his chinese name.

As said before, in Indonesia Chinese-Indonesians use their indonesian name, this is why he uses Candra Wijaya as his name.

In Malaysia, it would have been the opposite.

..................
I can't dare ask if things are clear now!... :rolleyes:

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 07:48 AM

Results!!!!!!!!!

SE1992

11-04-2005, 07:50 AM

Cool discussion...........................whilst we wait for the results, which may come in next morning, this is really engaging discussion.

ksooi

11-04-2005, 07:51 AM

not pengsan but pingsan
ha..ha..becareful with melayu words (if you didn't get it, ok..)

pengsan = BAHASA MALAYSIA, the national language of MALAYSIA

pingsan= BAHASA INDONESIA, the national language of REPUBLIK of INDONESIA

just like colors = U.S. English
colours= U.K English

weeyet

11-04-2005, 07:52 AM

:D Aiyah, I think ffc understood already la
btw, just to answer ur question ffc, orang cina and chinese-etnic are same meaning. chinese got two meaning, one is people who are from china, another one is chinese-etnic people overseas.

let's back to the result.

alloh

11-04-2005, 07:54 AM

not pengsan but pingsan
ha..ha..becareful with melayu words (if you didn't get it, ok..)

Pengsan is the correct Malay word in Malaysia.
Pingsan maybe is the Indon word.
BTW, ffc2002 are you really from Indonesia? What race are you? Sure not orang cina right? Do you know there is orang cina living in Indonesia like in Malaysia and Singapore.... or I should say around the world.

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 07:54 AM

i don't think so..how about Taufik Hidayat?..Sony Dwi Kuncoro?..
Taufik came from Pangalengan, East Java, and Sony came from Surabaya..
How about Markis and Hendra?..Sigit Budiarto?..how do u explain that?..

ok,lets finish talk about this..how about the result...:mad:

I think ffc2002 needs to really understand the difference between nationality and race......

He can support Lin Dan all he wants but I don't think he needs to put down players from other countries mainly LCW.....FYI ffc2002, most of the great badminton players from Indonesia' origin is China...

Whether Lin Dan or LCW wins it is also the Chinese race that wins coz both of them are Chinese origin( if i am not mistaken, from the same province as well).....the difference is Lin Dan is representing China and LCW representing Malaysia.....If LCW's forefathers didin't take the boat and landed in Peninsula Malaya, who knows, LCW could be playing under the China flag.

As for coaches, if PBSI can't take care of their own coaches, wht do you expect them to do....starve to death in Indonesia? The 'great' Rexy went to England before coming to Malaysia....If he can improve the standard of the MD in Malaysia, why not....BAM is employing sparring partners from Indonesia right now coz a bunch of players just left...again this is Rexy's recommendation.....I don't see anything wrong in that...and fyi ffc2002, the only reason why Indonesians are going abroad to represent other nations is becoz PBSI cant take care of their welfare.....Its a free world so anyone can take in players from other countries...

Unlike the China players, those tht left the country is coz they couldn't maintain the high standards set or they are rejected by the China BA. But by no means bein rejected by the China BA means they are not world class....look at Pi Hong Yan, Yao Jie ........some of them are rejected coz they are not tall enuf.....

Inky2000

11-04-2005, 07:56 AM

Also, I totally agreed that Taufik is a very good player in the world but not undefeated. He lost to Wong Choong Hann 6 times totally. But Taufik only won over WCH 3 times.
http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/player_head.asp?firstname2=Choong+Hann&lastname2=WONG&firstname1=Taufik&lastname1=HIDAYAT

I've been maintaining a more comprehensive (or at least I'm trying to) database of major players' head-on records. The actual count is 6-6,

10 Aug 1999 - SEA Games (Men's Team final) - 15-5, 15-2 - Taufik won
14 Aug 1999 - SEA Games (Men's Singles final) - 15-10, 11-15, 15-11 - Taufik won
1 Dec 1999 - Grand Prix Finals (preliminary round) - 15-12, 13-15, 9-15 - WCH won
7 Jun 2001 - World Championships (Last 16) - 15-10, 11-15, 15-7 - Taufik won
19 Aug 2001 - Singapore Opens (final) - 7-5, 0-7, 7-1, 1-7, 7-4 - Taufik won
23 Nov 2002 - Batam International (semi-final) - 15-1, 10-15, 15-7 - Taufik won
25 Sep 2003 - Denmark Open (last 16) - 5-15, 12-15 - WCH won
7 Nov 2003 - Taipei Open (quarterfinal) - 12-15, 4-15 - WCH won
27 Dec 2003 - Copenhagen Masters (preliminary) - 4-15, 6-15 - WCH won
17 Aug 2004 - Olympic Games (last 16) - 11-15, 15-7, 15-9 - Taufik won
28 Dec 2004 - Copenhagen Masters (preliminary) - 6-15, 8-15 - WCH won
3 Nov 2005 - HK Open (last 16) - 15-7, 9-15, 12-15 - WCH won

WCH won over Taufik 5 times in the last 3 years ... but he was defeated in the most important event - The Olympic Games!

other

11-04-2005, 07:56 AM

orang cina?..what is the difference between orang cina, chinese and chinese-indo?..
the fact that all of them have a chinese name..i got it..
but..the fact that noun :"susi susanti,alan budikusuma, candra wijaya"
are came from China dictionary i didn't knew it..
the fact : Wang Lianxiang, wei renfang, etc came from China dictionary..i knew it..
that's why i'm so suprised that noun:susi susanti, alan budikusuma, candra wijaya are from china words..
thx for explanation

all is lost:rolleyes:

first off, nouns do not equal names...a name is not a noun. In chinese, names are made up of characters, which can be nouns, verbs, adjectives etc etc. After the name is complete, it is not known as a noun. A noun is an object, a thing, such as a tree, or a badminton racquet. A noun is not a name.

susi susanti is not in the chinese dictionary. it is her indonesian name. names are usually not in a dictionary, but the individual parts that make up the name may be words, and therefore could be in the dictionary.

wei is in the chinese dictionary
ren is in the chinese dictionary
fang is in the chinese dictionary

but "wei ren fang" is not in the chinese DICTONARY, it could be in an encyclopedia, but shouldn't be in a normal, standard dictionary.

neither is "allan budi kusama" in the chinese dictionary, first becuase it is not chinese (language) and secondly it is a name.

when wei ren fang took allan budi kusama to be his name, the are not the same words, just in another language. it is not the same as
tree=shu(in madarin)
badminton racquet=yu mao qiu pai(in mandarin)

it is just a name. For example if i moved to USA from china, and wanted a US name, I would possibly choose one that sounds similar to my chinese name, or has the same meaning, or one with neither the same sound nor the same meaning. It is a name they chose. What is so confusing about it?

chinese can describe both the race (ethnic group) and the citizenship.

therefore indonesian-chinese in this case means indonesian citizen (passport, ID card etc etc) and chinese ethnic group. This could be because that person's grandparents moved to indonesia. Even though he was born in indonesia and have indonesian citizenship, his ethic group is still chinese.

ethnic group describes your heritage. for example, white people (caucasians) can be british, french, german etc etc etc. therefore the same can be for chinese ethnic group. you are chinese, but are also german, french etc etc if u are citizen there.

there is another chinese word "hua qiao", which describes this idea, of chinese ethnic people who are born abroad, and therefore have some connection to china, even though they are also "foreigners". this could be orang cina.

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 07:57 AM

ying ying

11-04-2005, 07:58 AM

Yeah.. I was waiting for the rest of the results too;) ... This thread is supposed to be about the Hong Kong Open.. not a lecture about the nationality of the country's players.. But to be honest, I was a little offended about what ffc said..:o Let's just resolve this already..:D Maybe he was just confused about Malaysia's multiracial nationalities.. Even some of my friends get confused too..:rolleyes:

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 07:59 AM

pengsan = BAHASA MALAYSIA, the national language of MALAYSIA

pingsan= BAHASA INDONESIA, the national language of REPUBLIK of INDONESIA

just like colors = U.S. English
colours= U.K English
thanks for your explanation

lauti

11-04-2005, 08:00 AM

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 08:04 AM

well,i think that's ok to discuss this race and nationality until we have some result..
don't you think that we just wasting time if we're just wait the result?..
when we discussed about this we learned so many thing...( i guest) and it has relationship with our favorite player isn't?..
to share s'thing that not all the people knew about that..
thx for sharing with me..(until we wait for the result..)

Yeah.. I was waiting for the rest of the results too;) ... This thread is supposed to be about the Hong Kong Open.. not a lecture about the nationality of the country's players.. But to be honest, I was a little offended about what ffc said..:o Let's just resolve this already..:D Maybe he was just confused about Malaysia's multiracial nationalities.. Even some of my friends get confused too..:rolleyes:

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:05 AM

Shuttlecock kin

11-04-2005, 08:05 AM

Helo Helo!!
sick of all this
please concentrate on Hong Kong Badminton Open or badminton or we might not be able get the latest results; all thanks to the damn 6* HK Open organisers which does not provide live scores

Hi guys,

This is a forum on badminton, not race, creed, politics or religion. Besides, I will tend to forgive ffc, like his name suggest, it has two Fs and one C, so there you are....

kelly

11-04-2005, 08:05 AM

i really found it quite funny that after all the explanation given..ffc2002 still couldn't understand wat we are trying to tell him..actually do he understand english??????????

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 08:05 AM

lauti

11-04-2005, 08:07 AM

the results that i saw

mix doubles QF
xie/zhang(CHN) bt Koo/Ooi(MSIA)16-17,15-9,15-7
lee/lee(korea) bt anggun/yunita(INA)17-14,15-1

women singles QF
xie xing fang(CHN)bt yao jie(Holland)13-12,8-0(RTD)
wang chen(HK)bt Zhu lin(CHN)11-8,11-5 may I know where did u see it? &*#$@ another Malaysia casualty. YJ retired due to injury or exhaution? How about 2nd half of MS?

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 08:07 AM

how about md?..
indo pair?..
and wd?..
ok..they're left in here...

the results that i saw

mix doubles QF
xie/zhang(CHN) bt Koo/Ooi(MSIA)16-17,15-9,15-7
lee/lee(korea) bt anggun/yunita(INA)17-14,15-1

women singles QF
xie xing fang(CHN)bt yao jie(Holland)13-12,8-0(RTD)
wang chen(HK)bt Zhu lin(CHN)11-8,11-5

weeyet

11-04-2005, 08:09 AM

Wht about Tang Sin Fu, Liem Swie King, Rudy Hartono,Hendrawan,Tony Gunawan to name a few.....those players you mentioned yes are native Indonesians.....

I wouldn't put Taufik, Sony, Sigit as 'greats' yet......suprisingly you mention Sigit but not Candra.....so you must somehow know that Candra is not 1st generation Indonesian....

Well, for me personally, I rate Taufik is great alongside with Alan Budi Kusuma, Arby Heryanto although still not up to great standard like Rudy, Liem, Chandra.

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 08:10 AM

what bout MS 2nd half results?
I think he got the results from the official site
well....
though KKK/Ooi is out...is good to see them give a good fight as a scratch pair
matches still going on?

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:11 AM

i just text LCW to tendang Lin Dan's punya buntut in 2moro's semis.... :D :D :D

GO LCW....MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!!!

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 08:13 AM

Wht about Tang Sin Fu, Liem Swie King, Rudy Hartono,Hendrawan,Tony Gunawan to name a few.....those players you mentioned yes are native Indonesians.....

I wouldn't put Taufik, Sony, Sigit as 'greats' yet......suprisingly you mention Sigit but not Candra.....so you must somehow know that Candra is not 1st generation Indonesian....

ok..this is my explanation..
Tang Sin Fu, Lim S K are indo-chines (orang cina) name
Rudy hartono, Hendrawan, Tony, Candra..(indo-chines race but use indo name)
you should know different between indo-chines name and indo-chinese race
Taufik, Sony, (indo race and indo name)..are you clear enough?...

**KZ**

11-04-2005, 08:13 AM

i just text LCW to tendang Lin Dan's punya buntut in 2moro's semis.... :D :D :D

GO LCW....MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!!!

yeah!
kick until it bloom flower
go LCW!

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:14 AM

Well, for me personally, I rate Taufik is great alongside with Alan Budi Kusuma, Arby Heryanto although still not up to great standard like Rudy, Liem, Chandra.

Yes definitely....he is a very very very talented player...if he puts his mind into it, he can just blow anyone away....
He is just in a class of his own at times....he can turn on an off so easily....

Phoebe_hsw

11-04-2005, 08:16 AM

what bout MS 2nd half results?
I think he got the results from the official site
well....
though KKK/Ooi is out...is good to see them give a good fight as a scratch pair
matches still going on?
i'm she:crying: :crying::crying::crying::crying:

lauti,you can try this
http://www.hkbadmintonassn.org.hk/eng/hkopen05.htm

but sometimes it also like a ****,anyway,better than none

lauti

11-04-2005, 08:17 AM

yeah!
kick until it bloom flower
go LCW! Yes bloom until the flowers blossom LCWLCWLCW

cheongsa

11-04-2005, 08:17 AM

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 08:17 AM

Hey..plese respect the other people and u'll be respected!!
(like Tatu says..)

Hi guys,

This is a forum on badminton, not race, creed, politics or religion. Besides, I will tend to forgive ffc, like his name suggest, it has two Fs and one C, so there you are....

other

11-04-2005, 08:19 AM

i don't understand why people are saying this discussion is preventing us knowing the latest results....:rolleyes:

its not as if the web people (if there are any:p) at the HK open are reading this thread instead of updating the results. From what I can see, this discussion is mostly limited to those people who are online waiting for the result, so whether they are discussing or not is not going to affect the speed at which we will learn of new scores. (unless you are being pedantic and say that they are slowing down the BF server)

and seriously, quit saying "where at the rest of the scores!!!!?!??!!?!?!"
the people updating have only found the ones they have posted, so repeatedly saying where are the rest of the scores is not going to make it any faster...

just sit back and wait

weeyet

11-04-2005, 08:19 AM

Yes definitely....he is a very very very talented player...if he puts his mind into it, he can just blow anyone away....
He is just in a class of his own at times....he can turn on an off so easily....

Often it's mental strength that differentiate between a great and a talented player :D

ying ying

11-04-2005, 08:20 AM

well,i just wondering,are you a member of another chinese forum?

Er.. Not that I know of.. Why? :confused:

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:21 AM

ok..this is my explanation..
Tang Sin Fu, Lim S K are indo-chines (orang cina) name
Rudy hartono, Hendrawan, Tony, Candra..(indo-chines race but use indo name)
you should know different between indo-chines name and indo-chinese race
Taufik, Sony, (indo race and indo name)..are you clear enough?...

HAHAHA...the point is do you get it????

Just as Lee Chong Wei is Malaysian-Chinese(orang Cina) using a Chinese name coz he doesn't have a Malay name....and to call him 'Malay' is very disrespectful coz he is not of the Malay race(dia bukan orang melayu)

I think all of us in this thread knw the difference but do you??? :confused:

ffc2002

11-04-2005, 08:23 AM

Hey, plese respect the other people then you'll be respected?..(like Tatu says..)
You think that your english was good enough huh?..
i don't think so..(just your name kelly---english name,try to duplicete kelly clarkson, you think u good enouh?..huh)
but you seem never respected the other...

i really found it quite funny that after all the explanation given..ffc2002 still couldn't understand wat we are trying to tell him..actually do he understand english??????????

weeyet

11-04-2005, 08:23 AM

HAHAHA...the point is do you get it????

Just as Lee Chong Wei is Malaysian-Chinese(orang Cina) using a Chinese name coz he doesn't have a Malay name....and to call him 'Malay' is very disrespectful coz he is not of the Malay race(dia bukan orang melayu)

I think all of us in this thread knw the difference but do you??? :confused:

ffc understand alraedy

Mag

11-04-2005, 08:23 AM

This thread is so spammed up it's even beyond moderation, so LISTEN UP EVERYBODY!

Read the thread title: "HK Open 2005 Quarter-Final".
That means the following: if you want to discuss Zhao Jian Hua, naming conventions, the length of a piece of string, etc, this is NOT the right place.
Don't thread-jack -- start a new thread if you need to go severely off-topic!

:eek: :mad: :crying:

Yours truly,
Mag the Mod

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:25 AM

Often it's mental strength that differentiate between a great and a talented player :D

Yes..tht is why Malaysia has lost out......our players just don't have the mental strength....but all is not lost....we are definitely working on it. :D

Tht is why BAM hired Li MAo and Rexy....to instill mental strength in our players :)

GunBlade008

11-04-2005, 08:26 AM

It's been mentioned so many times before and referred back to far too many times. I'm kindly asking the people in here to stop the racial arguements, who CARES?! They play for their team, leave it as it is. People that come to this thread look for analysis and score updates, not a completely OFF TOPIC thread, which I believe kwun wouldn't be too happy about.

Syaoran_Style

11-04-2005, 08:35 AM

Well ... we're talking about THE HONG KONG OPEN 2005 =p
Sooo everybody let's discuss about THE RESULTS lol (and not players origins hihihi)

Soo i wanna say something .. yang/zhang beat wei/zhao 15-1 15-4
I'm a biig biig chinese supporter but i CANT BEAR those things !! how the number one pair in the world could win 15-1 15-4 against the fourth chinese pair and all england runner up .... china won't stop to disappoint us .. =//
It's quite "unfair-play", not unfair play for the players .. but for the crowd and for the TV spectators .. and of course for all fans of chiina team (like me !!)
Maybe one day they'll understand what is SPORT !! :( :( :( :mad: :crying: :crying:

Well also CONGRATULATION hongyyaan !! i'm sure tomorow you'll be able to beat zhang ning !! just give your best i'm with you like always !! allez hongyyaan, Hongyyan Jiia Youu, Come oon Hongyan , Hongyaan Vamos !!

yannie

11-04-2005, 08:39 AM

hahaha... i think off topics are fun too.. of course fans are curious about the players' family.. background.. etc but maybe this discussion should be in another thread.

ok, i'm so happy lin dan won! go lin dan! jia you lin dan! go zhang ning too! cai/fu! and all chinese players! JIA YOU!!!!!

lauti

11-04-2005, 08:40 AM

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:42 AM

lauti

11-04-2005, 08:44 AM

:) Hope tomolo Malaysia friends will be able to update us with the latest scores since they will be able to watch it on chnl 80, pleassssssssseeeeee

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:46 AM

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: He He Just like how LCW managed to beat WCH(who last night just beaten Olympic & World Champion) by such a margin; though I his ardent fan, I just can't help wondering......:confused: :confused:

:cool: Hehe...i'm sure YKH asked WCH not to give LCW a tough workout....LCW has to conserve his energy to be rady for Lin Dan :p

ksooi

11-04-2005, 08:48 AM

:) Hope tomolo Malaysia friends will be able to update us with the latest scores since they will be able to watch it on chnl 80, pleassssssssseeeeee

Arent you going to watch it? I tot you are is Negeri Sembilan?

lauti

11-04-2005, 08:55 AM

Arent you going to watch it? I tot you are is Negeri Sembilan?I would to but I can't; I am from NS but currently outstation. would u pls update us tomolo,btw where r you from?

streamyx

11-04-2005, 08:55 AM

Pls ask your goverment why they cannot use chinese name. In Malaysia we can and chinese (Manderin) is use widely in Malaysia. Infatct, Lee Chong Wei when u read it. It is actually a chinese slang, we just spell it out..

i don't think so..let's say Angelique Wijaya (our tennis player..)
she never get descendant from Chinese..
how you explain that?..

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:01 AM

I would to but I can't; I am from NS but currently outstation. would u pls update us tomolo,btw where r you from?

Currently in KL....suppose to be in HK watchin the tournament but no flight tickets :crying: coz of the deepavali and raya holidays

weeyet

11-04-2005, 09:03 AM

:cool: Hehe...i'm sure YKH asked WCH not to give LCW a tough workout....LCW has to conserve his energy to be rady for Lin Dan :p

I can't believe this thing really could happen in Malaysia. It isn't fair to WCH if it really had happened!

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:05 AM

Pls ask your goverment why they cannot use chinese name. In Malaysia we can and chinese (Manderin) is use widely in Malaysia. Infatct, Lee Chong Wei when u read it. It is actually a chinese slang, we just spell it out..

But after the former Indonesian President Suharto wants only one Indonesian identity in Indonesia, all orang cina (chinese etnic ppl in indonesia) have to change their names to indonesian names.

lauti

11-04-2005, 09:08 AM

I can't believe this thing really could happen in Malaysia. It isn't fair to WCH if it really had happened!cool it bro, even if it really happen, why not take it as a good strategy. FM, LCW could really in superb form, nobody knows:D

seven

11-04-2005, 09:10 AM

Bao Chunlai bt Chen Hong 15-6 10-15 15-3
Shon Seung Mo bt Park Sung Hwan 15-7 12-15 15-5

jermaine

11-04-2005, 09:10 AM

told you already.. lin dan and leechongwei final.
its quite obvious.. if you study them. lol

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:10 AM

I can't believe this thing really could happen in Malaysia. It isn't fair to WCH if it really had happened!

Believe it or not it does.....badminton is now a team sport even though its an individual event in the open tournaments...

The coach will decide which player has a better chance of defeating the opponent in the next round....it makes sense coz they are all playing , like i say for the national BA...the players are afterall employed by BAM.....

weeyet

11-04-2005, 09:11 AM

cool it bro, even if it really happen, why not take it as a good strategy. FM, LCW could really in superb form, nobody knows:D
Yeah, I admit this is a good strategy, especially after Lin Dan had played a rubber game with Gade.
However, if such team orders really happened, I would just feel sorry for Choong Hann because he deserved a chance to fight.
Good luck to Chong Wei, don't disappoint us!!

lauti

11-04-2005, 09:13 AM

Bao Chunlai bt Chen Hong 15-6 10-15 15-3
Shon Seung Mo bt Park Sung Hwan 15-7 12-15 15-5now we have got 2 close matches tomolo, who dare says it will definitely be all chinese final

eling

11-04-2005, 09:13 AM

anybody knows wat time is da match between chong wei n lin dan tomorrow?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:13 AM

told you already.. lin dan and leechongwei final.
its quite obvious.. if you study them. lol

How can it be a lindan and lcw final if they are from the same half of the draw :confused: :confused: :confused:

Hav i asked LCW to kick the wrong person's buntut in 2moro's semis?

weeyet

11-04-2005, 09:13 AM

now we have got 2 close matches tomolo, who dare says it will definitely be all chinese final

I prefer a LCW vs BCL final!!

weeyet

11-04-2005, 09:15 AM

anybody knows wat time is da match between chong wei n lin dan tomorrow?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:]

Eling, haha, you post a good question, it reminds me to watch the match tomorrow. Astro got live broadcast right?

eling

11-04-2005, 09:17 AM

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Eling, haha, you post a good question, it reminds me to watch the match tomorrow. Astro got live broadcast right?

yup..i can onli watch at night

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:18 AM

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Eling, haha, you post a good question, it reminds me to watch the match tomorrow. Astro got live broadcast right?

If i remember correctly, broadcast starts at 1.30pm.....

eling

11-04-2005, 09:20 AM

If i remember correctly, broadcast starts at 1.30pm.....
yup till 12.10a.m

jermaine

11-04-2005, 09:21 AM

opps sorry. i think final would most probably be lin dan and bao chunlai.. quite boring ah?

jermaine

11-04-2005, 09:23 AM

opps sorry. i think final would most probably be lin dan and bao chunlai.. quite boring ah?
if its lee chong wei and bao then the winner sure to be leechong wei.
lin dan would be in a disadvanage state already.. so tired after the match with gade like wc.
when he played against taufik no fighting spirit. cant be helped la. too tired.

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:27 AM

opps sorry. i think final would most probably be lin dan and bao chunlai.. quite boring ah?

Hard to say....if LCW use the right tactic and neutralize Lindan's attack, then he is in with a chance ....Anyone that saw the M'sian Open final would know LCW played a very tactical game that day...I'm sure Li Mao will be asking him to play the same game as tht day...

BCL and SSM also a 50-50 game....SSM is no slouch and afterall he is the Olympic silver medallist......

rollerbuzz

11-04-2005, 09:30 AM

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:37 AM

lin dan will win this title no matter what you guys say.. mwahahah :D well at least he has my full support! :p when he was playing in malaysia open, i was alone sitting beside the court supporting lin dan when he was playing against chong wei.. lol :D go 林丹!

yes you are very right...no matter what everyone says, it is up to the players to perform.....so for tht matter, we are all not sure who the champion will be......

Wht do you expect in the M'sian open?...in a hall full of 5000 malaysian supporters with the deputy prime minister present...of coz all the spectators would be supporting LCW.....

I won't be surprised if we see some M'sian suporters in the QE stadium tomorrow.....

15_up

11-04-2005, 09:40 AM

sorry..i've been knew it from Steven..( i think Steven know e'thing)
sorry..don't blame me..

If you are not sure abt something, pls do not simply say it. Pls read the rules before posting a msg(be civil). What is the problem with you anti- Malay or Malaysian( if one, since u are not sure) anyway? It is just sport..just let's hope the better player win.

matt_att

11-04-2005, 09:44 AM

lin dan will win this title no matter what you guys say.. mwahahah :D well at least he has my full support! :p when he was playing in malaysia open, i was alone sitting beside the court supporting lin dan when he was playing against chong wei.. lol :D go 林丹!

no matter how much i like LinDan, as a Malaysian ..... go LCW, Malaysia boleh ...
Lindan, I will cheer for u when u fight with Taufik or Gate ...... later .... sorry!!!

LCW all the way .........

rollerbuzz

11-04-2005, 09:48 AM

no matter how much i like LinDan, as a Malaysian ..... go LCW, Malaysia boleh ...
Lindan, I will cheer for u when u fight with Taufik or Gate ...... later .... sorry!!!

LCW all the way .........

haha im a malaysian too, friend! :p
林丹 all the way!! :D

yannie

11-04-2005, 09:49 AM

haha im a malaysian too, friend! :p
林丹 all the way!! :D

hahaha, thats funny! what makes you like lin dan this much? (as a malaysian)

matt_att

11-04-2005, 09:49 AM

haha im a malaysian too, friend! :p
林丹 all the way!! :D

sure ..... let see .....:p

15_up

11-04-2005, 09:50 AM

but i think Candra is origin from Indo..it's not Indonesia-Chinese name..:rolleyes:

Of course Chandra is from indonesia, but if he is a Indonesian Chinese, his ancestors are definitely from China.Is that mean he is a "import" player too? Abt the name, he might have a chinese name, but bcos of ur country regulation of anti chinese name, he just can't put in the birth cert. and i think this regulation is introduced during Soekarno ruling period.

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:50 AM

haha im a malaysian too, friend! :p
林丹 all the way!! :D

then how come supporting lin dan when he is playing your fellow countryman :confused: :confused: :confused:

:D :D :D

rollerbuzz

11-04-2005, 09:51 AM

sure ..... let see .....:p

hahah i dont know.. lin dan just amazes me.. the way he plays :D
okay matt, let's see :p

ksooi

11-04-2005, 09:56 AM

hahah i dont know.. lin dan just amazes me.. the way he plays :D
okay matt, let's see :p

doesn't LCW amaze u as well? :o they are both gd in their own way....it all depends on who performs on tht particular day......

weeyet

11-04-2005, 09:57 AM

then how come supporting lin dan when he is playing your fellow countryman :confused: :confused: :confused:

:D :D :D

haha, sometimes nationality is not the sole factor for some people.
some japanese would support cristiano ronaldo rather than hidetoshi nakata
:D

ksooi

11-04-2005, 10:01 AM

haha, sometimes nationality is not the sole factor for some people.
some japanese would support cristiano ronaldo rather than hidetoshi nakata
:D

Yes i knw....i would support taufik, peter gade, chandra/sigit to name a few but when they are playing against a M'sian, definitely Malaysia boleh :D :D :D

I wouldn't be supporting our Msian football team tho ;)

rollerbuzz

11-04-2005, 10:03 AM

haha, sometimes nationality is not the sole factor for some people.
some japanese would support cristiano ronaldo rather than hidetoshi nakata
:D

haha yeah nationality isnt the sole factor :p
林丹! :D 林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!林丹!
林丹!林丹! ahhhh im going lin-dan crazy!.. hahah it's getting late here in malaysia :p till then, nite!

weeyet

11-04-2005, 10:04 AM

Yes i knw....i would support taufik, peter gade, chandra/sigit to name a few but when they are playing against a M'sian, definitely Malaysia boleh :D :D :D

I wouldn't be supporting our Msian football team tho ;)

lol.. but for me, i would support chandra-sigit whoever they are playing with except Malaysians, and for sure support hafiz even though he is playing with lin dan or bao chunlai:D

is it i'm still living in the past?? my top favourite of our MD is still Wan Wah-Tan Fook rather than Kien Keat-Chong Ming.. :p

ksooi

11-04-2005, 10:08 AM

lol.. but for me, i would support chandra-sigit whoever they are playing with except Malaysians, and for sure support hafiz even though he is playing with lin dan or bao chunlai:D

LOL.....thts the spirit.....
Must hav a TT with you one day....maybe even have a hit around at Kiara when you are available :p

Inky2000

11-04-2005, 10:11 AM

doesn't LCW amaze u as well? :o they are both gd in their own way....it all depends on who performs on tht particular day......

Among the alumni of World Junior Championships 2000, LCW was the "latecomer" to the distinguished club of world class men's single players (as compared to the champion Bao Chunlai, runner-up Sony Kuncoro and semi-finalist Lin Dan) but he seems to have the potential to overtake them and become the world No.1. Could these four players form the new four Heavenly Kings in the future, after the relatively senior Gade, Jonassen, Chen Hong, SSM and WCH retire? Well, I think Sony should be replaced by Hidayat.

ksooi

11-04-2005, 10:13 AM

lol.. but for me, i would support chandra-sigit whoever they are playing with except Malaysians, and for sure support hafiz even though he is playing with lin dan or bao chunlai:D

is it i'm still living in the past?? my top favourite of our MD is still Wan Wah-Tan Fook rather than Kien Keat-Chong Ming.. :p

Yes...LWW/CTF to me is still the no1 pair in Msia....KKK/CCM still has loads of work to do ......same goes for OSH/TBS, LVF/Fairuz and GTC/Zakry

the only reason LWW/CTF is stil in the team is because YKH realise tht there is still a gap in the MD....same goes for Chew Choon Eng....CCE is now partnering a junior to try bring up the standard

Employing Rexy's services is really going to help our MD players....

weeyet

11-04-2005, 10:14 AM

Among the alumni of World Junior Championships 2000, LCW was the "latecomer" to the distinguished club of world class men's single players (as compared to the champion Bao Chunlai, runner-up Sony Kuncoro and semi-finalist Lin Dan) but he seems to have the potential to overtake them and become the world No.1. Could these four players form the new four Heavenly Kings in the future, after the relatively senior Gade, Jonassen, Chen Hong, SSM and WCH retire? Well, I think Sony should be replaced by Hidayat.

Yeah, we had had Yang Yang, Zhao Jianhua, Morten Frost Hansen, Icuk Sugiarto.

Now, wanna see Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat, Lee Chong Wei, Bao Chunlai form the new era!! Haven't been able to see a potential Korean tho...

weeyet

11-04-2005, 10:16 AM

LOL.....thts the spirit.....
Must hav a TT with you one day....maybe even have a hit around at Kiara when you are available :p

what's TT.........

yannie

11-04-2005, 10:18 AM

hi weeyet, u told me to reply to a message, so here i am :p

ksooi

11-04-2005, 10:19 AM

what's TT.........

.............teh tarik............ :p

seven

11-04-2005, 10:25 AM

Guo/Xie beat Luluk/Alven 15-2 15-9

Eriksen/Lundgaard beat Eng/Flandy 15-12 15-9

seven

11-04-2005, 10:26 AM

No more indons in MD ......

yannie

11-04-2005, 10:27 AM

thanks for the info... go guo/xie! cai/fu!

weeyet

11-04-2005, 10:30 AM

.............teh tarik............ :p
Haha, sure... i'm studying in JB, skudai... if u happen to go singpaore...

ksooi

11-04-2005, 10:33 AM

Haha, sure... i'm studying in JB, skudai... if u happen to go singpaore...

and if you happen to drop by KL, bring your rackets ;)

alloh

11-04-2005, 10:45 AM

No more indons in MD ......

Not only MD, but also MS, XD ...
Bad performance for Indon team on this HK open .....

weeyet

11-04-2005, 10:48 AM

have all QF matches results been updated....

nellute

11-04-2005, 10:52 AM

Guo/Xie beat Luluk/Alven 15-2 15-9

Eriksen/Lundgaard beat Eng/Flandy 15-12 15-9

Cannot believe these. The indons used to be the MD power house. Especially for Luluk / Alven to lose to a scratch pair.

weeyet

11-04-2005, 10:53 AM

Not only MD, but also MS, XD ...
Bad performance for Indon team on this HK open .....

Haha, i still remember how Malaysia did in singapore open :D

SmartCivet

11-04-2005, 10:55 AM

have all QF matches results been updated....
But I can't read the WD results!

kwun

11-04-2005, 11:02 AM