San Diego Badminton online shop or fraud??

[pcoling]

This concerns a purchase on July 29,2005 which I made on a link from this badminton central website advertised shop called San Diego Badminton at www.badminton.net (http://www.badminton.net/). Before I was only a guest here and from this site I got to know and made purchase at this website under Order No. 1776 with a value of US$158.37, email correspondents was send to and from me and a certain Mike Walker. After almost 2 months of waiting for my goods which arrive around 3rd week of September!! Mike Walker claimed that his goods were stock in the customs dept for 1 month which is why it was very late already.

The really bad thing is when I check my orders they were all in the wrong sizes. The shoes were undersize by 1 size and the shirts and shorts were oversize by 1 size also. The shoes I gave to my wife, luckily it fit her feet. The shoes and shorts Mr.Mike Walker promise me that he will change it when I ship back the wrong ones which I did send back and a confirmed acceptance from his staff Mr.David Ogatta on Oct.1 document was forwarded to me by the USPS post. After they received my goods...Mike Walker never replied to my email follow ups...not even once.

I want to know if this company SanDiego Badminton have also done this to any one else...I can't believe Mr.Walker will commit fraud for an amount around US$60. What for??? They got a great website which would mislead people to think they are a professional company but Buyers BEWARE!!!

I'm thinking of filing or reporting this incident to athe internet fraud organization so that Mr.Mike Walker and his company San Diego Badminton will be made liable for the fraudulent acts he has done to me and others.

Pls. comment if you happen to be a victim of this on line web shop also.

[LazyBuddy]

www.badminton.net is a fairly reputable company to my knowledge. I think there's might be mis-communication somewhere in between. Instead of waiting for email, maybe place a direct phone call to them instead? :rolleyes:

[Quasimodo]

I've dealt with them many times in the past and never had a problem. Quiet a few of other players here regularly do business with them with no troubles.

Have you tried calling them and talking to Mike directly? If not, before you bring in BBB, USPS inspectors, et al., you may want to talk to him and try to work things out between the two of you first.

Just a thought, FWIW.

[keeprocking]

www.badminton.net (http://www.badminton.net) is a fairly reputable company to my knowledge. I think there's might be mis-communication somewhere in between. Instead of waiting for email, maybe place a direct phone call to them instead? :rolleyes:

I agree with LazyBuddy. I recently (about 3 weeks back) bought a racquet from them. It was shipped on time and I recieved it on time including all the freebies. Maybe you can call them up or visit them (if its not too far) to resolve it quickly.

[LazyBuddy]

Mike Walker claimed that his goods were stock in the customs dept for 1 month which is why it was very late already.

The really bad thing is when I check my orders they were all in the wrong sizes. The shoes were undersize by 1 size and the shirts and shorts were oversize by 1 size also.

I feel sorry for you, as I know how u feel, if the clothes does not fit at all, after long waiting period.

However, 1 thing I want to know is, what do u mean by "wrong size"? Like SDBS sent the wrong size against the ones u ordered (i.e. u ordered US Size 10 but received US size 11 instead), or, u think the size "suppose to fit", but the reality is not?

No offense on this, as I am not taking any side. All I try to ask is, if it is the 2nd case, I don't think we can blaim SDBS, as we know, the asian lines have different sizes against the wester regions. Our daily shopping expereince in clothes sizes, might not be applied to the imported stuff. However, if it's 1st case, then, SDBS DOES own u an apology.

[pcoling]

Thanks for all your responses. SDBS sent me several emails and I repeatedly answer them that I'm a "large" if their shirt are asian size and a "medium" if their shirt are US size. So I think that is clear enough for them to understand but still the send me a "large" US size shirt. They also send me a Large size short when I specifically told them my waist line is only 3 inches. Also the shoes I told them I'm size 9 but they send me size 8.

Regarding the "no reponse" from the emails I send emails almost everyday to follow up if they ship out my correct size shirt and short but nothing. I also went to their website and click the "contact us" so the I'm sure they would recieve my message which their site confirmed as message successfully received but still nothing. I even use another email address to follow up the status but still nothing...as in nothing at all

I tried calling the telephone number posted on their website but after several rings it went dead and nobody ever answer.

USPS already confirmed and send me the document via email re the wrong shirt and shorts which was signed and received by David Ogatta last Oct.1 so I don't know whats' keeping them from sending the correct size short and shirt.

I'm not even after an apology from them all I wanted is for them to send me my replacement shirt and shorts and if they don't have the actual item then they could always credit back my money to my card. Thats also ok for me.

I would really apprecite it if somebaody can try contacting SDBS via their toll free number or just by regular email to help me regarding my order number 1776 and inform them that their company's reputation is already being discussed on Badminton Central. I don't think I should be the one to mention this matter to SDBS as I would seem like I'm threatening them or harassing them. But to get someone's money and not deliver the goods is equivalent to FRAUD....so as long as my matters are not settled...Future buers BEWARE!!

Pcoling





I feel sorry for you, as I know how u feel, if the clothes does not fit at all, after long waiting period.

However, 1 thing I want to know is, what do u mean by "wrong size"? Like SDBS sent the wrong size against the ones u ordered (i.e. u ordered US Size 10 but received US size 11 instead), or, u think the size "suppose to fit", but the reality is not?

No offense on this, as I am not taking any side. All I try to ask is, if it is the 2nd case, I don't think we can blaim SDBS, as we know, the asian lines have different sizes against the wester regions. Our daily shopping expereince in clothes sizes, might not be applied to the imported stuff. However, if it's 1st case, then, SDBS DOES own u an apology.

[pcoling]

Sorry for the typo but I meant 32 inches for my waistline

Pcoling




I feel sorry for you, as I know how u feel, if the clothes does not fit at all, after long waiting period.

However, 1 thing I want to know is, what do u mean by "wrong size"? Like SDBS sent the wrong size against the ones u ordered (i.e. u ordered US Size 10 but received US size 11 instead), or, u think the size "suppose to fit", but the reality is not?

No offense on this, as I am not taking any side. All I try to ask is, if it is the 2nd case, I don't think we can blaim SDBS, as we know, the asian lines have different sizes against the wester regions. Our daily shopping expereince in clothes sizes, might not be applied to the imported stuff. However, if it's 1st case, then, SDBS DOES own u an apology.

[HoustonRockets]

We never had any problem with www.badminton.net (http://www.badminton.net/)
Maybe he s the coach of our team. He s a smart business man, he always make his product price a slightly lower than others.....
We love him!

[HoustonRockets]

btw, I got all my badminton gears from www.badminton.net (http://www.badminton.net) before I even joined his team. I am very satisfied with my shopping experience. Mike likes to give away little things to his customers. Like I purchased two yonex racquets from him. I got a free T shirt and a nice free racquet bag

[malayali]

Never had problems with badminton.net; Have made several purchases from him & it has always been on time & the right products. Seems to me like a mis-communication issue....

[Javalina]

I have personally dealt with SDBS twice with purchases of two racquets and an racquet bag. So far the experience is pleasant the products were delivered on time and with the specification. I would call them and ask them about the order and their tele person is quite friendly. Good luck!

[LazyBuddy]

I tried calling the telephone number posted on their website but after several rings it went dead and nobody ever answer.


Ok... I feel sorry for you.

Maybe keep trying with the phone#? I did not ordered anything from them before, but I did contact them several times, regarding to some product information. Never got the communication as u described, as their staff were quite helpful.

Best luck! :)

[It'sMeMeMe]

well my experiences with san diego badminton were nice for the most part.


bought my at800 of and cab30ms from them at separate times.. also 30 pack grap and bout 10 strings of various types.



the at800 off was no problem but the cab30ms was sent to the wrong address.... to my old address

yes between the armortec and carbonex purchase i moved apartments and i already updated my account to the new address before i order the carbonex..

but they send the carbonex to the old address

well lucky for me the new tenant on the old address didn't accept the package or else.... i wouldn't receive it at all and imagine if i come to UPS asking them where the hell is my package !!!!


i emailed mike that guy bout the incident but apparently no reply at all until now... which is already more than 1 year now....

i probably like his free t-shirt with the armortec purchase but well

this send-me-wrong-address thing got me mad because of the no-reply.....even after repeated inquiry email and phone....

other than that i would really buy from them again actually coz they have pretty complete selections of stuff compared to others here in north america area......
regards....

[xflubb]

again...no problems with badminton.net...

[mtnbf]

I would not recommend badminton.net. My personal experience wit them has not been satisfactory. They did not string the racket to the correct tension. I did not receive my free item in the shipment and they refused to answer all emails after the sale.

[bluejeff]

Well, how about give them a call? that might help.

[AMRaider]

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with them. I have bought grips, string, and birdies (no clothing or racketss) from them in the past and never had any problems.

[A_F]

I have bought numerous items from San Diego Badminton Supply for probably 8 years at least. Never had any problems whatsoever.

[Matt]

I would not recommend badminton.net because I also had a bad experience.

One problem is Mike Walker because he is telling me inconsistant information on a product which I was looking for which he was trying to locate for me on the phone. I took notes at the end of each call so when I called him up next time to follow up, it was slightly different story and when trying to review with him of what we spoke of last time, it's like he did not say that.

The other problem is with him failing to respond to emails - he only responded to two of my emails which is unacceptable. With these two problems, it is poor customer service and will not do business with a company with this kind of reputation.

Luckily I found a different store who found the product I was looking for and did business with them. I can say they responded fast and responded to all my emails.

[slam_w2k]

I brought from Mike over 10 years ago. He is nice to talk to, but he would recommand something may be he is overstocked. I guess you have to be very specific with him or you will received something that's not exactly what you think you are buying. I stopped buying from them and try to buy locally.

[bluejeff]

Summary: This store has been giving me headaches in past two transactions and I would rather pay more and buy elsewhere in the future.

In past two transactions, they made several crucial mistakes. Not notifying me change of prices, product delays, and even shipped me wrong items. (not returnable based on the heavy-weight and they don't reimburse return shipping)

After calling them many times, I gave them another chance on correcting the error by giving me reimbursements on my following order. Then, again, delay without prior notice (I explicitly stated the deadline with them on phone as I have travel plans and Mike promised me that they will meet the deadline for sure) and they also over-charged me, again.

Two consecutive problematic transactions within a month made me wonder if it is worth the trouble to order goods from them again. Mike is a good guy, but he can't seem to remember what he promised on the phone.
"Saying one thing and do another" is the only thing I can describe on the recent shopping experiences with them.

[Lin Dan-Fan]

Just so you guys know , Mike is the coach of the UCSD badminton team. I think it must be some miscommunication because SDBS is very reputable.

[pcoling]

Mike is a Coach and I already KNOW that!!!! but it doesn't mean that he is not a criminal! He is a coach but he is not exempted from criminal liability. San Diego Badminton took money from customers and didn't ship goods that makes the company liable for fraud. Pls. guys help the future customers from becoming VICTIMS!!!...REPORT THIS COMPANY TO THE FBI INTERNET FRAUD AND SHOW THEM THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PAID BUT YOU DIDN'T RECIEVE ANYTHING. WE ARE IN AMERICA NOT IN SOME THIRD WORLD LET OUR GOV'T AGENCIES INVESTIGATE SDBS!!

[Dummey]

Mike is a Coach and I already KNOW that!!!! but it doesn't mean that he is not a criminal! He is a coach but he is not exempted from criminal liability. San Diego Badminton took money from customers and didn't ship goods that makes the company liable for fraud. Pls. guys help the future customers from becoming VICTIMS!!!...REPORT THIS COMPANY TO THE FBI INTERNET FRAUD AND SHOW THEM THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PAID BUT YOU DIDN'T RECIEVE ANYTHING. WE ARE IN AMERICA NOT IN SOME THIRD WORLD LET OUR GOV'T AGENCIES INVESTIGATE SDBS!!

Would you freaken calm down. Mistakes can happen and paper can be lost; if this is an example of how you reacted when you contacted Mike, I can see why progress hasn't been made.

[pcoling]

Dumney,
You better read the start of this thread before you even recomend anything. You don't know that everything that has to be done has already been done. Negotiations, email, etc.

So because of what you replied today I hope you get "cheated on" on your future transactions with any shop so that you will get to know the feeling. The world works in circles so everybody will meet the same fate one day I just hope you meet yours sooner.

[pcoling]

dumney,

and by the way if you get "cheated on" someday whicj i hope would be really soon. Pls. remember about the insensitive letter you wrote on this thread and that Kharma is just around the corner teaching you a lesson.

[Matt]

The comment about Mike being a coach of the UCSD team is irrelevant because it is not related to his unacceptable reputation of SDBS.

[LazyBuddy]

Mike is a Coach and I already KNOW that!!!! but it doesn't mean that he is not a criminal! He is a coach but he is not exempted from criminal liability. San Diego Badminton took money from customers and didn't ship goods that makes the company liable for fraud. Pls. guys help the future customers from becoming VICTIMS!!!...REPORT THIS COMPANY TO THE FBI INTERNET FRAUD AND SHOW THEM THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PAID BUT YOU DIDN'T RECIEVE ANYTHING. WE ARE IN AMERICA NOT IN SOME THIRD WORLD LET OUR GOV'T AGENCIES INVESTIGATE SDBS!!

Let's calm down a bit 1st.

I understand how much frustration you might have, and feel sorry for you, and anyone who experience the same. However, do we really want to pin down anyone (who still has an overall fairly good reputation), just because a rather small % of mistakes? I don't think his mistake is up to a FBI level yet. :rolleyes:

If you experience difficulty to do business with them, try to get your $$$ refund, and never deal with them anymore. SDBS is not like the ebay fake sellers, whose intention is 20000% to cheat and rip ppl for profit. SDBS might have some un-successful business strategy, or their services might not be 100% perfect, but I do think they are still a rather legit. business unit, which serves the badminton community for years.

[ixiaohoui]

Hey guys,

I would first like to apologize for the problems you might have with SDBS. I'm sorry to hear that you have had so many problems with SDBS, and because I work there, I would personally like to help fix this situation. Tomorrow, I'm going to personally call Mike and get to the bottom of this, so that we all find a remedy.

However pcoling, I would first ask that you try to at least try to control your insults. Telling someone that they hope they get ripped off in the future will not get you support, nor will it fix the situation. Dummey is merely trying to tell you that screaming and hurling insults will not fix anything. You're 36 years old, and I would assume that you would act the appropriate age that would solve problems constructively.

As for the other disgruntled customers, I also would like to apologize. Because this is run out of a family shop, orders are occassionally messed up. I would like to vouch for this, because I have screwed up shoe sizes (etc.) before, and I was lucky enough for Mike to be there to catch that. However, I would like you all to trust me in that San Deigo Badminton Supply is NOT a fraudulent site that cheats people out of their money.

If you have any questions or comments, feel free to reply in the thread. However, let me remind you that we should think before typing, lest we post comments that are made only to insult people.

[LazyBuddy]

San Diego Badminton took money from customers and didn't ship goods that makes the company liable for fraud. Pls. guys help the future customers from becoming VICTIMS!!!...REPORT THIS COMPANY TO THE FBI INTERNET FRAUD AND SHOW THEM THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PAID BUT YOU DIDN'T RECIEVE ANYTHING. WE ARE IN AMERICA NOT IN SOME THIRD WORLD LET OUR GOV'T AGENCIES INVESTIGATE SDBS!!

I believe any business (which stands for period of time) will make some honest mistakes once a while. Why? Because we are human, and human do make mistakes. If 1 or a small % of such mistakes will all get FBI involved, I wonder how many (if any) of the business can be labeled as "clean". :p

[LazyBuddy]

The world works in circles so everybody will meet the same fate one day I just hope you meet yours sooner.

Good.

And let me ask you a question, if you ever make a mistake (even though, overall you are a good guy, and the mistake is not intentional), and people wants to bring you to court or even lock you up, what you will think? :eek:

[LazyBuddy]

Hey guys,

I would first like to apologize for the problems you might have with SDBS. I'm sorry to hear that you have had so many problems with SDBS, and because I work there, I would personally like to help fix this situation. Tomorrow, I'm going to personally call Mike and get to the bottom of this, so that we all find a remedy.

However pcoling, I would first ask that you try to at least try to control your insults. Telling someone that they hope they get ripped off in the future will not get you support, nor will it fix the situation. Dummey is merely trying to tell you that screaming and hurling insults will not fix anything. You're 36 years old, and I would assume that you would act the appropriate age that would solve problems constructively.

As for the other disgruntled customers, I also would like to apologize. Because this is run out of a family shop, orders are occassionally messed up. I would like to vouch for this, because I have screwed up shoe sizes (etc.) before, and I was lucky enough for Mike to be there to catch that. However, I would like you all to trust me in that San Deigo Badminton Supply is NOT a fraudulent site that cheats people out of their money.

If you have any questions or comments, feel free to reply in the thread. However, let me remind you that we should think before typing, lest we post comments that are made only to insult people.

Very well said! I am so glad that SDBS hires such responsible ppl to help out the business, and further proved SDBS in reputable business firm. ;) Hope all the trouble going to be resolved in no time! :)

[pcoling]

Hey Lazybuddy,
I just want you to know that up to today May 10, 2006 (10 months after) Mike never send back my Yonex replacement shirt and shorts due to wrong size and Mike never refunded my credit card despite my emails for him to refund my money. The order no. 1776 was made since July 29,2005. Now tell me Lazy buddy what do you call the Actions of Mike?

No return emails, not answering his phone so why wouldn't I report this matter to the FBI. For your information the FBI is very serious on arresting people who commit internet fraud. Taking a customers money without sending goods or refunding money is a criminal offense. I'm not hurling insults at Mike. I'm describing the actions of Mike to me as Fraud, and as a victim I have to report Mike Walker to the FBI Internet Fraud Center unless he refunds my hard earned US$58 plus interest soon. I'm also calling the attention of other victims of Mike Walker to step out and report this matter to FBI Internet fraud center. The more victims the better for the FBI to start investigating. And for your info Mr.Lazybuddy you are aiding and abating a SUSPECT.

[pcoling]

Hey LazyBuddy,

ANd if ever I made a mistake like Mike, and my customer write me countless emails for refund. I will refund them their money and I would apologize for the mistake I've done. But 10 months after my order to SDBS since last July 29,2005 up to today May 10, 2006 I have NOT YET RECEIVE MY REFUND AND NEVER AN APOLOGY LETTER from Mike Walker.

[pcoling]

Hey ixiaohoui,

Let us see if your word is as good as your action. Since you work for SBDS...I'm glad I got your attention already. On Oct.1, 2005 I returned the wrong sized yonex shirt and shorts to SBDS and at 2:15pm, a guy named David Ogata received the items from the EMS courier. Pls. tell Mike I don't want my replacement yonex shirt and shorts anymore. I want a refund of US$57.95 plus interest credited back to my credit card. You can check my file under order No.1776 since JULY 29, 2005. You can post an email directly to me also if you really want to help me. Check my file for my business email. Tell Mike "Crime does not pay" and I want my hard earned money plus interest back soon.

[pcoling]

ixiaohoui,

Dummey told me to "FREAKing Clam Down!" I'm not Freak! I'm the victim here..I'm the victim of Mike Walker who took my money and didn't ship the goods and never refunded my money despite mu so so numerous emails to him. I'm the victoim, so tell a victim that he is a freak or Kharma might pay you a visit. Now you understand?

pcoling

[LazyBuddy]

Hey Lazybuddy,
I just want you to know that up to today May 10, 2006 (10 months after) Mike never send back my Yonex replacement shirt and shorts due to wrong size and Mike never refunded my credit card despite my emails for him to refund my money. The order no. 1776 was made since July 29,2005. Now tell me Lazy buddy what do you call the Actions of Mike?

No return emails, not answering his phone so why wouldn't I report this matter to the FBI. For your information the FBI is very serious on arresting people who commit internet fraud. Taking a customers money without sending goods or refunding money is a criminal offense. I'm not hurling insults at Mike. I'm describing the actions of Mike to me as Fraud, and as a victim I have to report Mike Walker to the FBI Internet Fraud Center unless he refunds my hard earned US$58 plus interest soon. I'm also calling the attention of other victims of Mike Walker to step out and report this matter to FBI Internet fraud center. The more victims the better for the FBI to start investigating. And for your info Mr.Lazybuddy you are aiding and abating a SUSPECT.

Ok, ok... 1st, I am not taking side, and I mentioned in my previous post(s) that I feel sorry for your frustration and un-satisfied purchase experience.

What I can NOT take from some of your previous posts, is the fact you seems trying to bring on an endless debate, and try to fight through anything, when there's still possible better solutions around. Such methods might be include:

1. More email and phone calls. With my own experience, it's not like Mission Impossible to get them on the phone. Of couse, it's quite a hassel and annoying, but we want to solve the problem, instead of creating even more, right?

2. Give them alternate solution regarding to the purchase. If exchange is not an option, refund (cash or store credit) or exchange for other goods might be a quick turn around. Of course, it's not a perfect solution, but better than shouting.

3. Contact credit card company and stop payment - might not available after certain period of time, though.


And again, I am not trying to start a fight, but after read your recent replies, I have to say:

1. All of all, we only heard your 1 sided story. You claim that SDBS is reponsible for all the fault, but we don't know the hard fact, and SDBS never gets a chance to define themselves.

2. I have to say, I am getting more and more disappointed in your replies. At the very beginning, I felt very sorry for you, and try to provide some help, even I have nothing to do with your business. Now, I wonder the "unhappy" ending might partially because your attitude as well. Who wants to deal with guy shouting and screaming everyday, and once an agreement is not reached (or, not favorable to his side), he will jump on to threaten, rather than solving the already there mess.

3. Sure, in theory, even if anyone takes a penny from you (even un-intentional) might be a crime. However, if that, I am sure every single person, every single business owner are already in jail, simply because no one is perfect. None of us could be perfect even for a 24-hr period. So, your idea of "solve" problem can only draw laugh from me and many others. Please, show "how tough" you are is not going to scare off others, but give yourself less support and more trouble. :mad:

[LazyBuddy]

I'm not Freak! I'm the victim here..

Can we put away the "victim mask" for a second??? This is exactly why the lawyers gain tons of business, and ruined everything. People do make mistakes, a lot of mistakes... We are not perfect, even including yourself. Ok, SDBS own you $58, but do you know much how damage ($$$ and reputation) you did to them, with your insult??? Come on, give them a break.

ixiaohoui is nice enough to provide help, but you still going after him/her without even say "thanks". Now, I really wonder why and why this matter does not get resolved... :eek:

[LazyBuddy]

The comment about Mike being a coach of the UCSD team is irrelevant because it is not related to his unacceptable reputation of SDBS.

Hold this one back, buddy.

From when on, SDBS' reputation become "unacceptable"??? :cool: To my knowledge, they are fairly reputable, and most of the transactions are fairly smooth. :rolleyes:

[pcoling]

Hey Lazybuddy,

Firstly, talking to you is like talking to a broken record. You just keep on repeating the same stuff. I believe you have a motive different than what you are saying but I will answer your letter again. I've already done your recomendation number 1 and 2 until november of 2005. And for the the nth time I already told you that I don't get any answer or reply to my calls and emails. It's like talking to the dead. Your number 3 recomendatation is answered by yourself already. If you sincerely want to help why don't you email them a or call them and tell them in your nice and easy manner to refund my money plus interest. Then we'll talk again. Thank you.

But personally I think it is obvious this thread is not meant for you coz you were never a victim of SBDS. And it is also very obvious that you are on the side of SBDS even though you say you aren't. Pls. read your own letter again if it isn't that obvious to yourself yet. Again I want to say that I have complete documents and evidence to prove that I'm been defrauded. That is why I'm not afraid to be investigated by the FBI internet fraud center. I also want to make things clear that I'm not after your pity or support.This thread is meant for those VICTIMIZED BY SBDS TO COME TOGETHER FOR AN EVEN STRONGER CASE AGAINST SBDS. What I'm after is justice from an arbitraty governing body like the LAW to do the investigation so it is not biased. We will respect the decision of this Investigative body if it cite SBDS not guilty but if Guity then SBDS will have to take the consequences. You are an engineer you should know that you didn't become an engineer by just graduating yourself from college right? It is a government body that certified and licensed you to become an engineer.(if you really are an engineer) Anyway don't feel sorry for me but feel sorry for yourself because you never GOT the whole purpose of this thread. I started this thread so pls. re read it from the start who it was intended for so if you don't mind just keep your opinion & emotion to yourself.

Secondly, with regards to "ixiaohoui", I will thank him sincerely if he has done something already. For now, I believe his reactions are of a protective nature which is to protect his boss. But I assure you I will thank him if he does something.

[pcoling]

www.badminton.net (http://www.badminton.net) is a fairly reputable company to my knowledge. I think there's might be mis-communication somewhere in between. Instead of waiting for email, maybe place a direct phone call to them instead? :rolleyes:

As I recall you are the first to come to the defense of SDBS..so pls. don't be a hypocrite and say that you are Not taking sides.

[pcoling]

Hold this one back, buddy.

From when on, SDBS' reputation become "unacceptable"??? :cool: To my knowledge, they are fairly reputable, and most of the transactions are fairly smooth. :rolleyes:

Hey LazyBuddy,

"Hold this one back", buddy?" spoken like a true LAWYER, may I ask if this is the same lawyer that you are despising on your letter to me a few threads back?:confused:

LAZYBUDDY, IM OFFICIALLY AND FORMALLY ASKING YOU TO RESTRICT YOURSELF FOR COMENTING ON THIS THREAD DUE TO YOUR OBVIOUS PARTIALITY. THANK YOU. YOUR CONTINUED INSISTENCE TO GIVE YOUR UNSOLICITED COMMENTS WILL FURTHER MAKE OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE COVERING UP THE SIN OF SBDS SO PLS. REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING ON THIS THREAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

[Matt]

Hold this one back, buddy.

From when on, SDBS' reputation become "unacceptable"??? :cool: To my knowledge, they are fairly reputable, and most of the transactions are fairly smooth. :rolleyes:

They became unacceptable to me when Mike Walker told me inconsistant information and failing to reply to my emails. I mentioned this in post 19 here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=350243&postcount=19).

Would you call SDBS reputable for this kind of experience?

[pcoling]

Can we put away the "victim mask" for a second??? This is exactly why the lawyers gain tons of business, and ruined everything. People do make mistakes, a lot of mistakes... We are not perfect, even including yourself. Ok, SDBS own you $58, but do you know much how damage ($$$ and reputation) you did to them, with your insult??? Come on, give them a break.

ixiaohoui is nice enough to provide help, but you still going after him/her without even say "thanks". Now, I really wonder why and why this matter does not get resolved... :eek:

LAZYbUDDY,

What insult are you talking about? We are only talking about facts here. The real incident that happened.

Matters aren't getting resolve is not because of me but because Mike Walker did not ship theyonex shirt and shorts and still haven't refunded my payment plus interest. It's obvious to everyone except you.:eek:

SDBS is going down because of cheating and very poor management as his staff self confessed that it is run as family type of business.

[snoopy]

SDBS is going down because of cheating and very poor management as his staff self confessed that it is run as family type of business.


many companies are run as a family business, being a family business does not make it a bad thing.I know of many family run companies that are run very well and provide a good service.

if i was you, i would wait and see what help ixiaohoui can have. If good will is shown and matters are sorted out then great all problems sloved.

Its comming across in this thread that you are very bitter about what has happened, and thats understandable. this said, to me you are not coming across in a good light in the way you are posting towards other members. the little comments like wishing bad onto other's isnt good.

[LazyBuddy]

As I recall you are the first to come to the defense of SDBS..so pls. don't be a hypocrite and say that you are Not taking sides.

Holy... I think I received more of the "finger pointing" than SDBS now. :cool:

I said I am not taking side is strictly toward the fact of your transaction, which regarding to the business point of view. Like I metioned before, since we only heard a 1 sided story from you (mr. victim), I don't want to jump into a conclusion as who's right or who's wrong.

Sure, I am taking side later on, because personally, I can't take the way you try to "resolve" a problem. To me, it's only going to make things worse, rather than solve with a positive and respectful manner. I am taking side, on your behavior, but still not the $$$ part. Even as for now, I still hope you can get the issue resolved, either receive your products, or $$$ refund.

[LazyBuddy]

LAZYbUDDY,

What insult are you talking about? We are only talking about facts here. The real incident that happened.

Matters aren't getting resolve is not because of me but because Mike Walker did not ship theyonex shirt and shorts and still haven't refunded my payment plus interest. It's obvious to everyone except you.:eek:

SDBS is going down because of cheating and very poor management as his staff self confessed that it is run as family type of business.

Real incident does happen, but it's not DOWN to you to make a judgement who's right or who's wrong. Say you bring the issue to the court, still down to the judge to see whether it's a legit case. Spreading mis-leading information in public is an insult for sure, regardless you have 2000 reasons behind it or not.

And still, I don't understand why a family type of business is bad? :cool:

[LazyBuddy]

They became unacceptable to me when Mike Walker told me inconsistant information and failing to reply to my emails. I mentioned this in post 19 here (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=350243&postcount=19).

Would you call SDBS reputable for this kind of experience?

Ok. Reputation means the general feedback from public, not your own experience, or a small group.

I don't think there ever could be 1 company never receive complains, or even 1 person could be loveable by everyone in the world. Therefore, every company is bad? Every individual should be nailed down? Of course not. We have to judge the overall "reputable" from a fairly large pool, not just 1 or 2 individual cases. :rolleyes:

[LazyBuddy]

LAZYBUDDY, IM OFFICIALLY AND FORMALLY ASKING YOU TO RESTRICT YOURSELF FOR COMENTING ON THIS THREAD DUE TO YOUR OBVIOUS PARTIALITY. THANK YOU. YOUR CONTINUED INSISTENCE TO GIVE YOUR UNSOLICITED COMMENTS WILL FURTHER MAKE OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE COVERING UP THE SIN OF SBDS SO PLS. REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING ON THIS THREAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Mr. Victim,

Should I get some agency to "bring you down", since you take away my freedom for speech (which I believe is much serious than US$58 case)???

Sir, this is a public forum. If I have different ideas than yours, I can surely speak it out. Should I always shouting "pcoling long long life" in order to continue to post? :D

[LazyBuddy]

Firstly, talking to you is like talking to a broken record. You just keep on repeating the same stuff.

Thank you for give me another nick name. Speaking to you, is like to speaking to a bully, whose eye is red, filled up with anger, and just run run run without listen to any advice.

If you come here seaking for help, I am more than willing to contribute my knowledge (might or might not work for your case, though), and share my experience. If you come here just try to fight to release your frustration and show "who's the boss/tough guy", well, guess I will just quit. Not because I am scared of anyone, but this "someone" simply refuses to listen. :mad:

[pcoling]

Mike Walker still owes me US$57.95 plus interest since July 29, 2005 up to today May 11, 2006 he still hasn't refunded my money. I'm still waiting for his refund to my credit card. I'm no longer interested to in what SDBS is selling. I only want my money plus interest refunded back to my credit card ASAP.

I'm in logistic business and I'm currently abroad opening a liason office, I travel the world a lot and I'm currently using an ISP from another country.

Below is a letter from his staff " ixiaohoui" who refused to identify his real name to me, he apologized and promised to help but to cut the long story short I still didn't get my money back. He accused me of many things (like a liar) which I find absurd coz it has no relevance to Mike Walker responsibility to refund my money. Pls. read his private message to me below carefully, its really quite funny coz I have told Mike Walker for almost 8 months already that I want my US$57.95 refunded back to my credit card and now I'm being told again to email him to refund my money back??? This is getting too redundant.

Mike Walker can either refund me US$57.95 plus interest or not refund me. Right now he has my money & admited in the letter below that he has the goods still with him for 10 months already. I am formally asking Mike to refund my money thru this thread so anyone who knew will inform him that I'm letting the whole world know that I want a full refund of US$57.95 plus interest. So what should MIKE do now?

Pls. read the letter below to fully understand the situation.

Hello Philip,

I called Mike early this afternoon, and he picked up immediately. After telling him your situation, he said that the only guy he remembers is someone from the Philippenes. At the time, I didn't check my private messages, and I didn't give him your name. I checked later and told him, and said you're that guy.

Now on to what actually happened. I would assume that you called SDBS when it was convenient for you, but know that we are a couple hours ahead, and we might be already closed. Mike said that he sent out the correct clothing after we received the wrong sized ones, but it was returned sometime later. I can only assume that you weren't home when the package arrived. As of now, he has credit for $57.95 in your name. If you want, email him or call him to get a full refund. However, I cannot guarantee interest nor getting a refund. I only promised to call Mike and find a solution.

As for you, I warn you not to use empty threats such as meaningless quotes from police movies that you see on television. I may be 19 years old, but in my humble opinion, I have far more mature, based on the heated forum that was thankfully closed before it got out of hand. I offered to help and have done so. By the way, don't lie and say you're from California, your email is pcoling@pldtdsl.net. That stands for Philippenes Long Distance Telephone, which parallels with what Mike told me.

I consider my part done and the rest in your hands: whether you want to buy something with the $57.95 credit or get a complete refund is entirely up to you. I will not give you my full name because it is unecessary for the solution to this meaningless problem. Good luck.

P.S. - I suggest you use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation when communicating. It actually makes what you're trying to say much more legitimate.

[event]

P.S. - I suggest you use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation when communicating. It actually makes what you're trying to say much more legitimate.Wow that's cheeky for a nineteen-year-old from an English-speaking country who can't spell Philippines correctly, who thinks you can use the adjective mature as a complement to the transitive verb have, and who thinks legitimacy can be achieved through punctuation.
in my humble opinion, I have far more mature, based on the heated forum that was thankfully closed before it got out of hand.And he called your problem "meaningless"!

[kwun]

pcoling,

i think you have made your point. it is now between you and SDBS to sort it out. there are more official channels to resolve this kind of dispute.