Is the VRC worth it for a teen?

[J.T.M.X.]

Newbie on BC here. Hi guys!

Been wondering about the VRC. What kind of teen player is it really for? I know the membership fee isn't really steep in comparison to other clubs, but it's not really peanuts for a highschooler. What kind of facilities to they have?

[cappy75]

Hey JTMX,

Welcome to BF! Glad to know your interest in VRC. For more details about the club, you should go on their website at www.vrc.bc.ca (http://www.vrc.bc.ca/) and also check out previous threads on VRC. Just from reading the older threads, you'll find out alot about our club. Happy reading;)!

[J.T.M.X.]

Thanks for the suggestion! Probably not going to join, though the club looks good.

[cappy75]

No problem. If you're used to higher standard of play in Singapore, VRC is the only affordable alternative outside of the other private clubs. Community centers have some very good players, but they stick to their own group most of the time. Also, be aware that C.C. facilities are not geared towards the sport. When you tire from playing in the C.C., give VRC a try;).

[badelbow]

There is properby still a waiting list to join VRC Junior Membership!
VRC is a non profit club as general memberships "pay" part of the Junior Training program by giving up their court times for junior Trainings.
You may not find a better facility in Vancouver. VRC has produced many of the National Top Ranking Juniors from U12s to U19s


Thanks for the suggestion! Probably not going to join, though the club looks good.

[Pete LSD]

And the credit doesn't go to the head coach - cough and spit :p .


There is properby still a waiting list to join VRC Junior Membership!
VRC is a non profit club as general memberships "pay" part of the Junior Training program by giving up their court times for junior Trainings.
You may not find a better facility in Vancouver. VRC has produced many of the National Top Ranking Juniors from U12s to U19s

[badrad]

And the credit doesn't go to the head coach - cough and spit :p .no... but the credit is gladly taken by that same head coach...

[Winex West Can]

no... but the credit is gladly taken by that same head coach...

Tsk, tsk, you guys...he's been doing it for years and no one had said anything about it to him so why would he stop?

After all if someone did, he can always point to his "Coach of the Year" award (choke, gag, etc.) and go "hey, I'm da Man!" :D

[604badder]

Tsk, tsk, you guys...he's been doing it for years and no one had said anything about it to him so why would he stop?

After all if someone did, he can always point to his "Coach of the Year" award (choke, gag, etc.) and go "hey, I'm da Man!" :D


Do you guys see a "Clear" exodus/defection of junior players from VRC across the Fraser river to a certain facility? :confused: :confused: Because if JTMX is looking for primarily training, he may consider that place instead.

[Pete LSD]

Yes, lots of juniors goes to "you know where" to train and still retains their junior membership at VRC :D . The very thought of the head coach really disgust me.


Do you guys see a "Clear" exodus/defection of junior players from VRC across the Fraser river to a certain facility? :confused: :confused: Because if JTMX is looking for primarily training, he may consider that place instead.

[Pete LSD]

Yes, the guy ate it so to speak :p .


no... but the credit is gladly taken by that same head coach...

[J.T.M.X.]

Ok, I'm missing something. What's with the head coach?

[wing-omega5-0]

dey all sound like they're talking about c1....XD. honestly i'm not getting wut they're saying either.
JTMX u say ur teen? wut skool/age/lvl of play are u at?

[flyingbird007]

MING at VRC is a good coach I would say, having won his olympic championship and have been putting full time commitment in coaching perhaps should have been developing lots of national players for Canada and VRC. Unfortunately, the "Head Coach" at VRC himself, who never does much of the teaching, and the kids that went through his program never actually get anything out them or minimum, and he is the one that get all the credit and get away with it when a kid success because of someone else coaching. When I heard of MING situation, I felt really bad for him. And this situation has been going on for more than 15 years, and Calvin got all the credit that other coaches should be the one that deserve.

So my suggestion to you is boy and all you "teenager boys" out there, if you are seriously into badminton, you should not go to VRC and taking the teen badminton program because you won't get anything out of them and it is just wasting your parents money. My recommendation that Dariel at "Clear One" has done a great deal of commitment into coaching and that is one place you can go to and you kids will learn a lot of stuffs and you can be more successful in badminton, and if that is your goal. I also recognized out there are many other good coach who are willing to spend the time with you kids and you will learn a lot more than going to take lesson with Calvin at VRC.

For VRC, there need to be a replacement. VRC need to build back its own reputation and that MING should get some of the credit that he deserves. So boy, if you are interested in private lesson, you should either go to Dariel or MING at VRC for private lesson, but recommended not to take the group/private Lesson with Calvin, because you will be just wasting your money and time. Honestly, Calvin techniques is very old fashioned, outdated, and very very low compared to the asian or european standard. If Calvin is so great, why don't we have any canadian players going to the Olympic Games for single or even passing the 2nd round in the Olympic Games.

There are some rubbish coaches out there that you kids need to be awared of, and finding the right coach, will guarantee your success and enjoyment of the badminton sports and make good use of your money.



Newbie on BC here. Hi guys!

Been wondering about the VRC. What kind of teen player is it really for? I know the membership fee isn't really steep in comparison to other clubs, but it's not really peanuts for a highschooler. What kind of facilities to they have?

[madbad]

I smell a lawsuit coming

[badrad]

Essentially the assistant coaches at the VRC have higher skill and qualifications than their head coach. The problem with seeing them perform their job is like watching a any unenthusiastic employee working at any other job. They have lost their passion for teaching their skills, and in fact - they would prefer not to teach their techniques. In other words, they remind me of workers that are simply collecting a paycheck because they no longer believe in the company they work for...

if you have ever watched them coach, most times they are bored totally out of their skulls. compare that to C1/2 coachs who are all dedicated and passionate.

sad...

[Winex West Can]

Essentially the assistant coaches at the VRC have higher skill and qualifications than their head coach. The problem with seeing them perform their job is like watching a any unenthusiastic employee working at any other job. They have lost their passion for teaching their skills, and in fact - they would prefer not to teach their techniques. In other words, they remind me of workers that are simply collecting a paycheck because they no longer believe in the company they work for...

if you have ever watched them coach, most times they are bored totally out of their skulls. compare that to C1/2 coachs who are all dedicated and passionate.

sad...

Since VRC is a non-profit organization that is run by an elected board of directors ;), isn't it possible to turn this situation around. I know that the two Chinese coaches (Ming and the other one) are chomping at moving if an opportunity arise.

I know of folks who wouldn't join VRC mainly because of the head coach (I'm one :D)

[Pete LSD]

Everything comes down to incentive. I don't see how Coach Ming will put his heart into teaching with the current restriction.

[dosun]

Hey everyone, I'm thinking of joining VRC too, but I'm having the same dilemma as everyone else (head coach). I'm quite low in the waiting list, mid-60s I think (junior), and supposedly, if the coach gets his way, he can move people down or move people up. I am wondering if anyone knows how it works or anything because I want to get into VRC asap (all my friends go there). And I totally agree with everyone else, take groups lessons at C1/C2. From what I've seen, the C1/C2 lessons look like more fun and the students actually learn (people actually go UP a level :eek:).

[event]

MING at VRC is a good coach I would say, having won his olympic championship"Ming" sounds like a Chinese name. There have only been two male Chinese champions in Olympic history: Zhang Jun and Ji Xinpeng. I'm willing to bet that the only Olympic champion in Vancouver right now is Kim Dong-moon and I hear he's never been to the VRC. If you want anyone to put any stock in what you say, try posting it minus the B.S.

[wood_22_chuck]

From VRC's website, his credentials are:

Ximing Yao

* 2005 World Masters Mens Doubles Champion 45+
* 2002 World Masters Mens Doubles Champion
* 2000 Canadian Masters Doubles 40+ Champion
* 1999 Canadian Masters Doubles 35+ & 40+Champion
* 1998 Portland Nike World Master Doubles 35+ & 40+ Champion
* 1996 Canadian Masters Doubles 35+ & 40+ Champion
* 1995 Canadian Masters Singles 35+ Champion
* 1986 US Open Doubles Champion
* 1980/83 Chinese National Doubles Champion
* 1982 Asia Games Champion
* 1982 Thomas Cup Champion
* 1981 World Games Doubles Champion

-dave

[badrad]

But have you noticed that absolutely NO-WHERE in any VRC documentation credits him with ANY junior achievements! While the head coach has produced 65 Canadian Junior Titles (from the VRC website). So really, what is any good about these assistant coaches - they have absolutely NO coaching acheivements to claim!!!


From VRC's website, his credentials are:

Ximing Yao

* 2005 World Masters Mens Doubles Champion 45+
* 2002 World Masters Mens Doubles Champion
* 2000 Canadian Masters Doubles 40+ Champion
* 1999 Canadian Masters Doubles 35+ & 40+Champion
* 1998 Portland Nike World Master Doubles 35+ & 40+ Champion
* 1996 Canadian Masters Doubles 35+ & 40+ Champion
* 1995 Canadian Masters Singles 35+ Champion
* 1986 US Open Doubles Champion
* 1980/83 Chinese National Doubles Champion
* 1982 Asia Games Champion
* 1982 Thomas Cup Champion
* 1981 World Games Doubles Champion

-dave

[wood_22_chuck]

I understand the head coach has influence in VRC and VRC publications.

Maybe some enterprising VRC-ian can start a thread (or add to this one) paying tribute to the unsung assistant coaches. There must be some Jrs which has risen through the ranks under Ming's/Xian's charge, but not getting any honor mention.

Merely a suggestion.

-dave

[badrad]

I understand the head coach has influence in VRC and VRC publications.

Maybe some enterprising VRC-ian can start a thread (or add to this one) paying tribute to the unsung assistant coaches. There must be some Jrs which has risen through the ranks under Ming's/Xian's charge, but not getting any honor mention.

Merely a suggestion.

-daveintimidation - it will be easier said than done. current juniors will not speak up for fear of losing their playing privileges, and fear of retribution when it comes to seeding and tournament placement. the assistant coaches will fear for their jobs - there's still not much activity in Canada that will offer them what they are currently paid.
former juniors - well, if they haven't spoken up by now, they really don't have the guts to admit it at all!

[Pete LSD]

The guy/gal probably got it wrong unintentionally :). Coach Ming used to coach at OCBC but his wifey pulled him out of L.A. due to the amount of driving from one place to another. From what I heard, his ex-partner stayed at OCBC.


"Ming" sounds like a Chinese name. There have only been two male Chinese champions in Olympic history: Zhang Jun and Ji Xinpeng. I'm willing to bet that the only Olympic champion in Vancouver right now is Kim Dong-moon and I hear he's never been to the VRC. If you want anyone to put any stock in what you say, try posting it minus the B.S.

[wood_22_chuck]

I'm having a hard time gauging how badrad really feels about this topic. Are you actually saying you're not a fan of the head coach?

I am so dead the next time we're on court together.

-dave

[event]

The guy/gal probably got it wrong unintentionally :). Coach Ming used to coach at OCBC but his wifey pulled him out of L.A. due to the amount of driving from one place to another. From what I heard, his ex-partner stayed at OCBC.Fair enough. I was a little harsh. Another thread started by same member calls Ming a world olympic champion. His credentials look fine as they are and everyone here is vouching for his coaching ability, which is more important anyway. Hence, I don't see the need for embellishments that are so easily proven false.

[cooler]

i prefer people tell it like it is, with all the guts and bloods. If we want badminton to prosper, we need expose the dead woods and let anyone compete on merit. I didnt find any BS said by flyingbird007

[badrad]

I'm having a hard time gauging how badrad really feels about this topic. Are you actually saying you're not a fan of the head coach?

I am so dead the next time we're on court together.

-davefor those that know me and the family, you will know this issue runs very deep and personal. there is a lot of bad blood here. but it's refreshing for me to hear everyone else's take on this.

[Pete LSD]

He is a fine coach but getting old - joints and muscles. I feel very sorry for him having to stand the B.S. that the head coach throws around for more than fifteen years. Talk about life wasted!!! This should be a classic organizational behaviour case study for the business undergraduates :D.


Fair enough. I was a little harsh. Another thread started by same member calls Ming a world olympic champion. His credentials look fine as they are and everyone here is vouching for his coaching ability, which is more important anyway. Hence, I don't see the need for embellishments that are so easily proven false.

[event]

i prefer people tell it like it is, with all the guts and bloods. If we want badminton to prosper, we need expose the dead woods and let anyone compete on merit. I didnt find any BS said by flyingbird007Well, fine, it's just me being pedantic. I am protesting at calling someone with already fine credentials an Olympic champion when everyone knows that isn't true. Badminton wasn't even in the Olympics 15 years ago. Tell it like it is - sure. But this is clearly a case of telling part of it like it isn't. It just so happens that flyingbird's claims have been more or less backed up by other members of this forum. Were that not the case, having provably false embellishments in the posting would have given people unfamiliar with the situation reason to doubt. I've already admitted that calling it BS was harsh.

[CanuckBur]

:) Yes, the C2 Advanced lessons are a lot of fun. The coaches are very good at their jobs. They also have one Chinese-Indonesian coach (immigrated to Canada six months ago, I think).

[acolyte]

Calvin-too many stories
Ming- I've heard that he plays better than teaching
Wow, we're really sort of off topic, but anyways, i think that if you really like to play badminton, its worth joining the club

[dosun]

:) Yes, the C2 Advanced lessons are a lot of fun. The coaches are very good at their jobs. They also have one Chinese-Indonesian coach (immigrated to Canada six months ago, I think).
Do you take lessons there?

[CanuckBur]

Do you take lessons there?

Yes, I did. I will be going back to take their private lessons.

[dosun]

Yes, I did. I will be going back to take their private lessons.

Cool!! Which class are you in?
Btw, correction to make, Ronne *the coach at C2* is Indonesian. He was the assistant coach of the Indonesian National team. Another piece of info, he knows Taufik Hidayat personally.

[wing-omega5-0]

oh snap! he knows taufik...XD

[CanuckBur]

Cool!! Which class are you in?
Btw, correction to make, Ronne *the coach at C2* is Indonesian. He was the assistant coach of the Indonesian National team. Another piece of info, he knows Taufik Hidayat personally.

He was an assistant coach of the national team? That's incredible. I met him once. He said he was a Chinese Indonesian. He also said he came here six months ago. I guess I misinterpreted that he immigrated here six months ago. I took the adult advanced lesson. Our instructor was Darryl. I heard a rumor that the Indonesian coach has a long waiting list of people who try to take private lessons from him.

[dosun]

Well, I'm not surprised. He seems to be a really good coach, if he weren't, Darryl wouldn't hire him. I was very surprised when I heard he knew Taufik. My eyes bugged -----------> :eek:

[black_knight006]

Cool!! Which class are you in?
Btw, correction to make, Ronne *the coach at C2* is Indonesian. He was the assistant coach of the Indonesian National team. Another piece of info, he knows Taufik Hidayat personally.

Haha...nice name drop! Taufik has been my favourite badminton player since before 2004...anyone who knows or is associated with Taufik is a demi-god in my mind:p

[dosun]

Lol, I think Taufik's great and all, but my loyalty is with Lin Dan cuz he's so cool :D

[black_knight006]

Lol, I think Taufik's great and all, but my loyalty is with Lin Dan cuz he's so cool :D

Haha...in some ways yes and in some ways no. Taufik is the reigning "darth vader" of the badminton world. And god knows who will take his place after Beijing in 2008 and he retires. Anywho...Taufik has a reputation that precedes him. And Taufik does have more titles under his belt, and he also doesn't have the embarassment factor of being knocked out in the first round by a non-seeded player:p

[dosun]

but but but....ummm...Lin Dan has cooler action shots!!! :p

[CanuckBur]

Taufik has solid mindset in the badminton games. He has an excellent backhand.

I think it is the other way around; Lin Dan participated in more games and gained more titles than Taufik. Taufik, however, got the Olympic and the World Championships. I have to agree that Lin Dan has many cool actions, more than Lin Chong Wei and Taufik.

[dosun]

W00T!!! hehehe, a supporter!!! if u live in B.C. and get a copy of the 'province', there's a shot of him doing a jump smash -----------> PERFECT form :eek:....but...i guess he has to eh?
and wat's with that grip of his? it's half-ripped....weird....if it makes him play that well maybe i should do that :D

[acolyte]

the title of this topic should be mroe like..C1/C2 trainer blah...XD

[mercy]

There is properby still a waiting list to join VRC Junior Membership!
VRC is a non profit club as general memberships "pay" part of the Junior Training program by giving up their court times for junior Trainings.
You may not find a better facility in Vancouver. VRC has produced many of the National Top Ranking Juniors from U12s to U19s
we are actually none profit? mmmhhhhh dunno about that one lol

mings a nice guy but i like sian better shes friendly ^^ then agian i like mings song better rofl friendly too

but well dont know why some ppl dont like calvin hes alrite i mean stubborn but alrite

and billy's great ^^

[rawr1292]

how much is it to rent a court at vrc?
and can i still rent a court even though i'm not a member?:confused:

[Pete LSD]

The courts are not for rental.


how much is it to rent a court at vrc?
and can i still rent a court even though i'm not a member?:confused:

[Pete LSD]

Yes, VRC is a non-profit club.


we are actually none profit? mmmhhhhh dunno about that one lol

mings a nice guy but i like sian better shes friendly ^^ then agian i like mings song better rofl friendly too

but well dont know why some ppl dont like calvin hes alrite i mean stubborn but alrite

and billy's great ^^

[azn_123]

the title of this topic should be mroe like..C1/C2 trainer blah...XD

LOL..c2 rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!