View Full Version : Who is the best Ws player in history?



seawell
11-20-2005, 04:30 AM
1:susi susanti

2:li lingwei

3:ye zhaoying

4:han aiping

5:zhang ning

6:gong zhichao

7:Bang Soo Hyun

8:gong ruina

Morten
11-20-2005, 06:17 AM
I would pick Camilla Martin over Gong ruina... Both have done well winning major tournaments and WC.. But camilla also achieved a silver medal in 2000 and was single european to challenge the chinese wall, sometimes succesfully defeating 4 chinese in a row like she did when she won AE 2002

tutu_h
11-20-2005, 06:56 AM
Susi Susanti vs Camilla Martin
16:0

Susi Susanti Vs Ye Zhaoying
20:11

Susi Susanti vs Zhang Ning
4:1

Susi Susanti vs Gong ZhiChao
4:3

Susi Susanti vs Gong Ruina
1:1 (Susi is 10 years older, so different era)

Susi Susanti vs Bang Soo Hyun
19:6

as for Li Ling Wei and Han Ai Ping, i have no idea
someone correct me if i am wrong

DinkAlot
11-20-2005, 07:55 AM
I don't know much about the past but Zhang Ning has to be the best in the last few years. :D

seawell
11-20-2005, 08:38 AM
Lingwei LI 2 - 0 Susi SUSANTI


Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score
1989 All England 1989
ENGLAND Gold Medal Final LI 11-8 11-4
1989 Japan Open 1989 (I)
JAPAN Quarter-Finals LI 11-7 11-6

Aiping HAN 1 - 1 Susi SUSANTI



Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score

Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score
1989 Grand Prix Finals 1989 (IR)
SINGAPORE TEAM HAN 12-10 11-12 11-5
1989 World Cup 1989 (IR)
P. R. OF CHINA TEAM SUSANTI 5-11 4-11

seawell
11-20-2005, 08:43 AM
I would pick Camilla Martin over Gong ruina... Both have done well winning major tournaments and WC.. But camilla also achieved a silver medal in 2000 and was single european to challenge the chinese wall, sometimes succesfully defeating 4 chinese in a row like she did when she won AE 2002

8: tang jiuhng ,Tang over Camilla Martin .She won WC,AE,WORLD CUP & World grand prix finals!

Syaoran_Style
11-20-2005, 03:39 PM
and mia audina ?!!! :confused: :confused:
she's maybe the most talented palyer !! she was in the OG final at 16 y.o ! and was in the national team around 12 13

tutu_h
11-20-2005, 05:04 PM
Lingwei LI 2 - 0 Susi SUSANTI


Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score
1989 All England 1989
ENGLAND Gold Medal Final LI 11-8 11-4
1989 Japan Open 1989 (I)
JAPAN Quarter-Finals LI 11-7 11-6

Aiping HAN 1 - 1 Susi SUSANTI



Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score

Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score
1989 Grand Prix Finals 1989 (IR)
SINGAPORE TEAM HAN 12-10 11-12 11-5
1989 World Cup 1989 (IR)
P. R. OF CHINA TEAM SUSANTI 5-11 4-11

got this result from http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/player_head.asp?firstname1=Susi&lastname1=SUSANTI&firstname2=Aiping&lastname2=HAN
after my second search (1st time was 1:1)

Susi Susanti vs Han Ai Ping
2:1

which is correct?

seawell
11-20-2005, 11:32 PM
got this result from http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/player_head.asp?firstname1=Susi&lastname1=SUSANTI&firstname2=Aiping&lastname2=HAN
after my second search (1st time was 1:1)

Susi Susanti vs Han Ai Ping
2:1

which is correct?

Susi SUSANTI 2 - 1 Aiping HAN
INA National Authority CHN
11 Feb 1971 Date of Birth
Tasik Malaya Place of Birth -
162 Height 0
- Weight -
Right Right/Left Handed Right


Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score
1995 SEA Games 1995 (I)
THAILAND Quarter-Finals SUSANTI 11-3 11-1
Team Tournaments
Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score
1989 Grand Prix Finals 1989 (IR)
SINGAPORE TEAM HAN 10-12 12-11 5-11
1989 World Cup 1989 (IR)
P. R. OF CHINA TEAM SUSANTI 11-5 11-4


1995 SEA Games 1995 ?Han retire in 1989!

seven
11-21-2005, 06:38 AM
Susi Susanti is the best for me! :cool:

Gong Ruina shouldn't be in the list, Mia Audina and Camilla Martin deserve it more than her...

david14700
11-21-2005, 07:21 AM
Susi Susanti is the best overall, no doubt, just look at her records.

Mia Audina may be the most naturally gifted player ever. Didn't she play represent Indonesia against China when she was 13?

Camilla Martin is the best ever European player.

If I had to pick a player with the most courage and determination, it would be Gong Zhichao.

seawell
11-21-2005, 09:27 AM
Susi Susanti is the best for me! :cool:

Gong Ruina shouldn't be in the list, Mia Audina and Camilla Martin deserve it more than her...

Gong Ruina Won WC and AE open ,mia can't!

taufik-ist
11-21-2005, 10:06 AM
Gong Ruina Won WC and AE open ,mia can't!\

mia was former # 1 in 1997 (i forget the month, u can find it in www.worldbadminton.net/rangkings/hystory), gong couldn't

seawell
11-21-2005, 10:23 AM
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mia was former # 1 in 1997 (i forget the month, u can find it in www.worldbadminton.net/rangkings/hystory), gong couldn't

gong was former # 1 in 2003,2004,mia can't!

http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/gethistdetails.asp?rankdd=27&rankmm=5&rankyy=2004&categorycode=WS

http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/gethistdetails.asp?rankdd=2&rankmm=1&rankyy=2003&categorycode=WS



Ruina GONG 5 - 3 Mia AUDINA TJIPTAWAN ~
:D :D :D

Year Tournament & Nation Round Winner Score
2005 YONEX ALL ENGLAND OPEN 2005
ENGLAND 1/16 AUDINA TJIPTAWAN ~ 7-11 5-11
2004 OLYMPIC GAMES 2004
GREECE Semi-Finals AUDINA TJIPTAWAN ~ 4-11 2-11
2004 YONEX OPEN JAPAN 2004
JAPAN Gold Medal Final AUDINA TJIPTAWAN ~ 11-7 7-11 7-11
2004 YONEX ALL ENGLAND OPEN 2004
ENGLAND Semi-Finals GONG 11-7 11-3
2004 SWISS OPEN 2004
SWITZERLAND Gold Medal Final GONG 13-11 11-0
2002 China Open 2002
P. R. OF CHINA Semi-Finals GONG 11-5 11-8
2001 World Championships 2001 (I)
SPAIN Quarter-Finals GONG 6-11 11-8 11-8
2001 All England Open 2001 (I)
ENGLAND 1/16 GONG 10-13 11-6 13-10

seven
11-21-2005, 12:29 PM
No offence to Gong Ruina but her career was much too short IMO to deserve to be in this list.
Her career was too short to actually mark "History".

Mia Audina's career is much more amazing to me, same about Camilla Martin.

This being said Gong Ruina at her best was obviously a really really good player.

LazyBuddy
11-21-2005, 12:51 PM
My pick will go to Susi Susanti for her overall performance. Gong Zhichao is also my favorite choice, but seems her career (peak) is a bit too short. :rolleyes:

Cheung
11-21-2005, 06:12 PM
Man, you guys really do not know your badminton history :p

Look up the titles won by Judy Devlin.

She was talented because she also won titles in doubles.

DinkAlot
11-21-2005, 06:17 PM
Man, you guys really do not know your badminton history :p

I don't, so that's why I'm asking. :D

FEND.
11-21-2005, 07:20 PM
Mmm.

Seems like everyone is just hitting on their favs :p. Correct me if I'm wrong!

DinkAlot
11-21-2005, 07:46 PM
Mmm.

Seems like everyone is just hitting on their favs :p. Correct me if I'm wrong!

Not me, I'm just stating a fact (at least I think). ZN has been in the Final of every tourney she's played in the last 2 years, except 2 or 3 (I think). :D

peace
11-22-2005, 02:19 AM
My choice is Wang Liang Xiang.....(SUSI SUSANTI)......
She is the best......

viver
11-22-2005, 02:32 AM
For WS players, I think Li Lingwei and Susi Susanti are probably the most successful, of course excepting Judy Devlin as stated by Cheung :)

However I loved to watch Han AiPing play very much, Ye ZhaoYing also I loved to see her play. My opinion is, if Ye could control her emotions better she would have been the best, technically she was better than Susi, but Susi was better handling the situations when it mattered.

There's another girl I really like to watch but somehow disappeared all of a sudden: Lee YingSuk(? spelling) from Korea. A young girl of about 17, she came out from nowhere, giving a lot of trouble to every ladies singles players, not only the Chinese but also Susi in the Sudirman cup. Too bad, I think her career was cut short by the then Korean coach :mad: as I never heard/saw her play again. That Sudirman Cup in Jakarta (1989?) against Susi Susanti was the last match I saw her play.

wanalexwan
11-22-2005, 08:21 AM
Hi, i have never seen Han or Li Lingwei play (sadly) so i cannot say much about their abilities. However, based on their achievements, they were definitely the best of their era.

I think it is unfair to compare players of different eras as the environment, competition and skills differ. What I can garner is the following in chonological order

Li Lingwei and Han Aiping

Susi Susanti (especially around early 90s)

Susi-Bang-Ye

Gong Zhizhao-Dai-Camilia

Gong Ruina-Zhou Mi-Camilia-Mia

Zhang Ning (last two years)

Xie XF??

sharkw
11-24-2005, 04:17 PM
First of all, Susi Susanti. She had a fantastic career with an amazing record against most of the top players of her day.

Li Lingwei - along with Han Aiping stood on top of women's singles for several years. When you look at the revolving door of top singles players from China you get a greater appreciation of what it takes to stay at the top for an extended period of time.

Judy Hashman (nee Devlin) - as pointed out by Cheung, I think she had something like 17 All-England titles divided among all the disciplines.

In my opinion, most of the modern day WS players from China have not had the longevity or absolute dominance to be among the best. For example, Gong Ruina certainly had all the attributes to be a top player for several more years at the time of her retirement, with her speed, net play and stroke skills.

On another note, we may be seeing something very special in Zhang Ning. She's several years past her due date considering the average age of retirement of her compatriots. On top of that, I remember one of the first important matches I saw her play (on video), which was a pivotal loss in the 1994 Uber Cup as a 17-year-old against a 14(?)-year-old Mia Audina. She has since developed into a top player late into her 20's, which as mentioned before is very unusual for a Chinese player. Her bronze medal, silver medal, and gold medal finishes in the World Championships plus her Olympic win are strong arguments for her inclusion as one of the best, but I think she still has it in her to win another world or olympic title.

DinkAlot
11-24-2005, 09:44 PM
On another note, we may be seeing something very special in Zhang Ning...I think she still has it in her to win another world or olympic title.

Sir, I agree! :D :D :D