Badminton Final (Men) Preview

[NPBC001]

Alright. After days of competing, finally 2 best teams have emerged.:D as predicted the final showdown will be presented by 2 giants from the South East Asia as well as in the world.

Malaysia vs Indonesia :cool:

What do you think the game will be? Who will get the gold medal in this exiciting match?

My own opinion in analyzing the game as:

Taufik Hidayat vs Lee Chongwei (50-50, both are young, hard to predict cos they are in top form recently) i will choose Lee cos he is more skillful and agressive. Score, 0-1

Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto vs Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat (hmmm.. 55-45, Indo has little advantage as they are more experience) it could be a rubble game, i will choose Indo pair as they are more powerful. Score, 1-1

Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Muhd Hafiz Hashim (45-55, Hafiz has better morale as he grabbed 3 champs this year. Tough anyway.) i will choose Hafiz cos he is more versatile compare with Sony in terms of skill and rally. Score, 1-2

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah (50-50, Malaysia Pair has bulk of experince but they are age-ing) i will choose Indo pair, Choong and Lee will get owned due to their inconsistency. Score, 2-2

Simon Santoso vs Wong Choong Hann (Ok. This will be the point to determine the winner:eek: . Both of them will be in great pressure, whoever can perform more steadily will be the winner.) I will choose Wong, cos he is an experience player and can handle the pressure. But again, his consistency will be his great obstacle to overcome. Score, 3-2

Ok. This is only my own opinion. How about you??? :)

[jug8man]

In the word's of JR "Looks like this is gonna be on hell of a slobber knocker!!!"

I think it will go down the middle (3 : 2 scoreline) either way.

[taufik-ist]

Alright. After days of competing, finally 2 best teams have emerged.:D as predicted the final showdown will be presented by 2 giants from the South East Asia as well as in the world.

Malaysia vs Indonesia :cool:

What do you think the game will be? Who will get the gold medal in this exiciting match?

My own opinion in analyzing the game as:

Taufik Hidayat vs Lee Chongwei (50-50, both are young, hard to predict cos they are in top form recently) i will choose Lee cos he is more skillful and agressive. Score, 0-1

Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto vs Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat (hmmm.. 55-45, Indo has little advantage as they are more experience) it could be a rubble game, i will choose Indo pair as they are more powerful. Score, 1-1

Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Muhd Hafiz Hashim (45-55, Hafiz has better morale as he grabbed 3 champs this year. Tough anyway.) i will choose Hafiz cos he is more versatile compare with Sony in terms of skill and rally. Score, 1-2

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah (50-50, Malaysia Pair has bulk of experince but they are age-ing) i will choose Indo pair, Choong and Lee will get owned due to their inconsistency. Score, 2-2

Simon Santoso vs Wong Choong Hann (Ok. This will be the point to determine the winner:eek: . Both of them will be in great pressure, whoever can perform more steadily will be the winner.) I will choose Wong, cos he is an experience player and can handle the pressure. But again, his consistency will be his great obstacle to overcome. Score, 3-2

Ok. This is only my own opinion. How about you??? :)


Taufik Hidayat vs Lee Chongwei (50-50, both are young, hard to predict cos they are in top form recently) i will choose Lee cos he is more skillful and agressive. Score, 0-1

mine: you're too subjective, lCW is more skillful than taufik :p ,

taufik:LCW = 55:45

Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto vs Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat (hmmm.. 55-45, Indo has little advantage as they are more experience) it could be a rubble game, i will choose Indo pair as they are more powerful. Score, 1-1

mine: i agree with u :D

Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Muhd Hafiz Hashim (45-55, Hafiz has better morale as he grabbed 3 champs this year. Tough anyway.) i will choose Hafiz cos he is more versatile compare with Sony in terms of skill and rally. Score, 1-2

mine : 2 player has the same problem, inconsitency . 50:50

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah (50-50, Malaysia Pair has bulk of experince but they are age-ing) i will choose Indo pair, Choong and Lee will get owned due to their inconsistency. Score, 2-2

mine : ina:mas = 55:45

Simon Santoso vs Wong Choong Hann (Ok. This will be the point to determine the winner:eek: . Both of them will be in great pressure, whoever can perform more steadily will be the winner.) I will choose Wong, cos he is an experience player and can handle the pressure. But again, his consistency will be his great obstacle to overcome. Score, 3-2

mine: i agree with u , simon : wch = 40:60

the score will be 3:2 for ina, it's like previous sea games 2003

[NPBC001]

Hmmm... May be. I'm not subjective anyway. Tell you something, i am fancy Taufik :D . Really..

[taufik-ist]

Hmmm... May be. I'm not subjective anyway. Tell you something, i am fancy Taufik :D . Really..

the best word for LCW is

he is one year younger than taufik :D

[**KZ**]

In the word's of JR "Looks like this is gonna be on hell of a slobber knocker!!!"

I think it will go down the middle (3 : 2 scoreline) either way.


do you mean jim ross or jonas?

[taufik-ist]

do you mean jim ross or jonas?

off topic, it's sea games

[jug8man]

do you mean jim ross or jonas?

Jim Ross... :D and it's not off topic coz i was commenting on how i anticipate the match to be.

Not too sure on LCW vs Taufik.... but the fact that Taufik didn't publicly say he's gonna win this for indonesia makes me lean a bit more towards LCW taking 'this one'.

cheers
8man

p.s. as to reduce future confusion, when i type JR it will mean Jim Ross, a very respected sports commentator IMHO badminton would do great with.
Jonas Rasmussen shall from now forth be typed affectionately as 'Our JR' :D

[NPBC001]

I see.. Anyway, LCW has improved a lot since last year. This will be a tough game.

[taufik-ist]

but the fact that Taufik didn't publicly say he's gonna win this for indonesia makes me lean a bit more towards LCW taking 'this one'.



taufik said he expected gold medal on local sport newspaper (bolanewsport) though he would just play in men event.

[rollerbuzz]

hey guys, i just watched the news and the line-up of players for malaysia has changed..

taufik vs chong wei
sony vs hafiz hashim
simon vs kuan beng hong
alvent/luluk vs chong ming/kkk
markis/hendra vs choong tan fook-wong choong hann

thats what i heard though.. :)

[NPBC001]

Alright. After days of competing, finally 2 best teams have emerged.:D as predicted the final showdown will be presented by 2 giants from the South East Asia as well as in the world.

Malaysia vs Indonesia :cool:

What do you think the game will be? Who will get the gold medal in this exiciting match?

My own opinion in analyzing the game as:

Taufik Hidayat vs Lee Chongwei (50-50, both are young, hard to predict cos they are in top form recently) i will choose Lee cos he is more skillful and agressive. Score, 0-1

Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto vs Chan Choong Ming/Koo Kien Keat (hmmm.. 55-45, Indo has little advantage as they are more experience) it could be a rubble game, i will choose Indo pair as they are more powerful. Score, 1-1

Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Muhd Hafiz Hashim (45-55, Hafiz has better morale as he grabbed 3 champs this year. Tough anyway.) i will choose Hafiz cos he is more versatile compare with Sony in terms of skill and rally. Score, 1-2

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah (50-50, Malaysia Pair has bulk of experince but they are age-ing) i will choose Indo pair, Choong and Lee will get owned due to their inconsistency. Score, 2-2

Simon Santoso vs Wong Choong Hann (Ok. This will be the point to determine the winner:eek: . Both of them will be in great pressure, whoever can perform more steadily will be the winner.) I will choose Wong, cos he is an experience player and can handle the pressure. But again, his consistency will be his great obstacle to overcome. Score, 3-2

Ok. This is only my own opinion. How about you??? :)

Thanks for your info Rollerbuzz. The situation has changed.
Simon vs Kuan (50-50, again, this is depends on Kuan consistency. Simon will have more advantage unless Kuan gone crazy tonight.) I will choose Kuan as he sometimes perform very well in important match.

Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan vs Choong Tan Fook/Wong Choong Han (60-40 obviously Indo team will have more advantage than Malaysia. WCH is not a doubles player after all. He played doubles before but couldnt perform although he started out his national team badminton career in mixed double. But he is just not suitable for it.) Indo will thrash Malaysia team unless WCH is on fire??

I think the final score may be Indo 3-2 to Malaysia. Unless Indo do not perform well in the match.

[badMania]

simon vs kuan beng hong
markis/hendra vs choong tan fook-wong choong hann


Strange decisions.I think the balance tips over to the Indo side now. Markis/Hendra SHOULD win against Choong/Wong.

Simon also has a higher chance of winning now.

[fishnet wen*yi]

hey guys, i just watched the news and the line-up of players for malaysia has changed..

taufik vs chong wei
sony vs hafiz hashim
simon vs kuan beng hong
alvent/luluk vs chong ming/kkk
markis/hendra vs choong tan fook-wong choong hann

thats what i heard though.. :)

hmmm... i think taufik has got the upperhand against chong wei... chong wei had to struggle to bt boonsak earlier. unless taufik loses his form, i think he will clinch it.

sony vs. hafiz... should be hafiz if he is on form but then again, sony can be quite unpredictable. i'll bank on hafiz for this one though :p

kuan beng hong should be able to live up to his ranking against simon. at least i hope so.

alven/luluk vs. cong ming/kkk will be a real 50-50 match. should be the best match to watch besides the match between chong wei and taufik. hard to tell.

markis and hendra should be able to bt tan fook/choong han.

these r just my opinions. :D we shall wait and c now, shan't we?

[Kamen]

hey guys, i just watched the news and the line-up of players for malaysia has changed..

taufik vs chong wei
sony vs hafiz hashim
simon vs kuan beng hong
alvent/luluk vs chong ming/kkk
markis/hendra vs choong tan fook-wong choong hann

thats what i heard though.. :)

Why? Is Lee Wan Wah injured?

[mirrura]

that's why, i was wondering what kind of tactic is Yap Kim Hock planning. He seems to always like to have scratch pair in team event.
Better hope it'll work

[**KZ**]

any results so far?
pls...1 of you pls tune in to warta perdana on rtm1 at 9.45 for the sport news..
it could be later oso..its the last news..so if 9.45 still not on tv..wait for a few min..thx
and pls post results here..

[tutu_h]

actually he should put

WCH against Taufik
LCW against Sony
Hafiz against Simon

at least here the M'sia team will get 2 points even though Taufik wins.

just my 2 cents.

[wl2172]

actually he should put

WCH against Taufik
LCW against Sony
Hafiz against Simon

at least here the M'sia team will get 2 points even though Taufik wins.

just my 2 cents.

Cant do that, must go according to world rankings.

[tutu_h]

any results so far?
pls...1 of you pls tune in to warta perdana on rtm1 at 9.45 for the sport news..
it could be later oso..its the last news..so if 9.45 still not on tv..wait for a few min..thx
and pls post results here..

it's already 1 hour ++, should have the result of the 1st match, haven't they?

[tutu_h]

Cant do that, must go according to world rankings.

thanks wl2172, now i know.

[**KZ**]

the website not doing a good job at posting results..yesterday result havent update oso..:mad:

[streamyx]

it's already 1 hour ++, should have the result of the 1st match, haven't they?

There is liputan on midnite 12am to 1am. Don't miss it, m sure they will delay the match.. As, this i Men team FINAL...

[streamyx]

There is liputan on midnite 12am to 1am. Don't miss it, m sure they will delay the match.. As, this i Men team FINAL...

sory, i left out the RTM 1

[syed_bashiir]

TVRI (indonesia's channel) is showing the malaysia vs indonesia now.
SCV - channel 31

you should be able to get the channel if u tune for it.

[streamyx]

TVRI (indonesia's channel) is showing the malaysia vs indonesia now.
SCV - channel 31

you should be able to get the channel if u tune for it.

hihi..i am from Malaysia....how is LCW.. still alive ??..hahaha

[tutu_h]

There is liputan on midnite 12am to 1am. Don't miss it, m sure they will delay the match.. As, this i Men team FINAL...

i'll certainly miss it as i am in germany now. :( :( :(

[sen]

Taufik bt LCW
Alven/Luluk won
Indon up 2-0

[wl2172]

Taufik bt LCW
Alven/Luluk won
Indon up 2-0
Its over for Mal then :(

[badMania]

Taufik bt LCW
Alven/Luluk won
Indon up 2-0

GOOD. As expected.

[streamyx]

Taufik bt LCW
Alven/Luluk won
Indon up 2-0

R U SURE?? how come... wat is the SCORE???:mad:

[**KZ**]

where u get the news from?
wats the score then?

[**KZ**]

ppl that are watching the game please tell us the score..
singaporeans please tune your tv to the indo channel..

[dugz86]

Luluk/alven bt ccm/kkk 15-4 15-9

Thailand vs Singapore 1-1 now

meemek vs xing aiying reached the 3rd set now

[dugz86]

xing aiying bt meemek montila rubber set

sony lost in 1st set 11-15 and now 0-6

[sen]

where u get the news from?
wats the score then?


I'm watching live TVRI

[kemana]

I'm watching live TVRI
how is it going now?:)

[Ningtyas]

Hafiz won 15-11, 15-4

Hmmh, Sigit Budiarto is the commentator now. Nice work!

[wl2172]

Hafiz won 15-11, 15-4

Hmmh, Sigit Budiarto is the commentator now. Nice work!

Well done to Hafiz, he certainly delivered where Lee CW failed. Also the 1st MAS MD pair is poor.

[badMania]

Hafiz won 15-11, 15-4

Hmmh, Sigit Budiarto is the commentator now. Nice work!

Sony can kiss goodbye to his individual gold medal now. Unless of course there is a miracle....

[Ningtyas]

Sony can kiss goodbye to his individual gold medal now. Unless of course there is a miracle....
I guess so...
Now let's watch Markis/Hendra against the Malaysian pair.
Hope they win.

[kemana]

I guess so...
Now let's watch Markis/Hendra against the Malaysian pair.
Hope they win.
some how i kind of hope they will lose and give simon a chance to prove himself:rolleyes:
do you think he can win?

[badMania]

some how i kind of hope they will lose and give simon a chance to prove himself:rolleyes:
do you think he can win?

Against Kwan Beng Hong, he has a chance. But against Wong Choong Hann, Simon will lose. The gold is now in Team Indonesia's grasp....unless Markis/Hendra fails to deliver....

[Ningtyas]

some how i kind of hope they will lose and give simon a chance to prove himself:rolleyes:
do you think he can win?
Simon has great techniques, but his mental is not so strong, so sometimes that great skill is useless. Let's see how he will do

12-all now.

[badMania]

12-all now.

Wow..thats bloody fast :eek:
Come on...3 more points to seal the first set.

[wl2172]

Simon has great techniques, but his mental is not so strong, so sometimes that great skill is useless. Let's see how he will do

12-all now.

2nd MD 12-all? :)

[**KZ**]

12 all which game?
MS or MD?

[tino4]

update plz.........

[**KZ**]

update plz.........

anybody watchin the game pls update fast..

[Ningtyas]

Yes, it's the 2nd MD.

It's so fast, it's the 2nd game now. Looks like the MAS took the first game, but I am not sure.

4-2 for the MAS. Markis/Hendra is in trouble.

[wl2172]

Yes, it's the 2nd MD.

It's so fast, it's the 2nd game now. Looks like the MAS took the first game, but I am not sure.

4-2 for the MAS. Markis/Hendra is in trouble.

lol, if MAS pulls this off, Indo in big trouble as Kuan has strong mental strenght.

[badMania]

Yes, it's the 2nd MD.

It's so fast, it's the 2nd game now. Looks like the MAS took the first game, but I am not sure.

4-2 for the MAS. Markis/Hendra is in trouble.

Geez...let's hope the Malaysian pair runs out of steam.

[wl2172]

Geez...let's hope the Malaysian pair runs out of steam.

Dont think so :)

[kemana]

Simon has great techniques, but his mental is not so strong, so sometimes that great skill is useless. Let's see how he will do

12-all now.
if i am not wrong , last year when he played for thomas cup semi final he lost.
and if he can play and win this time it will be a perfect chance for him to take off the shadow of that match, and this will build up his confidence too

[Hot^MAS]

IND VS MAS is hard to predict which country will win the gold medal....
But until now...I am sure that MAS will be winning 3-2, this is because the 2nd men doubles pair and kuan beng hong have more advantages than indon team..

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!

[Ningtyas]

Ups, Choong's shuttle hit Lee Wan Wah's head!

5-7 now. Markis/Hendra make lot of mistakes.

Lee Wan Wah plays exceptionally better, in my opinion.

[badMania]

Ups, Choong's shuttle hit Lee Wan Wah's head!

5-7 now. Markis/Hendra make lot of mistakes.

Lee Wan Wah plays exceptionally better, in my opinion.

I thought its Wong Choong Hann playing???
Who exactly won the first set?

[wl2172]

IND VS MAS is hard to predict which country will win the gold medal....
But until now...I am sure that MAS will be winning 3-2, this is because the 2nd men doubles pair and kuan beng hong have more advantages than indon team..

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!

You could be right this time. MAS should take team gold after domination from INA all thses years

[Ningtyas]

I thought its Wong Choong Hann playing???
Who exactly won the first set?
I don't know, they say "Lee Wan Wah." And I am not sure about the first game.

7-12 now.
It seem Simon has to be the decider. Markis Kido makes a lot of unforced error.
I guess MAS would take the gold.

[Hot^MAS]

The GOLD is gonna to be given to MALAYSIA....80%

[**KZ**]

I don't know, they say "Lee Wan Wah." And I am not sure about the first game.

7-12 now.
It seem Simon has to be the decider. Markis Kido makes a lot of unforced error.
I guess MAS would take the gold.

lee wan wah is big and stocky..wong choong hann is very slim..
wan wah hav spiky hair..choong hann has normal hair..

[Ningtyas]

Match point to the MAS

Markis Kidho is the weakest!

[badMania]

Match point to the MAS
Markis Kidho is the weakest!

That's another blow.....

Can Simon pull off an upset?

[abedeng]

Match point to the MAS

Markis Kidho is the weakest!
What happened? I thought this Indon pair is the next progression for legendary Indon Men's Doubles.

[kemana]

Match point to the MAS

Markis Kidho is the weakest!
how is it now??
i wonder what sigit said on tv about this:rolleyes:

[tutu_h]

lee wan wah is big and stocky..wong choong hann is very slim..
wan wah hav spiky hair..choong hann has normal hair..

hey KZ, you r so humourous, i was laughing all out looking at your post "CHoong Hann has normal Hair". :D :D :D

[Ningtyas]

lee wan wah is big and stocky..wong choong hann is very slim..
wan wah hav spiky hair..choong hann has normal hair..

Well maybe it's Lee Wan Wah. And they won!
Indonesia 2, Malaysia 2

Sigit comment : "Lee Wan Wah plays so tactfully even though he has a slight injury in his foot, unfortunately Markis Kidho couldn't take advantage of it and made a lot of unforced error instead."
(pardon my language)

3rd MS Simon vs WCH

[abedeng]

how is it now??
i wonder what sigit said on tv about this:rolleyes:

Sigit should be on court with Chandra. Then Indon would have won gold by now.

[badMania]

3rd MS Simon vs WCH

Sigh...that goes the gold unless Simon can create a miracle :mad:

[**KZ**]

hey KZ, you r so humourous, i was laughing all out looking at your post "CHoong Hann has normal Hair". :D :D :D


thx tutu...i'm funnier in life..jus hav to thank God..its a gift..:D

[tutu_h]

Sigit should be on court with Chandra. Then Indon would have won gold by now.l

IMO, the PBSI wanna let the younger pair to gain experience b4 Candra/Sigit retire

[Hot^MAS]

WONG CHOOONG HANN.......YAHOO!!!!I thought it will be KUAN BENG HONG....
Now I confirm the badminton men team champion is MALAYSIA.....GOLD no.22

[kemana]

Well maybe it's Lee Wan Wah. And they won!
Indonesia 2, Malaysia 2

Sigit comment : "Lee Wan Wah plays so tactfully even though he has a slight injury in his foot, unfortunately Markis Kidho couldn't take advantage of it and made a lot of unforced error instead."
(pardon my language)

3rd MS Simon vs WCH
thank you!:D
now , go simon ! great chance for you! prove yourself:D :D

[badMania]

Overall, it has been a bad SEA Games for Team Indonesia, with a pathetic 15 golds in 4 days of competition. It's unlikely that they will get 50 golds...let alone the 70 golds being targetted.

[kemana]

IMO, the PBSI wanna let the younger pair to gain experience b4 Candra/Sigit retire
i think they are right this time, they really need chance to gain experience:)

[tutu_h]

thx tutu...i'm funnier in life..jus hav to thank God..its a gift..:D

you will certainly win your opponent on the court using your gifted talent by making him laugh.:p

[Ningtyas]

thank you!:D
now , go simon ! great chance for you! prove yourself:D :D
it's a close game so far.
5-5

[abedeng]

IMO, the PBSI wanna let the younger pair to gain experience b4 Candra/Sigit retire

PBSI should have sent them to high pressure individual tourneys like the world championships. If they lose, its only an individual tournament.

A high stake team competition where pride is at stake is no place to gain experience. It's a battle zone of the best players, technically and psychologically.

[tutu_h]

it's a close game so far.
5-5

i think the only way simon can win WCH is speed and stamina since there is such a great age gap between them.

[kemana]

it's a close game so far.
5-5
hey, go simon! go for it! you can win!
it's really a great chance for him you know, if he loses no one will blame him
cos wang is a strong opponent , but if he wins he will be the hero:D

[wl2172]

I still think Wong will be too strong for Simon overall.

[tutu_h]

score pleeeeaaaassseee!!!!!:)

[Hot^MAS]

Any updates right now?

[kemana]

how is it now ????:rolleyes:

[jaclyn]

score pls
i seem to be running up n down :D

[kemana]

score pls
i seem to be running up n down :D
hey !this is getting exciting now:D

[**KZ**]

score ppl...now nobody's updating the score..

[tutu_h]

score ppl...now nobody's updating the score..


Am watching now on live between WCH and Simon.
WCH won 1st set and now second set. 2 - 5.
rgdshttp://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

see the thread started by extremenanopowe

[tamages]

score pls................................... it's not shown here!!!!!!!

[**KZ**]

ningtyas too afraid to watch the game and too sad to post the score for us?:D

[**KZ**]

see the thread started by extremenanopowe

hey..where'd you find that post..i couldn't find it anywhere..

[tutu_h]

hey..where'd you find that post..i couldn't find it anywhere..

no need to find already lah.

malaysia sudah boleh.!!!!! gold for malaysia!!!!

http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28622

[**KZ**]

Me too..M'sia Boleh!!!

[qwertyu]

Malaysian TV is so backward. Only TV 1 has SEA games coverage. That too is at 12.00 am, a brief one hour report. TV3 and NTV7 do not have even a single pressman in Manila, their news do not even mention SEA games!!!! Indonesian TV can have live telecast but what about Malaysia??? Is this what we call Malaysia Boleh? The TV sure tak boleh...

[abedeng]

no need to find already lah.

malaysia sudah boleh.!!!!! gold for malaysia!!!!

http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28622

YAHOO!! 3rd time we beat Indon team after being 0-2 down. I think the turning pt is 2nd doubles.:D

1st time was in 1988 TC semis, and I was there! Ong Beng Teong and a young Cheah Soon Kit were the heroes.

2nd time was in 1990 Asian Games semis. The most heart-stopping one with Kwan Yoke Meng's 17-16 third set victory after trailing 8-14.

[wl2172]

YAHOO!! 3rd time we beat Indon team after being 0-2 down. I think the turning pt is 2nd doubles.:D

1st time was in 1988 TC semis, and I was there! Ong Beng Teong and a young Cheah Soon Kit were the heroes.

2nd time was in 1990 Asian Games semis. The most heart-stopping one with Kwan Yoke Meng's 17-16 third set victory after trailing 8-14.

Actually turning point was Hafiz lol, without his win we would have lost 3-0. The next 2 matches took us home :)

[abedeng]

Actually turning point was Hafiz lol, without his win we would have lost 3-0. The next 2 matches took us home :)

Ah, but to me, Hafiz is expected to win, he's a pressure handler. Remember how he beat Bao Chunlai in TC semis 2002, in China.

Hendra/Markis were expected to roll past our ageing pair, but they can't handle the pressure ...

[wl2172]

Ah, but to me, Hafiz is expected to win, he's a pressure handler. Remember how he beat Bao Chunlai in TC semis 2002, in China.

Hendra/Markis were expected to roll past our ageing pair, but they can't handle the pressure ...

Hafiz is great in cases like this, I am so happy for MAS team. :)

[**KZ**]

Malaysian TV is so backward. Only TV 1 has SEA games coverage. That too is at 12.00 am, a brief one hour report. TV3 and NTV7 do not have even a single pressman in Manila, their news do not even mention SEA games!!!! Indonesian TV can have live telecast but what about Malaysia??? Is this what we call Malaysia Boleh? The TV sure tak boleh...


10am-10.30..3.00pm-5pm..got reports on SEA Games on RTM1..12.00am I'm not sure..

[Sandy]

The positive points, the results has showed that how bad Indonesian regeneration in single, no reason for PBSI official. This fail was closed by Taufik's succeses.

I have worried it, since PBSI used some beginner coaches in National Training Centre (Pelatnas).
Pulled back some experienced coaches to Pelatnas like Indra Gunawan, Agus Dwi Santoso, Liang Chiu Sia, Retno Kustiyah etc.

[ctjcad]

It's obvious that Simon is lacking the "mental" aspect.
Many coaches and even his teammates have acknowledged and mentioned this fact before. A few even said, his technique is "much better" than that of Taufik... :rolleyes:

I think the failure of the Indo Men's Team to win Gold for the Men's Team event at this year's SEA Games shows that PBSI should learn from their mistakes and solve it..Imagine if Taufik didn't even play, the team would probably not even go into the Finals, or even if they get there, they probably would lose 1-4 or 0-5..

It's *definitely* time for PBSI to start sending him(as well as other up-and-coming players) to bigger stars tournaments next year, for real, win or lose..

Simon has great techniques, but his mental is not so strong, so sometimes that great skill is useless. Let's see how he will do

12-all now.

[NPBC001]

Cool tactic Malaysia.. :D Announced WCH to play MD but actually he is in the old plan playing MS. :) Ya.. just relized that this is the usual tactic that Malaysia used to do. Ha.. Anyway, Congrats Malaysia. Proud of you. Malaysia Boleh! Wawasan 2020.:D :D :D

[Ningtyas]

ningtyas too afraid to watch the game and too sad to post the score for us?:D

Hehehe, that's what we call "berburuk sangka".
I had a bad internet connection last night... I wasn't sad at all, well a bit disappointed maybe yes.


PBSI should have sent them to high pressure individual tourneys like the world championships. If they lose, its only an individual tournament.

A high stake team competition where pride is at stake is no place to gain experience. It's a battle zone of the best players, technically and psychologically.

Allow me to disagree here.
I believe the PBSI had make a good decision. This is not something they will regret. Sure they will make a lot of evaluation after this.
Even Sigit Budiarto say that young players need this kind of experience.

The Sea Games for us is "ajang pematangan para pemain muda." This is where young players got the opportunity to gain experience when they have to play for the nation. For a longer term, this will be of much benefit when they have to play for the nation in a bigger event such as the Asian Games and the Olympic.

You know, the PBSI was criticised by the media for fielding Taufik Hidayat to SEA GAMES. But I don't blame PBSi. Currently we do not have so many good MS players, not like in the past. So Taufik had to play.

After all, I would like to offer congratulation to the MAS team and the fans here. We accept the lost gracefully. :-)

[abedeng]

Allow me to disagree here.
I believe the PBSI had make a good decision. This is not something they will regret. Sure they will make a lot of evaluation after this.
Even Sigit Budiarto say that young players need this kind of experience.
:-)

I fully respect your disagreement. Yet I've always felt if Hendra/Markis were given the chance to play world championships (which they qualified on merit, by the way), they could have done better yesterday.

But my main view is to ensure the best team players are around on these team tournaments. I would even accept MAS loss if Sigit/Chandra played. At least MAS best team really played INDON best team.

[Ningtyas]

It's obvious that Simon is lacking the "mental" aspect.
Many coaches and even his teammates have acknowledged and mentioned this fact before. A few even said, his technique is "much better" than that of Taufik... :rolleyes:

I think the failure of the Indo Men's Team to win Gold for the Men's Team event at this year's SEA Games shows that PBSI should learn from their mistakes and solve it..Imagine if Taufik didn't even play, the team would probably not even go into the Finals, or even if they get there, they probably would lose 1-4 or 0-5..

It's *definitely* time for PBSI to start sending him(as well as other up-and-coming players) to bigger stars tournaments next year, for real, win or lose..

Ya, Simon outplayed Taufik in the Indo Open. I guess that's the only time we see him play his best, all out.
But in term of mentality Taufik is far better than him, since from a very young age.

Did you watch him play last night? Simon 'give up' too easily. With Simon we could not expect a long and exciting rally, he just exchange one-two-three strokes with the opponent that's all. He could have saved many points if only he tried harder. In Indonesian, Simon "kurang ulet mengejar bola."

Sure, PBSI should learn from this failure. You know, Sutiyoso has a personal ambition to bring back the Thomas Cup while he is still the PBSI's chairman. But look, he even fail in the SEA GAMES. He share the blame, he is too stingy to send players to tournaments. Hope he learn a lesson

[Ningtyas]

I fully respect your disagreement. Yet I've always felt if Hendra/Markis were given the chance to play world championships (which they qualified on merit, by the way), they could have done better yesterday.
Totally agree. Even their coach will agree with this. You know they so frustrated when Markis/Hendra weren't sent to the WC.



But my main view is to ensure the best team players are around on these team tournaments. I would even accept MAS loss if Sigit/Chandra played. At least MAS best team really played INDON best team.

I guess this is where we disagree. It's a common view here that players like Taufik, Chandra/Sigit, should give place to young players in the SEA GAMES.
We expect the youngsters to be the next Taufik and Chandra/Sigit in the future. But I do understand & respect your concern.

[kemana]

But in term of mentality Taufik is far better than him, since from a very young age.

that's true:D taufik is amazing in this


In Indonesian, Simon "kurang ulet mengejar bola."

can you translate:confused:

[Ningtyas]

can you translate:confused:

That means simon didn't do his best to save the shuttle, sometimes he didn't even try.
Hope you got it!

[ctjcad]

In Indonesian, Simon "kurang ulet mengejar bola."

can you translate

That means simon didn't do his best to save the shuttle, sometimes he didn't even try.
Hope you got it!

..hehe, "he wasn't diligent/didn't give or show full effort in chasing the shuttle" or in a simpler word, he was L-A-Z-Y.. :p :p :rolleyes:

[kemana]

That means simon didn't do his best to save the shuttle, sometimes he didn't even try.
Hope you got it!
yes! got it , thank you:)

[ctjcad]

Ya, Simon outplayed Taufik in the Indo Open. I guess that's the only time we see him play his best, all out.
But in term of mentality Taufik is far better than him, since from a very young age.

Did you watch him play last night?

Hehehe...no, i didn't watch(i'm in U.S.)-i wished i was watching though... :p
Yah, i can imagine that. It's partly everyone to "blame"(from PBSI down to the coach, player)..
Well, it's a good loss and lesson to learn for the players. Hope PBSI and the players don't just walk away from this defeat with a "ho-hum" thinking and mindset...If so, the result for their next or future *team event* could be "disastrous"...:p :rolleyes:

[kemana]

..hehe, "he wasn't diligent/didn't give or show full effort in chasing the shuttle" or in a simpler word, he was L-A-Z-Y.. :p :p :rolleyes:
thank you!:)
i found kurang means "lack of "
ulet means "will to take challanges"
bola means "ball" i guess,
didn't find mengejar

[ctjcad]

Totally agree. Even their coach will agree with this. You know they so frustrated when Markis/Hendra weren't sent to the WC.


Hmm, i was with the Indo team, accompanying them for about half the time @ WC this past August, and from talking and hanging around with the coaches, esp. MD coach(Christian Hadinata), i didn't sense anything that showed "they were or he was so frustrated". Maybe they/he said something to the effect, but i wasn't around.
But yah, in one occasion while driving back from a get-together, i was chatting and heard from coach Joko regarding this issue: he mentioned something to the effect that it's "unfortunate" the young pair of Markis/Hendra as well as other players(women players) weren't allowed to come eventhough they have qualified and willing to pay for their own travel/accommodation, saying simply the reason: PBSI was using "target/goal oriented" approach..All in all, they could complain, but there's nothing they could do, as they, the coaches themselves were given somekind of a "threat" or "ultimatum" to prepare their protege/main disciple to at least "reach the Semi-Finals" or else.. :p :rolleyes:

[ctjcad]

thank you!:)
i found kurang means "lack of "
ulet means "will to take challanges"
bola means "ball" i guess,
didn't find mengejar

hehe, that's right... :)..
"ulet" means "diligent" and "mengejar" means "to chase or pursuit or track down" .. :)

[Ningtyas]

Hmm, i was with the Indo team for about half the time @ WC this past August, and from talking and hanging around with the MD coach(Christian Hadinata), i didn't sense anything that showed "they were so frustrated". Maybe they said something to the effect, but i wasn't around.
But yah, in one occasion while driving back from a get-together, i was chatting and heard from coach Joko regarding this issue: he mentioned something to the effect that it's "unfortunate" the young pair of Markis/Hendra as well as other players(women players) weren't allowed to come eventhough they have qualified and willing to pay for their own travel/accommodation, saying simply the reason: PBSI was using "target/goal oriented" approach..

Yah, of course when they were in the tournament the coach should only focus to the tournament at hand and put the other thoughts behind.
But if you read Tabloid Bola BEFORE the event, it did say that Christian Hadinata "sangat frustrasi" dengan tidak diberangkatkannya Markis Kidho/Hendra Setiawan to the WC.

I don't think this 'result-oriented' approach will work. What will happen next...

[ctjcad]

Probably..Yah, i think i've read something similar, but don't quite remember...It's too bad there's really nothing much he(or other coaches) could do with the decision..In the end, none of his "students" won any Gold.. :p :( :rolleyes:



But if you read Tabloid Bola BEFORE the event, it did say that Christian Hadinata "sangat frustrasi" dengan tidak diberangkatkannya Markis Kidho/Hendra Setiawan to the WC.

[Ningtyas]

Probably..Yah, i think i've read something similar, but don't quite remember...It's too bad there's really nothing much he(or other coaches) could do with the decision..In the end, none of his "students" won any Gold.. :p :( :rolleyes:

Hahaha, you are wrong here. Don't forget that Tony Gunawan won the gold, and he's one of Christian's 'disciple', and Tony also acknowledged this. :p I read somewhere that Punch Gunalan even teased Christian, saying something like "I do not know that you also have become the coach of USA's MD." Lol.
Bola said Christian cried after that match, saying he was so sad Indo's MD had failed but in the other hand he also proud and happy for Tony. Bittersweet...

a bit off topic here, didn't we :p

[kemana]

hehe, that's right... :)..
"ulet" means "diligent" and "mengejar" means "to chase or pursuit or track down" .. :)
thank you:)


saying simply the reason: PBSI was using "target/goal oriented" approach..

no offence,but really don't think it's a good idea

[taufik-ist]

taufik msut participate in individual event, if not , please don't dream on men single gold medal :)

[ctjcad]

Sorry folkz, getting off topic here.. :p

Oops, yah, i forgot(shaking head) about Tony... :p :o
Well, technically speaking, you know what i meant, Christian's *current* "PBSI students" at the time of WC, the ones he came with..
Tony, well, he *was* "coach Christian's National team student" at PBSI but already *moved on* and become a "coach-player" himself...?!?!.."A Coach" vs. "his former national team coach's students/teammates"..gasp...huehuehehe... :p :confused: :rolleyes:

Yah, coach Christian was a bit teary eyed, being emotional of course. I thought Tony was also getting emotional meeting his "former" coach and teammates...


Hahaha, you are wrong here. Don't forget that Tony Gunawan won the gold, and he's one of Christian's 'disciple', and Tony also acknowledged this. :p I read somewhere that Punch Gunalan even teased Christian, saying something like "I do not know that you also have become the coach of USA's MD." Lol.
Bola said Christian cried after that match, saying he was so sad Indo's MD had failed but in the other hand he also proud and happy for Tony. Bittersweet...

a bit off topic here, didn't we :p

[taufik-ist]

is it possible to replace simon with taufik in individual event ?

any recent ms draw ?

[Sandy]

is it possible to replace simon with taufik in individual event ?

any recent ms draw ?

not possible
replacement allowed by new lower rank player only.

[NPBC001]

is it possible to replace simon with taufik in individual event ?

any recent ms draw ?
Anyway, Taufik is not playing MS.:eek: So the gold medal and silver could be in the pocket of Malaysia team.

[taufik-ist]

Anyway, Taufik is not playing MS.:eek: So the gold medal and silver could be in the pocket of Malaysia team.

i want sony to defend his gold medal...

give your best, sony !!!!!