Manila Sea Games Day 3 Team Finals Results

[ants]

Mens Team Tie

Malaysia Vs Indonesia


1st Singles

Taufik Hidayat bt Lee Chong Wei 15-13 , 15-7


2nd Singles

Hafiz Hashim bt Sony Dwi Kuncoro 15-11 , 15-4


3rd Singles

Wong Choon Han bt Simon Santoso 15-9 , 15-7


1st Doubles

Alven Yulianto Chandra/Luluk Hadiyanto bt Koo Kien Kiat/Chan Chong Ming 15-4 , 15-9


2nd Doubles

Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah bt Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan 15-12 , 15-9


Winner MALAYSIA 3-2






Womens Team Tie


Thailand vs Singapore


1st Singles

Salakjit Ponsana bt Li Li 11-7 , 11-7


2nd Singles

Xing Aiying bt Monthila Meemek 13-12 , 11-2


3rd Singles

Jiang Yanmei bt Sujitra Ekmongkolpaisarn 13-10 , 11-7 , 11-5


1st Doubles

Saralee Thungthongkam/Satinee Jankrajangwong bt Jiang YanMei/Li Yujia 12-15 , 15-6 , 15-2


2nd Doubles

Kulchala Worawichitchaikul/Sujitra Ekmongkol Paisarn bt Liu Fan Frances/Shinta Mulia Sari 15-2 , 15-10


Winner THAILAND 3-2

[Viper2005]

Wow, Taufik must be disappointed with the team loss.

I think Sony should of played 3rd singles instead.

[ctjcad]

Yah, probably disappointed..cos he won't be competing in the individual MS event..so this is *the only* event that he will be competing in..

Hmm, regarding "Sony should have played 3rd singles instead", interesting, but the Malaysian team will probably stick with Hafiz to play him or use WCH. But Sony should've won his tie or at least force a 3rd set, cos by losing, it will add more pressure to the "inexperienced players" (Simon and Markis/Hendra) to even up or win it. Thing is, Taufik, Sony and Alven/Luluk are the "veterans" being used as the playing cards and def. being counted on to bring home the bacon. But surprisingly Sony wilted in straight sets?!?!. Perhaps he's saving a bit of energy for the individual event later?? OTOH, a bit of surprise to me that Alven/Luluk was able to beat KKK/CCM in straight set.
Either way, whatever the reasons or excuses, the Indo Men's team just wasn't ready to go the distance... :p :rolleyes:


Wow, Taufik must be disappointed with the team loss.

I think Sony should of played 3rd singles instead.

[grEgOr]

CONGRATS TO THE MALAYSIAN TEAM!!!

Really happy that they won the gold medal, beating arch rivals Indonesia. Was kinda surprised to see Kido/Setiawan losing in straight sets though. they're really an energetic pair and would probably gone to a 3-setter..oh well, just comes to prove that experience DOES matter in team competitions like these. would be great if someone can post some pics??? thanks

[madbad]

But surprisingly Sony wilted in straight sets?!?!. Perhaps he's saving a bit of energy for the individual event later??... :p :rolleyes:

My God, if this was actually the case (which I doubt very much), Sony should be fired and never be selected for a team event again. I must think he was beaten by a better and more fired up Hafiz. If Sony can't get up for a INA v MAS match, he's got no hope. Don't you think INA v MAS is the pinnacle of badminton rivalry? Totally disappointing performance. :mad:

[Pingo]

How come Candra/Sigit didn't play?

[Vtec101]

Yeah!!! The Thai girls won!! I wonder why Kulchala didn't play with her normal partner though. Too bad the men lost to Malay yesterday.

Congratulations to the Thai women's team!!!

[blueagle]

No. Sony lost because Hafiz Hashim simply played better. i was there last night and Hafiz clearly was the better player. KKK/CCM, on the other hand, didn't play quite well. They committed a lot of unforced errors.

[blueagle]

How come Candra/Sigit didn't play?

i think Candra and Sigit should have played the 2nd doubles match. indonesia has better chances of winning the team gold if they played.

[abedeng]

i think Candra and Sigit should have played the 2nd doubles match. indonesia has better chances of winning the team gold if they played.

Yes, I mentioned that myself in the other thread, but as someone else said, probably PBSI wanted to let the youngsters gain high pressure experience. To me, they should have started in high pressure individual tournaments like world championships before graduating to even higher pressure team competitions. Everyone knows the kind of extreme rivalry between INDON and MAS men's team since the late '50s.

[SibugiChai]

If candra & sigit were there, indonesia will be too hot to handle. anyway, indo wanna give youngster some exposure.

[TPA_AON]

Yeah!!! The Thai girls won!! I wonder why Kulchala didn't play with her normal partner though. Too bad the men lost to Malay yesterday.

Congratulations to the Thai women's team!!!

YEAH YEAH !!!!..
Congratulations to Thai girls for very hard work last night ...

[Ningtyas]

My God, if this was actually the case (which I doubt very much), Sony should be fired and never be selected for a team event again. I must think he was beaten by a better and more fired up Hafiz. If Sony can't get up for a INA v MAS match, he's got no hope. Don't you think INA v MAS is the pinnacle of badminton rivalry? Totally disappointing performance. :mad:

Problem is, we do not have any choice. We are lack of MS players at the moment. You know, some media even disagree with PBSI's decision to field Taufik to SEA GAMES. But which other MS player if Taufik didn't play in the team event?
Admittedly todays Malaysia have good MS players many more than we do. I think --even if they put Krishnan Yogendran as the 3rd MS player, they still will take the gold.

And I think PBSI have made a right decision with Sigit/Candra not playing in the SEA GAMES. I just hope Markis/Hendra become more mature and experienced after this. They still have a long way to go. They love to learn from their own mistake, so hopefully Markis/Hendra will do better in the individual event.

[madbad]

Problem is, we do not have any choice. We are lack of MS players at the moment. You know, some media even disagree with PBSI's decision to field Taufik to SEA GAMES. But which other MS player if Taufik didn't play in the team event?
Admittedly todays Malaysia have good MS players many more than we do. I think --even if they put Krishnan Yogendran as the 3rd MS player, they still will take the gold.

And I think PBSI have made a right decision with Sigit/Candra not playing in the SEA GAMES. I just hope Markis/Hendra become more mature and experienced after this. They still have a long way to go. They love to learn from their own mistake, so hopefully Markis/Hendra will do better in the individual event.

Here's the funny thing. Wasn't it PBSI policy during the last SEA Games to send field their "future" players? This is an about turn fueled by, I suspect, the glitter of gold. You're right about them missing the opportunity to blood in young players to gain experience. I wouldn't worry too much about Markis and Hendra. They have improved by leaps and bounds this year. Just hope PBSi continues to support them. Men's singles is where the big, big hole (carter-like) is. If Simon Santoso is INA's third best player, I'm afraid their development system has let them down. Sony's always hot and cold. Who knows which Sony will show up on any given day. My point about Sony and EVERY player representing their country is that they should sweat blood for that honour. I think badminton players have become too individual because of the circuit they play in; many-a-time, they forget the pride in representing their country in a team event.

[Sandy]

Problem is, we do not have any choice. We are lack of MS players at the moment. You know, some media even disagree with PBSI's decision to field Taufik to SEA GAMES. But which other MS player if Taufik didn't play in the team event?
Admittedly todays Malaysia have good MS players many more than we do. I think --even if they put Krishnan Yogendran as the 3rd MS player, they still will take the gold.

And I think PBSI have made a right decision with Sigit/Candra not playing in the SEA GAMES. I just hope Markis/Hendra become more mature and experienced after this. They still have a long way to go. They love to learn from their own mistake, so hopefully Markis/Hendra will do better in the individual event.

I fully agree that PBSI sent Markis/Hendra instead of Chandra/Sigit.
CTF/LWW is in good form, I think they are same level with Luluk/Alvent or Chandra/Sigit. Their matches always finish in closed score. Still posible CTF/LWW can beat Luluk/Alven (if Chandra/Sigit play).

The key of Malaysia winning is their MS is much better than Indonesia. They had a lot of good player in Single while in double are same level.

PBSI in many time failed keep & maintance their best junior players from national circuit especially in boy & girl single. They had good record and many time beat Pelatnas players. After recruited in Pelatnas, many of them had lack of experience & progress, they often lost to club players then eliminated. The new players was changed and same process was happened again and again.

I thaught training in club (big club : Djarum, Jayaraya & Tangkas) is much better for junior players than Pelatnas (National Training Centre).

[ctjcad]

Sorry, just want to make a quick comment regarding Sony vs. Hafiz. Yah, probably so Hafiz played better yesterday..But IMO, i don't think Sony should have just given up like that in 2 sets. I mean, we all know what he is capable of and where is he ranked in the world. If he put his mind & heart to it, we know what he can accomplish. He has to realize, that the team was counting on him to give them a point. Plus he was playing in a "neutral" court, so there was no excuse he was playing in the "opponent's homecourt".

Anyways, what's done is done...just gotta move on.. :p


No. Sony lost because Hafiz Hashim simply played better. i was there last night and Hafiz clearly was the better player. KKK/CCM, on the other hand, didn't play quite well. They committed a lot of unforced errors.

[ctjcad]

They(Candra/Sigit) *could have*, but agree also with another poster below, in a way, PBSI came to their senses and made the wise and correct decision by not fielding them... :rolleyes: :p
Too bad their 3rd "ace", as in Sony, just wasn't ready and up to par for the day. He won against Hafiz, it's basically a done deal... :p :rolleyes:


i think Candra and Sigit should have played the 2nd doubles match. indonesia has better chances of winning the team gold if they played.


The key of Malaysia winning is their MS is much better than Indonesia. They had a lot of good player in Single while in double are same level

[taufik-ist]

first,

i want to congrat malaysia for gold medal,

i'm not sad , the most important thing, taufik did a good work, beating LCW... it felt good :)


i want taufik to participate in individual event,

sony and simon are not promising.

agree.... !

[madbad]

first,

i want to congrat malaysia for gold medal,

i'm not sad , the most important thing, taufik did a good work, beating LCW... it felt good :)


i want taufik to participate in individual event,

sony and simon are not promising.

agree.... !

It's a team event. The most important thing is to win 3 of the 5 matches, period. Any individual achievement in a team event counts for nothing if the team doesn't win. I bet Taufik is seriously disappointed that INA didn't win and probably couldn't care less about his win over LCW now.

[taufik-ist]

It's a team event. The most important thing is to win 3 of the 5 matches, period. Any individual achievement in a team event counts for nothing if the team doesn't win. I bet Taufik is seriously disappointed that INA didn't win and probably couldn't care less about his win over LCW now.

yeah.. but it can add taufik's good head to head records on LCW,

[Ningtyas]

Men's singles is where the big, big hole (carter-like) is. If Simon Santoso is INA's third best player, I'm afraid their development system has let them down. Sony's always hot and cold. Who knows which Sony will show up on any given day. My point about Sony and EVERY player representing their country is that they should sweat blood for that honour. I think badminton players have become too individual because of the circuit they play in; many-a-time, they forget the pride in representing their country in a team event.

I don't know what really happen to Sony. Truly he played awfully, but I don't think he did that on purpose for whatever reason. Maybe he was just too nervous? He didn't use all the weapons he have in fighting. Indeed it was dissappointing.
Our players (who commented on TV) often mentioning that for them playing for the nation is really different from playing in open tournaments. The burden is so huge. When they are expected to win, especially in crucial point, sometimes players become too nervous and make a lot of errors instead.
Well I am sure that's the case with Markis Kidho, but don't know about Sony, though. Just give him more chance. :)

Indeed we do not have enough good MS players this time, and also WS and WD players. That's a problem the PBSI have to solve soon. Or else we will be left behind....
Last night Sigit was full of praise with the Malaysian team, the BAM, how the MAS govt give full attention to improve their badminton, etc, etc. I guess there are unspoken words about our own poor condition.... Duh!

[NPBC001]

first,

i want to congrat malaysia for gold medal,

i'm not sad , the most important thing, taufik did a good work, beating LCW... it felt good :)


i want taufik to participate in individual event,

sony and simon are not promising.

agree.... !
But too bad.. Taufik said he is not going to play individual match. Only team play he did. :D :D :D

[ctjcad]

Last night Sigit was full of praise with the Malaysian team, the BAM, how the MAS govt give full attention to improve their badminton, etc, etc. I guess there are unspoken words about our own poor condition.... Duh!

Sorry folkz, a bit off topic here..

Hehe, nothing surprising and really new with what Sigit said there. It's been a known fact for years and too bad there seemed to be very little changes. There have been quite a few *great* players who left PBSI for that "sole" reason and decide to *coach* in other countries, if not for their own personal & family's security for the future. To name a few Tony G., who left when he was still in his peak and now coaching in the U.S.. Then Mia A., Rexy M., Fung Permadi, Ardy Wiratama, and the list goes on and on...Ex-players with potential to be a coach...Some even are being "removed" for newer and younger coaches..
On that note, i personally won't be surprised to see another current PBSI player retire soon and perhaps move on and follow the footsteps of Tony G. and Halim H. in the U.S??....Or maybe Sigit becoming a PBSI coach himself, say within 4-5 yrs??..hmmm, hehehe.. :p :rolleyes: :cool:

[taufik-ist]

I don't know what really happen to Sony. Truly he played awfully, but I don't think he did that on purpose for whatever reason. Maybe he was just too nervous? He didn't use all the weapons he have in fighting. Indeed it was dissappointing.
Our players (who commented on TV) often mentioning that for them playing for the nation is really different from playing in open tournaments. The burden is so huge. When they are expected to win, especially in crucial point, sometimes players become too nervous and make a lot of errors instead.
Well I am sure that's the case with Markis Kidho, but don't know about Sony, though. Just give him more chance. :)

Indeed we do not have enough good MS players this time, and also WS and WD players. That's a problem the PBSI have to solve soon. Or else we will be left behind....
Last night Sigit was full of praise with the Malaysian team, the BAM, how the MAS govt give full attention to improve their badminton, etc, etc. I guess there are unspoken words about our own poor condition.... Duh!


becos.. the indo govt give poor attention on this sea games,

<b>mungkin presiden atau wakil presiden "tidak" bersedia ataupun meluangkan waktu "sebentar" menerima ataupun memberikan semangat kepada team sea game indonesia sebelum berangkat ke philipina padahal itu sudah merupakan tradisi sehingga mereka tidak bersemangat untuk bertanding, terbukti dengan rendahnya perolehan medali emas.
<b>

please ningtyas trasnlate it in english ? :)

[Sandy]

Indeed we do not have enough good MS players this time, and also WS and WD players. That's a problem the PBSI have to solve soon. Or else we will be left behind....


not strange if Indonesia didn't have good WS & WD although WD still has given little challenge to top players.
But it was different in Indonesia MS history, Indonesia isn't difficult to find young players in MS or MD. Regeneration in MS or MD did well, didn't have big problems before but now ???

[taufik-ist]

not strange if Indonesia didn't have good WS & WD although WD still has given little challenge to top players.
But it was different in Indonesia MS history, Indonesia isn't difficult to find young players in MS or MD. Regeneration in MS or MD did well, didn't have big problems before but now ???

most best indonesia players are "talented" players, not produced by good training system

mightbe 10 or 15 years again... new susi will be born :) (from cloning system..he..he)

[ctjcad]

becos.. the indo govt give poor attention on this sea games,

<b>mungkin presiden atau wakil presiden "tidak" bersedia ataupun meluangkan waktu "sebentar" menerima ataupun memberikan semangat kepada team sea game indonesia sebelum berangkat ke philipina padahal itu sudah merupakan tradisi sehingga mereka tidak bersemangat untuk bertanding, terbukti dengan rendahnya perolehan medali emas.
<b>

please ningtyas trasnlate it in english ? :)

Wow, i'm a bit surprised reading this...but this could be a valid reason also for the lack of success..

I will try translating it. Do you mind giving me the source??Is it from Kompas or JawaPos or another news source??..Anyway, here is the translation:

"..maybe the Indonesian President(SBY) or the Vice President(Kalla) "was not" willing to or reserve "a little bit of their time" to welcome or provide any support to the Indonesia's SEA Games contingent, before departing to Phillippines whereas it was already a tradition. Whereupon as the result, they were not enthused in competing, as proven with the low Gold medal counts.."

[taufik-ist]

Wow, i'm a bit surprised reading this...but this could be a valid reason also for the lack of success..

I will try translating it. Do you mind giving me the source??Is it from Kompas or JawaPos or another newspaper??..Anyway, here is the translation:

"..maybe the President and the Vice President "was not" willing to or reserve "a brief time" from their schedule to welcome or provide any support to the Indonesia's SEA Games team, before departing to Phillippines whereas it was already a tradition. Whereupon as the result, they were not enthused in competing, as proven with the low Gold medal counts.."


thanks CTJAD for the translation,

i don't remember... i saw it on tv , but it's true (valid) both president and vice gave the reason "busy"... alias tidak ada waktu karena acara sangat padat

[Hoey Beltram]

Yeah!!! The Thai girls won!! I wonder why Kulchala didn't play with her normal partner though. Too bad the men lost to Malay yesterday.

Congratulations to the Thai women's team!!!

Thai girls play very well. perhap if singapore want to win gold next time they should 'import' player such as Zhang Ni, Goa Lin for next SEA Games.:rolleyes:

[taufik-ist]

Thai girls play very well. perhap if singapore want to win gold next time they should 'import' player such as Zhang Ni, Goa Lin for next SEA Games.:rolleyes:


yeah don't import "outkast" players :)

btw congratulation on thai winning,

i heard that there's a thai wd player comes from royal family

[badMania]

The key of Malaysia winning is their MS is much better than Indonesia. They had a lot of good player in Single while in double are same level.


This proves to be the downfall of Team Indonesia! We have become too reliant on Taufik Hidayat, however, its of no use if the other singles are as weak either physically (like Sony, who can't last 3 sets) or mentally (like Simon). This does not bode well for the Thomas Cup next year. Both China and Malaysia can take at least 2 points off Indonesia from the singles department. We need points from both doubles and Taufik, which are obviously tough!

Malaysia's 3 singles are indeed formidable. They are now second in terms of quality, just below China's. Indonesia really need to blood young singles players like Andre Kurniawan, Faudzi Adnan, and Markus Wijanu. Start sending them to more competitions next year, otherwise the men's singles will definitely follow the path of ladies's singles since we do not really have any outstanding players currently.

[taufik-ist]

This proves to be the downfall of Team Indonesia! We have become too reliant on Taufik Hidayat, however, its of no use if the other singles are as weak either physically (like Sony, who can't last 3 sets) or mentally (like Simon). This does not bode well for the Thomas Cup next year. Both China and Malaysia can take at least 2 points off Indonesia from the singles department. We need points from both doubles and Taufik, which are obviously tough!

Malaysia's 3 singles are indeed formidable. They are now second in terms of quality, just below China's. Indonesia really need to blood young singles players like Andre Kurniawan, Faudzi Adnan, and Markus Wijanu. Start sending them to more competitions next year, otherwise the men's singles will definitely follow the path of ladies's singles since we do not really have any outstanding players currently.


yes... it's very dangerous...

i hope sony can improve .. but i don't expect simon more

[badMania]

i don't remember... i saw it on tv , but it's true (valid) both president and vice gave the reason "busy"... alias tidak ada waktu karena acara sangat padat

Strange...I thought I have read in Kompas that the President DID send off the Indonesian contingent for the SEA Games.

Off the topic of badminton, it must have been the worst SEA Games ever as far as I can recall. It is now the 5th day of competition and the gold medal count ONLY stands at 18. We used to be no 1 in the region (even when the games are held in other nations), but, we have slipped dangerously to 5th now, with Team Singapore just a couple of golds away.

Overall, Team Indonesia HAS FAILED in the regeneration of athletes in the two sports which offer the most medals: Athletics and Aquatics. We managed only 1 GOLDs in each sport. Not to mention that the one who got the gold for swimming is a 33-year old Richard Sam Bera, who has been competing in the games since he was a teenager I think. I thought he was already retired a few years ago! We have even lost our dominance in Pencak Silat, which is supposed to be Team Indonesia's gold mine and traditional sport.

It has been a sad week.....

[taufik-ist]

Strange...I thought I have read in Kompas that the President DID send off the Indonesian contingent for the SEA Games.

Off the topic of badminton, it must have been the worst SEA Games ever as far as I can recall. It is now the 5th day of competition and the gold medal count ONLY stands at 18. We used to be no 1 in the region (even when the games are held in other nations), but, we have slipped dangerously to 5th now, with Team Singapore just a couple of golds away.

Overall, Team Indonesia HAS FAILED in the regeneration of athletes in the two sports which offer the most medals: Athletics and Aquatics. We managed only 1 GOLDs in each sport. Not to mention that the one who got the gold for swimming is a 33-year old Richard Sam Bera, who has been competing in the games since he was a teenager I think. I thought he was already retired a few years ago! We have even lost our dominance in Pencak Silat, which is supposed to be Team Indonesia's gold mine and traditional sport.

It has been a sad week.....

you can also find the news in http://www.jawapos.co.id

[Ningtyas]

Wow, i'm a bit surprised reading this...but this could be a valid reason also for the lack of success..

I will try translating it. Do you mind giving me the source??Is it from Kompas or JawaPos or another news source??..Anyway, here is the translation:

"..maybe the Indonesian President(SBY) or the Vice President(Kalla) "was not" willing to or reserve "a little bit of their time" to welcome or provide any support to the Indonesia's SEA Games contingent, before departing to Phillippines whereas it was already a tradition. Whereupon as the result, they were not enthused in competing, as proven with the low Gold medal counts.."

thanks for the translation. It's rather cynical, isn't it.

I believe what Agum Gumelar said, "it's just a bad timing".
The President couldn't do that because of that APEC schedule in Korea.

While Jusuf Kalla, well, perhaps he was just too busy with his Golkar schedule... I don't know.

[madbad]

I don't know what really happen to Sony. Truly he played awfully, but I don't think he did that on purpose for whatever reason. Maybe he was just too nervous? He didn't use all the weapons he have in fighting. Indeed it was dissappointing.
Our players (who commented on TV) often mentioning that for them playing for the nation is really different from playing in open tournaments. The burden is so huge. When they are expected to win, especially in crucial point, sometimes players become too nervous and make a lot of errors instead.
Well I am sure that's the case with Markis Kidho, but don't know about Sony, though. Just give him more chance. :)

Indeed we do not have enough good MS players this time, and also WS and WD players. That's a problem the PBSI have to solve soon. Or else we will be left behind....
Last night Sigit was full of praise with the Malaysian team, the BAM, how the MAS govt give full attention to improve their badminton, etc, etc. I guess there are unspoken words about our own poor condition.... Duh!

It's true that when you represent your country the pressure sometimes becomes unbearable. When I was growing up, the Indonesians always thrived on the pressure and forced their opponents into mistakes. I remember on more than one occasion Malaysia, with their poor mental strength, was the victim. It seems now that the tables have turned. Aside from Tuafik, the other men's singles players are truly suspect mentally. Even the doubles pairs cannot be fully relied on. However, I like Markis & Hendra and hope they can carry the Indonesian flag for a while.

Do you think the PBSI will learn from this and change their policy of exposing their younger players more to international competition? Or is internal politics going to bring it down and drag the wonderful Indonesian badminton along with it? Yes, truly sad, especially for the past greats to see this happening before their eyes.

[Sandy]

Indonesia really need to blood young singles players like Andre Kurniawan, Faudzi Adnan, and Markus Wijanu. Start sending them to more competitions next year, otherwise the men's singles will definitely follow the path of ladies's singles since we do not really have any outstanding players currently.

Big question is who are the future Indonesian players ?

In last selection for 4th single Thomas Cup, Andre Kurniawan, Markus Wijanu & Ari Yuli took 1st, 2nd & 3rd position followed Fauzi Adnan, Andreas Muliawarman, Sakti Kusuma and Alamsyah (I don't know the order 4th to 7th).
2nd selection in Malaysia Satellite,
Tommy Sugiarto lost to CHONG Li Qun (MAS) in 2nd round 8/15, 17/14, 15/4
Andre Kurniawan lost to Yogendran KRISHNAN in Qurter Final 15/12, 15/13
Markus Wijanu lost to Yogendran KRISHNAN in Semi Final 15/12, 15/5

PBSI has wasted too much time, money & player's talent with multiple promotion & degradation.

Andre Kurniawan was recruited to Pelatnas in young age and he won as 2003 Senior National Champions in junior age then he eliminated in 2004.
He pulled again in to Pelatnas in after won 2004 Junior National Champions and promotion selection.
Maybe this is first time in Indonesia badminton history, a player won Senior National championships earlier than Junior National Championships.

I just showed the time, money & talent wasting and I thaught that he wasn't trained by right coach before. Now his coach changed to Mulyo Handoyo, I hope better.

[abedeng]

I remember not so very long ago that PBSI used to get support/funding from private companies for the development of badminton, not to mention support (parallel talent development) from those private badminton clubs. During those times, I can bet that the best M'sian national players would even lose to Indonesian badminton club players who did not represent their country. We in M'sia used to envy PBSI a lot ... ...

Even now Malaysia's BAM still depends on Govt for majority of funding, not much support from private sector save for some sponsorship. And we still don't have parallel talent development coming from badminton clubs either. Maybe just the Sports School in Bukit Jalil ...

[Ningtyas]

Do you think the PBSI will learn from this and change their policy of exposing their younger players more to international competition? Or is internal politics going to bring it down and drag the wonderful Indonesian badminton along with it? Yes, truly sad, especially for the past greats to see this happening before their eyes.

I am not sure... as long as Sutiyoso is the PBSI's chief. He just want instant result and put unnecessary extra burden on players shoulders with his "result-oriented approach" and his "reward and punishment" thing. Huh. That military appraoch won't work! I hope he will be replaced soon by someone who really understand badminton.
Please read this Kompas article (Indonesian).
http://www.kompas.com/kompas-cetak/0508/05/or/1949663.htm

But let's hope that he will learn something. Just as someone mention, this is a good loss, a lesson to learn. If only they would like to learn...

[madbad]

I am not sure... as long as Sutiyoso is the PBSI's chief. He just want instant result and put unnecessary extra burden on players shoulders with his "result-oriented approach" and his "reward and punishment" thing. Huh. That military appraoch won't work! I hope he will be replaced soon by someone who really understand badminton.
Please read this Kompas article (Indonesian).
http://www.kompas.com/kompas-cetak/0508/05/or/1949663.htm

But let's hope that he will learn something. Just as someone mention, this is a good loss, a lesson to learn. If only they would like to learn...

Haha, that's what you get with old school thinking. Young players these days don't respond to that type of strategy. If only the PBSI could understand the psychology of their players. Hmmm, perhaps that should be part of their mandate. Things weren't so complex in years past when players were proud to represent their country and would give their left arm to do it (not so good if you were a lefty). There were less distractions and in a way it made things easier for their national associations. These days, the national associations have to really work, and as PBSI found out the hard way, hard work is not necessarily smart work. Yup, you can't recoup all that poorly spent time and money. And all that talent waiting to be developed... is still waiting.