SEA Games Day 6 -- Finals

[badMania]

3 All-Indonesian Finals and 3 confirmed GOLD MEDALS.
The problem for the officials is to "let" who win....

MEN'S SINGLES
Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Simon Santoso
-- if there is team order, I believe the coach would have told Sony to "let" Simon win --> so that this win can be a platform for Simon to really become a world class player and go all the way next year

MEN'S DOUBLES
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan
-- on form, no doubt Luluk/Alven will clinch it! Team order will also let them win because Markis/Hendra already clinched 2 titles this year.

MIXED DOUBLES
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Anggun Nugroho/Yunita Tetty
-- world champion to win their third title this year! BUT, team order could also let Anggun/Yunita taste their first ever gold medal.

Now...for the more important clashes:
WOMEN'S SINGLES
Wong Meow Choo vs Adrianti Firdasari
-- I am rooting for Firda to win! A SEA Games gold will boost the entire women's singles department. Hendrawan also deserves something for his coaching in the past 1 year!

WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui
-- as I mentioned in other thread, Wong/Chin has the tendency to falter in the final. Jo/Greysia has improved a lot these 2 mths and they have beaten the top seed Saralee/Sathinee. They and Atik Jauhari deserve a fitting end to the year.

[dugz86]

3 All-Indonesian Finals and 3 confirmed GOLD MEDALS.
The problem for the officials is to "let" who win....

MEN'S SINGLES
Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Simon Santoso
-- if there is team order, I believe the coach would have told Sony to "let" Simon win --> so that this win can be a platform for Simon to really become a world class player and go all the way next year

MEN'S DOUBLES
Luluk Hadiyanto/Alven Yulianto vs Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan
-- on form, no doubt Luluk/Alven will clinch it! Team order will also let them win because Markis/Hendra already clinched 2 titles this year.

MIXED DOUBLES
Nova Widianto/Lilyana Natsir vs Anggun Nugroho/Yunita Tetty
-- world champion to win their third title this year! BUT, team order could also let Anggun/Yunita taste their first ever gold medal.

Now...for the more important clashes:
WOMEN'S SINGLES
Wong Meow Choo vs Adrianti Firdasari
-- I am rooting for Firda to win! A SEA Games gold will boost the entire women's singles department. Hendrawan also deserves something for his coaching in the past 1 year!

WOMEN'S DOUBLES
Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui
-- as I mentioned in other thread, Wong/Chin has the tendency to falter in the final. Jo/Greysia has improved a lot these 2 mths and they have beaten the top seed Saralee/Sathinee. They and Atik Jauhari deserve a fitting end to the year.


I Agree with you. My prediction are same with u but i think Sony will win because Sony has more experience and sometimes Simon is not constant, If in good form he can beat the top players, and i think he has stage fright. (ayo Son kamu bisa)

For Luluk/Alven i know them very well. Now is the time to them win the Gold for Indo. I think Luluk can be more confidence now because the opponent are not strong enough. Maybe Kido/Jangkis can be the dark horse. (Mas Luluk nanti di Cipayung aku traktir klo menang)

Nova/Butet i think can win because they have more exp than anggun/yunita. the 1st indo pair can get the gold on the final. (Ayo mas Kidengg)

Adriyanti Firdasari in the top form now but wong is the good player. the chance to win is 50-50. Perhaps Indo can beat Malaysia. :)

Jo/Bogel In the top form now. kak Atik maybe can happy if they can beat the msian pair. Last meeting Jo/bogel lost to msian pair (If i'm not wrong) Perhaps they can revenge. Ayooo Bogellllll

[badMania]

For Luluk/Alven i know them very well. Now is the time to them win the Gold for Indo. I think Luluk can be more confidence now because the opponent are not strong enough. Maybe Kido/Jangkis can be the dark horse. (Mas Luluk nanti di Cipayung aku traktir klo menang)

Jo/Bogel In the top form now. kak Atik maybe can happy if they can beat the msian pair. Last meeting Jo/bogel lost to msian pair (If i'm not wrong) Perhaps they can revenge. Ayooo Bogellllll

On an side note...hmm...why are Hendra Setiawan called "Jangkis" and Greysia Polii called "Bogel"? This is the first time I heard these nicknames. Just curious who are the Indonesian chinese among these batch of young players. I am pretty sure that Butet, Hendra, Greysia, Yunita, and Firda are. For the generation above them, I suspect Alven and Jo (could be her chinese surname) Novita are. I couldn't tell because the chinese papers are not reporting their chinese names. For the veterans still playing now, only Candra (Chen Jialiang) and Eng Hian (Xu Yongxian) have "official" chinese names.

Seems u are pretty close to the Cipayung players and officials ah? I saw most of them while they were at the HK Open, training on the multi-purpose halls in between matches, eg: Simon, Candra, Ko Herry, Sony, Anggun, and Yunita

Also chatted with Minarti Timur and an Indonesian official (forget his name). Bumped into Yunita Tetty as well after she has finished her quarter-final match against Lee/Lee, but, didnt chat with her. Also saw Butet with her video-camera during the match between Jo/Greysia and Emms/Kellogg. Saw one other women double player which I didn't recognize...could be either Lita or Nathalia.

Hmm....if I am around in HK next November, perhaps I will volunteer myself as a liason officer during the HK Open and hope to know these players more!

[ctjcad]

Just curious who are the Indonesian chinese among these batch of young players. I am pretty sure that Butet, Hendra, Greysia, Yunita, and Firda are. For the generation above them, I suspect Alven and Jo (could be her chinese surname) Novita are.
hmm, how about Simon Santoso(sounds like has a chinese surname to me)..??.. :confused: :rolleyes:


Hmm....if I am around in HK next November, perhaps I will volunteer myself as a liason officer during the HK Open and hope to know these players more!
you *should* badMania, when you have the chance.. :) :cool:
but since you are living in HK and they hold HK Open practically every year, you can see & meet the players often, if they decide to come...Us folkz living here in the states, bleh, won't have many chances to see many of the international pro players playing in our backyard.. :p :(

[badMania]

you *should* badMania, when you have the chance.. :) :cool:
but since you are living in HK and they hold HK Open practically every year, you can see & meet the players often, if they decide to come...Us folkz living here in the states, bleh, won't have many chances to see many of the international pro players playing in our backyard.. :p :(

I lost the chance this year :cool:

I might not be around in HK next November because there's a chance that I will have to go to the States for several months from end 2006 till early 2007. If they hold the HK Open as originally scheduled at the end of July, I will definitely be around!

[Sandy]

Just curious who are the Indonesian chinese among these batch of young players. I am pretty sure that Butet, Hendra, Greysia, Yunita, and Firda are. For the generation above them, I suspect Alven and Jo (could be her chinese surname) Novita are. I couldn't tell because the chinese papers are not reporting their chinese names. For the veterans still playing now, only Candra (Chen Jialiang) and Eng Hian (Xu Yongxian) have "official" chinese names.


It's hard to know some "North Sulawesi" players (Liliana Natsir, Greysia Polii, Nathalia Poluakan also Heny Budiman, Lily Tampi, Deyana Lomban & Flandy Limpele in men) are native Indonesian or Chinese Indonesian, they are looked similar. For those name I'm sure just Poluakan is Chinese Indonesian and Flandy & Deyana are native Indonesian. Lita Nurlita is mixed Chinese & Sundanese.

Simon Santoso, Jo Novita, Yunita Tetty, Hendra Setiawan, Alven Yulianto are Chinese Indonesian.

All 3 players (Firda, Maria & Fransisca) are native Indonesian, not sure with Wiwis Meyliana & Rosaria Pungkasari in Pelatnas.

[badMania]

Simon Santoso, Jo Novita, Yunita Tetty, Hendra Setiawan, Alven Yulianto are Chinese Indonesian.

All 3 players (Firda, Maria & Fransisca) are native Indonesian.

Hmm...never expected Simon Santoso to be a Chinese...he doesn't look like a Chinese to me :rolleyes: I am actually pretty convinced that he is not. Well, at least the other ones are pretty obvious. Currently, their chinese names are direct translations from their Indo names.

On the other hand, Firda does look like a Chinese. Similarly, for Butet and Greysia.

[Sandy]

Hmm...never expected Simon Santoso to be a Chinese...he doesn't look like a Chinese to me :rolleyes: I am actually pretty convinced that he is not. Well, at least the other ones are pretty obvious. Currently, their chinese names are direct translations from their Indo names.

On the other hand, Firda does look like a Chinese. Similarly, for Butet and Greysia.

maybe you looked wrong Simon, like in other post you ask Markis Kidho's pic as Simon's

[ants]

I hoe the msian gals will bag the gold. Its really dissapointing to hear that the boys lost in the individual event.

[badMania]

maybe you looked wrong Simon, like in other post you ask Markis Kidho's pic as Simon's

Err...that was not my post I believe, it was Chris's:p I have seen Simon before.

[dugz86]

Simon is chinese. He is from Tegal. Greysia is half chinese half indo. She is from manado. Maybe for all the women's singles players are not chinese(not really close with them). Butet is chinese. Hendra setiawan is chinese. Kido is not chinese. Lita and nathalia also not chinese. Jo Novita is chinese.:)

[Sandy]

Simon is chinese. He is from Tegal. Greysia is half chinese half indo. She is from manado. Maybe for all the women's singles players are not chinese(not really close with them). Butet is chinese. Hendra setiawan is chinese. Kido is not chinese. Lita and nathalia also not chinese. Jo Novita is chinese.:)

Lita Nurlita ever say in Bola Tabloid that she if mixed half Chinese & Sundanese.
I ever seen Nathalia Poluakan, her face & physically clearly Chinese.

this is the link some people talked and posted the picture about Simon Santoso

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12936

[ctjcad]

I might not be around in HK next November because there's a chance that I will have to go to the States for several months from end 2006 till early 2007.

:eek: ...you're coming here to the states next year??... :eek: if so, looking forward to you coming herel!!..:) :cool:
perhaps you can play some baddie with us??..do you know where, which state, you will be going to??...that's cool badMania!.. :)

[ctjcad]

maybe you looked wrong Simon, like in other post you ask Markis Kidho's pic as Simon's

Err...that was not my post I believe, it was Chris's:p I have seen Simon before.
yah, that was me, not badMania, guessing it was Simon(just because he was standing next to Taufik and Sony and thought they were the 3 MS players)..:p..after looking at the pic again, i remembered Markis' face and realized it wasn't Simon.. :p

[ctjcad]

this is the link some people talked and posted the picture about Simon Santoso

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12936

aahh, so that's Simon...yup, he sure look chinese to me...hehe..:p:)

[ants]

Indonesia had a chance to sweep all golds in the individual events. At least a consolation after losing out in for both men and womens and team events.
No body could expect this kind of results.. even me. Only 2 msians in the finals and suprisingly in womens event.

[Sandy]

I predict 4 for Indonesia and 1 for Malaysia, WMC in Women's Single.

[badMania]

:eek: ...you're coming here to the states next year??... :eek: if so, looking forward to you coming herel!!..:) :cool:
perhaps you can play some baddie with us??..do you know where, which state, you will be going to??...that's cool badMania!.. :)

Off the topic:
Well, I was there in January, in Phillie and NY. Suprisingly, Phillie has a pretty large population of Indos (both students and working adults). Some even told me they are working in factories :eek: :eek:

I should be based in Austin if I am confirmed going there....for a few mths only. I will definitely drop u a PM if I am going to the States. My younger sis lives there actually (in Columbus).

[badMania]

aahh, so that's Simon...yup, he sure look chinese to me...hehe..:p:)

He looked a bit tanned when I saw him at the QE stadium last mth. Thats why I thought he is a native. Never in my mind I thought he is a chinese.

[Sandy]

Widianto/Natsir lead 15-6 ind 1st set

live broadcast in ANTV

[Sandy]

Widianto/Natsir lead 15-6 8-0 ind Ad. break

[badMania]

Widianto/Natsir lead 15-6 8-0 ind Ad. break

For a change..I will cheer for the underdogs :D Come on Anggun/Yunita!!!!

[ctjcad]

He looked a bit tanned when I saw him at the QE stadium last mth. Thats why I thought he is a native. Never in my mind I thought he is a chinese.

hehe, his last name alone, *Santoso*, would "automatically" put him as a "chinese"..hehehe.. :rolleyes: ;)

[badMania]

Widianto/Natsir lead 15-6 8-0 ind Ad. break

Keep the updates running....thanks. If the order follows the normal one, then women's singles should be up next!

[Sandy]

hehe, his last name alone, *Santoso*, would "automatically" put him as a "chinese"..hehehe.. :rolleyes: ;)

not Budi Santoso

[ctjcad]

not Budi Santoso

?!?!...hehe, what's the difference other than the first name and most likely they're not related??... :confused: :rolleyes: ;)

[Sandy]

15-6 13-2 Nova/Liliana

Anggun/Yunita tried to play in slow mode after they lost in fast pace

[Sandy]

Widianto/Natsir d Nugroho/Tetty 15-6 15-2

[badMania]

Widianto/Natsir d Nugroho/Tetty 15-6 15-2

Another easy win for the world champion. I actually prefer it if they face Sudket/Saralee in the final. The trend is all the opponents they face in this year's final are not considered world class yet! The opponents have done the hard work for them in eliminating the supposedly better pairs.

When they do meet the world class pairs in the quarter-final or semi-final, they tend to loss (eg: Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms; Chen Qiqiu or Zheng Bo/Zhao Tingting; Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung). I hope Nova/Butet can at least show more consistency by beating these few pairs next year. The first test will be the All-England!

[zia.ufrida]

Sandy curaaaaang..:)
nonton ga bilang2. ok deh berhubung gw ga bisa liat ANTV. so would u plz keep update...

Love u



Widianto/Natsir d Nugroho/Tetty 15-6 15-2

[kemana]

hehe, his last name alone, *Santoso*, would "automatically" put him as a "chinese"..hehehe.. :rolleyes: ;)
why?:confused:
to me , he dosen't look like chinese , and his name dosen't look like chinese either:o

[dugz86]

not Budi Santoso

Budi Santoso is chinese but muslim. He married with ema ermawati. His wife is not chinese. Indonesian

[Sandy]

short game but long awarding ceremony
Yuni Kartika talked with poor commentator who didn't know the next mixed double Indonesia

now Luluk/Alven vs Markis/Hendra

L/A lead 8-5

[Sandy]

5-8 MK serve
6-8 long ret LH
7-8 good drive HS
8-8 wide
9-8 smash HS

[Sandy]

10-8 good placing & smash HS
11-8 agressive play MK/HS

[Sandy]

12-8 long ue LH
13-8 good ret. smash HS
14-8 long ue LH
15-8 net ret. samsh AY

Markis/Hendra lead 15-8

[Sandy]

2-1 wide MK ret.
3-1 good ret. LH
4-1 net ret. smash
4-1 good smash MK

LH/AY pull MK in back side

1-4 good placing HS

[madbad]

LH/AY pull MK in back side



Ouch, that sounds painful! :D :D :p

[Sandy]

1-4
1-4 good move LH
4-1 good smash HS
5-1 smash LH
1-5 long ret.
2-5 net ret. samsh AY
2-5 fail smash HS
3-5 good placing MK

[ctjcad]

hehe, his last name alone, *Santoso*, would "automatically" put him as a "chinese"..hehehe..

why?:confused:
to me , he dosen't look like chinese , and his name dosen't look like chinese either:o
sorry folkz, this is getting really off topic... :p :p , but last comment from me on this silly issue:
Sure, his family name, Santoso, "doesn't look like chinese" if you are referring to Lin or Chen or Bao etc. However, he has a Chinese name. My guess is, it's written as Santoso because it is an Indonesian-Chinese name and most likely for his status/passport purpose. Thus, i'm quite sure Simon Santoso is of Chinese heritage, just by his name and looking at his pics.
Nuff said... :p :rolleyes:

[Sandy]

4-5 smash MK
5-5
5-5 long serv.
5-5 net ue LH
6-5 AY
7-5 smash LH/AY
8-5
5-8 net ue LH
5-8
8-5
8-5
9-5 long
5-9
5-9 hard smash AY
6-9 net ue AY, MK out of position
7-9 good moving HS
9-7 net MK

[weeyet]

when will the WS and WD start?

[Sandy]

9-7 long ret. LH
7-9 long another ue LH
7-9 good ret. LH
9-7 good placing

[Sandy]

9-7 net ret. LH
7-9 net weak ret. LH
7-9 wide ret. smash MK
9-7 smah LH, weak ret. MK

[badMania]

9-7 long ret. LH
7-9 long another ue LH
7-9 good ret. LH
9-7 good placing

Hmm....seems like Markis/Hendra is on fire! Come on Luluk/Alven...u dont want to end the year with no titles in the bag!

[Sandy]

10-7 wide drop shot HS
11-7
12-7 fail netting HS
12-7 good drive HS
7-12
7-12 smash LH
12-7 net ret. HS
13-7 net HS
13-7 wide serv. LH
14-7 let the serv. in
15-7 wide ret

Luluk/Alven v Markis/Hendra tied 8-15 15-7

[badMania]

10-7 wide drop shot HS
11-7
12-7 fail netting HS
12-7 good drive HS
7-12
7-12 smash LH
12-7 net ret. HS
13-7 net HS
13-7 wide serv. LH
14-7 let the serv. in
15-7 wide ret

Luluk/Alven v Markis/Hendra tied 8-15 15-7

YES!!!! Come one Luluk/Alven!

[Sandy]

1-0 good placing AY
0-1 smash HS
0-1 good moving LH
1-0 smash AY
2-0 net ue MK
2-0 good net play HS
3-0 wide ret. HS
4-0 net ue MK
0-4 fast smash HS

[kemana]

sorry folkz, this is getting really off topic... :p :p , but last comment from me on this silly issue:
Sure, his family name, Santoso, "doesn't look like chinese" if you are referring to Lin or Chen or Bao etc. However, he has a Chinese name. My guess is, it's written as Santoso because it is an Indonesian-Chinese name and most likely for his status/passport purpose. Thus, i'm quite sure Simon Santoso is of Chinese heritage, just by his name and looking at his pics.
Nuff said... :p :rolleyes:
thx for the explaination:)

[Sandy]

1-4 fail ret LH
2-4 good back placing
3-4 smash MK

[badMania]

1-0 good placing AY
0-1 smash HS
0-1 good moving LH
1-0 smash AY
2-0 net ue MK
2-0 good net play HS
3-0 wide ret. HS
4-0 net ue MK
0-4 fast smash HS

A good start to the rubber. I hope they can continue the momentum.

[Sandy]

4-4 fast play MK
5-4
5-4 net ret. serv. LH
4-6 net ret.
4-6 smash touch net
6-4 MK/HS lead

[terry]

1-4 fail ret LH
2-4 good back placing
3-4 smash MK

Thanks for the update. :cool:

[Sandy]

7-4 agressive play MK/HS
7-4 smash AY
4-7 smash AY
5-7 smash LH
5-7 closed netting MK
6-7 let the ball in MK
7-6
7-6 shrt serv. HS
8-6 smash HS, MK/HS lead 8-7

[badMania]

7-6
7-6 shrt serv. HS
8-6 smash HS, MK/HS lead 8-7

Tight match...I hope Luluk/Alven can pull away.

[sen]

Kidho-Hendra won
15-6

[Sandy]

9-6
10-6
11-6 good serv. MK
12-6 smash touch net MK
6-12
6-12
12-6 net LH
13-6 good placing MK/HS
6-13 net snmash MK
6-13 good smash HS
13-6 net ue LH
14-6 net ret. fe LH
14-6 net smash ue MK
6-14 net ret. HS
6-14 net ret. smash LH
14-6 smash after weak ret.
14-6 net smash ue MK
15-6 wide ret

Markis Kidho/Hendra Setiawan d Luluk Hadiyanto/ Alven Yulianto 15-8 7-15 15-6

[badMania]

Kidho-Hendra won
15-6

SIGH....a sad end of the year for Luluk/Alven with not even a single title :crying: :crying:

Anyway, congrats to Markis/Hendra. 3 titles this year, with creditable wins over all their seniors. They have yet proven that they can take the no 1 double spot in the near future. Let's hope they are more consistent next year. I have great hopes for them. Next year, their focus will be to break into the top 5 and win some big titles.

[kemana]

so, what's next ?:) :) :)

[Sandy]

next match, Jo Novita/Greysia Polii vs Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui

1-0 smash after good netting WPT
2-0 net ret. JN
3-0 smash CEH
3-0 long
0-3 long
1-3 net ue

high lob play by MAS, the way they beat INA pair in Indonesia Open also Japan pair in Asian Championships

2-3 net WPT
3-3 net ue CEH
3-3 net ret. smash JN
4-3 good placing JN
3-4 fail ret. smash GP
3-4 wide smash CEH
4-3 good drive GP
4-3 racket off
3-4 good drop shot
4-4 wide JN
5-4 net ue JN
6-4 crossed smash WPT
7-4 boring long rally and smah WPT to ended

[Sandy]

8-4 good placing
8-4 smash GP
9-4 weak ret. INA and smash WPT
10-4 crossed drop shot WPT

[badMania]

high lob play by MAS, the way they beat INA pair in Indonesia Open also Japan pair in Asian Championships
6-4 crossed smash WPT
7-4 boring long rally and smah WPT to ended

Hmm...the Indo pair must have learnt their mistakes. Let's hope they can win.

[Sandy]

4-10 crossed placing GP
5-10 long ue CEH
5-10 good plaing WPT
6-10 lucky net ball
10-6 net ue JN

[badMania]

8-4 good placing
8-4 smash GP
9-4 weak ret. INA and smash WPT
10-4 crossed drop shot WPT

It's a little too fast....but never mind. Use the first set to learn more abt your opponents. U can do it!

[Sandy]

11-6 smash CEH
12-6 another weak ret INA pair, smash CEH
12-6 net ret. CEH
6-12 short serv. WPT
7-12 long ret. CEH
8-12 long easy ball ue CEH
9-12 net WPT, good crossed placing by INA

[Sandy]

9-12 good placing WPT
10-12 good drive JN
11-12 net ret. smash CEH
12-12 wide netting CEH
12-12 good netting WPT

[badMania]

WOW...a wonderful fightback. If they can get the 3 points, the match should be theirs!

[Sandy]

12-12 tricky crosssed placing JN, INA pair more agressive
13-12 smash CEH
14-12 net ret. JN
15-12 fail ret. JN

WPT/CEH lead 15-12

[badMania]

12-12 tricky crosssed placing JN, INA pair more agressive
13-12 smash CEH
14-12 net ret. JN
15-12 fail ret. JN

WPT/CEH lead 15-12

SIGH...nevertheless, a close first set. Dun't give up yet....FIGHTBACK!!

[Sandy]

1-0 net JN
0-1
0-1 smash MAS
1-1 smash GP
2-1 net CEH
1-2 good crossed ret from back WPT
2-2 smash WPT
2-2 net ret. smash WPT
2-2 net serv. CEH
3-2 let the ball in WPT
3-2 wide smash ue JN
2-3 wide ue JN
2-3 long serv. CEH
3-3 smash WPT
3-3
4-3 net ue WPT after long rally, INA lead
5-3 far wide WPT
6-3 good drop shot JN
7-3 good defense INA, net CEH

[badMania]

4-3 net ue WPT after long rally, INA lead
5-3 far wide WPT
6-3 good drop shot JN
7-3 good defense INA, net CEH

A good sign for team Indonesia. Keep up the good work gals.

[Sandy]

7-3 net ue JN
8-3 long ret. CEH
3-8 smash on the middle CEH
3-8 agressive play MAS but wide smash CEH
4-8 smash after weak ret. WPT
5-8 wide ret smash JN

[Sandy]

8-5 long serv. CEH
9-5 smash JN
9-5 wide ret. ue GP
10-5 tricky placing JN
5-10 good placing WPT

[badMania]

8-5 long serv. CEH
9-5 smash JN
9-5 wide ret. ue GP
10-5 tricky placing JN
5-10 good placing WPT

Come on Jo/Greysia! 5 more points to seal the second set.

[Sandy]

6-10 long rally, smash CEH
6-10 net ue WPT
7-10 fast smash WPT
8-10 wide GP

[madbad]

8-5 long serv. CEH
9-5 smash JN
9-5 wide ret. ue GP
10-5 tricky placing JN
5-10 good placing WPT

Wow Sandy you're doing a great job, very professional "commentary" :) Keep it going.

[Sandy]

9-10 smash WPT
10-9 wide ret. smash WPT

[badMania]

9-10 smash WPT
10-9 wide ret. smash WPT

Time to add a few more points. Its still too close now!

[Sandy]

10-9 smash CEH
9-10 net ret. smash GP, too defensive play INA

[badMania]

10-9 smash CEH
9-10 net ret. smash GP, too defensive play INA

Arghh...they need to start attacking!!!! 2 wasted opportunites.

[Sandy]

9-10 long serv. WPT
10-9 long ret MAS
11-9 good placing JN
11-9 net ue GP
12-9 net ue CEH after long rally
13-9 good drop shot

[rayneee]

Go Indonesia. ATTACK NOT DEFENCE!!!!!!!!!

[badMania]

9-10 long serv. WPT
10-9 long ret MAS
11-9 good placing JN
11-9 net ue GP
12-9 net ue CEH after long rally
13-9 good drop shot

That's the way!!! Now, get the 2 pts and we should go for rubber.

[Sandy]

9-13 fail ret. smash GP
9-13 wide ret.
13-9 wide ret. CEH
14-9 wide ret. CEH
15-9 wide ret. again

INA v MAS tied 12-15 15-9

[badMania]

INA v MAS tied 12-15 15-9

HOHO....that's the way gals! Now, just keep up the momentum and retain the gold medal we had the other time!

[rayneee]

9-13 fail ret. smash GP
9-13 wide ret.
13-9 wide ret. CEH
14-9 wide ret. CEH
15-9 wide ret. again

INA v MAS tied 12-15 15-9

WOOHOO. RUBBER!!!!!

[badMania]

Hmm....Sandy is now offline :crying: :crying:

[zia.ufrida]

OMG...

:crying: :crying: :crying:



Hmm....Sandy is now offline :crying: :crying:

[madbad]

Sandy come back :crying: :crying:

[Sandy]

0-0 wide ret. JN
1-0 net ue GP
1-0 net smash CEH
2-0 net ue GP
0-2 net ue WPT, long rally
1-2 wide ret. smash WPT
1-2 wide smash JN
2-2 let the ball in WPT
2-2 long ret.
3-2 placing by WPT
3-2 wide ret. WPT
4-2 weak ret. INA, smash CEH
5-2 smash WPT
2-5 fail ret. CEH
2-5 long serv.
5-2 smash CEH
5-2 wide placing CEH

[rayneee]

Sandy come back :crying: :crying:

Yeah...come back Sandy...:crying:

[Sandy]

2-5 net. ret. smash WPT
2-5 net ue JN
3-5 crossed ret. GP
5-3 good placing CEH

[madbad]

I knew Sandy wouldn't let us down :) :) :)

[Sandy]

6-3 weak ret, smash WPT

[badMania]

2-5 net. ret. smash WPT
2-5 net ue JN
3-5 crossed ret. GP
5-3 good placing CEH

Thanks for coming back!
Hmm...not a good start by the Indonesian pair. They need to take the initiative from the beginning.

[Sandy]

7-3 let the ball in JN
8-3 long ret.

[eling]

who is 6 n who is 3?

[zia.ufrida]

look at the score...:confused:

seems that malaysian pair back to their form


2-5 net. ret. smash WPT
2-5 net ue JN
3-5 crossed ret. GP
5-3 good placing CEH

[madbad]

look at the score...:confused:

seems that malaysian pair back to their form

8-3 MAS, switch sides now

[badMania]

7-3 let the ball in JN
8-3 long ret.

COME ON gals!!!

[tutu_h]

who is 6 n who is 3?

m'sia leading i guess

[abedeng]

look at the score...:confused:

seems that malaysian pair back to their form

We MAS supporters are not concerned about their form, more about their consistency.

[eling]

ok thanks....go malaysia!!

[Sandy]

9-3 smash CEH
9-3 net ue CEH
10-3 smash MAS
3-10 good placing GP

[badMania]

9-3 smash CEH
9-3 net ue CEH
10-3 smash MAS
3-10 good placing GP

SIGH...its an uphill task now :mad:
Can the gals comeback and at least shorten the gap????

[eling]

9-3 smash CEH
9-3 net ue CEH
10-3 smash MAS
3-10 good placing GP
sandy is malaysia 10 now?

[Sandy]

3-10 smash CEH, MAS play faster
10-3 net ue JN

[Sandy]

10-3 net smash ue CEH
11-3 smash WPT, MAS play agressive

[Sandy]

3-11 good placing JN
3-11 net ue JN
11-3 net fe JN

[Sandy]

11-3 long rally, tricky plcing JN
3-11 net fe WPT

[badMania]

11-3 long rally, tricky plcing JN
3-11 net fe WPT

Come on gals...no points since 3-4 serves???

[Sandy]

4-11 good placing JN
4-11 weak ret. smash CEH
11-4 wide ret. GP

[Sandy]

11-4 good drive JN
12-4 long ret. smash JN
4-12 net ue WPT

[Sandy]

5-12 good smash JN
6-12 wide ret. CEH
7-12 weak ret., smash JN
7-12 weak. ret, smash WPT

[zia.ufrida]

(jantungku mau copot)

11-4 good drive JN
12-4 long ret. smash JN
4-12 net ue WPT

[badMania]

11-4 good drive JN
12-4 long ret. smash JN
4-12 net ue WPT

Hmm...it has been 4-11 for quite a long time. The Indon pair still not giving up yet. BUT, they need some easy points before they really have a solid chance.

[Sandy]

8-12 good drive GP
12-8 smash CEH

[badMania]

5-12 good smash JN
6-12 wide ret. CEH
7-12 weak ret., smash JN
7-12 weak. ret, smash WPT

This is what I meant by easy points! Let them come now.....
*biting my nail*

[badMania]

8-12 good drive GP
12-8 smash CEH

A good start...but now....DEFENSE!!!!!!

[Sandy]

12-8 long serv. CEH
13-8 good short placing
14-8 smash CEH

[Sandy]

8-14 crossed drive JN

[badMania]

8-14 crossed drive JN

Now, they really need to grab the points!! They have let too many easy points early in the third set.

[Sandy]

8-14 net ret. smash GP
9-14 wide crossed smsh CEH
10-14 net smsah ue WPT
11-14 net smash CEH

[Sandy]

12-14 wide placing WPT

[madbad]

This is tense stuff :eek:

[Sandy]

13-14 good placing GP

[badMania]

13-14 good placing GP

OOOHH...come on...kill the shuttle!!!! Get at least a deuce. May the force be with u gals....

[Sandy]

14-13 agressive play MAS, smash WPT

[khwong]

come on! malaysia boleh!

[Sandy]

14-13 wide crossing WPT

[rayneee]

Go Indonesia!!!!!!!!

[badMania]

14-13 wide crossing WPT

Arghh...this is tense.....make one error....pleasee.......

[Sandy]

15-13 long ret, JN

Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui d Jo Novita/Greysia Polii 15-12 9-15 15-13

[zia.ufrida]

:crying: :crying:
:crying: :crying:
:crying: :crying:
:crying: :crying:


15-13 long ret, JN

Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui d Jo Novita/Greysia Polii 15-12 9-15 15-13

[dugz86]

I received from Indo that indo lost

[rayneee]

15-13 long ret, JN

Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui d Jo Novita/Greysia Polii 15-12 9-15 15-13

OH MY GOD. What a close fight. But it's damn saddening. :crying:

[badMania]

15-13 long ret, JN

Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui d Jo Novita/Greysia Polii 15-12 9-15 15-13

Huhuhu.....indeed a close match as I predicted. A good spirit shown by the gals...u will do better next year!

[floorfilla]

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!:cryi ng:

[khwong]

YESSSSS!!!! That's the way to do it!

[madbad]

Imagine what the fans at the arena must have gone through. Damn good stuff!

[khwong]

Imagine what the fans at the arena must have gone through. Damn good stuff!
what a thriller right to the finish! a real nail biter! luckily m'sia prevail!

[floorfilla]

Singapore Ch 5 is showing the women's doubles now..

[madbad]

Congrats to the MAS girls, barely hanging on for the win. Credit to the INA duo for their spirited fightback that fell just short. A great advertisement for badminton. Who needs the 21 pt scoring system?

What's the next match? The last one will be a tough act to follow.

[shawn30_k]

yea and they are going to show the third set too

[madbad]

Sandy thanks again for bringing us the whole match. You must have sore wrists by now :p :) Great job

[wl2172]

congrats to Mas girls, INA dont be greedy, share the gold even :)

[wl2172]

thanks to sandy as well, very nice for you to do this for us

[floorfilla]

Oh No.. They are switching to swimming finals... :(

[Sandy]

next, Sony Dwi Kuncoro vs Simon Santoso

SDK serve

1-0 net ret SS
2-0 crossed smash SDK
3-0 another crossed smash SDK
0-3 long SDK
3-0 crossed placing SDK
4-0 wide ret SS
0-4 wide ret. SDK
4-0 fail netting SS
5-0 smash SDK
6-0 fail netting SS
0-6 good netting & smash SS

[Sandy]

6-0 long SS
0-6 wide crossing SDK
1-6 fail netting SDK
6-1 weak ret, smash SDK

[Sandy]

1-6 strike smash SS
2-6 wide SDK
6-2
7-2 fail netting SS
2-7 placing SS
3-7 smash SS
7-3
8-3 long ret. SS
9-3 jump smash SDK

[Sandy]

3-9 long serv. SDK
4-9 long ret. SDK
5-9 good placing SS
6-9 good smash SS
9-6 smash SDK
10-6 wide placing SS

[Sandy]

9-10 long SDK
10-10 good netting SS

[Sandy]

10-10 smash SDK
11-10
12-10 smash SDK
10-12 smash SS
12-10 wide smash SS
13-10 fail netting SS

[Sandy]

10-13 wide ret. SDK
11-13 smash SS
12-13 let ball in SDK
13-13 good crossing SS

[Sandy]

14-13 wide drop shot ret. SDK, Simon lead
13-14 netting duel, back placing by SDK finished it
14-14 failed netting SS
15-14 sharp smash SDK

[Sandy]

14-15 tricky placing SS
15-14 failed netting SS
16-14 wide smash ue SS
14-16 good placing ret. SS
15-16 long ret. SDK
16-16 wide drop shot SDK, long rally, good defence showed by SS

[Sandy]

16-16 good ret. smash SDK
17-16 net ue SS

Sony Dwi Kuncoro lead 17-16

[ants]

At least malaysia have something to smile about in the individual events. :)

[eling]

At least malaysia have something to smile about in the individual events. :)
WAT U MEAN ANTS?

[abedeng]

At least malaysia have something to smile about in the individual events. :)

Yes, but Wong/Chin are still playing like yo-yo. Until they learn consistency, they won't be able to reach (and maintain) top 5 position.

I saw TV1 broadcast during 2nd set, Cheah Soon Kit has put on a lot of weight.

[Sandy]

2nd set

Sony lead 2-0

3-0 failed netting SS
4-0 wide ret., flying smash by SDK
5-0 long ret. SS
6-0 crossed smash SDK
7-0 weak ret, crossed smash SDK
8-0 net smash ue SS
0-8 wide crossed smash
8-0 net easy smash ue SS
0-8 failed netting SDK
8-0 weak ret, smash SDK
0-8 wide ret. SDK
8-0 wide smash ue SS
0-8 wide smash SDK
8-0 long smash ue SS
9-0 good placing SDK
10-0 let ball in SS
11-0 wide lob ue SS
12-0 long ret. SS
13-0 sharp smash SDK
14-0 fast & sharp smash SDK
0-14 drop shot SS
1-14 wide ret.
2-14 failed netting SS
3-14 wide ret. serv. SDK
14-3 let ball in SS
15-3 long SS, long rally

Sony Dwi Kuncoro d Simon Santoso 17-16 15-3

[abedeng]

Sony Dwi Kuncoro d Simon Santoso 17-16 15-3

Great, he was able to defend his title. Now can WMC defend hers?

[zia.ufrida]

wow...

look at the score... 14-0..

seems that Simon had no spirit after beeing defeated in 1st set. I hope his coach really concern about his mental. He is a good player, unfortunatelly have a "mental kerupuk" (Sorry Simon)


2nd set

Sony lead 2-0

3-0 failed netting SS
4-0 wide ret., flying smash by SDK
5-0 long ret. SS
6-0 crossed smash SDK
7-0 weak ret, crossed smash SDK
8-0 net smash ue SS
0-8 wide crossed smash
8-0 net easy smash ue SS
0-8 failed netting SDK
8-0 weak ret, smash SDK
0-8 wide ret. SDK
8-0 wide smash ue SS
0-8 wide smash SDK
8-0 long smash ue SS
9-0 good placing SDK
10-0 let ball in SS
11-0 wide lob ue SS
12-0 long ret. SS
13-0 sharp smash SDK
14-0 fast & sharp smash SDK
0-14 drop shot SS
1-14 wide ret.
2-14 failed netting SS
3-14 wide ret. serv. SDK
14-3 let ball in SS
15-3 long SS, long rally

Sony Dwi Kuncoro d Simon Santoso 17-16 15-3

[abedeng]

wow...

look at the score... 14-0..

seems that Simon had no spirit after beeing defeated in 1st set. I hope his coach really concern about his mental. He is a good player, unfortunatelly have a "mental kerupuk" (Sorry Simon)

Agree with you there. If it is said that his skills are much better than Taufik, Simon should at least not follow Taufik's lack of effort in some so called "lesser tournaments".

[Sandy]

next, Wong Miew Choo vs Adrianti Firdasari

Firda lead 1-0
2-0
0-2 failed netting AF
1-2 good smash WMC
2-2 failed netting ue AF
2-2 wide crossed ret.
3-2
2-3 long smash AF

[zia.ufrida]

wow... the most wanted match coming...

thanks Sandy...:)

next, Wong Miew Choo vs Adrianti Firdasari

Firda lead 1-0
2-0
0-2 failed netting AF
1-2 good smash WMC
2-2 failed netting ue AF
2-2 wide crossed ret.
2-2 long smash AF

[Sandy]

3-2 good drop shot AF
4-2 another drop shot AF
2-4 net drop shot ue AF
4-2 wide ret. WMC

[zia.ufrida]

go Firda..go...



3-2 good drop shot AF
4-2 another drop shot AF
2-4 net drop shot ue AF
4-2 wide ret. WMC

[Sandy]

2-4 long ret. AF
3-4 long placing AF
4-3 sharp drop shot AF
5-3 good ret. smash AF
3-5 failed netting AF
4-5 let ball in AF
5-5 net ue AF

[badMania]

2-4 long ret. AF
3-4 long placing AF
4-3 sharp drop shot AF
5-3 good ret. smash AF
3-5 failed netting AF
4-5 let ball in AF
5-5 net ue AF

Again, a tight match...the next few points will be crucial.

[Sandy]

5-5 long ret. WMC
6-5 lucky net drop shot AF
7-5 tricky netting AF

[badMania]

5-5 long ret. WMC
6-5 lucky net drop shot AF
7-5 tricky netting AF

GOOD sign. COme on Firda....

[dugz86]

go firdaaaaa. Kamu Bisaaa.

[Sandy]

9-5 long WMC
5-9 net ret ue AF
9-5 sharp drop shot AF
5-9 wide ret fe AF

[DinkAlot]

arkis Kidho/Hendra Setiawan d Luluk Hadiyanto/ Alven Yulianto 15-8 7-15 15-6

Wow! Nice job MK/HS! Thanks for the updates!

[DinkAlot]

Sony Dwi Kuncoro d Simon Santoso 17-16 15-3

Yes! My friend Albert will be very happy about this. He's good friends with Sony. :D

[badMania]

9-5 long WMC
5-9 net ret ue AF
9-5 sharp drop shot AF
5-9 wide ret fe AF

HOHO...2 more...just do it!

[Sandy]

9-5 drop shot in corner AF
5-9 tricky placing WMC
6-9 let ball in AF
9-6
10-6 tricky crossing AF

[zia.ufrida]

come on Firda. keep give her presure.


9-5 long WMC
5-9 net ret ue AF
9-5 sharp drop shot AF
5-9 wide ret fe AF

[Sandy]

6-10 failed netting AF
7-10 drop shot WMC, WMC play faster
10-7 drop shot again AF
7-10 net ue AF

[Sandy]

8-10 net drop shot AF
10-8 drop shot in corner again AF

[badMania]

9-5 drop shot in corner AF
5-9 tricky placing WMC
6-9 let ball in AF
9-6
10-6 tricky crossing AF

GAME POINT....take it gal!

[zia.ufrida]

OMG..
WMC not give up


8-10 net drop shot AF
10-8 drop shot in corner again AF

[Sandy]

11-8 drop shot in corner AF

Adrianti Firdasari lead 11-8

[zia.ufrida]

OK... Hope Firda can make revenge where She was dt in INA open


11-8 drop shot in corner AF

Adrianti Firdasari lead 11-8

[badMania]

11-8 drop shot in corner AF

Adrianti Firdasari lead 11-8

GOOD START! Now, lets hope she can maintain this kinda standard.

[dugz86]

yea.. Thats the way i like it. Firda jia you

[Sandy]

1-0 wide lob WMC, Firda lead
0-1 net smash AF
1-0 corner placing AF
0-1 tricky netting WMC
1-1 net ue AF
1-1 crossed half smash AF
2-1 net smash AF, WMC lead
1-2 crossed smash AF
2-2 long lob
3-2 long WMC
2-3 londg smash AF
3-3 net ue AF
4-3 crossed placing WMC
3-4 long serv. WMC
4-4 good netting AF
4-4 net drop shot ret AF
4-4 long ret. WMC

[zia.ufrida]

very very tight game. I'm worry again :confused:


1-0 wide lob WMC, Firda lead
0-1 net smash AF
1-0 corner placing AF
0-1 tricky netting WMC
1-1 net ue AF
1-1 crossed half smash AF
2-1 net smash AF, WMC lead
1-2 crossed smash AF
2-2 long lob
3-2 long WMC
2-3 londg smash AF
3-3 net ue AF
4-3 crossed placing WMC
3-4 long serv. WMC
4-4 good netting AF
4-4 net drop shot ret AF
4-4 long ret. WMC

[badMania]

4-4 net drop shot ret AF
4-4 long ret. WMC

Still tight....

[Sandy]

5-4 wide netting WMC
6-4 sharp smash AF
4-6 wide lob AF
6-4 crossed placing AF

[zia.ufrida]

go firda... go firda


5-4 wide netting WMC
6-4 sharp smash AF
4-6 wide lob AF
6-4 crossed placing AF

[badMania]

5-4 wide netting WMC
6-4 sharp smash AF
4-6 wide lob AF
6-4 crossed placing AF

A couple of good breaks for Firda. If she can a few more....

[Sandy]

4-6 wide crossing AF
5-6 net smash AF
6-6 net ue AF
6-6 long unlucky WMC, she always can ret sharp drop shot & smash by Firda
6-6 long ret AF
7-6 failed netting AF, WMC lead
6-7 net fe WMC
7-6 failed netting AF
6-7 wide ret smash WMC
7-7 good smash & drop shot AF

[badMania]

4-6 wide crossing AF
5-6 net smash AF
6-6 net ue AF
6-6 long unlucky WMC, she always can ret sharp drop shot & smash by Firda
6-6 long ret AF
7-6 failed netting AF, WMC lead
6-7 net fe WMC
7-6 failed netting AF
6-7 wide ret smash WMC
7-7 good smash & drop shot AF

Come on Firda....get a few more points.....don't let WMC take a big lead.

[Sandy]

8-7 crossed drop shot in corner by AF, AF lead
9-7 crossed drop shot & lob by AF

[seawell]

Go Wmc！

Come On！！！

[badMania]

8-7 crossed drop shot in corner by AF, AF lead
9-7 crossed drop shot & lob by AF

OH YEAH.....come on gal....the last 2 pts....u can do it!

[zia.ufrida]

6-6 long unlucky WMC, she always can ret sharp drop shot & smash by Firda

yup... WMC have agood defense. Firda should make new strategy

6-6 long ret AF
7-6 failed netting AF, WMC lead
6-7 net fe WMC
7-6 failed netting AF
6-7 wide ret smash WMC
7-7 good smash & drop shot AF[/QUOTE]

hmmm, really tight

[Sandy]

7-9 net smash ue AF
9-7 deep ret in back by AF
10-7 another crossed netting AF
11-7 smash & netting AF

Adrianti Firdasari won 11-8 11-7

[floorfilla]

Congratulations to Firda & Hendrawan!!:)

[badMania]

7-9 net smash ue AF
9-7 deep ret in back by AF
10-7 another crossed netting AF
11-7 smash & netting AF

Adrianti Firdasari won 11-8 11-7

ALL RIGHT!!! Hendrawan must be a proud man now. Firda definitely has improved by leaps and bounds this year! Congrats....and hope she can break to the top 20 next year.

[badMania]

My hats off to Sandy who has done a great work all afternoon, updating the results for those of us who are not in Indo. Thanks mate!

PS: are u m/f ?? Have a hunch u are m actually :p

[zia.ufrida]

YEs..
Firda.. I proud of you.

And Thanks very much Sandy...


7-9 net smash ue AF
9-7 deep ret in back by AF
10-7 another crossed netting AF
11-7 smash & netting AF

Adrianti Firdasari won 11-8 11-7

[abedeng]

YEs..
Firda.. I proud of you.

And Thanks very much Sandy...

Thanks Sandy. Congrats to INDON badminton squad with 4 golds.

We are still where we were in Vietnam, only 2 golds.

[kemana]

7-9 net smash ue AF
9-7 deep ret in back by AF
10-7 another crossed netting AF
11-7 smash & netting AF

Adrianti Firdasari won 11-8 11-7
wah, great job, both Adrianti and sandy!
thanks sandy:)

[mnda_315]

yeahh.. i'm proud of u firda!!

[weeyet]

I love Wong Pei Tty:)
and Chin Ee Hui!!!

But Novita's game is good also!!

[baldybodhi]

yeahh.. i'm proud of u firda!!

Go Firda!!
Maybe at this time she's not really close like china player but i'm sure
next time she will be more indcredible!!
Compare the ranking for both of them..
Wong Mew Choo 14 and Adriyanti Firdasari 43 (des 1st 2005)
too far..but yup!! she can make it!!:D

[baldybodhi]

Thanks Sandy. Congrats to INDON badminton squad with 4 golds.

We are still where we were in Vietnam, only 2 golds.

Indonesia:
4 golds (MS, WS, MD, MX)
5 silver (men's team, MS, MD, WD, MX)
1 bronze (women's team)

I think is out of target (3 gold medals) so suprissing!!..:eek:

[chemile]

Woww!!! Go Firda. You must break to top 20 next year. You are promising player for Indonesia SF in the future. You have proven that you can defeat top 20's player such as WMC, and Li Li. That is good player. I watched your performance and i'm proud of you. Thanks to Hendrawan too, I think he is a good coach, not big mouth, but proven that nothing is impossible. Once, congrat Firda! Don't forget, always keep and improve your performance.... :p

[abedeng]

Go Firda!!
Compare the ranking for both of them..
Wong Mew Choo 14 and Adriyanti Firdasari 43 (des 1st 2005)
too far..but yup!! she can make it!!:D

Let's hope PBSI sends her to more big star tournaments. Then she can realize a top 20 ranking equivalent to WMC/Salakjit/Li Li combo.

Polii/Novita too, I'm impressed with the way they fought Wong/Chin. MAS pair had better technique, skills and deception, but Indon pair were damn stubborn.

Even Wong/Chin said they were quite rattled at the end of 3rd game, not able to finish off the one point from 14-8 to 14-13 when Indon clear went out. Chin even complained about stiff arm with so much smashing.

[baldybodhi]

Let's hope PBSI sends her to more big star tournaments. Then she can realize a top 20 ranking equivalent to WMC/Salakjit/Li Li combo.

Polii/Novita too, I'm impressed with the way they fought Wong/Chin. MAS pair had better technique, skills and deception, but Indon pair were damn stubborn.

Even Wong/Chin said they were quite rattled at the end of 3rd game, not able to finish off the one point from 14-8 to 14-13 when Indon clear went out. Chin even complained about stiff arm with so much smashing.

I 100% agree with you..
But..as usual they have a classical problems..money!!
No sponsorship..no fund!!
That's why Rudy Hartono said that PBSI will send their player only at least he/she/they can reach semifinals..i'm not 100% agree with that..
I Hope what Firda and Jo/Gresya reach in this event will make their eyes and mind more opened..

[abedeng]

But..as usual they have a classical problems..money!!
No sponsorship..no fund!!
That's why Rudy Hartono said that PBSI will send their player only at least he/she/they can reach semifinals..i'm not 100% agree with that..

There must be investment to achieve a result. Not too long ago (after Sylvia Ng era, about same era as your great Verawati) our BAM was of the same opinion as PBSI now, and the girls were confined to local tourneys. I'm surprised with Rudy Hartono's comments, these days skills alone don't win tournament, unlike in his playing days. The Chinese had reinvented the game with unlimited resources and factory-like training methods.

How do you guarantee that someone will reach semis if you don't blood them in tournaments? PBSI and BAM can only teach on http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gifskills, but not on match temperament. Only investing in tournaments can do that.

Take Wong/Chin, for eg. They have not won a final until today. Now that they have, they'll become better players in 2006. And when players become better, they will automatically attract sponsorship. And PBSI stand to reap rewards, but they must invest first.

[baldybodhi]

Yes..i lerned about the girls in Malaysia..they run so fast..a few years ago (end up with Susi Susanti), Indo still being the best ladies in South East Asia but now..we are too far from other country like Thai, Sin And Malay..
I'm really sure..our players still have good tehniques but they're less temperament on tournament like you said..:o



There must be investment to achieve a result. Not too long ago (after Sylvia Ng era, about same era as your great Verawati) our BAM was of the same opinion as PBSI now, and the girls were confined to local tourneys. I'm surprised with Rudy Hartono's comments, these days skills alone don't win tournament, unlike in his playing days. The Chinese had reinvented the game with unlimited resources and factory-like training methods.

How do you guarantee that someone will reach semis if you don't blood them in tournaments? PBSI and BAM can only teach on http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gifskills, but not on match temperament. Only investing in tournaments can do that.

Take Wong/Chin, for eg. They have not won a final until today. Now that they have, they'll become better players in 2006. And when players become better, they will automatically attract sponsorship. And PBSI stand to reap rewards, but they must invest first.

[shawn30_k]

congrats to indonesia for a near clean sweep.

[ctjcad]

Agree with everything you wrote......uh-huh, couldn't said it better......concur......did i say agree also??... :) :) :cool:


There must be investment to achieve a result. Not too long ago (after Sylvia Ng era, about same era as your great Verawati) our BAM was of the same opinion as PBSI now, and the girls were confined to local tourneys. I'm surprised with Rudy Hartono's comments, these days skills alone don't win tournament, unlike in his playing days. The Chinese had reinvented the game with unlimited resources and factory-like training methods.

How do you guarantee that someone will reach semis if you don't blood them in tournaments? PBSI and BAM can only teach on http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gifskills, but not on match temperament. Only investing in tournaments can do that.

Take Wong/Chin, for eg. They have not won a final until today. Now that they have, they'll become better players in 2006. And when players become better, they will automatically attract sponsorship. And PBSI stand to reap rewards, but they must invest first.

[ctjcad]

...for getting 4 out of 5 individual event golds....i know some of the other top players in the world didn't participate in this event, but i'll take the results anyday, even just 3 golds is very good!!..:) :cool: ..after a bit of disappointing results in the team event, that's a very good ending and finish and hopefully all the players go home with a renewed confidence and hunger for more next year..i have some ramblings from the Finals:

-NW/LN pair, well, not much competition i guess for them in this SEA Games, as they are only able to compete in the individual events. The Final was almost like a sparring session, beating AN/YT in straight sets..
-Sony, well, he was able to retain his SEA Games MS title. But good effort by Simon in reaching the Finals, albeit WCH and LCW were probably not in form. Surprise Sony didn't have to play other top players in the Finals(LCW, MHH, BP).
-MK/HS pair, good job also. Redeeming themselves after their disappointing show in the Team event's Final. LH/AY, well, after being a surprise last year, this year has been a struggle for them. Perhaps it's time to shake things up for them. Maybe a *temporary* switch in partnership with either MK/HS?? just to see.. :rolleyes:
-GP/JN pair learned another good lesson in the Finals, just like they did against other pairs they've lost to, but a very good effort nonetheless...They're still quite young, so they should be able to continue to build on their experience next year..Congrats to the MAS WD pair for winning their match..Should be more meetings for both pairs in the future..:) :cool:
-And last, Adrianti, well, what can i say...She has been a surprise this 2nd half of the year, winning and being in contention in most of the tourneys she attended..

Overall, without the presence of Taufik and esp. Candra/Sigit(in the team Finals) to "bail" them out, the rest of the team did well. Lesson learned from this week tourney : the younger pairs/players still need to be send and compete in more international, of higher stars, tourneys for exposure to build up their confidence and mental aspect of the game. IMO, win or lose in those tourneys, that is/should be PBSI's goal for next year.

Oh last, don't want to forget, but a very nice job for Sandy for doing all those typing and scoring update!..:) :cool:

[tweety bird]

You guys know badminton players very well. You must play very well, too. I need your help. I have been posting this question everywhere but I haven't gotten any replies yet. I need an answer asap. I hope you can help.

What score should be recorded on the official score book for games won by default? Is there any official rule on this? If yes, where can I find it?

Thanks again.

[abedeng]

What score should be recorded on the official score book for games won by default? Is there any official rule on this? If yes, where can I find it?

Hi bird,

In normal open tournaments, the loser always get eliminated. If someone withdraws, the opponent gets a walkover. No score needed. Just add w/o on the record for the winning player/s.

However, in group matches, where number of sets and points per set may be required for countback, the default score is the duck (15-0, 15-0). Remember, this is only needed for group matches where the loser is not eliminated immediately, like in Thomas/Uber/Sudirman Cups.

[glencomienda111]

SEA games finals pictures, you can also see the other pictures related to the SEA games here...
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?p=316120#post316120

[glencomienda111]

mens doubles champions

[glencomienda111]

mens singles champions

[glencomienda111]

womens doubles champions

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28697

[badMania]

I am also happy that we can take 4 out of the 5 golds on offer today. No doubt losing the men's team event is disappointing, because we know we can win. Too bad, Sony and Markis/Hendra were both off form that day.

I agree too that the best result of this SEA Games is the women's singles gold. I predicted before the games that Firda will at most enter the semi-final, yet, she surprised everyone and beat Xing Aiying, Salakjit Ponsana, and Wong Meow Choo consecutively. Earlier, she also beat Li Li. So, for the entire games, her record is 6-0. Hendrawan's work definitely paid off. All those cancellations must have worked and the gals definitely improve a lot this year.

What I would like to see next year is for them to be sent to 3-4* tournaments like Chinese Taipei, Thailand, ABC, Phillipines, and Malaysia Opens; the 5-6* home and neighboring opens (Singapore and Indonesia Opens). With at least Round 1/16 or Quarter-Final placing in most of these tournaments, I am sure some of them will go up to at least top 20.

Today's women's doubles was definitely the best match and oh boy..it was a close one at the end. I thought Wong/Chin will have taken the match at 12-4, but, Jo/Greysia showed their never-to-die spirit and fought all the way till the end. Atik Jauhari should be a happy man too despite the eventual loss.

Jo/Greysia have certainly established their position as one of the top 4 pairs in South East Asia, alongside Wong/Chin, Saralee/Sathinee, and Jiang/Li. They should have no problems breaking into the top 10-15, with a current ranking position of 22 at the moment. To be as competitive as the top 4 pairs will be difficult to achieve, but, I expect them to record more wins against the other top 10 pairs and some upset wins against the Chinese and Korean pairs. They have the potential!

As for men's doubles...the 2 pairs we sent here are more or less world class standards (esp Luluk/Alven). Luluk/Alven isn't young anymore and next year is a crucial year for them. They need to really clinch the major titles like All England and WC. Only by doing that then they can be considered a real world class pair. If by end of next year, they still couldnt perform, a split is necessary!

As for Markis/Hendra, I strongly disagree with breaking them up. They are still 21 and I am certainly happy with their achievement this year. The key is to maintain the consistency. They certainly have the attacking edge, what they need is to play smartly and not to attack mindlessly. They have beaten most of the top 10 pair (except maybe for Fu/Cai and Eriksen/Hansen) this year and they will definitely be a world class pair in 1-2 years time. A couple of 5-6* titles will be required of them.

[ctjcad]

SEA games finals pictures, you can also see the other pictures related to the SEA games here...
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/vb/showthread.php?p=316120#post316120

thx again for sharing the pics glen, as we can see pics of other players..:)

[ctjcad]

As for men's doubles...the 2 pairs we sent here are more or less world class standards (esp Luluk/Alven). Luluk/Alven isn't young anymore and next year is a crucial year for them. They need to really clinch the major titles like All England and WC. Only by doing that then they can be considered a real world class pair. If by end of next year, they still couldnt perform, a split is necessary!

As for Markis/Hendra, I strongly disagree with breaking them up. They are still 21 and I am certainly happy with their achievement this year. The key is to maintain the consistency. They certainly have the attacking edge, what they need is to play smartly and not to attack mindlessly. They have beaten most of the top 10 pair (except maybe for Fu/Cai and Eriksen/Hansen) this year and they will definitely be a world class pair in 1-2 years time. A couple of 5-6* titles will be required of them.

Here are some ramblings from me, if you don't mind badMania...
Yes, while i agree that probably now is too early and not the right time to "break-up" either of them, i would say splitting them up for a *temporary* period is not bad either, just to see if they can work with another partner. Now, i'm not trying to say that Luluk/Alven are not going to work, but after going *the whole year* without even 1 title in their pocket, if i'm not mistaken, Luluk/Alven def. have gone the opposite direction from last year's success. One whole year without 1 single title, yet they are "supposedly" going to replace Candra/Sigit..?!?!..But OTOH maybe i might be wrong also, maybe next year Markis/Hendra will struggle and the opposite could happen with Luluk/Alven...hmmmm, we shall see.. :p :rolleyes:

[Sandy]

My hats off to Sandy who has done a great work all afternoon, updating the results for those of us who are not in Indo. Thanks mate!

PS: are u m/f ?? Have a hunch u are m actually :p

welcome thank's

I'm male.
Actually I turned around more in tennis forums esp. WTA. Good traditions in there if people watch live score or broadcast woulde be reported in boards. I just followed this good traditions into badminton.
Nice to see INA, THA, CHN, JPN, KOR, TPE also AUS people supported each others, because we are minority.

I also has biggest games in there, many ppl called this is one of most interesting of board, hope to see badminton also has it.

for comparation, this is my game,
http://www.wtaworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=79

when I run US Open 2005,
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=187709

[Sandy]

he.. he.., this is "Badminton thread" in Tennis forums, I reported live World Championships in it.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=186268

[badMania]

Actually I turned around more in tennis forums esp. WTA. Good traditions in there if people watch live score or broadcast woulde be reported in boards. I just followed this good traditions into badminton.
Nice to see INA, THA, CHN, JPN, KOR, TPE also AUS people supported each others, because we are minority.


Ok...off the topic of badminton.

Ooh...are u one of the guys in Angie forum??? I used to go to her forum during some of the tournaments from 2002-2004. Unfortunately, Angie was injured last year, and have not been able to play for the past 1 year. It is frustrating for tennis fans.

I still remembered the highs during her junior years capturing the Wimbledon, French Open and Aussie Open titles in singles and doubles. Then, also some memorable tournaments like the Wismilak in Bali, the one in Pattaya, Asian Games 2002, and some 2003 tournaments. Angie is definitely one of Indonesia's youth sensation and she even broke into the top 60 or 70 before succumbing to injuries :crying: :crying: :crying:

Well, the women tennis team have been doing well in the SEA Games, thanks to Wynne and Romana. Wynne should capture her third gold and perhaps fourth one with Suwandi in the mixed. But the mixed final is a little tough esp with the presence of the American import in the Phi Team.

[Sandy]

Ooh...are u one of the guys in Angie forum???



Yes, I am Angie's forum member also, but not active enough in there.

[rollerbuzz]

Indonesia should try pairing alvent with hendra setiawan for a change though..

[Sandy]

Indonesia should try pairing alvent with hendra setiawan for a change though..

I agree with your opinion, watch on some unforced error on SEA Gamesmatch, the "weak" player on both pair are Luluk & Markis Kidho.

PBSI's coach maybe knew it more, Markis & Hendra same age and same club although Hendra paired with Joko Riyadi and Markis paired with Ryan Sukmawan in Junior.
Luluk still couldn't change his temperament when critical points and made silly errors. Alvent is the patience player who can manage Luluk's temper.

Alvent & Hendra have 5 years different old, but Jo Novita & Greysia Polii also had it, I thaught still suitable to be paired.

[ctjcad]

Indonesia should try pairing alvent with hendra setiawan for a change though..

I agree with your opinion, watch on some unforced error on SEA Gamesmatch, the "weak" player on both pair are Luluk & Markis Kidho.

PBSI's coach maybe knew it more, Markis & Hendra same age and same club although Hendra paired with Joko Riyadi and Markis paired with Ryan Sukmawan in Junior.
Luluk still couldn't change his temperament when critical points and made silly errors. Alvent is the patience player who can manage Luluk's temper.

Alvent & Hendra have 5 years different old, but Jo Novita & Greysia Polii also had it, I thaught still suitable to be paired.
Hmm, IMO from watching pro players and playing myself, i think the partnership of any doubles pair(MD, WD, XD) should involve different style player(s), in order for it to work "efficiently". Because doubles is a TEAM event, technically. In other words, usually one partner should be doing the "dirty" work in the back while the other partner should be willing to be the "set up person", playing, controlling the net to set up for his/her partner. Of course temperament, mental, communication and in a way how much self confidence the partners has, are important factors as well..
Regarding the Indo MD pair, Luluk/Alven, after watching some of their games, i just think it's more of their self-confidence and mental approach that has to do with their struggles. For example in the recent WC, i was watching the match between Tony/Howard and saw how both Luluk/Alven for some reason tend to just be passive and defensive, which IMO is a sign of their lack of self-confidence or to a certain extent their mental. Then of course, after committing many self-errors, their mental game and subsequently their emotional game falls apart. That's what i heard also from a few of their teammates while watching their match. About Markis/Hendra, i personally havent' watch them play much, so i can't really comment. Regarding age, IMO, i don't think it has any much effects in doubles. Of course, it's not a bad idea to keep the partners' ages quite close(1-2 yrs.).
Hopefully, if PBSI, decides to keep the pairs as they are, Luluk/Alven can overcome their struggles next year and learn from their "disappointments" this year..Pairing up Alven/Hendra is not bad idea, but what's going to happen to Markis/Luluk?? Are they going to be paired up as partner?? If so, boy, with what Sandy has wrote, that won't look too pleasant.. :p :rolleyes:

[ants]

The performance of the players is really erratic. Mental aspec of their game is still raw. Its really dissapointing at times.

[smashmouth]

I was fortunate to have been able to watch the individual event finals live. Just like most of the people here, I was rooting for Luluk & Alven to win the gold.

I wonder if it's normal for these 2 to 'fall apart' under pressure. Most of the people who watched it in the arena noticed that they seem to be at each others' nerves. When I watched the WC on tv, I noticed the same thing. I guess Sigit & Candra has the edge in terms of the mental aspect of the game.

I hope they work on this, since they already possess skill and athletic ability.

[Loh]

Indonesia had a chance to sweep all golds in the individual events. At least a consolation after losing out in for both men and womens and team events.
No body could expect this kind of results.. even me. Only 2 msians in the finals and suprisingly in womens event.

Yes, one can never be sure. You may win in the Team event, beating the same opponent whom you eventually lost in the Individual event. Just to show that these players are more or less of the same standard and it boils down to the form of the day for them! But your idol and friend, Taufik, did not play in the Individual! Who knows what could have happened if he did ;) ?

[NPBC001]

Some lessons to learned In this SEA Games..
http://sports.sinchew-i.com/content.phtml?sec=3&sdate=&artid=200512050556

(Chinese)

[zia.ufrida]

ooo

would u mind to translete that article plz,..:) I can't read chinese




Some lessons to learned In this SEA Games..
http://sports.sinchew-i.com/content.phtml?sec=3&sdate=&artid=200512050556

(Chinese)

[Loh]

Not to be outdone, Ants and I got into the final act of using our cameras on others mostly during the closing ceremonies, as well as on ourselves.

Here are a few pics mainly on the victorious Thai Women Team and the most notable was the one taken with Thai Princess Sirivannavari Nariratana, an inspiring gold-medal team member who was so happy with the Thai win which came after 20 years.

Ants was all smiles because he had celebrated the Malaysian Men Team victory earlier. Wong Choon Hann was the ace in Malaysia's bag as third singles (in place of the younger Kuan Beng Hong) and he completely shocked and demoralized the less experienced Simon Santoso in the decider. All hell broke loose after that! :D

[Caloy]

day 6 pictures

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0206.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0207.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0208.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0209.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0210.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0211.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0212.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0213.jpg

[Caloy]

More pics...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0214.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0215.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0216.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0217.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0224.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0225.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_0226.jpg

[yannie]

omg... all these pics are great! thanks a lot Loh, Ants and Caloy!!! :D

[Caloy]

Taufik vs. LCW - Indonesia vs. Malaysia tie

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_1268.jpg

[Caloy]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_1261.jpg

Taufik receiving....

[Caloy]

Taufik trick shot...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d183/Armortec700/23rd%20SEA%20GAMES/IMG_1265.jpg

[kemana]

Taufik trick shot...


nice pics , thank you:)