MS (R32 & R16)
- with predictions

Lee CW v M Christensen
Park SH v JO Joergensen
R16: Lee bt Park

NC Kaldau v S Brehaut
Sairul Amar v Aamir Ghaffar
R16: Sairul bt Kaldau (could go either way)

Lee HI v Simon Santoso
Dicky v Yeoh KB
R16: Lee HI bt Dicky

Wong CH v S Pukhov
A Dabeka v K Oedum
R16: Wong CH bt (whoever)

Li Yu v Eric Pang
Shon SM v V Druzchenko
R16: Shon SM bt Li Yu

J Persson v W Przemyslaw
Hafiz v Xia Xuanze (match of the day)
R16: Hafiz bt Persson

J Moody v E Kehlhoffner
Jang Young Soo v Kuan BH (think Kuan will lose to this promising Korean)
R16: Jang YS bt Moody

James Chua v B Milroy
P Gade v A Rasidi
R16: Gade bt James

WS (R16)
predictions

Pi HY bt Sutheaswari M
J Schenk bt Lee Yun Hwa (but Lee can spring surprise)

Zhu Lin bt Fransisca (match of the day)
Seo YH bt J Meulendijks

Wong MC bt Lee Hyun Jin
Mia Audina bt Jang Soo Young

Wang Lin bt Yuan Wemyss
Xu HW bt Hwang Hye Youn

MD (R16)
predictions

Boe/Mogensen bt Wong/Choong (but the Danes need to be careful)
Fairuz/Lin bt Yoo Yeon Seong/Kang Myeong Won (but Koreans unknown quantity)

Guo/Xie bt Jung/Lee (match of the day)
Rasmussen/Steffensen bt Kehlhoffner/Quere

Sang/Zheng bt Tan BS/Ong SH (candidate for match of the day)
Logosz/Mateusiak bt Mawet/Claes

Laybourn/Paaske bt Hwang Ji Man/Han Sang Hoon
Chan/Koo bt Clark/Blair (Malaysians cannot take English lightly)

WD (R16)
predictions

Lee KW/Lee HJ bt Persson/Bergblom
Schjoldager/Andersen bt Runesten-Petersen/Gordon

Augustyn/Kostiuczyk bt Wilson-Smith/Lucas
Zhang Dan/Zhao TT bt Tuwankotta/Harder

Mia/Bruil bt Grether/Schenk (match of the day)
Wong/Chin bt Nozdran/Griga

Chien/Cheng bt Wallwork/Day
Du Jing/Yu Yang bt Ha Jung Eun/Hwang Yu Mi (Koreans knocked out second seeds Emms/Kellogg)

XD (R16)
predictions

Lee JJ/Lee HJ bt Hopp/Overzier
Clark/Kellogg bt Travis/Wilson-Smith

Roebuck/Wallwork bt Bowman/McEwan (both unknown to me, so I go for English pairing)
Blair/Munt bt Druzchenko/Persson (but I think Ukraine/Swede pair will be quite tough)

Zheng Bo/Zhao TT bt Lindley/Rayappan
Shirley/Runesten-Petersen bt Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk

Lee Young Dae/Hwang Yu Mi bt Palethorpe/Nicholas (Koreans beat Koo/Wong)
Robertson/Emms bt Wouters/Van Cutsen

agree except Hafiz bt Xia

agree except Hafiz bt Xia

I admit it's hard to say between the two. But I feel Xia is over the hill. We'll see. It's 50-50 that Hafiz will have an off day anyway.

MS (R32 & R16)
- with predictions

Lee CW v M Christensen
Park SH v JO Joergensen
R16: Lee bt Park

NC Kaldau v S Brehaut
Sairul Amar v Aamir Ghaffar
R16: Sairul bt Kaldau (could go either way)

Lee HI v Simon Santoso
Dicky v Yeoh KB
R16: Lee HI bt Dicky

Wong CH v S Pukhov
A Dabeka v K Oedum
R16: Wong CH bt (whoever)

Li Yu v Eric Pang
Shon SM v V Druzchenko
R16: Shon SM bt Li Yu

J Persson v W Przemyslaw
Hafiz v Xia Xuanze (match of the day)
R16: Hafiz bt Persson

J Moody v E Kehlhoffner
Jang Young Soo v Kuan BH (think Kuan will lose to this promising Korean)
R16: Jang YS bt Moody

James Chua v B Milroy
P Gade v A Rasidi
R16: Gade bt James



Prediction up to Semifinal:

LCW vs Simon
Hafiz vs Gade

Final :
Simon vs Gade

Champion:
SImon

Another silly comment by an under-developed mentality.Prediction up to Semifinal:

LCW vs Simon
Hafiz vs Gade

Final :
Simon vs Gade

Champion:
SImon

Simon the champion? :eek:

I hope so, but I have to be realistic. I don't think he can win against lee hyun ill.


Prediction up to Semifinal:

LCW vs Simon
Hafiz vs Gade

Final :
Simon vs Gade

Champion:
SImon

Another silly comment by an under-developed mentality.
Nothing is impossible...what if it becomes reality...
What is your prediction, anyway

check out the mixed lineup...

there is an english mixed pair in all but two of the fixtures..

truly a beautiful sight :)

well.. in my opinion anyway :D

XD (R16)
predictions

Lee JJ/Lee HJ bt Hopp/Overzier
Clark/Kellogg bt Travis/Wilson-Smith

Roebuck/Wallwork bt Bowman/McEwan (both unknown to me, so I go for English pairing)
Blair/Munt bt Druzchenko/Persson (but I think Ukraine/Swede pair will be quite tough)

Zheng Bo/Zhao TT bt Lindley/Rayappan
Shirley/Runesten-Petersen bt Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk

Lee Young Dae/Hwang Yu Mi bt Palethorpe/Nicholas (Koreans beat Koo/Wong)
Robertson/Emms bt Wouters/Van Cutsen

agree with most of this.
think palethorpe and nicholas could cause problems and Bowman/McEwan could take Roebuck / Wallwork on experience - the english pair is only recently formed, but both individuals are very strong altho Roebuck has struggled with fitness this last 18 months..


Coops

I think the champ would be LCW if he's on top form..or else it's gonna be Gade..

MD (R16)

Chan/Koo bt Clark/Blair (Malaysians cannot take English lightly)

totally agree with this.. prolly the best match of the round.. the english have a combination of youth, experience, speed, power, and a lefty/righty combination too..

hope somebody can get this on video.. would love to see..

speaking of vids - massive congrats to donpedro on the work on the copenhagen masters - got gade vs chunlai final - quality is excellent!!

neway - pls stay on topic everybody :D:rolleyes::cool::D

Another silly comment by an under-developed mentality.

i wouldn't say silly - i would say optimistic :) and i'm sure he/she prefers inexperienced to under-developed..

:p

totally agree with this.. prolly the best match of the round.. the english have a combination of youth, experience, speed, power, and a lefty/righty combination too..

hope somebody can get this on video.. would love to see..

speaking of vids - massive congrats to donpedro on the work on the copenhagen masters - got gade vs chunlai final - quality is excellent!!

neway - pls stay on topic everybody :D:rolleyes::cool::D


hmmm..should be a close match..m'sians also have a combination of youth, experience, speed, power and is also a lefty/righty combination..

Prediction up to Semifinal:

LCW vs Simon
Hafiz vs Gade

Final :
Simon vs Gade

Champion:
SImon
It's good to see, your compatriot can do it! :P

agree with most of this.
think palethorpe and nicholas could cause problems and Bowman/McEwan could take Roebuck / Wallwork on experience - the english pair is only recently formed, but both individuals are very strong altho Roebuck has struggled with fitness this last 18 months..


Coops

congrats to Roebuck and Wallwork for beating Bowman / Mcewan!!!
11:15 15:11 15:9
Nathan / Gail appear to be makign light work of the Dutch pair
Palethorpe and Nicholas pushed the Koreans in the 1st game lost to 13

come on england (why is it that we only seem to be any good at mixed tho??? )

dont kmow coops but england has always been good in doubles as far back as i can remember. Anyway its good to see that England and Denmark can challenge the asians... And if the dutch and germans, specially germans make progresses like they have done the last 5-10 years its a little brighter for te future of european badminton. Looking forward to Park vs Jan even if I know Jan will lose hope he gives Park some trouble

dont kmow coops but england has always been good in doubles as far back as i can remember. Anyway its good to see that England and Denmark can challenge the asians... And if the dutch and germans, specially germans make progresses like they have done the last 5-10 years its a little brighter for te future of european badminton. Looking forward to Park vs Jan even if I know Jan will lose hope he gives Park some trouble


Park already won..15-5, 15-5

XD (R16)
predictions

Lee JJ/Lee HJ bt Hopp/Overzier
Clark/Kellogg bt Travis/Wilson-Smith

Roebuck/Wallwork bt Bowman/McEwan (both unknown to me, so I go for English pairing)
Blair/Munt bt Druzchenko/Persson (but I think Ukraine/Swede pair will be quite tough)

Zheng Bo/Zhao TT bt Lindley/Rayappan
Shirley/Runesten-Petersen bt Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk

Lee Young Dae/Hwang Yu Mi bt Palethorpe/Nicholas (Koreans beat Koo/Wong)
Robertson/Emms bt Wouters/Van Cutsen

I was right in all counts except
Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk bt Shirley/Runesten-Petersen 15-8, 15-7

Dominated by the English. The Koreans will have to beat two English pairs (Clark/Kellogg and prob Blair/Munt) and then probably another English pair (Robertson/Emms) for the title. I think Robertson/Emms are the big favourites for the title.

I was right in all counts except
Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk bt Shirley/Runesten-Petersen 15-8, 15-7

Yet another impressive win for the Poles! :cool:

I was right in all counts except
Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk bt Shirley/Runesten-Petersen 15-8, 15-7

Dominated by the English. The Koreans will have to beat two English pairs (Clark/Kellogg and prob Blair/Munt) and then probably another English pair (Robertson/Emms) for the title. I think Robertson/Emms are the big favourites for the title.

mm.. truly dominated.. i don't think i've ever seen anything like this before, usually there is plenty of chinese, indonesian, thai and danish competition to thin out the english mixed pairs - but not here!

would be nice to see 3 of the 4 semi pairs being english.. blair/munt and nathan and gail should make it through. the test is for clark and kellog again Lee and Lee - but i think this will be a close match.. clark and kellog are an experienced pair and quite capable of causing the koreans real problems..

Coops

Yet another impressive win for the Poles! :cool:

i reckon the the mateusiak/kosticuyk vs bo/tingting will be a three set thriller..

dont forget the pair of zhongbo/Yawen

dont forget the pair of zhongbo/Yawen

they're not at the tournament..

zhongbo is playing in MD - but he and Yawen aren't in the XD - only Zheng Bo and Zhao Ting Ting are there for the chinese..

Coops

MS (R32 & R16)
- with predictions

Lee CW v M Christensen
Park SH v JO Joergensen
R16: Lee bt Park

NC Kaldau v S Brehaut
Sairul Amar v Aamir Ghaffar
R16: Sairul bt Kaldau (could go either way)

Lee HI v Simon Santoso
Dicky v Yeoh KB
R16: Lee HI bt Dicky


Lee CW will meet Park SH in R16.
Sairul will meet Kaldau.

Lee HI and Yeoh KB both won their first games. Now playing second games.

the eric pang/li yu match has been on the board with no live score updates for a long time now..what's wrong..someone's late?

the eric pang/li yu match has been on the board with no live score updates for a long time now..what's wrong..someone's late?

It means it's not started yet. Also look at the time in the second column.

It means it's not started yet. Also look at the time in the second column.


oh well..it's started...eagerly waiting for beng hong and hafiz's matches..m'sia boleh!!!!!!!

The live scoring indicates Joachim Persson is playing against Petr Koukal, whereas the result page says that Petr Koukal lost yesterday against Przemyslaw Wacha 15-12 4-15 15-12. :rolleyes:

Which one is mistaken? did Koukal or Wacha win that match??? :confused:

The live scoring indicates Joachim Persson is playing against Petr Koukal, whereas the result page says that Petr Koukal lost yesterday against Przemyslaw Wacha 15-12 4-15 15-12. :rolleyes:

Which one is mistaken? did Koukal or Wacha win that match??? :confused:

hmm.. ur not the only one who's confused..
i'm trying to figure out who plays who in the quarter finals of the mixed.. looked at the draw and it's completely different to hcyong's post order..

only just discovered that laybourn / rytter-juhl pulled out of the mixed.

on top of that - the draw's haven't been updated with the results - which makes it even harder...

hmmm - come on Swiss open - the site looks great - just make it do all the work for us properly :D

xuanze and hafiz now...c'mon hafiz

It is Przemyslaw Wacha in the end, they have corrected the name on the live scoring!

kamilla Juhl was in a car accident days ago... she will be back at AE

kamilla Juhl was in a car accident days ago... she will be back at AE

:(
Hope she is OK!... :)

It is Przemyslaw Wacha in the end, they have corrected the name on the live scoring!

how weird - i just looked at the results from yesterday again and koukl won....?????!!!

confuzzled completely now...

COops

altho on a refresh they appear to have corrected the result as well..

how completely bizarre..

hafiz and xuanze match must be very exciting..it's so close..they keep catching each other up point by point

:(
Hope she is OK!... :)

definitely share your concern..
hope there's no whiplash or anything..

get well soon kamilla..

Coops

Prediction up to Semifinal:

LCW vs Simon
Hafiz vs Gade

Final :
Simon vs Gade

Champion:
SImon


Simon already lost to Lee HI 9-15, 1-15

Come on, Hafiz, 10-13 to Xia....

Hafiz lost the first game 11-15 :(

xuanze back on top form? hafiz is in trouble...:(

xuanze back on top form? hafiz is in trouble...:(
maybe.......well,today is xia's birthday..

maybe.......well,today is xia's birthday..

really? are u the person that has a crush on xuanze?
i remember a BC member that's crazy bout him....:D

maybe.......well,today is xia's birthday..

I'm sure a victory against Hafiz will please him as a birthday present! ;)

6-3 for XXZ in the second game...

hafiz fighting back...go..c'mon hafiz..take the match..just like last year in the swiss open too..you came back to win your match against gade..
retain your title..

really? are u the person that has a crush on xuanze?
i remember a BC member that's crazy bout him....:D
don't know....there are many BC members crazy bout him, and i'm juz one of them.....:D

c'mon hafiz..almost drawing level...
wow..now hafiz is leading 11-10 after a 9-4 lead by xuanze..
showing signs of making his comeback..swiss open being hafiz's hunting ground maybe...

arghhhhhh....xuanze won 15-13..close match anyway..

15:13 Hafiz lost!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

15:13 Hafiz lost!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


wasted comeback..he led 14-10..but he lost

Kuan Beng Hong is playing now....go!go!go!

Kuan Beng Hong is playing now....go!go!go!

beng hong's match might also be a close affair...and james chua..he used to be a very good player..wonder when he'll be back on form?

Looks like there will be a french player in next round, Erwin Kehlhoffner is leading 15-12 13-7 against John Moody... :eek:

Looks like there will be a french player in next round, Erwin Kehlhoffner is leading 15-12 13-7 against John Moody... :eek:

Rare enough to be pointed out! ;)

well done ze!!!

my streaming video of the event died (at about 15:00).. Anyone else still got video??

/Twobeer

Can anyone update Kuan Beng Hong's match against Jang Yoon Soo?I was watching the live score,which Kuan was leading 15-6 and 14-9 when it just disappeared from the screen.I couldn't inform Kuan's father yet.Hope someone can furnish me the final result.Thank you.

Can anyone update Kuan Beng Hong's match against Jang Yoon Soo?I was watching the live score,which Kuan was leading 15-6 and 14-9 when it just disappeared from the screen.I couldn't inform Kuan's father yet.Hope someone can furnish me the final result.Thank you.

Kuan Beng Hong won 15-6 16-9.
He will be playing against Erwin Kehlhoffner in next round.

Can anyone update Kuan Beng Hong's match against Jang Yoon Soo?I was watching the live score,which Kuan was leading 15-6 and 14-9 when it just disappeared from the screen.I couldn't inform Kuan's father yet.Hope someone can furnish me the final result.Thank you.

http://www.milon.de/sport/turnierspiele.php?TurnierID=2561&STYLE=printer

shows all the results - updated periodically...

Kuan Beng Hong won 15-6 16-9.
He will be playing against Erwin Kehlhoffner in next round.Thanks.It's just fantastic that badminton tournament held in Europe,are always so efficient in releasing the latest result.

http://www.milon.de/sport/turnierspiele.php?TurnierID=2561&STYLE=printer

shows all the results - updated periodically...

There is another page which is updated faster, but I can't post a direct link to it. (direct link doesn't seem to work)

You need to connect on http://www.swissopen.com/english/aktuell/wettkampf.php?showpublic=true
then select "English" and press "Enter"

to get the complete results :
click on "Schedule / Court Allocation / Results"
then click on the first "Search" button

to view the draws :
click on "Order of Play / Draw"
choose the draw you want to view...

disappointed to indonesian performance.... bad start of the year :S hope get better soon....

Kuan Beng Hong won 15-6 16-9.
He will be playing against Erwin Kehlhoffner in next round.

Kuan Beng Hong always gets an easy draw, that's my impression.

When PBSI send Indonesia players to Swiss Open, the PBSI officials open their big mouth that in this tournament our players will do pretty good cause lots of strong players didn’t enter this tournament specially the Chinese.



And when Yao Jie who will meet Fransisca Ratnasari in first round withdrew due injury, another coach said that Fransisca had been real lucky and she will “only” meet Zhu Lin in R16. Fransisca will win cause Zhu Lin isonly a so so player, she said.



But the reality?



None of the 4 player/s we send reach QF.



Anggun/Teti lost to the Chinese pairs in first round in 3 sets.



Firdasari lost to Wong Mew Choo also in first round in 3 sets.



Simon lost very easily to Lee Hyun Il without any fight in second sets with 1-15.:crying:



Fransisca lost with a humiliating score 11-1 11-3.:eek:



Next time, the big mouth officials and coach had to learn how to say modest thing first instead of show off with big words cause we just grab 4 Sea Games gold medal months ago.



Please be realistic. These players that we send still very inconsistent. Sometimes they play real good but most of the time they play a lame game due to lack of mentality.

Realistic, Indonesia can only count on Taufik H, Chandra/Sigit and Nova/Lili to grab a title. And it still not be an easy task for them to won cause so many good players now days.

Just back from a week of holiday in Shanghai.

Again, Team Indonesia's challenge ended in Day 2 when Simon and Nana both lost to superior oppositions. I was a little disappointed with Anggun/Yunita's defeat to Zheng/Zhao. No doubt, in terms of skills, the Chinese have the edge, but, Anggun/Yunita were leading 11-7 in the first set before yielding 8 points and the first set. Firda vs Meow-Choo match is always 50-50 and the Malaysian got her revenge this time.

Next week is equally tough, with possibly only Anggun/Yunita (again seeded 7th) have the chance of going to the quarter-final after a better draw this time round. They should progress there and meet the second-seeded Zhang/Gao. The two women singles have to qualify and from the draw, only Nana has a chance of qualifying. Firda have Judith Meulendijks in her qualifying draw.

As for Simon, he should also progress to the second round (as usual) before meeting a seeded opposition. Thanks to his low ranking, I guess he really has a steep learning curve before he can really be called a world-class player. Beating these seeded players is one step towards achieving the goal.

When PBSI send Indonesia players to Swiss Open, the PBSI officials open their big mouth that in this tournament our players will do pretty good cause lots of strong players didn’t enter this tournament specially the Chinese.



And when Yao Jie who will meet Fransisca Ratnasari in first round withdrew due injury, another coach said that Fransisca had been real lucky and she will “only” meet Zhu Lin in R16. Fransisca will win cause Zhu Lin isonly a so so player, she said.

Please be realistic. These players that we send still very inconsistent. Sometimes they play real good but most of the time they play a lame game due to lack of mentality.

Realistic, Indonesia can only count on Taufik H, Chandra/Sigit and Nova/Lili to grab a title. And it still not be an easy task for them to won cause so many good players now days.

Well, as soon as I look at the draw for the Swiss Open, I know it will be VERY TOUGH for any of the players PBSI sent to reach the quarter-final. As I mentioned, Anggun/Yunita (despite being seeded 7th) has the worst luck of drawing Zheng/Zhao in the first round. This is always a tough match with the Chinese holding a slight edge (remember they beat Nova/Butet in the China Open quarter-final 2 mths ago). I was at an internet cafe in Shanghai when I followed the first set through the online-score and was delighted when the Indo pair took a 11-7 lead in the first set. I thought they would have wrapped up the first set, but, to my horror, they conceded the next 8 points to the Chinese. That's almost as good as yielding the match to them. At the end, they lost in 3 sets.

Simon also lost to Lee Hyun-Il as I predicted while Firda vs Meow-Choo could go either way. It's just too bad Meow-Choo came out stronger this time. As for Nana vs Zhu Lin, it's laughable that those PBSI officials thought Zhu Lin was a "novice". She is way more superior than Nana and if not for Yao Jie withdrawing from the event, both women singles players would lose in the first round.

Regardless of the players' inconsistency, PBSI has to realise that they have to keep sending them to these events, otherwise, their rankings will not improve and they will always have a bad draw.

When PBSI send Indonesia players to Swiss Open, the PBSI officials open their big mouth that in this tournament our players will do pretty good cause lots of strong players didn’t enter this tournament specially the Chinese.
......
Realistic, Indonesia can only count on Taufik H, Chandra/Sigit and Nova/Lili to grab a title. And it still not be an easy task for them to won cause so many good players now days.

I really want to see the match between Taufik and Lin Dan, what is Taufik doing now? Watching the TV? Taufik is really unpredictable!

... what is Taufik doing now? Watching the TV?

Getting married!

Getting married!

Are you kidding?

I thought he's already married a century ago :rolleyes:

wahoo - clark/blair took the first game off Chan/Koo

come on lads - do it for me!!! :D

There is another page which is updated faster, but I can't post a direct link to it. (direct link doesn't seem to work)

You need to connect on http://www.swissopen.com/english/aktuell/wettkampf.php?showpublic=true
then select "English" and press "Enter"

to get the complete results :
click on "Schedule / Court Allocation / Results"
then click on the first "Search" button

to view the draws :
click on "Order of Play / Draw"
choose the draw you want to view...Thanks again.You have been most helpful.

I really want to see the match between Taufik and Lin Dan, what is Taufik doing now? Watching the TV? Taufik is really unpredictable!

Mee to...watching the match Taufik vs Lin Dan is just like watching two champions from different organizations [like in boxing]

Taufik : Defending Champion of the World Championships and Olympics
Lin Dan: Defending Champion of the "invitational" World Cup and IBF- Rank 1.

Other players are contenders....

Those are just lamb excuses-knee/back/whatever injury. He has never compete in china except sudirman cup. He is scared of Peter Gade:D Taufik get up from your comfort zone and show the world you have the capacity and capability to win 7 or 8 GP titles like Roger Federer. Now that he is married AGAIN, he should play more often. His wife needs to eat,know what i mean:rolleyes: His achievement is not even close to Rudy Hartono who's won 7 AE titles. Time is ticking on Taufik. Sure his is still 18 years old:DAre you kidding?

I thought he's already married a century ago :rolleyes:

Those are just lamb excuses-knee/back/whatever injury. He has never compete in china except sudirman cup. He is scared of Peter Gade:D Taufik get up from your comfort zone and show the world you have the capacity and capability to win 7 or 8 GP titles like Roger Federer. Now that he is married AGAIN, he should play more often. His wife needs to eat,know what i mean:rolleyes: His achievement is not even close to Rudy Hartono who's won 7 AE titles. Time is ticking on Taufik. Sure his is still 18 years old:D

I agree with you totally on Taufik but I have to make one minor correction. Rudy Hartono won 8 AE titles not 7 (it was 7 titles in a row). :)

Another silly comment by an under-developed mentality.

A well observed and intelligent analysis of the person.:D

Those are just lamb excuses-knee/back/whatever injury. He has never compete in china except sudirman cup. He is scared of Peter Gade:D Taufik get up from your comfort zone and show the world you have the capacity and capability to win 7 or 8 GP titles like Roger Federer. Now that he is married AGAIN, he should play more often. His wife needs to eat,know what i mean:rolleyes: His achievement is not even close to Rudy Hartono who's won 7 AE titles. Time is ticking on Taufik. Sure his is still 18 years old:D

He..he...he..I guess you are wrong!! Peter has lost to Taufik in the last 4 IMPORTANT events [ Olympics, SIngapore, Japan, and WC] !!!! Hua..ha..ha..ha:D The last macth in which Peter beat Taufik was Copenhagen Master (invitation)..Taufik gave it to Peter so that Peter can be happy in front of his public...He..he...he...:o

You ask Taufik to win 7* tourneys??? Hey...have you been sleeping so far...WC and Olympics are the highest tourneys (7*)....!!! Wake up!!!:D

I agree with you totally on Taufik but I have to make one minor correction. Rudy Hartono won 8 AE titles not 7 (it was 7 titles in a row). :)

Because you live in the past...You cannot accept the fact that Taufik has a great achievement!!!

A well observed and intelligent analysis of the person.:D

I think you are just trying to rub salt into wounds. If you must "fight", fight fair instead of leaning on others for support.

A well observed and intelligent analysis of the person.:D
Poor you are!! How come you make such an "uneducated" remark, just because my opinion is different from yours, while this forum is just for fun and sharing information...anyway that reflects who you actually are.

Poor you are!! How come you make such an "uneducated" remark, just because my opinion is different from yours, while this forum is just for fun and sharing information...anyway that reflects who you actually are.

Well. Indra, I agree with you this time that We don't have to judge anyone with such remark, But I hope between this forum we don't Fight each other in such situation you know what I mean (not rude), Nobody's perfect in this world, I wish Sabathiel, Melinda could understand what I mean.
I know everyone have their idol players just like me , I Like Cai Yun ,Yang yang in the past (but I never judge The player that hate ), jus talking about their performance on the match ,it's just real what their good or not in different match, although sometimes we didn't like their attitude,out of match but still they Human just like Us......:D

Another silly comment by an under-developed mentality.

I think this comment was unnecessarily rude and disrespectful.
Just respect other's opinions please! :rolleyes:

Because you live in the past...You cannot accept the fact that Taufik has a great achievement!!!

Great achievement, I can agree with.
The greatest so far, this I strongly disagree.

I don't live in the past but the greatest so far comes from the past.
Are you saying if I say Muhammad Ali is greater than Evander Holyfield I am living in the past?:D

I think you are just trying to rub salt into wounds. If you must "fight", fight fair instead of leaning on others for support.

Don't be so cynical the icon at the end of my remark indictates the humourous intention of the remark plus it is hard not to greet someone who shares the same opinion as you do. Nobody is fighting here. Loosen up man!:)

Poor you are!! How come you make such an "uneducated" remark, just because my opinion is different from yours, while this forum is just for fun and sharing information...anyway that reflects who you actually are.

"Uneducated remark"?:confused:

I am happy with who I am and I am also happy knowing what you are really like from this thread as well as the Taufik thread that got closed. Now I know that you have a propensity to make silly comments. :D

This forum is just as much for people who wants to have fun as much as it is for people who want serious and intelligent discussion. :)

I think this thread is starting to be too personal. We want to stay to be kept informed on the complete results of the Swiss Open. We don't want to risk shutting down this thread.

I think this thread is starting to be too personal. We want to stay to be kept informed on the complete results of the Swiss Open. We don't want to risk shutting down this thread.

Luckily, you will find today's results in a new thread : http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29337

;)

Great achievement, I can agree with.
The greatest so far, this I strongly disagree.

I don't live in the past but the greatest so far comes from the past.
Are you saying if I say Muhammad Ali is greater than Evander Holyfield I am living in the past?:D

Tha't OK if you think Taufik is not the greatest. Your opinion will not change the fact that Taufik has won two greatest titles at the same time. Isn't it great?
:D

I think this thread is starting to be too personal. We want to stay to be kept informed on the complete results of the Swiss Open. We don't want to risk shutting down this thread.

Here is the chronology:
I made a prediction, stating that SImon would come out as winner.

Then Melinda commented by making "uneducated" remarks.

I did not respond as it was unnecessary and wanted to avoid unnecessary, silly and childish debate.

Sabathiel responded Melinda's "uneducated" remark, trying to provoke.

Then...I expressed my concerns...

So, Melinda and Sabathiel are the ones who try to screw up.

I agree to with u too... Yap is correct that he hold the crown for Olimpic & Word Champianship although he seldom shown up with good result on many Badminton Open tourament compare Lin Dan. What i can said that, Taufik is LUCKY only and his performance is so so only. Why am i said so, u c sport is a thing that full of interesting. Of couse beside skill and etc... a good Form contribute all these. If u are in top FORM u can beat anyone. There is real story happen in China with a person named "Ho Song", he kill a tiger in a mountain because being chase by the tiger. And his name is famous until now.
I certainly does not think that he can do it all the time or even for the second time.That is why in sport, we still need to play a match although we know that that player ranking is lower then his oponent. If not, on paper we can said that this match does not need to play any more, becaue by teory World no 1 of couse is better than World no2. U get what i mean here?
So i will said Taufik is LUCKY because during those major tourament he is in GOOD FORM and win Olimpic & World Championship that is why u seldom see Taufik win on most badminton Open just like Lin Dan do.
To me the man of the badminton at the moment is Lin Dan, he have a stable Form and skill. And that is why he can win MOST of the tourament that he participate in. He win almost 70% of the tourament that he participate in. And he is so unluckly not able to maintain it on Olimpic & World Champiaonship. Can Taufik do that huh?? When he lost in some badminton open, he just said i not really focus on any tourament beside those big 1. What said u, if so then pls don't participate because u are so funny and wasting your own time..

Any1 agree with me.. pls put a thumb UP !!!

Those are just lamb excuses-knee/back/whatever injury. He has never compete in china except sudirman cup. He is scared of Peter Gade:D Taufik get up from your comfort zone and show the world you have the capacity and capability to win 7 or 8 GP titles like Roger Federer. Now that he is married AGAIN, he should play more often. His wife needs to eat,know what i mean:rolleyes: His achievement is not even close to Rudy Hartono who's won 7 AE titles. Time is ticking on Taufik. Sure his is still 18 years old:D

Can't a man (Taufik) get married in peace? :p :D

so funny, "Swiss Open 2006 (Thursday)" thread becomes Taufik's discussion :D.

Yes, there are already multiple threads about Taufik and Taufik vs Lin Dan where you can discuss this topic.

Just one thing : no, winning big events is NOT just a question of luck!
(and Lin Dan losing to Susilo in first round is NOT just a question of bad luck :rolleyes: )

So! What news of the Swiss Open? :-)
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So! What news of the Swiss Open? :-)
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Today's matches haven't yet started, but hcyong has created a new thread for today : http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29337

Just one thing : no, winning big events is NOT just a question of luck!
(and Lin Dan losing to Susilo in first round is NOT just a question of bad luck :rolleyes: )

well he was unlucky in drawing susilo, probably the most dangerous unseeded player for his first round:P

but then again....its his fault he lost:rolleyes: (and susilo played well:D)
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um back to swiss open....lots of interesting sounding matches....hope we can get vids of these:)

Tha't OK if you think Taufik is not the greatest. Your opinion will not change the fact that Taufik has won two greatest titles at the same time. Isn't it great?
:D

Not at the same time! 2004 and 2005 don't qualify as "at the same time"!:D

while i may not be the moderator i'm sure everybody else will agree that talkign out of topic is very rude and akin to barging into a room shouting about something completely different.

The topic title is Swiss Open (Thursday)

since neither Taufik or Lin Dan entered the swiss open let alone played yesterday i am fairly certain that all the people talking about them in this thread are very rude people.

cease and desist!!!

My apologies to everybody else but i'm rather fed up of seeing people arguing about these two in every thread at every opportunity..

Thank you

Coops

I agree to with u too... Yap is correct that he hold the crown for Olimpic & Word Champianship although he seldom shown up with good result on many Badminton Open tourament compare Lin Dan. What i can said that, Taufik is LUCKY only and his performance is so so only. Why am i said so, u c sport is a thing that full of interesting. Of couse beside skill and etc... a good Form contribute all these. If u are in top FORM u can beat anyone. There is real story happen in China with a person named "Ho Song", he kill a tiger in a mountain because being chase by the tiger. And his name is famous until now.
I certainly does not think that he can do it all the time or even for the second time.That is why in sport, we still need to play a match although we know that that player ranking is lower then his oponent. If not, on paper we can said that this match does not need to play any more, becaue by teory World no 1 of couse is better than World no2. U get what i mean here?
So i will said Taufik is LUCKY because during those major tourament he is in GOOD FORM and win Olimpic & World Championship that is why u seldom see Taufik win on most badminton Open just like Lin Dan do.
To me the man of the badminton at the moment is Lin Dan, he have a stable Form and skill. And that is why he can win MOST of the tourament that he participate in. He win almost 70% of the tourament that he participate in. And he is so unluckly not able to maintain it on Olimpic & World Champiaonship. Can Taufik do that huh?? When he lost in some badminton open, he just said i not really focus on any tourament beside those big 1. What said u, if so then pls don't participate because u are so funny and wasting your own time..

Any1 agree with me.. pls put a thumb UP !!!

I agree I think it is extremely arrogant of Taufik to say that he loses because he only concentrates on big tournaments. Why not admit your opponent was better than you on the day. If big tournaments is what he is after then why not skip the smaller tournaments all together and play in the big ones only. The fact that Taufik hasn't won an All England title yet and desperately wants to win that tournament shows that he doesn't do well at all big tournaments(AE is considered big as proven by Taufik's determination to win this title). I think Taufik is a sore loser.:rolleyes:

I also think in badminton all things being equal (eg talent, skills, fitness etc) there is a 5-10% luck element in winning titles. The luck being for example other top players injured, tough/easy draw, your opponent had a tough 3 set marathon in the semifinal or previous rounds and you had an easy semifinal or previous rounds, top players not participating or sent by their countries, etc. All this will have an impact on the chances of you winning the title.:D

i don't think taufik is arrogant at all

you see,

aiming for something big doesn't mean a person is being arrogant

in badminton, a lot of time mental strength counts a lot (if you don't know this then you better learn more about badminton). i would say some players who aim big, like taufik who aims important tournaments and lin dan who aims win every tournaments he enters, are good players not only in term of skills but also in terms of mental.

one probably can easily forget bout the news that peter gade is working together with a top err what is that called, top sport psychologist? to try improve his game..

in pro players game, sometimes mental and motivation is the one that counts a lot

and even more times, skills would come easily when the mental and motivation sets in. if you have any doubt about this

it's easy

just watch any compatriot match (malaysia vs malaysia or china vs china) and you'll see what i mean

in these games, players play much more confident coz they play each other so many times already and feel comfortable playing

which is what

mental dude

similar to boxing during mike tyson holyfield era

when a day before match, they both would release "mental ammunition" to the press

saying i would k.o. him in first round or something like i won't make him get through second round..

it's all mental dude, nothing wrong with that

and if you think a player is being arrogant coz he playing mental game, then i think it's you that's seriously sick mentally or more precisely, failed to see the simple truth

don't confuse fact with assumption please

they are 2 different things