Swiss Open 2006 QFs (Friday)

[hcyong]

Predictions

MS
Lee CW bt Kaldau (clear favourite)
Lee HI bt Wong CH (WCH has more than a fighting chance)
Xia XZ bt Shon SM (Shon struggled against Druzchenko)
Gade bt Kuan BH (clear favourite)

WS
Pi HY bt Schenk (clear favourite)
Zhu Lin bt Seo YH
Mia bt Lee Hyun Jin (clear favourite)
Xu HW bt Wang Lin (not so sure, Xu struggled yesterday)

MD
Boe/Mogensen bt Fairuz/Lin
Jung JS/Lee YD bt Rasmussen/Steffensen (both are new pairings, but I favour the Koreans slightly)
Sang/Zheng bt Logosz/Mateusiak
Laybourn/Paaske bt Chan/Koo (hard to tell, but I hope to be wrong)

WD
Lee KW/Lee HJ bt Schjoldager/Andersen (clear favourite)
Zhang Dan/Zhao TT bt Augustyn/Kostiuczyk (clear favourite)
Mia/Bruil bt Wong/Chin (in normal circumstances, I think the Dutch are supposed to be superior anyway, but at current situation, hard to tell, I hope I am wrong for this time)
Du/Yu bt Chien/Cheng

XD
Lee JJ/Lee HJ bt Clark/Kellogg (but may not be easy especially as the Koreans have another match to play)
Blair/Munt bt Roebuck/Wallwork (clear favourite)
Zheng Bo/Zhao TT bt Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk (clear favourite)
Robertson/Emms bt Lee Young Dae/Hwang Yu Mi (clear favourite)

[badMania]

MS
Lee Chong Wei bt Niels Christian Kaldau
Lee Hyun Il bt Wong Choong Hann
Shon Seung Mo bt Xia Xuanze (match of the day)
Peter Gade bt Kuan Beng Hong

WS
Pi Hongyan bt Juliane Schenk
Seo Yoon Hee bt Zhu Lin (match of the day)
Mia Audina bt Lee Hyun Jin
Xu Huaiwen bt Wang Lin

MD
Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen bt Mohd Fairuzuzian Mohd Tazari/Lin Woon Fui (match of the day)
Jonas Rasmussen/Peter Steffensen bt Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae
Sang Yang/Zheng Bo bt Michael Logosz/Robert Mateusiak
Chan Chong Ming/Koo Kien Keat bt Thomas Laybourn/Lars Paaske

WD
Lee Kyung Won/Lee Hyo Jung bt Mette Schjoldager/Britta Andersen
Zhang Dan/Zhao Tingting bt Kamila Augustyn/Nadiedza Kostiuczyk
Wong Pei Tty/Chin Ee Hui bt Mia Audina/Lotte Bruil-Jonathans bt
Du Jing/Yu Yang bt Chien Yu-Chin/Cheng Wen-Hsing (match of the day)

XD
Lee Jae Jin/Lee Hyo Jung bt Anthony Clark/Donna Kellogg (match of the day)
Robert Blair/Natalie Munt bt Kristian Roebuck/Jenny Wallwork
Zheng Bo/Zhao Tingting bt Robert Mateusiak/Nadiedza Kostiuczyk
Nathan Robertson/Gail Emms bt Lee Young Dae/Hwang Yu Mi

[**KZ**]

hey...does anyone of you knows why is the score of yesterdays late night matches not updated yet?

[coops241180]

Predictions

XD
Lee JJ/Lee HJ bt Clark/Kellogg (but may not be easy especially as the Koreans have another match to play)
Blair/Munt bt Roebuck/Wallwork (clear favourite)
Zheng Bo/Zhao TT bt Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk (clear favourite)
Robertson/Emms bt Lee Young Dae/Hwang Yu Mi (clear favourite)

hmm.. think the Zheng Bo/Zhao TT vs Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk will be quite close.. the poles are dangerous...

bit of a drag that there aren't any matches on during the day today - nothing ot distract me from work :)

[seven]

hmm.. think the Zheng Bo/Zhao TT vs Mateusiak/Kostiuczyk will be quite close.. the poles are dangerous...

Agree here !!! The Poles are very good!

[yuval_ba]

Agree here !!! The Poles are very good!
ye, I like this Polish pair, I watched thier match against Gao/Xie in ChinaMasters and they were impressive even though they lost
hope they can advance

[hcyong]

ye, I like this Polish pair, I watched thier match against Gao/Xie in ChinaMasters and they were impressive even though they lost
hope they can advance

That explains it then. I haven't seen them play before, while some of you guys have. This is the first time I take notice of a Polish XD pairing.

[**KZ**]

wow...french player gave beng hong some trouble before losing..
badminton is really catching up in europe..

[coops241180]

That explains it then. I haven't seen them play before, while some of you guys have. This is the first time I take notice of a Polish XD pairing.

aye - mateusiak is an experienced, strong and talented player, he and logosz are a strong MD pair also.. their match against Sang Yang and Zheng Bo should be quite interesting too.. Mateusiak and Bo will be sick of the sight of each other by the end of the day :)

hehe - and it seems the same goes for TingTing and Kosticyzk.

what a fluke that is - for all four players in a XD game to end up against each other in the level double.. bizarre! :D

Coops

[**KZ**]

what's the difference between swiss time n m'sian time?

[seven]

That explains it then. I haven't seen them play before, while some of you guys have. This is the first time I take notice of a Polish XD pairing.

They have only been playing mixed doubles for one year and have already been very impressive.
Mateusiak is a top MD player with Logosz (currently world numer 10) and Kostiuczyk is a top WD player with Kamila Augustyn (currently world number 19 but worth better) and a quite decent WS player (used to be in top 50).

[seven]

wow...french player gave beng hong some trouble before losing..
badminton is really catching up in europe..

Yes, Kehlhoffner played great from what I heard, leading 14-13 in the second game. He is a young upcoming player...

[Dzgdz]

They are a really strong pair, capable to trouble the best pairs in the world.

They started playing together after the OG'2004. Their ranking is raising now and they should enter top 10 soon. I expect them to win a medal during the European Championships in few months.

Robert Mateusiak is very fast, talented and creative player. His accuracy and net play is really outstanding. Robert is very experienced - he is in the WGP tournaments for years. He also plays in the German league.

Nadieżda Kostiuczik is originally from Belarus. She is playing in Poland for many years. She is very consistent and reliable player and she has great defensive skills and vision of the court.

If they are able to pass the Chinese pair, it would be really great.

Regards,

dzgdz

[**KZ**]

Yes, Kehlhoffner played great from what I heard, leading 14-13 in the second game. He is a young upcoming player...


how old is he anyway?

[seven]

how old is he anyway?

He is 22 (relatively young in a European's career), born on 06/12/1983.

[**KZ**]

matches has started already..
chong wei almost running away the 1st game against kaldau..
polish MX pair performing quite well too..

2nd game kaldau leading 3-1
polish pair n chinese pair 10-11

[seven]

Laybourn and Paaske are marked as W.O. ?? :confused:

About the Poles, well that confirms what we were saying before! :)

[**KZ**]

poles draw level.12-12
LCW catching up 3-4

[**KZ**]

now LCW leading 5-4
MX match stil at 12-12

LCW leading 7-4..he's on fire
poles leading 13-12..close match

LCW 10-7
CHN pair 17-14...takes 1st game

[seven]

Close first game, Poles lost 17-14 after leading 14-13 ......

[**KZ**]

LCW won 15-3, 15-11..on to the semis..
hopw polish pair can win the 2nd game..
chinese are leading 6-0 in 2nd

[seven]

7-3 now for Zheng/Zhao, the Poles seem to have had a bad start in this game after losing the first game so closely...

[seven]

10-3 now, looks like Zheng/Zhao are going to wrap it up...

[coops241180]

10-3 now, looks like Zheng/Zhao are going to wrap it up...

yeah - they took quite a hit losing from 14-13 up after a hard fought game, Bo/TT will have been fired up and come out like a train.. looking bad for the poles now..

Coops

[seven]

Match is already over, the Poles seem to have collapsed in the second game.
Too bad they couldn't finish the first game, the rest of the match would have been different if so...

[Dzgdz]

I was afraid of this when they lost first game 14-17.

It is difficult to catch up after loosing a game with such a small margin.

I think this is mainly due to mental strength.

It is also possible that Chinese improved their game after the close first game.

Anyway, it was a good achievement of the Polish MX pair.

Let's see what will happen in Germany and England (where I am going to watch them personally!!)

regards

dzgdz

[seven]

Let's see what will happen in Germany and England (where I am going to watch them personally!!)

Cool :cool:
Hope you get time to give us some reports! :)

[abedeng]

WongCH beats Lee Hyun Il 15-12, 15-7 :D

[madbad]

Is Live Scoring down? Can't seem to get any. Updates anyone?

[coops241180]

seems to be working okay now.. guess it might have been a quiet patch between matches...

altho it looks like it's a bit quiet now.. they've probably reduced to using only two courts in order to give some of the players enough time to recover between matches..

Coops

[Eurasian =--(O)]

did xia win??!!

[coops241180]

they haven't played any mens singles yet..

just starting now by the looks of live scoring..

[madbad]

Finally got some updates on the Swiss Open website

MS winners - LCW, WCH
MD winners - KKK/CCM, Boe/Mogensen
WS winners - Mia, Zhu
WD winners - Lee/Lee, Du/Yu
XD winners - Zheng/Zhao, Robertson, Emms

Second batch of matces yet to be played

[ploppers]

xia took 1st game 15:3 :D:D

[ploppers]

Xia wins 15:3 15:5 :D:D

[2cents]

It will be so excited that if Wong and Xia meet in the final. :D

THAT'S SOMETHING CALLED CLASSIC!!!

Go Wong!!!
Go Xia!!!

[ploppers]

well...xia will have to hurdle oer Gade to do that and WCH has LCW in his way :(

[kwun]

It will be so excited that if Wong and Xia meet in the final. :D

THAT'S SOMETHING CALLED CLASSIC!!!

Go Wong!!!
Go Xia!!!

totally, cannot agree more!

Wong have yet another chance to avenge his 8-0 record when playing against Xia.

GO XIA!

[Wai Shing]

Totally agree with 2cents...Xia vs Wong final would be awesome!!
It would be their 9th encounter, and Xia has always prevailed. Last time they met, it was the final of WC03.

[Wai Shing]

what the heck, kwun and i almost posted the same message at same time hahaha

[Morten]

seens Xia is in very good form dispite an awful last year. Good for him and good for badminton as Xia is one of the old guys and plays a more tricky and crowd friendly game than players like Lin Dan, Chen Jin, LCW etc. I doubt WCH can defeat LCW since LCW seems fitter than Wong. Wong has lost a little speed the last 2 years and are also less powerful than before. In contrast Gade has been very fit since Malaysia Open and has almost played up to his "old" standard even if he has passed 29. Lets hope this is Xia tournament, but I think he will have a hard time against gade if Gade makes it through.

[coops241180]

seens Xia is in very good form dispite an awful last year. Good for him and good for badminton as Xia is one of the old guys and plays a more tricky and crowd friendly game than players like Lin Dan, Chen Jin, LCW etc. I doubt WCH can defeat LCW since LCW seems fitter than Wong. Wong has lost a little speed the last 2 years and are also less powerful than before. In contrast Gade has been very fit since Malaysia Open and has almost played up to his "old" standard even if he has passed 29. Lets hope this is Xia tournament, but I think he will have a hard time against gade if Gade makes it through.

hmm - xia vs gade is a bit of a classic too.. to of the older generation (well - compared with the like of LCW and Chen Jin and the likes..)

WCH vs LCW is sorta like when i sawy Yap Kim Hock vs WCH - but now WCH is the elder.. and i imagine the result might go the same way, with the apprenctice usurping the master...

some good semi finals to come :)

Coops

[Eurasian =--(O)]

Amazing! WCH and XXZ!!!! Two of my favorite players all time! I thought for sure Xia was done after his performance the year before. If he regains form China has Chen Jin, Chen Hong, Lin Dan, Bao Chunali, Xia Xuanze.... talk about dominance. Only Taufik, LCW and Gade could stand up to them... maybe:eek:

[coops241180]

wow - close mixed game - 1 game all between Lee/Lee and Clark/Kellog..

english pair took the 2nd game 17-16 after losing the first 15-10..

decider should start soon...

the all english quarter should start soon too..

Coops

[coops241180]

soooooo close...

english went 7-2 up, only for lee/lee to come back to 8-8, 12-12 now tho... anybody's game...

come on england!!

make it 3 out of four pairs in the semi..

the all english semi is weird..
15:0 to blair/munt in the first game.. but 11:4 to roebuck/wallwork in the second at the mo.

[coops241180]

clark/kellog go 12-14 behind, but go 16-14 up when they get the serve back, but give the serve back to the koreans.... aaaaaargh!!! sooo close!!!

Coops

[coops241180]

the koreans get a point back on their serve , but give the serve back to clark/kellog who take the match at the second asking..

what a horribly close match...

would love to get the vid..

3 english pairs in the semis with Bo/TingTing holding the fort for the rest of the world :D

in the other mixed game blair/munt have come back from 4-11 down to 14-11 up...

quite an impressive comeback - but not really since they won the first game 15-0 and should be capable of cutting out the mistakes...

Coops

[madbad]

Hey Coops, do you have any scores from the evening matches?

[cooler]

Amazing! WCH and XXZ!!!! Two of my favorite players all time! I thought for sure Xia was done after his performance the year before. If he regains form China has Chen Jin, Chen Hong, Lin Dan, Bao Chunali, Xia Xuanze.... talk about dominance. Only Taufik, LCW and Gade could stand up to them... maybe:eek:

then wch vs xzx match (i forgot which year) is a must watch. It was brutal.
Btw, xzx had beaten taufik in 1999 or 2000 all england.

[bzhang1108]

This will be a great game, hopefully, with Xia seems to be back on the top form.
I Watched serveral Gade's games at 05 Copenhegen's Masters which was just 2 weeks ago. Gade is definitly on the top form. Very, very sharp at net, powful smashes. Will be very hard to beat. I am really kind of concerned for Xia. Even if Xia is really back on top form, he still not be able to beat today's Gade. But still, Xia is already very impressive in this tournament considering his performace in last couple of years. I just hope that he can keep his form for longer time so that he can show us some more wonderful games!

[coops241180]

maybe this is better...

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[coops241180]

sorry for the hideously formatted post - had to take the swissopen results page and butcher it..

hence the hideous results..

hope this is enough :)

Coops

[madbad]

sorry for the hideously formatted post - had to take the swissopen results page and butcher it..

hence the hideous results..

hope this is enough :)

Coops

Thank you! But what was the KBH v Gade score?

[Morten]

KBH got around 6 and 4. KBH is a good player but I think his world ranking is a little overrated, the same with Kaldau

[hcpoirot]

KBH got around 6 and 4. KBH is a good player but I think his world ranking is a little overrated, the same with Kaldau

Agree with you.

IBF must change the scoring system. Usually if a player consistently reach QF of lots of tournaments, he/she will make it to top 10.

Lets see some example:

a 5 star tournament: If you win you got 4800 point. If you make it to QF you got 2640 point. or 52,8 % from champion point. It mean that being 2 QF in 5 star tournament the scoring is better than being a 5 star champion.

But lets see tennis scoring. A Wimbledon champion will get 200 point. A QF in Wimbledon will get only 50 point. Or 25 % from the champion point.

Another example:

A 5 star badminton champion get 4800 point. A 2 star badmintonchampion get 3000 point. Or 62,5 % from 5 star champ.

At tennis, Wimbledon got 200 point. And 2 or 3 star tournament champion only got 50 point. Or only 25% of Grandslam champion.


So usually no wonder in badminton, a mediocre player can get into Top 20 or even top 10 if he/she enter 10 or more event in a year. And skillful player like Taufik not even in Top 10 cause although his result not bad in every event he enter but he only enter 6-8 event a year.

Or Yang Wei/Zhang Jie Wen only rank 3 in the world cause they only enter 9 event last year. Although they won most of this events or at least runner up. The Koreans girls rank 2 just because they enter 10 event last year although they mostly only each SF.

[s1nn3r]

The way I see IBF is doing stuff is that, they try to make every player play more tournament in order to be world no.1 :rolleyes:

[hcyong]

Sorry, here I go again defending the IBF ranking system.


IBF must change the scoring system. Usually if a player consistently reach QF of lots of tournaments, he/she will make it to top 10.


If you are consistently in the top 8 in lots of tournaments, shouldn't that make you a top 8 (or at least top 10) player in the world?



a 5 star tournament: If you win you got 4800 point. If you make it to QF you got 2640 point. or 52,8 % from champion point. It mean that being 2 QF in 5 star tournament the scoring is better than being a 5 star champion.

But lets see tennis scoring. A Wimbledon champion will get 200 point. A QF in Wimbledon will get only 50 point. Or 25 % from the champion point.


This is subjective, isn't it? Another person could also argue that tennis gives too much credit to the winner in comparison to the quarterfinalists. As for me, I think that a quarterfinalist deserves something more significant than 25% of the winner. A quarterfinalist could be a winner given different circumstances, even in Wimbledon.



A 5 star badminton champion get 4800 point. A 2 star badmintonchampion get 3000 point. Or 62,5 % from 5 star champ.

At tennis, Wimbledon got 200 point. And 2 or 3 star tournament champion only got 50 point. Or only 25% of Grandslam champion.


I agree somewhat with this point. (However, how can you co-relate Wimbledon with a 5-star event? You should compare with a 7-star event.) I think the ranking points should be widened a bit more, but again this is subjective, and I can easily live with the current distribution.



So usually no wonder in badminton, a mediocre player can get into Top 20 or even top 10 if he/she enter 10 or more event in a year. And skillful player like Taufik not even in Top 10 cause although his result not bad in every event he enter but he only enter 6-8 event a year.

Or Yang Wei/Zhang Jie Wen only rank 3 in the world cause they only enter 9 event last year. Although they won most of this events or at least runner up. The Koreans girls rank 2 just because they enter 10 event last year although they mostly only each SF.

Is it too much to enter 10 tournaments a year? If there is no penalty for taking part in a minimum amount of tournaments, will the fans be happy? Here we are lamenting that this player and that player are not in the tournament, and that this tournament is skipped by the Chinese and Indonesians, and yet we complain about a ranking rule which encourage players to enter more than 9 tournaments a year.

No doubt Taufik is skillful, and if there is a ranking based on skill, he will comfortably sit near the top, if not the top. But this is a ranking about results, and if you play in only 6 tournaments (inconsistently if I may add) a year, then you have not shown enough results and should be penalised. If your exam consists of 10 papers and you only turn up for 6, you get 0 for the other 4. Almost everyone considers Taufik as a great player, and in every tournament he enters, he is considered one of the strong favourites, but in terms of ranking, I have to agree with the IBF ranking system.

For Yang/Zhang's case, it turns out that their competition is stiff. So, even getting penalised for just 1 event, they lost out to Gao/Huang and Lee/Lee. It's a akin to missing one paper in the exam. Even a genius would lose out overall for missing that one paper if there are other almost-geniuses around.

Oh, and while we are comparing it to tennis, the ATP also penalises players for not taking part in enough tournaments (all 4 Grand Slams, all 9 Masters events, 1 Masters Cup and 5 other tournaments). And in WTA, the tournaments that count to ranking is capped to 17 (and all Grand Slam events are mandatory). It seems 10 events (as in badminton) is nothing. We also see "mediocre" players in the top 20 in many sports, not just badminton.

[coops241180]

We also see "mediocre" players in the top 20 in many sports, not just badminton.


yeah - look at tim henman for instance :D

Coops

[seven]

So usually no wonder in badminton, a mediocre player can get into Top 20 or even top 10 if he/she enter 10 or more event in a year. And skillful player like Taufik not even in Top 10 cause although his result not bad in every event he enter but he only enter 6-8 event a year.

Or Yang Wei/Zhang Jie Wen only rank 3 in the world cause they only enter 9 event last year. Although they won most of this events or at least runner up. The Koreans girls rank 2 just because they enter 10 event last year although they mostly only each SF.

I agree with you on the points distribution part.
However I don't think the 10 minimum events is exagerated. Any player can enter 10 events in the year.
If you compare with tennis, tennis players spend the whole year playing tournaments. They easily enter at least 20 or 30 tournaments a year. (OK this is because they get a lot of money for each ;) )

You should think of one thing : what is IBF's best way of promoting the game? Champions staying home all year and only entering a few tournaments? Or champions entering many tournaments taking place in many different countries?
This explains why the ranking system is this way, as regards the minimum of 10 tournaments.